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Giants Training Camp: Final Impressions

New York Giants Training Camp concludes with what promises to be a brief walk-thru this morning at the University at Albany. The team will then head down the Thruway to New Jersey for Saturday's preseason game with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and will conclude preseason practices from the Meadowlands.

This also means, sadly, my access to the team on any type of regular basis has also come to an end.

With that in mind, I thought I would offer some final impressions of the team and the now-concluded 2010 Giants Training Camp.

Star-divide

The Star of Our Show

Victor Cruz, of course. The undrafted rookie free agent wide receiver from UMass, a Paterson, N.J., native, has been the biggest breakout player in camp. He has also become a media darling, partially because he is a local kid. Also, though, he has a great smile and he seems to have handled all of the unexpected attention well thus far. It would be a stunner if he does not make this team and, if he somehow does not, Rex Ryan indicated the Jets would snap him up. I am sure the Jets are not the only team hoping the Giants let Cruz slip away.

The Offense

It has been anything but a smooth camp for the unit that was the bright spot in the Giants' dismal 2009 season. Injuries, of course, have been a big part of slowing the progress of this group. First to the offensive, then the tight ends and now the quarterbacks. Kevin Gilbride's offense has rarely been whole throughout camp, and there is little doubt that the progression of the offense has been slowed due to all of its missing parts.

Still, camp has begun to reveal some things about this year's offense.

The big question has been the offensive line, and the big worry right now has to be the condition of All-Pro right guard Chris Snee's knee. Snee has not practiced in about a week, and the Giants running game really feels his absence. He is their best lineman, and the guy the team likes to run behind when they absolutely need to make a play, and if he is limited -- or unavailable -- that is a huge problem.

One thing we have begun to see with the offensive line is that it is looking more and more like Will Beatty is going to be the starting left tackle, with David Diehl moving inside to left guard in place of Rich Seubert. Beatty had a rough start to camp, but played well Monday against the New York Jets. During his meeting with the media Thursday, Gilbride was effusive in his praise of the second-year player from UConn. Another telling sign is that Beatty has taken almost all of the reps at left tackle this week, and Seubert worked exclusively with the second and third groups on Thursday.

Running backs  -- Ahmad Bradshaw has looked terrific and Brandon Jacobs also seems healthy. Andre Brown has been running and cutting well, and appears to be emerging as the third back.

Tight ends -- Bear Pascoe was the only healthy tight end for a while, and it will be an incredible upset if he does not open the season as the No. 2 tight end. Kevin Boss missed some time with a hamstring injury, but both his hamstring and his surgically repaired ankle seem to be better and he looks to be moving well again. Travis Beckum has been nearly invisible this camp and how -- or if -- the Giants can find a role for him is debatable.

Wide Receivers -- Camp, of course, has been the Victor Cruz Show as the undrafted free agent from UMass has made a huge impression on coaches, teammates and fans. That, however, does not mean Cruz will be taking playing time from the top three receivers -- or even that he is a complete lock to make the team. There are still three exhibition games to be played.

We know about Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham. Derek Hagan has had an excellent camp, and right now is likely the fourth receiver. Ramses Barden has been good at times, bad at others and now he has a back injury and the Giants don't know how long he will be out. The Giants really seem to want the big guy to be an important part of their offense, but whether that will happen remains to be seen.

Quarterbacks -- Forget about Eli Manning missing this weekend's game. The big injury for the Giants right now is the shoulder problem sidelining backup Jim Sorgi. He will miss the rest of the preseason and maybe longer. By the end of the preseason the Giants should know if a) Sorgi will be available this season and b) if Rhett Bomar can be the No. 2 guy if Sorgi can't. If Bomar isn't ready and Sorgi isn't available, the Giants will be looking for a veteran backup.

The Defense

This is the place where all of the focus, and all of the questions were at the start of training camp. In reality, those questions are still there -- even if it looks like we have begun to get some answers from Perry Fewell's group.

Secondary -- Aaron Ross is healthy, Kenny Phillips looks like he will be able to contribute, Deon Grant and Antrel Rolle are as advertised. This group is much, much better than what the Giants fielded last season.

Linebackers -- An ongoing battle for the middle linebacker job between Jonathan Goff, who had a good camp, and veteran Keith Bulluck. Odds are Bulluck eventually wins the job, but Goff is not simply stepping aside. Michael Boley is healthy and has looked explosive on the weak side, particularly in pass coverage. Quiet camp for second-year strong side linebacker Clint Sintim, and both Gerris Wilkinson and rookie Phillip Dillard have begun to get some reps over there. Sintim is not a lock to keep that job. Have not seen Mathias Kiwanuka at linebacker for a while, but I suspect we will see some of that -- especially in run situations -- during the season.

Defensive line -- Really, nothing but good news here. Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora look healthy, and Osi has had some truly excellent moments in camp. Kiwanuka looks ready for a big year. Chris Canty has been healthy all camp and looks like a force. He might not make a lot of tackles, but he is hard to move and requires a lot of attention in the middle. Rookies Jason Pierre-Paul and Linval Joseph have both shown why the Giants used their first two picks on them. Joseph, as advertised, can be a dominant run defender.

Special Teams

A mixed bag here.

The good is that Lawrence Tynes had a terrific camp. He nailed a 52-yard field goal on his final kick of camp Thursday, and throughout camp and Monday's first exhibition game his kickoffs were better than they were in 2009. He finally seems done monkeying with his mechanics, and he is kicking the ball with more consistency.

Consistency, though, is not a word you can attach to rookie punter Matt Dodge. His kicks were all over the map during camp, and his performance against the New York Jets was terrible. He has shown a very strong leg and a terrific work ethic, though, and we just have to wait and see if he can begin to hit the ball with more consistency. If not, well, there will be lots of veteran punters available in a few weeks.

I watched Monday's game and saw that the Giants still have not figured out how to return a kickoff. On each return you could see that there was no chance of a big play by the time the returner got to the 15-yard line. Thursday, speedy undrafted free agent Tim Brown was getting reps as a kickoff returner for the first time. Punt and kickoff returns might be the diminutive Brown's way onto the roster.

(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com. Follow Big Blue View on Twitter.)

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Are there any veteran backup QBs that might become aviable as more cuts begin to happen? Are the Giants worried about Sorgi’s return and health?

by BigBlue82 on Aug 20, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorgi

I would say, yes, they have to be worried. They think he will be back for the regular season, but there is no guarantee. This is the same injury that cost Chad Pennington the entire season last year, a torn capsule in the throwing shoulder. The best available backup is Jeff Garcia, who is currently in the UFL. And I know the thought of Garcia as a Giant is not palatable for some Giants fans.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 20, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully after week 4 Charlie Batch will be available

Good luck on the game guys. I know its preseason, but its a great way to see how much depth our team has and the coaching ability on the young guys

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Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."

by PCISteeler on Aug 20, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Garcia....

at this point I would settle for Gracia in a backup roll. I would feel comfortable with him based on his experience.

by rbman3 on Aug 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU.

I suggested Garcia on the other thread and had to call the fire department. The guy’s in the UFL? If Sorgi’s not 100% by the season, go get him.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Aug 20, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

the coaches were playing mind games with Beatty and have found what makes him tick.

by G Fan in England on Aug 20, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

they took a page from Rex’s hard knocks and had Tollefson toss his ass to the ground during practice :-/

by TNYFBG on Aug 20, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

UFL contracts

how easy is it for a QB to get out of a contract with the UFL? Looking at some of the UFL rosters there are some interesting names at QB, Culpepper, Bollinger, Grothe, Woodson, McCown, Rattay

by BigBlue82 on Aug 20, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Culpepper, wow

how the mighty have fallen. From the cover of Madden to the UFL. Is Kerry Collins still with Tennessee? I’m always a fan of second chances. Vinny Testeverde? lol

If you're a real Yankee fan, please do the rest of us a favor and splurge the extra cash on a replica jersey without a last name on the back. Frankly, it's embarassing.

by total hermination on Aug 20, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vinny Testeverde

is already in Golden Gates retirement home and getting letters regularly from AARP

by #56 4life on Aug 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear Terry Bradshaw is ready to go

Hell, why not dig up Otto Graham and prop him up out there?

by brisulph on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

UFL contracts are week to week. Not 100% sure, but I believe they are.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard we signed Dominic Randolph

from Holy Cross. any truth to that? I doubt this will be a long term solution if its true.

If you're a real Yankee fan, please do the rest of us a favor and splurge the extra cash on a replica jersey without a last name on the back. Frankly, it's embarassing.

by total hermination on Aug 20, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

after further review

guess it is true…since it was reported by Ed further down the site. let the facepalms begin……

If you're a real Yankee fan, please do the rest of us a favor and splurge the extra cash on a replica jersey without a last name on the back. Frankly, it's embarassing.

by total hermination on Aug 20, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now what?

In the coming pre-season games what do we look for – other than no injuries?

Where and how much does Whimper play? He seems on the bubble, especially if they are serious about Andrews.

SAM – Agree Sintim is not a lock but how many snaps does Wilkinson get there? Will be be a viable option to start? He would seem to make the team because Chase is hurt and they need his ST play.

Who starts opposite Corey? I still maintain that, all things being equal, Ross is actually a better CB than TT. I expect lots of disagreement there. But overall, Ross may be better suited to nickle.

Do they keep 3 QBs? If Bomar cannot get thru waivers to the PS, maybe they do.

by MSP Giant on Aug 20, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

about Ross. I think in terms of pure coverage skill they are very similar, maybe a slight advantage to Ross, but I think TT’s got better ball skills and is a slightly better tackler.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 20, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not too much drop off either way

Pleasant problem – three starter quality CBs. Hope all three stay healthy.

by MSP Giant on Aug 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I might be in the minority..

But I have no worries about the backup QB situation. We have a guy who absolutely refuses to miss time back there. If we got a veteran backup at this point, it’d be like buying flood insurance when you live in Nevada.

"my vow of silence is over..... I’m sick of it….and I hate that dopey bastard"
- Highly revered BBV poster andiamo708 on his vow of silence regarding negative comments directed towards New York Giants Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride after the first pre-season game of 2010.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 20, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

I will really be surprised if Eli misses any real games with the head injury. He is a warrior. If he did miss any extended time, there were not any great vertern QBs on the FA market anyway. Sorgi might have been one of the better ones but I am hearing his injury is a lot worse then 2-3 weeks. Do we really want a Batch, Culpepper, Gracia who have bounced around the league for years? Bomar is the backup to me and if we carry 3 QBs, a healthy sorgi or randolph are in.

That being said, sports radio and newspapers are worried about who will backup Eli. To me its not a big deal cause I think we pretty much kiss the season goodbye with Eli out. The offense for the last few years has been built around Eli and no matter what guy is put in… a vet, 2nd year or undrafted guy, it will be a huge struggle. The chances are very low of a Jeff Hos or even a Tom Brady situation happening.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but.........

the risk is always there. Tom Brady never missed any time either. We need a capable and experienced backup.

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by FrankB03 on Aug 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea...

But I feel Armani up there has it right. No matter who the backup is (Garcia, Sorgi, Bomar, Lorenzen) this team will not be doing aything significant without Eli.

"my vow of silence is over..... I’m sick of it….and I hate that dopey bastard"
- Highly revered BBV poster andiamo708 on his vow of silence regarding negative comments directed towards New York Giants Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride after the first pre-season game of 2010.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not a situation I would care to think about

the shock of Eli on monday night was enough for me to handle for the 2010 season.

On the Tom Brady mention I had above, I meant him coming in for Drew Beldose in 2001, not season ender he had in 2008 (Matt Cassel is a rare one too). The chances are low of having a new guy take over a team and lead the team on a postseason run.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paging Jeff Hostetler.

“The chances are low of having a new guy take over a team and lead the team on a postseason run.”

Jeff Hostetler to a white Blue courtesy phone.

If Sorgi’s healthy, great. But if he isn’t, get Garcia. He’s by far the best remaining arm. And he could actually win a game or two if (heaven forbid) Eli were to get hurt.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Aug 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barden is starting to annoy me.

And why do I have an erie feeling that the Giants are going to let Cruz slip away? I can’t wait until Manningham comes back from vacation.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 20, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yo Lo

I got that same feeling my man.

Let’s see how the rest of pre-season goes, but if Cruz shows that ability consistently I’ll be real pissed if he doesn’t make the roster.

"my vow of silence is over..... I’m sick of it….and I hate that dopey bastard"
- Highly revered BBV poster andiamo708 on his vow of silence regarding negative comments directed towards New York Giants Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride after the first pre-season game of 2010.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i felt the same wit cruz

but with ramses uncertain with his back. and how frequent we’ve had hammy and calf issues with our widouts. I see cruz as a lock. Along with sinorice not really showing any signs of improvement from last year

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Aug 20, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Barden

Everytime I think the guy is really gonna help the offense, he takes a huge slide down. If Cruz does not make this team, there is something way wrong.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

let's not annoint him yet

I was as impressed with Cruz as everyone. One game does not make a career. There’s still 3 preseason games remaining. IMO Cruz will make the team as a punt returner.

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by FrankB03 on Aug 20, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern is the continued lack of pressure

From our defense…I thought Fewell was going to solve that but it hasn’t happened..The remainder of the pre-season will tell us the story there.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Aug 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Why

tip your hand in preseason – save it for the real games.

by G Fan in England on Aug 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is not a question of tipping your hand, it is showing the league that we are back in your backfield harassing your runners

and your QB..a statement letting them know our traditional Giants defense is back and needs to be reckoned with..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Aug 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt fuel

Will be showing a lot of his packages to teams in this preseason.. He knows he’s new around here, and he probably is playing into that role. With all the reps in practice of what he will bring on defense..i doubt he feels the need to show the nfl what the team will bring completely on defense.

Also..the jets have a solid Oline.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Aug 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Practice and a Game are two different things..

The purpose of pre-season is to show what you are practicing at full speed in a game time situation..this isn’t the CIA it is not about hiding schemes, it is about seeing what you’ve installed..Anybody who thinks Fewell is having our guys purposely lay down like weak sheep is not getting it..I know the Jets have a good o-line, but if we can’t demonstrate a decent rush against a good line, then we’ll be watching two other teams in the super bowl this year.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha

i feel you. Reps in-game are important..but its been 1 pre-season game. Im sure they will show some things. Dont the starters minutes increase as the pre-season game go by?

Not sure about Fuel laying down though. The jets didnt exactly blow up our starting D. I too would have liked to see a stronger push from the line..but im not trippin about that yet. It’s way too early to spec on Fuel and the play of the line.

To add..the jets were more prepared for the physical play.. the giants have had NO full contact take down practices. The jets, well..thats what they have been doing from jump. It showed too early in that game. We should see more saturday as far as physicality from the guys

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Aug 20, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Jets have a very good offensive line

and although we would love to see 4 Giants tossing 5 Jets linemen around like midgets, without blitzes and more advanced coverage designs it’s not going to happen.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I am just going by what Fewell said..

He planned on blitzing from everywhere at any given time..His secondary is healthy and now has some veteran help..Where’s the beef?

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Aug 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see vanilla defense in the pre-season

Let’s save most of the blitz packages for the regular season for when the games count. No need to tip our hand before the real games start.

by M. on Aug 20, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind Vanilla...as long as I see the Chocolate at times..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Aug 20, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

most teams

in the preseason aren’t like the Jets. They don’t do lots of blitzing.

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by FrankB03 on Aug 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was the 1st preseason game

also I heard the defense was running a very vanilla package.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Aug 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Ed

Has there been any more news on Eli’s foot?
I mean I haven’t heard anything about the plantar fasciitis and I guess no news is good news. But do you know if its fully healed or as healed as posssible?

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by Willgfass on Aug 20, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

His foot

has not been mentioned once.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t heard anything about it since like week 12 last year. Which is sort of perplexing. Hopefully it means its all better.

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All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
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by Willgfass on Aug 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

PF

My understanding is that plantar fasciitis can be an acute or semi-acute issue. While I’m not Eli’s doc, I’d guess we’ll hear about it from time to time during his career.

It’s a strain or partial tear of a pretty significant ligament that runs along the bottom of the foot and kind of keeps the tension along the bottom of the foot and supports the arch. And once that injury occurs, there will be inflammation (-itis).

by Bumpskier on Aug 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

Do you think he’s still suffering from it? Or its one of those things that will pop up from time to time?

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Aug 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have it

It is something that is correctable. All it takes is custom orthotics and stretching. I’m sure Eli took care of it and does the required stretching. I think it was blown way out of proportion. Worst case scenario is he’ll just have some pain, but I bet he’staken care of it and its no longer an issue.

by Big Blue in tx on Aug 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Boomer Esiason

End his career prematurely because he didn’t want to play through the discomfort of PF anymore?

"my vow of silence is over..... I’m sick of it….and I hate that dopey bastard"
- Highly revered BBV poster andiamo708 on his vow of silence regarding negative comments directed towards New York Giants Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride after the first pre-season game of 2010.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 20, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Foot injuries are a nightmare,

…but what they mostly require is rest. He should be ok.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Aug 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There has got to be varying degrees of pain for this thing.

I just read an article from last year where Boomer said it was a big factor as to why he quit. He said on Mondays and Tuesdays after games, when he walked on hardwood floors or tile, it felt like someone was stabbing his heel with a knife.

"my vow of silence is over..... I’m sick of it….and I hate that dopey bastard"
- Highly revered BBV poster andiamo708 on his vow of silence regarding negative comments directed towards New York Giants Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride after the first pre-season game of 2010.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

and thanks to everyone else.

Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan

by Willgfass on Aug 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

He has way better access to the right people and the right equipment to keep it minimal. Plus he’s a smart guy and I think he has the work ethic to keep it healthy.

That being said, the plantar fascia is under the most stress when you’re walking/running at the ‘toe-off’ phase, say stepping up to make a pass.

I think he won’t miss many games from it, but I would not be surprised if eventually it flares back up. Whether or not the media (or us) hear that its PF, remains to be seen.

by Bumpskier on Aug 20, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glass half-full

I don’t want that to sound pessimistic. If it pops up once more in long career with us, I wouldn’t say it’s too bad of a deal.

The best indication of whether the Giants are concerned of it acting up would be to see if an AT tapes the bottom of his feet before practices/games. There’s a very particular tape-job for those ligaments, and no one does it unless its necessary. It’d be the most obvious sign.

by Bumpskier on Aug 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shawn Andrews

Saw a post that we signed him… Ed can you confirm? Could potentially be a nice depth piece on the line, something we’ve lacked in the past, but I’m obviously not counting on it.

by TNYFBG on Aug 20, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

depth

hes a huge dissappointment..but its not a loss if he proves to be the same.
He’s cheap, and can possibly fine motivation to stick around with this giants team. He’s a former pro bowler. Had some injuries..but this signing is for emergency depth and most likely to light a fire under beatty for the rest of this pre-season

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sintim is fine

the only problem is he is playing too safe, he is not shooting his gun so to speak, like wilikinson did in the first game, he just needs to pin his ears back……. reports about him losing snaps at SAM are in correct, in Fewells new defense Sintim plays what we know to be as WIL and Boley plays what we know to be the SAM (over TE) so when you see wilkinson and Dilliard getting snaps at what appears to be SAM, they are actually taking snaps from Boley but TC said Boley played well, they are just giving Wilkinson a reason to keep playing well. This defense is inverted, strong side is in space…… look at the fame people in the base package sintim is behind Kiwi not tuck

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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Aug 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Game** not fame (sorry)

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was briefly mentioned in Fuel's most recent transcripts on Giants.com

my impression is IDK if there is a clear designation of who is SAM or WIL in the traditional-sense, but that the OLBs alignment depends on the alignment of the Defensive Linemen in front of them. But, I’m not sure if their assignments are (slightly or completely) different either – just the way they line up.

I guess somewhat like their Right and Left safeties (that’s interchangeable, don’t know if it also applies to their OLBs assignments); it’s not your traditional FS and SS.

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Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
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by 27Tango on Aug 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone's been doing their homework

good pick up Blue….it’s probably accounts for the fact that Boley was in on those running plays on Monday….and hopefully why Sintim didn’t “jump” out at us.

by andiamo708 on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

BYE BYE

Moss and Beckum

Moss has probably fell to 8th on the depth chart behind Smith, Nicks, MM, Hagan, Barden, Cruz and even Tim Brown.

With the emergence of Bear and with Beckum’s inability to block he’s expendable.

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by FrankB03 on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Beckum

they won’t give up on him yet, its just his second season, but it he still does not look good, learn to block Travis!

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking Garcia, but Culpepper or Collins might work as a veteran backup.

by jessie1 on Aug 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Am I the only one

Rooting for Goff to win the MLB job outright?

by Flynner on Aug 20, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm rooting for Goff too

I don’t have any vested interest in him or anything….but I figure someone stepping up and making big plays will be a good thing

by andiamo708 on Aug 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ed

Your info. from the training camp are always very good reading material.
Good health and take care.

GOOD LUCK TO OUR GIANTS! Hope they stay health,

by Olddiehard on Aug 20, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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