Giants By The Numbers: 91 Is For ...
by Ed Valentine on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe best -- in my opinion -- defensive lineman the New York Giants currently have is a worthy choice for this number. Again, though, I have to point out that I can't find any evidence of a Giants' player having worn the 91 jersey before Charlie Burgess donned it for two games in 1987. So, the 91 jersey has a short history.
Tuck has 29 quarterback sacks in five NFL seasons after being drafted out of Notre Dame in the third round of the 2005 draft. He had 10 sacks in 2007 and a career-high 12 in 2008, when he went to the Pro Bowl and was named All Pro.
He had just six sacks in 2009 when he was hampered by a shoulder injury. The Giants need a healthy Tuck putting up 2008-style numbers in 2010.
Other Notables Who Wore No. 91
- Charlie Burgess (LB, 1987): First player I can find who wore the number. He appeared in only two games.
- Coleman Rudolph (LB, 1994-96). Came over from the New York Jets, and was a reserve for three seasons.
- Ryan Phillips (LB, 1997-2000): Was a starter his final two seasons with the Giants, and had 51 solo tackles in 1999.
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slim pickings
Tuck in a landslide. He desrved super bowl Mvp along with rest of d-line
by FrankB03 on Jul 23, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I will give Tuck the 91 No.
But best Giants defensive lineman? Uh….no.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
"currently have"
Either you misread that or you think Osi and/or Kiwanuka are better than Tuck. Either way, you’re wrong…
2009 Did Not Happen
No, I didn't misread.
I don’t think Kiwa is the best so…..you have my answer and if lovin Osi is wrong I don’t wanna be right.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
Osi’s cool. He ain’t even strartin’ tho…you think he’s gonna win dat jawn back?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I don't.
I think he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way when he spoke out last year. Even if his performance improves, his actions last year will always overshadow his achievements.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the sentence again
Best defensive lineman ‘the New York Giants currently have." No. 92 doesn’t play anymore.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you're getting all the younger fans now.
As you pointed out, there were very few, if any players, wearing a uniform with a #90 or above on it much before 25 years ago, so us older fans can’t really jump in on the Giants’ numbers. I mean how many Giants have even worn those numbers- though Strahan certainly ranks with the very best all time. There was one exception in the NFL/AFL, though- George Webster, who wore #90 on his three teams, through 1974. ( Though maybe the old AFL, then AFC may have allowed the numbers, don’t know).
Webster was, next to Butkus, the very best college defensive back/linebacker I ever saw. In fact his number was retired at Michigan State.
He just died at 62 in 2007, but had lost the use of part of his hands and feet and I think one side of his body, and his family tried to get NFL to help out.
It didn’t , of course.
i hope he responds and has a monster season
We need the ferocity of the 08 d-line.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
blue gonz???
If you’re out there,please take a moment and read what I posted on Pat Summerall, just below your last post for #88. I completely missed that number for some reason and was late to that party- and nobody goes back and reads them two days later.
Anyway, I would love to read your opinion ( and Ed’s, if he’s reading this) of what I posted- if you have the time.
Nothing much for me to write and/or comment on about/ with these players in the ’90s numbers.
Other than Strahan, slim pickings and incomplete careers.
Thanks
#98
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes- you're correct again- Armstead, but...
still not too many in all.
Yes, Jesse Armstead was very, very good for the Giants, not Strahan good, but certainly the second best 90s player- though I’m sure you’ll correct me again, if I’m wrong.
Nobody else really comes to mind...
Just can’t forget about oleeeee 98
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
LOVE that pic.
too bad he didn’t keep Ben’s head for a souvenir.
and by default he deserves this, that being said I need to see him show up and be the guy he’s capable of being for a couple more years before i put him on any all time lists for the Giants.
Tuck definitely gets the nod.
But I can’t help but like Coleman Rudolph for the “home value pick”. We wrestled together a lot, conditioned a lot, ran many a mile together, and I am good friends with the family. He grew up and played football in Valdosta, GA, which is a serious high school football mecca. He then went on to be pretty darn good at Georgia Tech. His dad, Jack, also played football and was a pretty nasty dude.
Ah, forget it – he was nowhere near the best who wore the number….it’s just cool seeing an old friend’s name up there.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
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Let Us Start A Movement: Bring Back Tyree and Get Rid of Moss!
he helped us win that bling
and violated Tom Brady all night in that game – 91 is his
by total hermination on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Tuck
I regard Tuck to be the best defensive player we have on the team.
As for the superbowl, the whole team won it as a team and it took every single one of them to take care of each other and the game to win it for us. Now, as for MVP for the game, Eli deserved that award. Without him we would not have won. Without Eli we would not have had that great offense in the 4th quarter. Few days ago we debated over # 85 and the case was made for Tyree who made some good plays in that game but without Eli escaping that sack it would not have happened. Eli is an equal co-hero of that play.
Honestly, at times Eli is frustrating to watch. We barely made it to the playoffs in 2007. Eli matured in that post-season and had an error free post-season. The sole interception in the post-season (superbowl) was not his fault.
If Tuck is not our best player on our current team, then he is the best defensive player for sure.
Not taking anything away from Tuck, Eli did deserve that MVP.
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I can’t say that Tuck is a better player than Kiwanuka, Kiwanuka didn’t play much yet, plus they tryed to switch him to a LB than switch him back, if he played lineman from day one and never switch the position, you never know how good Kiwanuka would have been, Tuck is a great player but can’t say that Kiwanuka won’t be as good or even better, I hope they both will be the best in the future, they both do their job great right now, if Kiwanuka wasn’t doing a great job, Osi would have played on a lot more plays, last year. and if Tuck’s shoulder didn’t bother him last year, GIants would have had the best d-line in the league, and never know how they would have ended their season, but Tuck alone wouldn’t be able to do the great job, and same Kiwanuka, just like when Straihan and Osi played together great, now its Tuck and Kiwanuka. We are talking about #91 and it belongs to Tuck and he deserves to be wearing it, and hope for a while more on the Giants, and injury free.
This is a good point
The Giants don’t do it often, but they really have mismanaged Kiwi early in his career, who knows what level he could be playing at this season had he been playing end his entire career.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 24, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree....
First of all Tuck has been slowed tremendously by injuries. And while Kiwi did suffer a broken leg he did it when he was a LB. When both players are healthy it’s blatantly obvious Tuck is the superior player.
On top of that….the Giants LOVE pass rushers, yet they felt compelled to move Kiwi to LB? They did that clearly because at the time they thought he was a “tweener”.
The plain truth is that Kiwi has not nearly lived up to expectations. He had an entire year at DE in ’08 and really hit the wall in the 2nd half of the season when Tuck, Cofield, and Robbins were slowed with injuries and could no longer command double teams.
Also going back to ’08 Tuck clearly had the superior year and he was the guy that the Oline was most concerned with.
Factor in the fact that while Kiwi may have not started a lot last year he still saw plenty of playing time, and I really did not see anything from him that would indicate that he is even close to Tuck’s level when Tuck is healthy.
Kiwi’s pass rush is also very one dimensional and ofter times he keeps zero contain on the edge….which is exactly what Osi’s problem was last year (first year back after knee surgery). But you can never say that about Tuck.
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
I didn’t see a debate about 85 I missed it, Tyree is a good player, and made the best play, together with Eli, it wasn’t even the throw that Eli made, it was how he got away from the defenders before throwing, but David Tyree is no Stephen Baker.
Del Shofner
Would have been the one to get the honor for #85 had Tyree not won it, as he was the best player to wear the number without question.
Stephen Baker got a good mention though.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 24, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The debate
Wait till you go and read that debate. whoaaaaa.
Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but it is a calling!
Lets Us Start A: Bring Back Tyree and Get Rid of Moss Movement!
If you have a great defensive lineman on one side, and not a good one, on the other, the other team will be running all day long away from a great lineman, but if you have a good lineman on both sides, its hard to know which way to run, who would have a better day, or on what play, the other team has to pick it’s poison and its good that the Giants have both Tuck and Kiwanuka.
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