Does Training Camp Start Date Really Matter?
by Ed Valentine on Jul 24, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintRookies reported as the Cleveland Browns began their NFL training camp Friday, the first team to do so. The Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots and San Diego Chargers will all hold their initial practices this weekend.
Our New York Giants? They don't hold their first workout at UAlbany until Aug. 1, more than a week from now. For the second consecutive season that will make the Giants the final NFL team to begin training camp. Why the disparity? Also, does this put the Giants at a competitive disadvantage heading into the Sept. 12 season-opener against the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers, by the way, open camp of July 28.
NFL rules prohibit teams from starting training camp until 15 days prior to a team's first exhibition game. The Giants don't open their exhibition season until Aug. 16 against the New York Jets. For the Jets, incidentally, rookies report on July 29 and veterans report on Aug. 1, thus technically making both New York teams the last ones to get started.
I actually went to Pat Traina of Inside Football for a full explanation of the rules. Here is what she told me.
The rule, as I understand it is that teams can't open their training camp for veterans more than 15 days prior to the first pre-season game. They can open camp up to seven days prior to the veteran reporting date for rookies and first-year players -- this is what the Jets are doing. Many teams have their rookies come in a week early and then the veterans report; however because the Giants keep their rookies for an extra week after OTAs and mini camps, they haven't had the rookies report early in years.
For the Browns, veterans do not actually report until July 30. Cleveland will hold 20 full-squad training camp practices before breaking camp on Aug. 19. The Giants, with both rookies and veterans reporting Aug. 1, actually have 23 practices scheduled before breaking camp on Aug. 20. The Panthers have 24 practices on their camp calendar, not a big difference from the Giants calendar despite a different starting day.
Remember that the Giants started the season 5-0 in 2009 despite being the last team to report, and despite playing two pre-season games four days less than a week apart, screwing up an entire week of pre-season practice.
So, is there a conclusion that can be drawn? Not really, except that it's tough to keep waiting for the Giants to get going when it seems like everyone else has a head start.
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How about every teams starts on the last Monday of the last full week of July? Or any fixed date for every team to start 3 weeks prior to games.
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The G-Men seem to be the least publicized franchise in the NFL and at this time of the year I (and probably most fans) are champing at the bit to get some real news from training camp, ergo Aug 1st seems a long way away.
why does it matter?
I have always wondered why it matters when teams have their players report. Isn’t that or shouldn’t that be a team’s decision? If hey want them to report in early July, let them. Who cares? Why should it be so restrictive? If they get burned out because they reported so early, or more injuries, well, so be it. Let that be a team decision.
In addition why are these rules about reserve players, IRs, PUPs, etc. even in place?
Why should any entity monitor the number of players a team can carry before the season starts? If a team wants to have 100 players on the roster, let it. I do understand the system in place for meeting the player quotas during the pre-season, but, here, again, why are there so few players on every team?
Why be so restrictive?
Why not have 65 or so, plus the “taxi” squad? And why not give the teams more freedom in moving players to and from the taxi squads and IR, as baseball does?
What does this accomplish? And why?
And while you’re at it, why did it take BP so long to cap that oil spill? (Bet you all can answer that one more easily!)
Good questions, 77,
especially the BP one.
Incidentally, the latest conspiracy theory, akin to the 9/11 false flag theory (i.e., a joint US-Israeli operation) is that the BP explosion was sabotage by unnamed foreign powers angry at Anglo-American centuries-long world finacial hegemony culminating in twenty years of fraud capped by the Mortgage Backed Securities scam. Those MBS securities were sold as safe to every level of government world wide (eg, town councils in Norway.)
I have my doubts re the official story.
Too many holes in the story.
But the false flag theory is too scary to invest in. I shy away from it.
Like the JFK assassination. He pissed off the military and the financial elite. He came into office already knowing things that most presidents never learn about how things work(through his father.)
well.
I’m old enough to well remember that day in November, 1963, and, unfortunately for me, I will never ever believe in the lone gunman, or that Oswald even pulled the kill shot.
I even walked around the “grassy knoll” and the Book Depository a few years ago and I just can’t buy Oswald at all. Hell, they way they’ve set that “museum” up, they don’t buy it either. One bullet?
Aside from the movie, JFK, there’s a great movie which sort of goes into that mess- THE PACKAGE with Gen Hackman.
Giant insecurity
To CAMP: Yeah, I’ve always felt that the Giants were one of the least publicized teams in the league. I used to check it off as just a fans desire to see more of his team and being on constant watch out for any slights thrown his Giants’ way. But I really do believe this now. Most highlight/montage sequences for ads and promos do not feature the Giants, and never have — The NFL Networks main promo aside. There’s always lots of Cowboys, Ravens, Browns even, but very little G-Men. Also, sports talk: truly miserable franchises get lots of gab, the Giants not so much. Even after their Super Bowl years, the main focus would go to some other team. It’s strange. Maybe it’s a delusion. But I think not. Anybody else notice this?
I have as well.
Even on the night that they had won the superbowl they got minimal exposure on tv, radio, etc. The Jets got more exposure and they were sorry to death. I chalked it up to this. Maybe teams have to pay for exposure in a way similar to the way superbowl commercial space is sold. other then that the only thing I can think of is hate. My NJ Devils get treated that way too.sweetness
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 24, 2010 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Jets have gotten more exposure
since the Giants moved to NJ. Prior to that, the Giats were media darlings. Since then, I believe the NYC media consider the Giants as not truly an NYC team. And they’re not. They’re an NYC metro area team.
We’ll see what happens to the Jets now that they’re in Jersey. too.
Confused Blue.
Both teams carry the NY name. Both have always played in NJ. What do you mean " the
Jets now that they’re in NJ too?"
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 24, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta agree with the Giants not getting lots of coverage
Of all the New York Teams (Yankees, Mets, Rangers, etc.) they seem to get the least of what I call the “OMG New York City TEAM THEY”RE TEH AWESOMEST"
Which as a Jersey native suits me just fine.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
no
They both moved to New Jersey in , what? 1976. The Giants had played in Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds for 50 years, and the Jets at the Polo Grounds and Shea Stadium for 16 years.
Oh, ok.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LO, 77
Pardon my senior citizen moment. I’m left with no explanation for the Jets getting more media. 77, the Giants played in the Yale Bowl for a couple of years.
Yeah, I knew that, but it was while they were waiting for the new stadium
The point for LoNJDTechnology was that neither team originated or played its entire history in New Jersey.
I’ll bet you not too many people knew that the original Jets ( Titans as they were called) played in the Polo Grounds at all or that the greatest QB in the first 50 years (Sammy Baugh- with a nod to Johnny U.) was their first head coach.
They also ( The Giants) used to play one pre-season game a year at Yale Bowl. I went to a few in August.
Grange77, blue gonz
Thank you for the lesson guys.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And Harry Wismer the owner(pretty well known then) and Wahoo McDaniel and
Dick Christie as players.
Anyway, I figured out what I think i was groping for to explain apparent media favoritism for the Jets The Post is the worst, I believe), which I has not been the case historically. Until they went into the deal with the Giants for the new stdium, haven’t they been floating stories about moving back to NYC
Nope, only Christie played for the Titans
Wahoo came to the Jets in their first year ot two. My wife told me. ( I’m really losing it.)
Wahoo was from Denver
They picked him up in ‘64 or ’63- they were at Shea by then. Yeah, I could look it up, don’t want to.
But an original Titan, and the only one on the Super Bowl team was Larry Gratham, linebacker.
I'm pretty sure 63 was their first year.
Wahoo was with Houston earlier, and later did well as a pro wrestler. Played for yet another Pro team first (Miami?) I didn’t remember Grantham as an original Titan but I remembered one played in the Jets SB win.
Did you see any regular season games at Yale Bowl? I saw maybe half-a-dozen, every one a loss. Those years playing there were probably the worst two back-to-back years by any Giants team, 3-4 total wins as I recall. Webster, Arnsparger,Snead and Morton. Argh! Things picked up at Shea They won 5-6 there. Nightmarish memories.
looked him up
Wahoo played one year (1960) with Houston, next three with Denver, next two with Jets, then last couple with Miami.
He became a professional wrestler, died in ’02.
Full blooded American Indian.
You're younger than I thought.
Lots of historical knowledge, though.
Not that young, either
The Giants started playing in the Yale Bowl before the Viet Nam peace accords were signed and were playing in Shea after the last American troops were withdrawn.
After
After I was discharged I moved to Boston and did not see a Giant game again until late 1978 when I returned to Connecticut.
The game I saw?
The Fumble Game.
No one forgets that play
In retrospect, funny because it says so much about what the Giants were for so many long years. Jersey Joe was scapegoated for that play. After all, he didn’t call it.
I have a vague recollection that McDaniel
and Buonaconte have some connection other than both having played for Miami and were short. Anybody know if there is one?
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