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'Over & Under': Eli Manning Edition

New York Giants' quarterback Eli Manning had the best statistical season of his six-year career in 2009.

  • A career-best 4,021 yards passing.
  • A career-high 27 touchdown passes.
  • A career-best 93.1 quarterback rating.
  • A career-best 62.2 percent completion percentage.

The Giants' offense was more reliant that ever on Eli's right arm in 2009 as the running game wilted while Manning was finding a whole closet full of new receiving weapons to throw to. Let's use each one of those numbers for our 'Over/Under' game today.

With another year to grow and learn the Giants' receiving corps, and the likelihood in my mind that the NFL's 'pass-first' tendency is not changing any time soon I am taking the 'over' on all of those numbers -- especially the yardage.

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Has to be. If not means the Giants have no hope whatsoever. The running game will not bring them to playoffs. OL has to be better too to make this happen.

by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

4500+ Yards.

30+ Tds.

94+ QB rating.

62+ Comp %

Pro Bowl number two.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

over

on all except possibly completion percentage. new stadium new winds.

by Flynner on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

This should be a good one

And well…I dunno? I want to say the Giants are gonna air it out with all these passing weapons, but I just get a feeling that if the running game is what its supposed to be, that they’ll be running it down people’s throats instead.

I think if anything, they’ll be more efficient.

I say under for the yards and TD’s, but over for the QB rating and completion %.

I think Eli’s gonna have a lot of 250yd and under type games, but be very efficient, like say….17/25 240yds 2TD’s no picks…stuff like that. spread the ball around.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 30, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

i was about to say this too

Buyt under in yards..but over in % and TD.

I think the smash mouth metality will be re-established this year.. not b/c i want it to be but b/c last year was embarassing and from mgm down to the towel boys… they all feel that same way.
We will run it more too.

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

didn't see this before I commented

but I co-sign this statement as well.

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

ova

and imagine if he still had Plax to throw to? damn shame

If you're a real Yankee fan, please do the rest of us a favor and splurge the extra cash on a replica jersey without a last name on the back. Frankly, it's embarassing.

by total hermination on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem with Plax being gone....

if anything, that would make all of this be “under”, since he tended to lock in on Plax and ignore everyone else (tho he kind didn’t’ have a lot of everyone else).

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

Those receiving weapons will be coming out of the closet this year.

by Kissel on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Over on all except yardage......

better running game+ less playing from behind= less yardage but better #s everywhere else.

by bleedblue12 on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Playing time

If you go back over last season’s games, Eli missed almost five quarters of game action because the team was way ahead or way behind. That’s 25-30 passes that he didn’t throw. He could’ve put up more yards.

by GhostDini on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great point.....

but i still stand by my prediction. Thats all it is a prediction. Would i be shocked if he went over no.

by bleedblue12 on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good call by BlledBlue12

I think yards could be down this year.

All I really care about it QB Rating and Completion %….if those #‘s go up I’m a happy man.

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

TD's too....

tho hopefully the Running TD’s go up, especially since they insist on running down there instead of PLAY ACTION TO BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

......MESSAAAAAGE!!

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completion %, YPA, TDs

If these numbers improve, it means that…

Completion percentage: He’s more accurate and in tune with the receivers.
Yards-per-attempt: He’s airing it out more and using the talent around him
TDs: Hopefully, the Giants have improved their 22nd ranking in the red zone.

by GhostDini on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

All the other stats

like passing yards, INTs, and QB rating will be better if those first three stats improve.

by GhostDini on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly....I just want to see Eli improve.

I want to see his completion % most importantly improve.

TD’s are great, and it makes sense that they would go up considering we forgot how to score TD’s last year, but the RBs can get those too…..heck we could kick FGs to victory I don’t really care as long as we win….

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will take the over on everything

I expect a lot of short passes and WR screens to take advantage of Nicks and Ham’s YAC ability.

by Giants56 on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Under>Over if....

The offensive line provides him with the protection that he needs.
He dosen’t throw the ball prematurely in the face of a formidable pass rush.
Attempts more throws in the red zone instead of handing it off to Jacobs or Bradshaw.
Nicks, Manningham & Co. hold on to the ball and run the correct routes.
Throws well against strong defenses as well as he does against the terrible ones.
If…….

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Bleacher site rated the receiver tandems today

First off, I hate the Beacher website in general, it’s all glitz over substance. But it does get me to hit the site with it’s continual email teasers of ratings about everything under the sun in the NFL.
 Anyway, they rated WR tandems and had Smith/Nicks 17, just behind Jackson/Maclin. I actually thought they were rated pretty fairly. overall, with the note that we had potential to rise higher up the rankings as the season wears on. But I thought many other tandems were too high or low.
  Also, Manningham has good enough potential to really take a lot of the throws if he keeps developing. He’s in his third year now, which is when Smith ( and many other NFL receivers) really blossomed.
 I really like all the potential targets Reese has gathered. Barden and Beckum add nice depth and potential to the mix. The competition should leave us with a really nice corp for Manning has he hits his prime years. As much as Coughlin may hate it, he may be forced to go to the air more if it proves to be our strength over the running game.

by ronjohnson on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

hmmm

Under = 3,900 to 4,000 yards
Over = 29 to 32 TDs (14 Ints – just for fun :)
Under = 92% Passer rating
Under = 60% Completion percentage

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Jul 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Eli improves steadily.

O line should improve or at least remain at last year’s level
That means the overall O should improve
Hard to say where the stats will wind up. Could be over or under depending on a variety of factors.

by blue gonz on Jul 30, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget

hopefully a healthy year with no nagging foot pain that makes hime adjust his motion. I say over on all except maybe completion percentage; it may take him time to learn the new wind patterns if they are tricksy.

We need more toilet paper, I'm taking my talents to South Beach.

by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 30, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll go with under on TD passes and passing yardage...

and over on the other two stats – completion percentage and quarterback ranking. I think four factors will come into play. One, there’s the obvious injury wildcard. Second, I think the defense will be better but that mean both a reduction in points allowed, but also a reduction in time of possession for the offense, as I think opponents aren’t going to get as many big yardage plays, and will have to actually attempt drives through the defense, rather than passing over the secondary. Third, I expect our running game to be better. And fourth, I think the team overall will be more competetive, so we win more games, have more situations where we want to run out the clock, and fewer where we’re playing from well behind and chucking the ball down the field.

by Cranky50 on Jul 30, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Over on all including one stat not mentioned WINS

Not taking injuries, winds, moon phases, game time temperature, or pre-game meals into effect. I just consulted my ouija board…

by almonte96b on Jul 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

OVEEEERRRRR

and why do people think that a better running game will limit this passing offense, not true at all, i say this because this defense should be 3 and out specialists this year meaning the offense will have a lot more time of possession so even with a good run game i think we will air it out given the amount of opportunities we should have.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Jul 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

But the running game will take more time off the clockq

especially if effective.

And if the D plays like we hope, that means less come from behind games like we seemed to always be in last season… equalling in less pass attempts..

my 2cents

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Jul 30, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the running game opened up play action

Eli is the king of play action pass. I don’t see too many deep passes, but plenty of 20-30yd passess by defenses respecting the run…

by almonte96b on Jul 30, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over in completion % and QB rating

under in everything else. Running the ball, Defense that inflicts pain on the opposing offense, the return of Giants football baby!

Is it Sept yet!

by Mother Tucker on Jul 30, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The Giants have a bountiful booty of Bs

Boss, Beckum, Barden, Brown – they should be your options in the red zone.

by GhostDini on Jul 30, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus

Brandon & Bradshaw

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Jul 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 too many Gs....

the only thing that can hold back the Bs is the 1 G. Kevin Gilbride.

by bleedblue12 on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

We all kind of agree...

Eli only has upside at this stage in the game. As great as Peyton was, they’re like fine wine getting better with age. Now, Peyton may be on his way down back to earth (still elite comparatively for the league) but Eli still has his best years in front of him. Not to mention last year we all were questioning what the receiving corps looked like.

All three receivers starting or projected to start (Smith, Nicks and Manningham) have oodles of talent that Eli can exploit and Smith and Nicks have demonstrated incredible chemistry with Eli (Manningham has some work to do but is a home run threat every time he’s on the field). I can’t forget to mention Boss becoming more of a security blanket for Eli as he’s maturing. I’m crazy excited for what Eli is going to do this year. How much more upside could a QB have coming in to this year? He could have 2009 Favre-like numbers.

I think everyone’s greatest concerns this year were the things we thought would be solid last year (i.e. defense, running game).

In Reese We Trust

by jmark82 on Jul 31, 2010 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As we all know

the offense performed well enough last save the red zone glitch which might well have been a coaching lapse and not a problem with the players.

I don’t see Peyton coming down to earth at all. He is still head and shoulders above anyone else. I do agree with you that Eli is really coming on and is showing much better poise and is making better reads. I expect record numbers in passing this year, but since the competition in the NFC East is so tough we still have our work cut out for us.

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 31, 2010 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

As a follow up...

We still have a critical need to improve our special teams coverage and return teams. And our kicking game is sub par.

The defense may not find it’s rhythmm this year, so we can’t count on them to win many games for us like they did in 07. Better defensive coaching may help us but I think it will take a number of games to get it just right.

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 31, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed....

but one thing that gets lost with the Bulluck signing is that now Goff and Dilliard will be available for special teams. That along with a new strong legged kickoff man our coverage teams should be greatly improved. Ross should return punts IMO he has a quick first step and is shifty in tight places. As far as the DC goes when the players buy in to their DC (which it seems they have) it doesnt take long to be effective. Im not saying there wont be growing pains but i think Perry Fewell is perfect for this team. He chased down Cweb after an INT in practice 30 yrds down the field to celebrate with him. Its not that big a deal but it just shows the players that his heart is in this too. All the players on the team noticed it and thats what Bill Sheridan didnt have.

by bleedblue12 on Jul 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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