New York Giants Notes: 'Prove it' Deal For Andrews
by Ed Valentine on Aug 21, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintMike Garafolo has chased down the details of Shawn Andrews' deal with the New York Giants. It is a six-year deal with the potential for Andrews to earn $32.5 million. Only a small portion of that will come this season.
From an earlier report by Garafolo.
"It can be classified as a ‘prove it' type of deal," Moran said as the flight attendants were walking through the cabin. "It protects the club initially and, as he's productive, it works to both parties' benefit."
Moran said "there's a significant commitment by the club longer-term in the second year of the deal." Though he wouldn't be specific about any of the contract's financial details, he did say part of the "significant commitment" was a roster bonus due at some point next year.
"They'll have time to see how his back is doing," Moran said, "and how he's doing."
You have to like this kind of deal for Andrews, whose motivation has been questioned.
For his part, Andrews sounds like a guy ready to give what really amounts to a comeback for him everything he has.
"I've been working hard. I've been going hard -- not that I've never worked hard in my life, but I said this is my last attempt at it and I'm going to go just all out. I'm selling out right now," Andrews said Friday. "My head is in the game. It's always been in the game. I just had some setbacks there, and it was untimely and I heard every excuse for myself why the things happened back in 2008 that happened. We all go through things, and a lot of people I learned that point the finger and are probably going through a lot of things themselves and it just makes them feel stronger to point the finger at someone else. So I know that the God that I serve is a forgiving God, and he's a God of second chances so why not give a guy a second chance who's passionate about what he does."
Coach Tom Coughlin said the Giants did not sign Andrews on a whim -- they put a lot of work into deciding whether or not to do this.
"You've got to give the personnel people some credit. They've been tracking the guy. You know he's in excellent shape, starting to work out, very motivated," Coughlin said. "he's been here for a couple of days and he's had interviews with basically everybody. He's been to dinner with our personnel people - Jerry Reese. So people have spent a lot of time with him. I spent a good half hour with him yesterday. The quality of the football player that I remember from a couple of years ago is outstanding. Knowing that he went through some issues - he had the back and some other issues that he had to deal with. But, sensing now that he really is motivated and that he really wants to play. He's just a pleasant young man to visit with. He does indicate to you the kind of desire that he has to get back in the game."
Coughlin gave no indication how the Giants plan to use Andrews. ESPN's Matt Mosley offered up the opinion Friday that this is not a quick fix for the Giants. Rather, that the 27-year-old two-time Pro Bowler is more of a long-term project.
In a way, that makes sense. It is looking more and more like David Diehl will end up at left guard this season, but that might not be where the Giants want him to play long-term.
Other Notes
- Jim Sorgi says his shoulder injury is worse than he originally thought. Better root for Rhett Bomar to play well the next few weeks.
- Linebacker Michael Boley is his own toughest critic.
- Check SB Nation New York for more about tonight's Giants-Steelers preseason game.
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I guess time will tell
and the move seems to be a bit more high risk then I would’ve figured.
I guess the best thing about this is its scaring the bejesus out of Eagles fans. Can’t we all tell? All these guys want to do is tell us how washed up he is, how much of a waste of time and bad idea this is for the Giants.
…lol. I have absolutely no expectations for Andrews, but I know damn well that this gigantic mountain of fat was an immovable force when the Giants played the Eggs.
Maybe he’s a RT replacement for McKenzie? Maybe the Giants don’t like Beatty’s progress (waaaaay too soon for that to even be close to a possibility) and want Diehl at LT with Andrews at LG (or the other way around??).
The one and only thing this shows me is that they indeed are sure about getting back to that power run game. Jacobs isn’t playing much now cuz they want him ready for the games that count. Andrews is the biggest OL on the team basically, so that’s a big earthmover to throw in front of Jake.
I really hope to see Andrews mauling Brod. Bunkley and hearing these Eggs fans cry in their cheesesteak.
If I'm reading this right, doesn't seem too high risk
Sounds like it’s essentially a 1-year vet min contract if he regresses, and if he plays up to his potential… $6mill a year…
Ok, nvm, that’s a pretty huge commitment. That’s Diehl’s contract, except that Dave’s a (consistently sane) starting caliber left tackle. That $30mill better be all performance-based.
i’m very excited to see sum power football again. can’t wait to see sum people get Laron Landry’d….P-P-P-P-P-P-POWER!
A thousand lips. A thousand tongues. A thousand throats. A thousand lungs. A thousand ways to make it true. I want to do terrible things to you.
by Nine Inch Nails on Aug 21, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
"...more high risk...,"
Yeah, the Philly fans have bombarded us with negatives, a lot of which I was unaware of. Still, you have to credit the Giants with doing their home work (the extent that they did that was also news to me.) They also structured the contract to provide enormous incentive for Andrews to give 100%. I’m expecting it will work and will continue to do so until he proves otherwise.
Keep this in mind
Guy Whimper, Adam Koets, Kevin Boothe, Herb Taylor. Think of those guys when you consider this move, and that’s all you really need to know.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 21, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely, even if it doesn't
work out. If it does, JR’ll have rectified oversights before real damge is felt.
Boothe is a decent sub
but he’ll never be a starter & you are definitely right about the rest.
Anyway, if it works out the O-line becomes a strength again. If not, then the Giants have not invested too much.
by potroast on Aug 21, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree with you..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
By the way BobbiB ...
you were on fire yesterday:
“I doubt they would sign him if he didn’t have gas left in the tank and his gas cap is screwed on tight..we’ll see”
“Let us hope his "Check engine light" does not come on…”
Love the “gas cap” one. That totally nails the issue with Andrews.
Eagle fans don't like it
I went on BGN and read the posts. A lot of them were to the effect of how pissed they will be if he works out for the Giants. Remember, the Eagles short-yardage futility began when Andrews flaked out on them. If his head is right, the guy can play.
I really hope
I am not the only one who misread Moran’s name.
by mypisceannature on Aug 21, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions
PS
If Beatty and Andrews come through, JR’s genius label will be burnished considerably. In hindsight it would have to be considered brilliant.
Absolutely
And I cringe at the thought if at least 1 of them doesn’t work out.
by potroast on Aug 21, 2010 8:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can crigned about Beatty
Andrews is a shot in the dark so I wouldn’t go in with high expectations yet.
"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck
I doubt Andrews is a long-term project ...
Sounds like a 1/2 season project to see if he can remain healthy, and a full season project to see if he can return close to elite form. No way they pay that Day 30 of the new football year bonus if Giants don’t think they have a real keeper on their hands by then. This sounds eerily like the Lavar Arrington 7-year $49MM deal that was really a 1 year audition. We all remember how that movie turned out …
Totally agree with Free that the Eagle fans are dreading this guy making a successful comeback 90 miles north. Sort of like my worst nightmare that Plax comes back next season in the NFC east and burns us.
Tonight I’ll be more concerned with how Beatty and Sintim do (those are guys we’re actually counting on) than Bomar. The reality is … if Eli goes down for more than a few series this season we are in big, big trouble.
If I read Andrews's deal correctly ...
He gets a $3.5MM roster bonus in April/May and $3MM salary for 2011. That’s $6.5MM for 2011, and if you pay him the $3.5MM you’re gonna be all in for the $3MM, too. That’s starter money no matter how you slice it. So, signing Andrews may be a comment on our current back-ups like Ed said, but only for 2010. If after this season the Giants don’t think he’s “got the gas cap screwed on” and “the engine light hasn’t come on” (as BobbiBlue said) then he’s one and done.
The good news is that if they do win the bet, and he is a quality starter again, then they have him locked up for 5 years past 2010. Looks to me like the Eagles are going to regret not having similar options on the Vick deal, as it’s clear he is just a backup/wildcat to them. After 2010 he’s gone, especially if he gets enough playing time to show anything this year. He clearly still thinks he is a starter in the NFL, and I’m sure there’s at least a few teams crazy enough to agree.
Rumors are....
That the Eagles shopped Vick hard this off season and there were no takers. That means that nobody would commit to him being the starter. Don’t you think that Vick and his management are aware of that? These NFL contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on. If Vick had someone willing to give him a starting job and long-term contract he would have complained his way out of Philly.
Good points Shof...
Now that McNabb is gone, who lobbied to get Vick..the Eagles have a huge problem..Nobody wants the guy especially after his birthday party incident..trouble follows that guy no matter where he goes..As for the wildcat offense, defenses have planned for that…so we won’t see many teams attempting it for another ten years when it becomes a cute scheme again.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I still think this is the begining of the end for Whimper
I don’t think Beatty is in major jeopardy of losing anything right now….
However I can’t help but wonder about Snee’s knee….it’s just something we haven’t heard about and that scares me, Giants have a track record of hiding injuries….and usually they are the ones that require surgery. I really hope it’s nothing serious like that….but that is my only fear with a move like this.
Ultimately if your Guy Whimper you gotta be pretty nervous right now. Andrews has his skill set and plays his positions (G/T).
yea
Snee could be the one that this is for. Andrews is a RG IIRC, or he’s a OG anyway.
We’ll see what goes on with Whimper, but at best it looks like this is his last year as a Gint.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 21, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Snee sure looks like
other players with injuries where the team kept the lid on. Can’t blame them if they’re looking to bring some guys on board. Full knowledge of such things makes deal cutting tougher.
Mosley
The Giants have until the end of this year to decide if Andrews is worth his 2011 money. In the meantime, I think they expect some 2010 productivity from him. (Hopefully they won’t need him too much.)
Mosely – yes, Mosley – disagrees.
“I have my doubts. But I don’t blame the Giants for trying. As I said earlier, Andrews wasn’t signed to play right away. I think this move was made with 2011 in mind, although Coughlin probably wouldn’t admit that.”
Moseley is such a moron....
but he has a point. If Andrews is needed this year and shows something, it could mean more of a next year thing (which would probably be a good thing, cuz injuries this year would be bad).
I think it more means a replacement for McKenzie next year when his contract is up, or at least competition for the RT spot
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
McKenzie
A lot of us (me included) weren’t sure about Mac for this season, so it seems we do have 2 OT holes to fill if they’re insistent upon moving Diehl inside. Maybe they’re hoping Andrews shows enough to warrant consideration for the RT spot next year (assuming Beatty at LT and Diehl at LG)
Anybody else read Diehl's comments about playing guard?
He acknowledges that he has to be a team player and play guard while Snee and Seubert are out, which I love him for. But then he talks about needing to get reps at tackle again. I get the whole wanting to compete for the primetime spot on the Oline, but if he was playing at elite status the Giants would have gotten a guard instead of a tackle in the 2nd round. Anyone else a little concerned about his attitude if he’s told he’s starting the year at guard and maybe staying there for the foreseeable future?
We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
He's not happy about moving inside.....
that’s the vibe I get from him. But i don’t see it being an issue
I think he will do whatever it takes..
and he won’t be getting a pay cut..He like the other guys want another ring.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Yes he does get a pay cut
When they gave him a new contract it has modifiers built in based on if he remains a tackle. As long as he is playing tackle he gets extra incentives from his contract. If he isn’t taking snaps at tackle he doesn’t get that money.
I don't know.
Andrews mysteriously departed the Eagles at the end of June 2008. Later he failed to report to training camp at Lehigh University, without notice and without being excused. He cited unexplained “personal issues” in various text messages with reporters. In a newspaper article released on August 4, 2008, Andrews claimed he was suffering from depression and was seeking professional help.2 He eventually missed 17 days of camp, and returned on August 10.3 Andrews started in the first two games of the season, but he left in the second game with a back injury. The Eagles did not put him on injured reserve, but the injury caused him to miss the rest of the 2008 season.4
Andrews had surgery in the 2009 offseason, but he re-injured his back at the start of training camp, which caused him to miss the entire preseason and the first week of the 2009 season before he was placed on the injured reserve list on September 15, 2009. On March 17, 2010, Andrews was released by the Eagles
Thats a lot of money for a guy coming off off a back injury.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 21, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
Well..
That is certainly not very encouraging news..I really don’t know much about this guy..Hopefully the Giants psycho doctors feel he is a cured nutcase..Maybe Osi can counsel him.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
looking forward to tonight...
Bomar Baby!
Hopefully we can see V. Cruz do something as a Return man b/c if he does that…well he could solidify his spot even more. Also interested in seeing T. Brown.
I’m disappointed that Ramses won’t be playing….but looking forward to seeing how they use Beckum. Let me rephrase that….I’m curious to see how they use Beckum
Lastly…after hearing Boley’s comments about the WILL being more like a SAM and vice versa….does this mean that we’re asking Sintim to be a coverage LB? I saw Boley sniffing some plays out at the line on Monday and really didn’t notice Sintim at all (which can be good and bad). But I ask because I really expected it to be the other way around…with Boley being a more of a “coverage” LB and Sintim doing more along the line.
It doesn't look like they are going to play the game here in VT
So I’m going to be relying on you guys for updates.
I think Fewell expects his OLBs to be interchangeable. It appeared that he took that bit from the Tampa 2 at least. The idea being you don’t have to shift players just because the strength of formation changed, and you don’t have an obvious side that is weak to run or pass. I’m not positive on that, it just looked to me like that is what was going on. If I’m right it means Boley and Sintim both must cover and stop the run.
Another Vermonter!
Per captia there’s a ton of Vermonters who comment on this site!. Too bad we don’t get the local Giants coverage like we used to back in the day (when the Giants trained here and before the Patriots amounted to anything).
Updates from Ohm of ESPN NY
- Jacobs has a stiff neck so he won’t play tonight
- Osi will start tonight. Is that to give Osi a nugget or had really surpassed Kiwi?
- Beatty will start at LT, Diehl at LG, Whimper at RG
"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck
I guess I'm in the minority
But Beatty isn’t ready for LT. I hope he gets there but Diehl will start at least the first four games at LT …unless Manning is looking for some more beauty scars
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