Giants Training Camp: Who Is The No. 1 Back? Giants Don't Care
Several times during the first week of New York Giants Training Camp I noted that Ahmad Bradshaw would take snaps with the first unit before Brandon Jacobs. Significant? Maybe to the media, and maybe to fans. The Giants, though, say it means nothing.
"You guys are all hung up on that stuff," head coach Tom Coughlin said the other day. "They all have special skills, talents and abilities and if we can use them all, we'll get the one player in that one aspect of the game that we want, whether it's there, whether it's in the defensive line, secondary, linebacker, an offensive lineman playing tight end or whatever."
Running backs coach Jerald Ingram met with reporters for a few minutes Monday, and reiterated that same message.
"No one is really the starting running back. It's all, as we said, we‘re not going to get hung up on who's the starting running back. It's who does what when that play is called. From that standpoint, if we want an outside play, if we want to be in third down, if we want to be in two tights, or what is the defense's game plan going to be," Ingram said. "We're going to put, just like you saw the New Orleans Saints a year ago, you're going to put that guy who does what's best in that situation."
Speaking of those running backs, Jacobs held court Monday with the media for the first time since training camp began. The big back has had a little more bounce in his step the past couple of workouts, something that has been good to see.
"I feel better this year than I have felt since my third year in the league," Jacobs said. "I fee really good. I've done a couple things this off-season to prepare myself for the season and doing certain core work and hip flexibilities. Things that I need to do. I don't want to work on too much strength because I'm getting older and I don't need stength. I'm getting older and I want to keep my body durable and flexible to do this grind."
Jacobs did not want to get into discussion of why Bradshaw has been getting the first carry more often than he has throughout camp.
"I have no idea. I don't know the reason, I really don't know anything about it," Jacobs said. "I'm just out here to try and help us win. That's about it. No matter who gets the first carry or what. I'm still there and I'm not dead, so we still have a chance to win it."
Shaun O'Hara spoke briefly to the press following Monday's workout, his first time on the field since an ankle injury sidelined him last week.
"It just felt good to be out with my men," O'Hara said. "Being off to the side is not what I drove up here to do. It just felt good to be out there.
"Richie was giving me a hard time, and we all see how well that worked out for him."
[NOTE: No practice report from me later today, gang. It's my 25th wedding anniversary, so I'm spending the day with the Mrs.]
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Giants don't care? Yeah right.
The Defense may not care. The WRs may not care. But the coach and the RBs care. Don’t run that game on the fans TC and Jacobs. They just don’t want a circus but they are looking at their RBs and Bradshaw has not been getting those snaps for nothing.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 10, 2010 6:06 AM EDT reply actions
or....
they could just be saving Jacobs, the dude takes a lot of hits, and they might just want him to take it easy during training camp. I dont think its a big deal at all, Jacobs will be our starting RB
I agree bb82, but it could become a big deal depending on the way jacobs handles it. he obvisouly came to camp with the mindset that he was our #1 back, and if TC doesnt communicate his role with him early, and give him some sort of reassurance, the big guy could become very pouty
by BronxBeliever on Aug 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
AB get reps
Besides AB, I want to see other RBs get more time too. We need BJ and RB as a team (as main carriers) but we need Ware and the other two also to pick some slack. Would like to see last year’s rookie (coming out of IR) get some good time too so that we can use him as feature back in the future. This year after the main two guys it still is going to be RB by committee. We have to get several guys ready for this year and the next few years especially if the season sees more games.
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I would guess AB and BJ care
But as long as it does not affect their performance….we don’t. Not really.
Personally I prefer Jacobs to start and the two to get equal snaps. But the only part that counts is equal snaps, with a few here and there for Brown
i agree. 15 carries a game for ab and 15-20 for jacobs would be pretty nice. that all depends on if we’re always playing from behind of course
by BronxBeliever on Aug 10, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it depends on the play
there is no starting running back in modern football anyway, its almost always a split.
For the giants it depends mostly on the type of play they are running – most plays between the tackles go to Jacobs and the more agile stuff go to Bradshaw.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 10, 2010 7:26 AM EDT reply actions
This just in
I know this isn’t really related, but ESPN just predicted the G-MEN to go somewhere between 6-10 to 7-9 on Mike and Mike. They cited the age of the O-line and no major offseason moves as major reasons why. I hope the Giants make every one remember those predictions, I love it when they’re under the radar!
Agreed on that
The offensive line is a concern right now, but there are a lot of positive things going on in Albany.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well ...
the left side is ‘unsettled.’ Beatty is not showing enough right now to overtake Diehl, and if the left side is again Diehl and Seubert let’s just say that means it will be old and slow.
Whimper has gotten lots of guard reps, and Petrus has also gotten some.
Without seeing tape it is incredibly difficult to judge center and guard play since there is no tackling and they are in shorts and shells most of the time. I can only judge by the fact that Petrus has gotten some opportunities w/Seubert out that the coaches want to see him.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Snee and O'Hara set
The rest of the OL can be questioned.
Where will Diehl play? If guard, the center of the line is OK.
What does McKenzie have left in the tank? And who is his back-up?
Can Beatty play at a high level for a whole season?
Who backs up O’Hara? Is it Seubert? Petrus? Not Koets. PLEASE not Koets.
I think they Giants really have to make a switch and put Beatty at LT and Diehl at LG. Younger, faster line. It is a risk but one I think thay have to take unless Beatty bombs in camp.
McKenzie
If he’s healthy there is zero doubt that McKenzie will be part of the starting lineup. He has no challenger, and he played better last season than a lot of people want to give him credit for.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
McKenzie
He graded out pretty well last year. Not sure it is a question of his ability to still play, just his ability to stay healthy.
On Seubert – if he is unable to move well isn’t that a good reason to make him the super sub? If it truely is Beatty vs Seubert then is it not a reasonable expectation that unless Beatty tanks – a big if so far – then he is the LT?
Old and Slow
On the OL, “Younger and Faster” is not necessarily better than “Old, Slow and Knowing What the Hell You are Doing”…..
I wish people would give this a rest. Seubert played last year with ONE ARM – and he was so bad, that the coaching staff WOULD NOT replace him!!
Seubert will be playing, he knows the schemes, he knows what he is doing and the guy is tough and steady. Maybe next year a guy like Petrus would step in, but Beatty is clearly not the world beater so many were making him out to be this offseason to protect Eli’s BLIND SIDE.
The line will be intact and will be more productive this year assuming our RB’s are healthy.
Interesting
to note that the 49ers have announced that Davis and Lupati will start the season.
Beatty needs to play the first couple of preseason games in full to see how he literally stands up.
I would hope Petrus sees alot of playing time in the preseason as well.
If other teams are willing to blood young guys why cannot we, Yes there will be bumps along the way but you only get over those by playing.
The other side of the coin is that Beatty, Koets, Whimper et al are no good in which case we are in a bad way should the existing OL breakdown for a period of time.
by G Fan in England on Aug 10, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Seubert
The problem with Richie is this — he simply cannot move. He might be able to block straight ahead, but guys with athleticism are going to kill him. And using him to trap or lead on a sweep is simply not going to happen. He can’t get there. So, he knows what he’s doing. But, what his body will let him do is very limited.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So
did they say we are either a 6-10 or 7-9 team because if they said we will go somewhere between 6-10 and 7-9 I can only assume we will go somelike 6-9-1 or 7-8-1.
So guys who are we going to tie with? My money is on the Colts in a real Brotherfest…
by G Fan in England on Aug 10, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Greeny said we would be 6-10 and Golic said we would be 7-9. Greeny also seemed to think this could be the beginning of the end so to speak, but what can you expect from a Jets fan?
they also predicted the same
type of bleak season complete with a Coughlin firing in 07. That worked out A OK.
No major offseason moves?
Some people are just idiots.
Antrel Rolle? Deon Grant? I mean that’s two guys that fixes our weak point last year.
Bullock gives us a MLB. I mean seriously, do these people even think? We went 8-8 without a defense!
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
It is the Redskins and Eagles as the teams they picked to improve the most, and the Giants will fall to the bottom. Of course everyone’s favorite the Cowwboys will be at the top. I love preseason predictions. Can’t wait till the Giants make people look stupid!
cowboys
won 1 playoff game last year. the last time they’ve won a playoff game besides that was 1996. i would love to know how they’re picked to go to the super bowl year after year
You know, the Giants always "lose the offseason."
The Eagles and ’Skins always win the offseason. Last two years the Eagles were already the Division champs before week 1, the skins were supposed to be like 2nd.
most people loved the Giants moves last offseason
and, of course, they almost universally failed to work out. I’m just fine with not “winning” the offseason.
2009 Did Not Happen
Fans don't care.
As long as these two are healthy and no bruised egos are involved I know I don’t care. I’m sure the Giants are looking for production from the RB position so this decision will usually be dictated by the defense we are facing and how dominant our OL is in any given game. @weejer If sportcasters had to eat their words everytime they were wrong they’d all blow up.
As long as O'hara is fine...the plays start with him...
and Happy 25th, Ed! That’s a long time, congrats!
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
O-Line
This is just a thought, but is there any validity to the thought that we may be using Bradshaw to force the oline to get to spots quicker, to open holes sooner thus making it a little easier for everyone once that tempo has been established?
Or is this a result of who’s healthy and who’s hurt on that line, who’s experienced and who’s learning… are we running Bradshaw to the outside to give guys like Beatty, Beckham, and Pascoe more chances against 1st team Defenses to learn how to get where they need to be.
Jacobs is primarily a between the tackles runner, and I’m wondering if we’re just not emphasizing that portion of our game in practice due to the injuries upfront, and the relative stability in the middle of that line
Congrats Ed (and the Mrs.)...
25 years is a looooong time. Couldn’t you get a suspended sentence….or maybe early release (it appears that it may work for Plaxico) ;-D
Umm ...
Well, if I get sentenced to anything it will be the couch. Which is already occupied by a 55-pound beagle. So, that means I get the floor.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
that's
a f*&^king HUGE beagle. He would be the NT of any all-Beagle team.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 10, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
holy crap ed what do you feed that thing!?
by BronxBeliever on Aug 10, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah right
The owner may say 55lb but that is nearer 80lb.
by G Fan in England on Aug 10, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
'pears to me that piece of
dog flesh got some beagle in it.
In regards to the running game....
I think it’s conceivable that AB could start some games….but I think that at the end of the year Jacobs will have at least 50% of the carries.
so i’m not too caught up on who the “starter” will be
completely off topic
but what have you seen out of Grecco to this point? Do you think he’s got a chance to make the squad?
while I have heard positive things....I don't think so
Practice Squad definitely (if we can get him there).
Grant is not young, Chad Jones is well, who knows, KP could forever be in doubt….keeping him around would be smart IMO, i’m just not sure if he makes the roster.
would just seem to be smart
last year we carried 3 Safeties into the season… and we all know how that ended.
This guy seems like a good fit, he’s about the same size as Grant and appears to be a competent back up. Also big enough to contribute on special teams.
Guess I just don’t wanna see a replay of last season, and with the injury to C Jones I’m hoping we still bring an extra Safety to the roster this season
i agree whole heartedly
but I think Michael Johnson is heads and shoulders in the lead of the #4 Safety spot.
What about
Busing – he was getting good reviews last week – how is he doing this week?
by G Fan in England on Aug 10, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no clue...but he's another guy that we've heard good things about
in fact Merritt was ecstatic that he was back with the team….
I still don’t know how many Safeties this team is willing to carry, but now that you bring it up Busing probably has an advantage over Grecco
the only reason why I say that is because of Dave Merritt's comments though
all i can do is read what Ed and the other Beat Writers are putting out there….that all changes this Saturday when I finally get up to Albany
don't forget Rashad, the other Johnson & V. Anderson (I think)
I haven’t heard anything at all from camp on them, but saw Rashad in the Giants’ highlight video in the background running…
So, not sure if the other Johnson and Vince Anderson are still on team, but I think they were both practice squad guys last year too…
so there seems to be a lot of inexperienced bodies there at safety already…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
That's just the thing....
I haven’t forgotten about them, but I think Grecco and Busing are better options….than Rashad and Anderson
Whos’ the other Johnson?
wasn't there a DJ Johnson? not DJ Ware...
I think Grecco could be better than Anderson, but not sure about Rashad – I thought they were high on him last training camp…plus we just don’t really here much about either Grecco or Rashad to compare. Busing is looking good in the coaches eyes though.
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
yeah, i liked DJ....key being Past tense right there
but yeah, he’s a CB….and he’s not doing anything this year…..he’s not being impressive at all….
I’m sorry I ever went to bat for this kid b/c he’s making me look bad.
just double checked...
DJ Johnson is still there but listed at CB, I thought he may have done some S too last year – he’s certainly big enough at 6’1"
There is also a Seth Williams from Richmond on the squad right now…
"Talent wins 9 games
Discipline wins 11 games
Leadership = World Champions"
-2010 Giants Philosophy
I believe I said this on another post
but I think the carries for Bradshaw mean nothing. Jacobs will start. The fact is that Bradshaw rarely practiced last year. He was too injured to do so. The Giants are just trying to get him some meaningful reps with the first-team offense. That’s how I see it.
"Make sure you don't Dez Bryant me." -- Justin Tuck
. "We're going to put, just like you saw the New Orleans Saints a year ago, you're going to put that guy who does what's best in that situation."
When I see Bradshaw on the sideline on a 3rd and short or goal line situation then that won’t be true a true statement by Coach C.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
i think the real question is
Whose gonna be the third option out of the backfield? We all know big boy and AB will both get there touches, but what about 3rd string? Who’s in the lead there? I personally am rooting for andre brown, since he’s the new young guy, and with ware its kind of been there, seen that. I think that’s the same way we look at gerris Wilkinson now.
I do think, that the odd man out is definitely gartrell.
by wilddre22 on Aug 10, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Especially when TC said his conditioning
looked like rigor mortis. I think Gartrell is on the outs, especially if Brown is practicing well.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as
Jacobs is going to take advice from Tiki on ‘protecting’ himself then I think he should go back to being a goalline guy.
With AB in we can run almost any formation and we’re not so predictable.
i think Big Boy learned his lesson on taking friendly advice
although i do think too much was made of it. people give me advice all the time – i shake my head in agreement and go about how i was doing it before i saw them.
Big Boy said he changed his training techniques this offseason – less focus was put on strengthening exercises, and more was put on agility drills, building his hip flexibility up, etc. so hopefully he will be more adept at running more plays this year as well.
I think
when he starts to run with the same reckless abandon he showed from rookie to ‘08 then I’m sure he’ll receive more carries.
I’d actually like to see the Giants go after Marshawn Lynch.
they'll never go after Lynch
he’s a clown
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 10, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to feature Jacobs in the 4th quarter
I’d like to see the majority of Jacobs’ carries in the 4th. He can attack beat-up, tired, worn out defensive linemen taking it between the tackles to maintain possession for clock management. I can’t recall them ever using him this way, but for me there’s nothing like a boring running game late resulting in a 14 play, 7-8 minute drive for six points.
"‘cause he’s worried about everything, and he tries to win all the time."
-- Francisco Cervelli on Alex Rodriguez
A) he'll never go for it
he would be the unhappiest man in New York. B) what if we’re losing and need to pass to get back in the game? he’d be rendered useless for that game. i think if you need fresh legs late, that’s where Andre Brown and DJ Ware come in. The closers, if you will.
A closer
Exactly, just like a closer. Yeah, if we’re losing, then we’ll be throwing alot and I guess AB is a better outlet for Eli. But if we’re winning I’d feel more comfortable with the ball in his hands for the “save”. I’d like to see Coughlin and Gilbride mix it up like that.
"‘cause he’s worried about everything, and he tries to win all the time."
-- Francisco Cervelli on Alex Rodriguez

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