Garafolo: Umenyiora Told He Needs Hip Surgery
by Ed Valentine on Jul 27, 2010 7:45 AM EDT
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New York Giants' defensive end Osi Umenyiora will play on despite being told he needs surgery to correct a troublesome hip condition, according to a report this morning by Mike Garafolo of the Star-Ledger.
Earlier this month, Umenyiora traveled to the Steadman Clinic in Vail, Colo., to visit noted hip specialist Marc Philippon, according to someone informed of the trip and Philippon's diagnosis. The person, who requested anonymity because neither the Giants nor Umenyiora's camp has discussed his condition, said Philippon recommended surgery to repair side effects from a torn hip flexor that kept Umenyiora out of five games in 2006.
The person said Philippon, who has performed hip surgeries on the Yankees' Alex Rodriguez, the Ravens' Ed Reed, former Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner and several other high-profile athletes, scheduled Umenyiora's operation for the near future. But Philippon, Umenyiora and the Giants' medical staff eventually agreed to pass on surgery for now and try to manage the injury because he won't make it worse by playing through it.
A Giants spokesman declined comment. Umenyiora's agent, Tony Agnone, wrote in a text message he was unavailable to speak on the matter because he was visiting clients Monday. Umenyiora, who will report to training camp with his teammates on Sunday, could not be reached for comment.
Umenyiora has been able to play through and manage his hip pain the past few seasons. He led the Giants with seven sacks last season and had 13 in 2007 before missing all of 2008 with a knee injury. However, this spring the hip injury was worse than it had been during recent off-seasons. The Giants even cited the hip as a reason for his being absent from an organized team activities practice.
I have two immediate thoughts. First, you have to wonder how much the hip will affect his performance. Perhaps playing limited snaps will end up being a necessity. Secondly, with this news the first-round selection of defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul doesn't look quite so much like a 'luxury' pick anymore.
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I already had doubts about Osi
Now I fear this will be his life preserver of an excuse when he goes out there and messes the bed… again.
And don’t quo9te forced fumbles and sack numbers at me, dude is a swinging gate for the run.
that is a very negative approach to this
I don’t think he wanted to have an excuse for having a down season, I think osi wanted to come in and re cement his name as one of the more feared ends in the league.
Also, maybe the best end in the league is Dwight freeney, and he makes his name, bones, and money off of his forced fumble and sack numbers. And he’s pitiful against the run. So yes, you can’t ignore one side of the argument, both have to be taken into acct when discussing osi. Fact is, coming off an injury, he still led our team in sacks and was behind only tuck in ff.
by wilddre22 on Jul 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Read MG's story
Osi figured it was his normal flare-up since it happens every off-season. He only got concered when it did not subside as it has in the past.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 27, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Normal?
I would have to question his use of the term normal. Yeah, I got ya, I am not and NFLer so I don’t have a clue what their bodies go through and what it takes to recover. However, I do understand what it takes to work. As an NFLer, their tools are their body. Don’t you think, even if something was “normal”, you would bring it up to somebody within the organization? My hips hurt? Whatever it may be. Let trainers know. These guys have a responsibility to their organization to report everything, in detail, that is going on with them. Just like the military I tell you. This way, no questions are ever left. Shoot, you’re getting paid millions and millions of dollars and you have to count on your body being there for you. Makes sense, doesn’t it?
So again, I support BigBlue4Life’s question in why wasn’t this addressed in January?
Normal
Meaning he has his issues every spring. Not normal as in ‘OK.’
by Ed Valentine on Jul 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I understood what u meant Ed.....
but perhaps he should’ve thought about the surgery in Jan or maybe even earlier considering Osi and the whole defenses struggles last season.
by bleedblue12 on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I know what you mean...
Ed, I know what you mean. You make good points that is for sure. All I can remember is that story Jerome Bettis did his final season. Man that guy could hardly walk on Monday’s. I can’t imagine what these guys feel like the day after a game. One thing is for certain, the trainers and Docs need to take care of these guys; however, if they don’t know, what can they do? It’s a double edged sword and only times like this will make people point fingers. I just hope Osi’s and it doesn’t hurt his long-term potential.
I am just hoping for a good season because I am in need of some football. You know you’re ready for football season when you’re reading Cowboy’s camp stories. Bad!
THATS TOO FUNNY!!!!!!
Ive been doing the same thing lol
Now
I believe that might force the G-Men’s hand after this season, doubt they would have kept
both him and Kiwi anyhow. I can see where this is headed.
"It's a shame that it happened that way for Coghlan," Girardi said. "A.J.'s had a lot of practice at it and seems pretty efficient at it.
Left unsaid by Girardi is, "I wish he could become that efficient on the mound".
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
NYG medical staff
Said he should be fine without surgery, that is why he cancelled the scheduled surgery earlier this year. He got a 2nd opinion and they confirmed what he already knew. With the depth we have now, he should just get it over with. Obviously it would have been better if he’d gotten it in January, but again team doctors told him not to worry about it.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/osi_feeling_hip_aaQlJhnRCDQRCjXbixaRyI
Docs...
Most certainly does not help his case if his own docs are telling him he’ll be fine and can play through it. Shoot, if anything, this gives us a chance to see a little more of Kiwi, potentially. I mean come on, really, honestly, this D couldn’t be any worse than last year…could it? Not with the signings of Rolle and Bulluck. At least I hope not! Why do I have the feeling Bulluck will be worth is 1 year contract, and that’s it? Hope I am wrong on that, big time!
Also explains
why he was not traded as he would be unlikely to pass the medical.
So a creaking gate in the running game becomes a creaking gate injury wise.
This will also have a factor in futre contract extension talks.
by G Fan in England on Jul 27, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions
Another super-annoying injury "revelation"...
I am in full agreement with BigBlue4Life here. Except for one thing: I don’t think it should have been addressed in January. With the Giants season going the way it did and Osi’s play deteriorating, he should have been shut down in November and had this surgery before the holidays.
Now he’s dragging this bum hip into a huge season and setting himself up for failure. It’s times like this when the Giants look like the Mets.
Troubling
Yeah, JPP pick makes more sense now.
Too bad Giants could not/did not trade Osi and at least get something for him.
Now watch him have a great season. Nice problem to have if he does.
Well...
This should effectively end the “End” argument. Put Kiwi in there and use Osi as an exclusive pass rusher. Gotta limit his snaps so we have him for the entire season.
and now we have a built in explanation to give him when he starts whining about not getting enough snaps
by BronxBeliever on Jul 27, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
here we go again...
now we need aaron ross and a DT or two to get hurt and were right where we left off.
by THE GAP WILL NEVER DIE on Jul 27, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 27, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions
Since you already facepalmed
Picard has to express his feelings in another way:
While were at it...
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 27, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he shouldve had it taken care of it already
no matter if you can play through it, your supposed to take care of it in the off season, i mean Boley took care of his and came back in a few weeks (much respect), I think Osi didnt have the surgery now because he knows he wouldnt be able to compete with Kiwi for the starter spot even though we all know Kiwi wins that thing without an issue…….. Im not dwn on Osi though, he can still pass rush with this issue and thats what he does best anyway.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I dont think yuo can be mad at the guy for wanting to go out there and compete for his job. obviously its a disapointment that he’s not going to be healthy for the season, but if the reason he didnt was because he wanted to fight for the starting spot i cant be too mad at the guy (well maybe a little)
by BronxBeliever on Jul 27, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
One could make the argument that the selfish thing at this point would be to get the surgery and be ready to show the world he’s healthy down the stretch of the season. Second guessing this decision will get us nowhere. I’d get it fixed, but he and the Giants have made the decision to play through it. We’ll just have to see how this turns out.
Idk...
However, this spring the hip injury was worse than it had been during recent off-seasons. The Giants even cited the hip as a reason for his being absent from an organized team activities practice.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 27, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he's older now
everything usually hurts more as you get extra rings around the tree.
Maybe you gotta look at it differently then the ACL? Completely different injury, and obviousl Osi’s played with this before while the ACL really doesn’t matter if you had it before, its gonna affect your performance.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true.
We’ll see we’ll see. I just really hope this doesn’t become one of those things we have to constantly use to defend for sub-par play.
I want him to be 2007 Osi as much as anyone. Beleeee dat.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 27, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to nitpick u....
he also tore his MCL.
Where do you see that?
Back in 2008 a lot of places wrote that he had a torn MCL. I believe that was erroneous. News reports in 2009 and 2010 about his recovery don’t mention an MCL injury. They all say torn meniscus.
The MCL is a ligament and the meniscus is cartilage. Generally speaking, MCL injuries take a minimum of six months to rehab and a fully torn meniscus takes a maximum of two months to rehab. For a world-class athlete with access to comprehensive rehab medical staff and facilities, it can take even less time. Osi said that he felt good enough to return in October 2008 – two months after his injury. That’s consistent with a fully torn meniscus tear. If it had been an MCL injury, there is absolutely no way he could have recovered that quickly.
I always said that I didn’t think Osi worked out hard enough in his rehab. I never bought the 2-year grace period for his recovery. Boley had in-season surgery to repair a partially torn meniscus and was back in four weeks.
No Strahan to carry him
and no useless Justice to give him half his sack total.
well
I know athletes…really don’t want to be go under the knife…this isn’t a new injury…But I do wonder why it seems like players /teams wait so long to address certain injuries !
Regroup refocus..retool...
by Mr.Williams on Jul 27, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The odd thing is
It will not get worse if he plays with it – but if he misses practice because of it he is not at 100% and will not be the whole season.
So we are faced with say an 80% Osi for the season.
It just does not make sense given what happened last year with all the injured players playing.
by G Fan in England on Jul 27, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions
what the hell
this is terrible timing.. he should have seen someone soon as the season was over with. Not sure on the estimated time for healing and being able to get back on the field.. but its obvious he doesnt want surgery now b/c that will cement the starting DE spot for Kiwi. And this position battle has been much looked forward to by Osi, not only to play but to prove all the negative bias and doubters wrong too.
Kinda feel bad for osi.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
arg....
kinda hard to back Osi throughout this entire awful year only to turn around and learn that he’s still not back to healthy.
Now he should have surgery but is opting not to?!?!
this reminds me of Tuck and Jacobs last year….
If Kiwi does not start this year than he really doesn’t deserve to be here any longer.
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
Start schmart
No matter who starts the game Osi now has to share snaps.
Flynner said it:
Well… This should effectively end the "End" argument. Put Kiwi in there and use Osi as an exclusive pass rusher. Gotta limit his snaps so we have him for the entire season.
This MIGHT not be a lot different than originally planned. The thing is, Osi has to perform. Won’t know for awhile if this makes him less effective in limited snaps.
my question is.....
is Osi now an upgrade over Kiwi as a pass rusher?
they’re both the same kinda player (better pass rushers).
Tuck was a shell of himself last year, Hedgecock, Jacobs the same.
It’s not so much a matter of “starting” or not….but more so just being able to play. If the Doctors are saying he should have surgery than it can’t be a good thing.
I"m looking at this as a total wash for Osi this year…..I just don’t know how effective he will be, in any capacity, let alone starting.
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
This
Reminds of the A-Rod injury after his hip surgery where he did play through it after rehab and ended up not having the second procedure because the rehab was so effective. Same surgeon too. Relax it may be OK.
2 surgeries at once?????
its hard enough to rehab an ACL injury alone but to add another surgery to that would’ve severely hampered his recovery time.
by bleedblue12 on Jul 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
doesn't seem it was an issue then.
it says that its something that Osi’s basically always dealt with. He’s used to it (sorta like the back issue that JPP says he gets whenever he starts running football drills).
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
thats why having both surgeries back to back would’ve been a bad idea. If he cant hurt it worse and its not going to effect his play then let him go out there and make plays.
by bleedblue12 on Jul 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i hate to read this
I still stand by my statement, a healthy osi this year is a dangerous osi! Now we may not get to see that. Maybe never….
by wilddre22 on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He should be fine.....
he needs to play as an exclusive pass rusher this year and let Kiwi start.
by bleedblue12 on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I already had Kiwanuka pegged as the starter
and I thought had no shot of overtaking him so this changes nothing for me. Still though, we should have traded him like I said to back in Jan./Feb. We could’ve gotten something for him instead of having him for a 3rd bad season in a row. Osi was already a one-dimensional player when he was healthy. Now even that has been compromised. I’ll never understand why fans thought that at 261 lbs. Osi was ever going to be a real force again except as a situational pass rusher. Just by looking at him you could tell that Osi hadn’t worked out hard enough in his year of rehab. He’s practically a linebacker. I wasn’t buying any of this “2 years after surgery” talk. Osi has never been a workout warrior.
Both Osi and Tuck have injury issues that they should have had corrected by now. Osi had surgery to repair his torn meniscus. Why didn’t he get this fixed back then? He was going to be out for a year anyway. Don’t tell me that it’s too much to handle at once. It was doable. Tuck has been a real baby about his bone spurs. Instead of getting them surgically repaired – something that plenty of people have done with great success – he opts to rehab it every off-season. Then every training camp we have to hear about how it’s flaring up and in Coughlin speak, “Tuck has a foot.” Boss had his foot issues corrected. Bradshaw had his corrected. What’s Tuck’s problem?
I had Kiwi starting too...
this just cements Kiwi as the favorite for the starting DE position.
by bleedblue12 on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
everything you said about osi
Can be said for kiwi.
Is it too early to get the jpp chant going?
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
by andiamo708 on Jul 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not quite
Kiwi hasn’t shown to be as dynamic as Osi in rushing the passer but Kiwi isn’t as anemic in run defense as Osi is either. You know that I think Kiwi will get better now that he has a full training camp with the 1s and won’t have to come off the bench. This is Kiwi’s big year.
Kiwi has no injury problem. He got a little tired at the end of 2008 but he’s been a reliable player.
Lastly, he decided to ante up in the weight room this off-season and has become stronger. I believe he’s even gained some weight. At 6’5, getting to 270 lbs. would put Kiwi right where he needs to be.
I agree that MG is quite good
but I like Ralph. The two of them are about the only two I can stand.
blurgh! - me
im not worried about it
Kiwi isnt that much of a dropoff, our safety corp is alot better. Picking up bulluck helps a bit, and we have JPP for situational pass rush. I know everyone wants to panic, but he said he is going to play. Its not like the cowboys losing ware, or the vikings losing allen. its Osi with a hip problem, that he is going to work through. Cmon its an injury he is going to play through.
Giants left holding the bag again....
Same way they did with Jason Sehorn, they did not learn.
In both cases, the Giants could have dealt a player that would have brought them premium compensation – both players were at impact positions in relative primes of their career….. Either player would have brought something close to a 1st round pick AFTER their knee injuries………..
And instead, they will hold onto them as they break down, their production declines and their value declines and they get nothing in return…….
I love Reese and what he has done – but I will say again – holding onto all these DE’s with glaring needs throughout the Defense and then drafting Paul was a MISTAKE. SOMEONE at DE should have been dealt before the draft, and I have no idea how it was not Osi.
My dentist
My dentist recommends things all the time. He’s full of crap. Just because a doctor recommends something does not mean it is needed. Heck, my car rental place recommends insurance every time!!!!!
Just because it was recommended to solve a 4 year old injury does not mean he’s done for the year!
You just wait
till it hurts and get the root canal, don’t you? Your dentist must love you. He certainly makes a lot more money that way.
Someone has a PhD...
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I always preferred D.D.S
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 28, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Another big fail by the Giants medical staff
I don’t understand how the Giants why they continue with the same clowns
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
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