Giants Training Camp: 'Kudos & Wet Willies' Review
For all practical purposes, New York Giants Training Camp at the University at Albany is over. Sure, there will be three more practices in Albany following tonight's preseason opener against the New York Jets, but the heavy lifting has been done. Whatever coach Tom Coughlin wanted to accomplish is Albany has -- or has not -- been done. Too late now.
With that in mind, and before the Giants take the field for a much over-hyped, over-anticipated and over-talked (yes, I'm inventing new words now) about game against the blabbermouth Jets let's review what has happened in Albany. That, of course, means it is time for a training camp edition of 'Kudos & Wet Willies'.
So, let's get started.
Kudos to ...
- Perry Fewell: A meaningful snap has not yet been taken in 2010, and we have no idea how things will turn out for the Giants defense this season, but you have to love this guy. Energy, enthusiasm, passion, presence. The new defensive coordinator has brought all of those things to his job. In the end, it could leads to the swagger returning to the Giants defense. This guy was a GREAT hire by Coughlin.
- Bear Pascoe: He has to be the first player mentioned. For crying out loud, he has spent the better part of the last week doing the work of five men. Since, of course, he has been the only one of the five tight ends on the roster healthy enough to practice. It doesn't hurt that he has shown to be a pretty darn good player, and a great guy. Injury will likely be the only thing that could keep him off the season-opening roster.
- Mathias Kiwanuka: I have not written about Kiwanuka much during camp, but you have to love the guy's selflessness. He knows he is in a contract year, and yet he has willingly moved all over the place during camp. He has played defensive end, defensive tackle in some passing situations and both outside linebacker spots. More impressively, he has done them all well. No matter what the role -- and it looks like he may be asked to play several of them -- Kiwanuka could be headed for a monster year.
- Osi Umenyiora: Yes, I'm giving it up for Osi here. On the field he has had a terrific camp, regularly abusing both David Diehl and Will Beatty. Off the field, Umenyiora has finally seemed to accept the fact that -- whether he starts or not -- he will have to split time with Kiwanuka, Justin Tuck and Jason Pierre-Paul.
- Jason Pierre-Paul and Linval Joseph: Pretty good training camps for the Giants No. 1 and 2 draft choices. Pierre-Paul is raw, as advertised, but he is also pretty darn good. More than once in camp he has simply tossed aside a helpless offensive tackle and made a play in the backfield. Joseph, also as advertised, has flashed the ability to be a dominant force against the run.
- Deon Grant and Antrel Rolle: The veteran safeties, each acquired via free agency, are tremendous additions to the defense. They bring knowledge, leadership and talent. Neither of them is Ed Reed in his prime, but they are a huge upgrade from what the Giants had a season ago.
- Kenny Phillips: Just for getting on the field at UAlbany, and for looking like a guy who can still play at a high level, even if it is in limited snaps.
- Andre Brown: During the entire offseason I questioned whether or not Brown would be able to come back from Achilles Tendon surgery and plant explosively and decisively off that surgically-repaired leg. He has done so repeatedly during camp, and I am looking forward to seeing what he can add to the offense in 2010.
- Tim Brown and Victor Cruz: Both undrafted free agent wide receivers are giving the Giants a lot to think about when it comes to the final receiver slot on the 53-man roster (yes, that means whether or not to finally cut ties with Sinorice Moss). At this point that is all either of them could have hoped for.
- Kareem McKenzie: I don't think I have written his name the entire camp. The right tackle, however, has been the one constant on what is currently a beaten-up, uncertain unit. Many of you wanted him gone, but right now you should be glad he is still around.
- Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas: Both corners have had excellent camps. It has been particularly gratifying to see Ross bouncing around, looking happy, healthy and frisky.
- UAlbany: The Giants practice facility is beautiful, with five excellent fields. The weather has cooperated as the Giants have not had to go indoors at all. Oh, and yours truly has appreciated the excellent offerings of the dining hall.
Wet Willies to ...
- Will Beatty: The Giants had hoped -- and probably still hope -- the second-round draft pick from a year ago would step up and grab the starting left tackle job on an otherwise aging offensive line. The only way to say it, though, is that Beatty has been terrible during his two weeks in Albany. So bad, in fact, that during the last few practices I saw he spent more time working with the third unit than the first unit. Most discouraging are the number of assignment errors Beatty has been making. Repeatedly blocking the wrong guy is a rookie mistake, not one he should be making at this point.
- Adam Koets: Got lots of work with the first unit at center when Shaun O'Hara's ankled barked for a few days, and the results were scary. Still way too many botched snaps and screwed-up snap counts, not to mention his blocking doesn't seem all that impressive, either. Pray that this guy never has to play when it matters.
- Travis Beckum: You know all that offseason discussion we had trying to figure out how the Giants would incorporate the second-year H-Back into their offense? Or, if they could incorporate him somehow? Well, you can forget it. For all intents and purposes, Beckum missed camp (he may have practiced three times). There isn't much time left to experiment -- if the guy can even get on the field some time in the next week to begin with. Most likely he starts the season with a very limited role, if he has one at all. Can't work in a guy who can't get on the field.
- D.J. Johnson: Johnson has made a few plays in camp, but it seems like a few times in every practice I see a long ball get completed, look for the defender and find No. 29 trailing the play. I feel the same way about this guy as I do Koets -- I never want to see him play meaningful snaps.
- Sinorice Moss: Funny thing about Moss that I have come to understand is that he is a great guy. The organization seems to love him, the people who cover the team on a regular basis seem to have affection for him. But, that isn't going to help him keep his job -- and neither is the fact that he has been hurt for about a week. He has been watching from the sidelines as Derek Hagan and Ramses Barden play their way into snaps that won't go to him, and while Cruz and Tim Brown put together impressive bids to take his roster spot.
- The media work room: C'mon guys, you have to be able to do better than this. I know you look at the media as a pain in the neck, but geesh. A hole in the wall room with no air conditioning, no bathrooms, rickety chairs that kill your back after about 10 minutes and barely enough surge protectors for folks to plug laptops into. Glad I'm done working out of there for this year.
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thanks Ed
Great “K&WW” piece, insightful and entertaining as always. Eagerly waiting to see all those players in blue tonight that thanks to you, we’ll have insight as to who they are & how they can contribute to the G-men v2010.1
by nygblue on Aug 16, 2010 7:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So do you think Seubert still gets cast aside (pun intended) or was Beatty’s performance that bad?
by pataroons on Aug 16, 2010 7:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seubert
Remains to be seen. If the regular season opened today, though, he would start. Not because he has been good, but because Beatty has been bad.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I’d give Bradshaw ‘kudos’ just for how much he has practiced. Jacobs has much to prove, and Bulluck is still working with the second team. We’ll see.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
re: will beatty's review
that’s bad. just bad. you don’t want to hear that about the incumbent tackle, who you have so many high hopes for. maybe it’s not quite time to break up the Beatles, just yet. one more go round for the crew, and give this young boy a chance to work his way into the rotation, with another year of knowledge under his belt. because a second round pick, should not be a career backup.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Beatty
has all the physical tools. Size, strength, athleticism, quick feet. He has been disappointing, though. Maybe he can change that starting tonight.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like more study
He needs football study hall time. Wrong assignments, mental mistakes. Should be correctable unless he is intellectually deficient. I would assume desire is there.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 16, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Whew
I was worried about the O line going into the draft. Your Wet Willie re Beatty doesn’t relieve it. Plus I’m on my way to losing a bet that he’ll be starting come opening day. Still, I feel more optimistic than than not. Then again, I’m always optimistic this time of year.
OL
Sounds like the next draft needs to focus on some new blood for the OL. Seubert is breaking down, McKenzie will as well and O’Hara is no youngster any more. Beatty and Petrus seem to be the only legitimate players with a chance to start at some point.
King likes NYG DEs
Many of you dislike Peter King from SI. I take his stuff with a grain of salt. He likes what he sees in the Giants DEs, and he doesn’t even talk about the tackles.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/08/15/mmqb/1.html
If the Giants front can stay healthy and JPP and Linval play they way they can, then the Giants D will be back to a top 5 in the league unit. The LBs and DBs can be merely good if this line performs like it should.
All big ifs, but what the heck. It’s pre-season
Peter King is always a good read
Even if you completely disagree with what he’s saying.
He knows pretty well his own limitations which is nice in a columnist.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Agree with you
King is one of the few columnists I can disagree with and not go into full on rage mode (ala Joel Sherman, etc). Plus, as you note, he is a good writer.
blurgh! - me
Great writer
Until the world cup rolls around and he tries to shove soccer down our throat for a whole month.
by Big Blue in tx on Aug 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Augh..
Beckum is so disappointing, I had him having a break out year…I don’t know what will happen to the guy. I think they keep him as the 3rd TE,but man even that’s hard to do…but they’ll have to because he’s a 3rd pick with talent & will play hands ST.
DJ Johnson, don’t care for him…Koets don’t care for him either, but we do need a backup C. Moss – see ya!
It looks like the D will most def. be much improved (of course) but then now the OL will be the weakest link on this team… it’s always one or the other… offense up – defense down, offense down – defense up… I have a feeling the OL will pick it up before preseason is done. And that JR will prob pick up an OL vet during that course of time before the season begins.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
O Line
Would not be a huge surprise if the Giants look for a veteran lineman with starting experience at center. They don’t have one. Beatty still has a chance. Two rough weeks don’t ruin the season, but it isn’t what you wanted to see in camp.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i read somewhere that his tape looked horrible
and that he got into the pro bowl last year on name alone, but isn’t Kevin Mawae still out there? you can’t ask for better as a backup, and he’s mos def an improvement over AK.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
Mawae
could very well be available, checked the Titans current roster and he’s not on there…but there was poll for dirtiest player last year and Mawae was #5.
In 2009, Mawae was ranked fifth in a Sports Illustrated poll of dirty players. The magazine surveyed 296 NFL players to come up with the ranking.7 Mawae was quoted on the Titans’ site as saying he was “proud” of the recognition because he plays the game hard, but conceded, “I’ve been known to leg whip a time or two. I’ve paid the price for those, both physically and in the pocket.”8
Good idea to pick him up, but with this dirty player thing, I don’t see JR or the Giants will go for it.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
The guys
at BGN have been all over this guy and have concluded he is done.
by G Fan in England on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd rather JR take a look at it
than the guys at BGN. no offense to Jason B. and Jimmy Dawk.
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
True
What do we fans know?
We would have said CC Brown was done until he signed for the Lions!
by G Fan in England on Aug 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If the price is right
Better him than Koets. Maybe he sucks but hopefully he won’t fumble the snap every other play like Koets seems to.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
I don't doubt it...
Like UnknownJints said – he really just needs to hit the books… the surprising thing is what you said in the Post, how he’s been making rookie mistakes and missing assignments…
I’m wondering if they are giving him some confusing defensive looks. I remember that’s what Fuel’s intention is on this defense, to cause mass confusion with their alignments. Maybe Beatty just got duped a few times. I haven’t gone to camp, so I’m just guessing.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Seubert
Think he could ever turn out to be a Ruegemer (sp) or a Whittle? Someone who could back up all three interior positions and be solid if called upon?
hopefully more like G/C..I don't think he can handle T
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
actually - let me take that back...
I do remember him playing T pretty well for a whole season, but that was sometime in the beginning of his career…
so it could be possible he can do it again, unless he has slowed down considerably.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
Seubert
could be the backup center. Problem is right now he has a broken hand and he is limited.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent review Ed..
I am disappointed in Beatty..but I really think our o-line will be ready when it counts. I was hoping to get up there and meet some of you guys at camp, but the wife got called over to Australia for work..so I am Mr. Mom for a few weeks: “Daddy’s great!!…He gives us the chocolate cake!!!”
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
So
no WW for Sorgi – so his play has improved.
Whilst the focus has been on JPP and Joseph we need the draft picks at the back end of the draft – Dillard, Petrus and Dodge to all pan out as they are the real areas of need.
As for Beatty we need the light to come on soon.
Can someone tape the game and then watch his performance play by play and give a report later this week?
by G Fan in England on Aug 16, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Sorgi
Up and down. Let’s see the guy in the exhibition games first.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
the Colts let him go as they had Painter to backup Peyton.
The Colts played last night – how did Painter do…only joking let’s hope the Colts were wrong when they thought Painter was better than Sorgi otherwise Sorgi will not be playing for long tonight!
by G Fan in England on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
To answer your question
maybe Painter should become a house painter, that’s how good he was. I doubt Sorgi
is even as as good as Carr, who knows the guy never played?
"Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider.
STAY THIRSTY my friends".
by Great Gatsby on Aug 16, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Good News From Camp
Sure there are a couple of concerns, but the overall impression I’m getting is making me happy. If the secondary and the dline are healthy and playing hard the giants will have a championship defense. The oline may be a little banged up, but those guys are warriors. I have faith that they’ll find a way to get the job done. Maybe stick Beatty in a straight-jacket, prying his eyes open (A Clockwork Orange style) and forcing him to study the play book…
sucks about the media room
lack of AC is pretty bad. just another reason why the giants should move their training camp back to NJ where there are first class facilities available for everyone and derelict buildings in such shambles would be immediately demolished and not put to use by destitute up state new york with no appreciate for the finer things in life.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

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