Are The Giants' Linebackers Really This Bad?
Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports has been doing position rankings in advance of the upcoming NFL season. When he ranked linebacking units recently, Cole put the Giants' group 30th out of the 32 NFL teams.
Here is what Cole said about the Giants' linebackers.
The disintegration of Antonio Pierce was both sad and fascinating to watch last year. After helping the Giants to a Super Bowl title in the 2007 season, Pierce was still solid in 2008. But by 2009, his series of injuries caught up to him and forced him to retire. Now, the Giants must not only rebuild, but replace the most focused, dutiful leader the team had. Ouch. Outside linebacker Michael Boley was pretty good last year when he was healthy, but the rest of the group is a collective question mark with the likes of Clint Sintim, Jonathan Goff and Chase Blackburn.
Well, OK. Hard to argue with Cole's logic. But, 30th out of 32 teams? Are they really that bad? Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I don't see this unit as being that awful.
Let me go player-by-player, and give you my thoughts on each guy.
Michael Boley
Cole is right about Boley -- he was pretty good when he was healthy. Problem is, like many of the Giants' defenders he wasn't healthy nearly enough. Boley had a breakout 2007 season in Atlanta with 93 tackles, three sacks and two interceptions. He fell into the doghouse in 2008, and was signed by GM Jerry Reese in hopes he would provide the team with a play-making outside linebacker. When he is healthy Boley is the one Giants' linebacker who has historically shown he can cover tight ends and running backs. Last season, though, leg injuries limited his effectiveness in that area. You have to wonder if they also limited his ability, at 235 pounds, to hold the edge against the run. Pro Football Focus graded Boley at -6.8 against the run in 2009.
This is really a sort of make-or-break season for Boley, who will be 28. If he can approach his 2007 performance, when he was Pro Football Focus's highest-ranked outside linebacker that would go a long way toward improving the Giants' defense.
Clint Sintim
The Giants are handing the strong-side linebacker job to the 2009 second-round draft pick, and we have talked often throughout the off-season about the high expectations the team has for Sintim. We know, also, that Sintim has those same expectations for himself.
Now the question is, will he fulfill them? The Giants let veteran Danny Clark leave as a free agent, and really don't have a Plan B (Chase Blackburn, maybe) if Sintim fails. So, the Giants need him to perform. I believe he will, even if the 10 tackles, one sack and limited playing time he received in 2009 is not much to go on.
Sintim's primary problem as a rookie was confusion, which, in a way, was understandable. First, he came from a 3-4 defense and was being asked to learn a new scheme. Secondly, it seemed even many of the veterans did not seem to know what they were supposed to be doing for Bill Sheridan's defenseless unit. Sintim has spent a ton of time studying this off-season, and should be much better prepared to be productive for Perry Fewell.
This is what Sintim told me earlier this off-season during an appearance on Blog Talk Radio w/Pat Traina (Inside Football)and myself.
"It's going to be an important year. I'm not a rookie anymore," Sintim said. "All that stuff that 'well, he's just a rookie and he can make that mistake, he's a young player' all those excuses may not fly.
"I'm expected to be a better player, to be smarter about the game. I haven't though about it as pressure, I've just thought about it as a great opportunity."
We saw during the 2009 pre-season that Sintim is a pure pass rusher. He has the size at 6-foot-2, 250 pounds to be solid against the run. His pass coverage skills were obviously lacking last season, but should be improved in 2010. If they still aren't up to snuff, the simple solution is to let him do what he does best on passing down -- rush the quarterback.
Will Sintim become the first big-time linebacker drafted by the Giants since Jessie Armstead in 2003? I suspect we will go a long way toward learning that answer this season.
Jonathan Goff/Gerris Wilkinson/Phillip Dillard
I'm lumping the middle linebacker candidates in together, mostly since right now we have no idea who will emerge as the No. 1 guy.
I really don't know who comes out of this competition with the job -- though I suspect Goff has the inside track to begin the season as the starter. I am also not under the illusion that the Giants will get Pro Bowl-caliber play from this position -- they probably won't. If, however, they get adequate play from the middle that will be better than what they got most of the time in 2009. And it should be good enough.
Goff was up and down in his few opportunities toward the end of the season. His best game was his first start, against Dallas, when he had eight tackles. Goff seemed a step off the play quite often in 2009, but let' see if a year of experience and a majority of first-team practice reps help him.
Wilkinson is a wild card, a player with undeniable talent who has never been able to stay healthy long enough to show it. Dillard, the fourth-round pick from Nebraska, probably gets this job eventually. We will just have to wait and see if the Giants were right to wait that long to address this spot.
Other considerations
The primary depth is Blackburn, Bryan Kehl and whoever loses the middle linebacker competition. Kehl is a guy who's physical ability has seemingly not yet translated on the field.
One other thing. I have said this constantly throughout the off-season but I believe strongly that the play of the defensive line will have a lot to do with our eventual perception of the linebackers. You can -- justifiably -- criticize the 2009 linebacker play, but if the linemen can't hold up their part of the bargain any group of linebackers is not going to look good. I think the defensive line will do a better job in 2010.
Final Thoughts
There are a lot of question marks and no clear answers right now. Perhaps that is why Cole ranks this group so low -- there just isn't much to go on with the guys likely to play. In the end, though, I have to believe this unit will work out fine. Not 'Crunch Bunch' fine, of course, but good enough to help erase the memory of 2009.
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Still don't see what the fuss is about this area on the team.
Cole would rank a supermodel from NY toward the bottom of his rankings no matter what she looked like. Rankings are meaningless…but Cole’s are even worse then that.
Boley in the likely Tampa-2 we’re gonna play could be deadly. One player like that can elevate marginal talent no problem (see: Derrick Brooks on Tampa all those years- not saying Boley = Brooks….). Like you say, he’s gotta be healthy but you can’t predict these things.
I’ve always liked Sintim. I don’t see why he gets knocked so much when there was a strong chance this guy was the first rounder last year, not Nicks. I thought Sintim was gonna be a force when I first saw him on the field in preseason. Then he got hurt and that was the end of that. It sucks, but I can’t see why there’s any reason to not be high on him again.
And I like Goff too. He’s smart and a better athlete then Pierce ever was. Doesn’t have those instincts and insanity Pierce had…I think.
Largely seems they’re more “unknown” then bad. I guess that scares fans and downgrades them in the eyes of critics. And of course they play for Big Blue, so Cole knocks them even more.
People were worried, almost pathologically, about the WR last offseason and that turned out fine. The LB’s don’t have an Eli Manning to make them better (tho according to some writers..he doesn’t anyway…), but the LB’s do have a potentially elite DL to make them better.
Why can’t the DL have the same effect for the LB’s that Eli had for the WR’s last year?
Go New York Go!
Agree except for MLB
I don’t chart plays and get as detailed in my looks at players but last year Goff just did not impress in his stint as a starter. It is likely you all know more than me, but Goff has all the earmarks of a mediocre player. I did not see an instinctive player, one who knew where to be, one who was a big hitter or one who made other players better.
Maybe he just needs more time.
I am hoping that Wilkinson stays healthy and gets a shot because I think that he is potentially the best MLB the Giants have to start the season. Dillard may come on and Gerris will likely get hurt at somepoint, but….
Goff has the inside track. Despite that I see Gerris starting the starting nod until Dillard supplants him. Goff will be the backup and he will continue to be a guy who can come in and not hurt you – but not a guy who can come in and be a difference maker.
I hope I am wrong about Goff. Maybe he will do an about face from last year.
that's the thing.
to me, if Goff is mediocre, that’s fine. I don’t really see why he’d need to be anything more then that. And over time, there’s no reason he couldn’t merely be a solid starter.
I think Wilkinson in theory with Boley would have to chance to be excellent given all that speed. I’d be thrilled if he’s healthy and either wins to spot or at worst provides excellent depth, or maybe he and Boley are in there in the nickel.
But I don’t trust Wilkinson. I just get the feeling he’s gonna sprain his index finger putting on his helmet and go on IR.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Gerris
He’ll get hurt. No question. Hopefully into the middle of the season. Then Dillard starts.
But you are right. If Boley and Clint play like they can then the MLB can be average and the Giants will be OK. And Blackburn has shown he can play average or slightly better at MLB so there is more depth.
Wilkinson and Boley as the nickel LB's
I really think aside from safety play (especially in cover 2), not having another LB who can drop into coverage was the top player-related issue that killed the defense last year. Even if Wilkinson can’t win a starting spot, if he can be a situational guy for us who covers the middle hole or a seam zone, Y man to man, w/e… that in my opinion would be a big boost over where we were last year getting burned by Celek in our 2 deep look.
Otherwise I think Ed’s got it right- unproven, but even Matt Mosely is over there saying he thinks Sintim is the breakout player in the NFC East this year, so there’s potential. The Mike won’t need to be awesome if we can rush the passer and mix our coverages, which I’m confident Fewell will do well.
Agreed, Free
‘Unknown’ i right. And I think that’s why Cole pushed them down so far — he had nothing to really go on. I also believe improved defensive line play will make the LBs look much better.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 22, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Unknown
is undoubtedly the case and I took far bigger issue with Cole’s rankings of our WRs and other categories.
My ? re: Dillard, well, not mine, I’ve seen it elsewhere, is how much did he benefit playing behind Suh and did that make him look better than he is.
Well...
I would say yes and no. Dillard was a good athlete and solid LB as a freshman and soph. He really started to come into his own, chasing down guys who broke through the line, tipping balls, making plays. Then he gets hurt, missing a ton of time, kind of falls into a funk, then gets put onto the bottom of the depth chart beginning his senior season. Well, throughout the course of last year, he wrestled back the starting spot, getting huge reviews from the coaches, and gets drafted in the 4th round. Yes, he benefitted from Suh (my sister could benefit playing MLB behind Suh), but from what I saw on the field, the dude is athletic and has a really good motor. Dillard played all 3 LB positions in college and made plays in all of them. Additionally, he comes with the benefit of learning under the Pelini brothers. Before Bo Pelini was defensive coordinator for the Huskers, he was LB coach for the GB Packers. I know he spent a good amount of time with Dillard.
Until proven otherwise
Our linebackers won’t scare anyone.
Let’s hope they prove the haters wrong.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
I'm okay with the rankings...
It doesn’t mean anything but speculation anyway. And it’s a pretty accurate speculation on mostly unknown at SAM and MIKE. Boley is the only one anyone can really expect to be back in good form if he’s completely healthy – I have no issues with him, he’ll be fine.
In Boley’s interview on Giants.com, he briefly mentioned that Sintim was used mostly as a nickel DE during 3rd down packages last year. This year, he expects him to understand his position better b/c he has only been concentrating as a SAM.
By the end of the year I see them more in the middle of the pack 15/16, but it would be better if they show up big time and end up in the 10 spot…I think we’ll be all happy with that spot.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Defense is layered
Our defense units last year failed like falling dominoes. When the banged-up D-line couldn’t rush the passer or stop the run, the Linebacker play began to suffer. When that happened, the backfield suffered.
Our linebacker play this year will be just fine if our defensive line keeps them clean to pursue the run and pressures the QB on passing downs. It’s that simple.
Yawn....
I’ve got no problem with the rank given, or with Ed’s recap. But until expectations and potential actually show up on the field and start making some plays, it’s hard to know exactly what we have, and based on the little we saw of Goff and Sintim in last year’s horror movie, there’s not a lot of reason to rank either them or the linebacking corps highly until they step across the lines and start earning it.
all the questions
are what get us ranked so low.
I feel his initial look at the team from a perspective of someone who is paid to follow all teams on the surface, (reading stats), is justified. The tangibles aren’t there yet.
We seemingly have enough talented guys on the roster but much like the recievers of last year someone(s) gotta step up. and much like the recievers of last year i think they will be just fine. Eli elevated the game of the recievers, and a healthy and newly restocked front four and safeties will elevate the game of the LB’s
this is what i don't understand....
people have been throwing our LB’s under the bus for years.
AP according to the media and some giant fans had one foot in the grave IN ’08!
Now all of a sudden AP is impossible to replace and we’re totally unprepared?!?!!?
the fact is, with a healthy boley and sintim this unit has more talent at the position than they have had there in years…..
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
Great point.
Although we will certainly miss AP’s prepartion and leadership on the field, without him being out there we will be gaining quite a bit more athleticism at the position.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
very true.
Pierce by and large was a liability. Overall the 2008 LB’s…were they really that good? The D was excellent that year as well, so did it really matter?
Do the LB’s really matter that much? They’re important in that they’re out on the field, and they gotta do their job.
But they were not the reason the defense sucked last year, nor were they the reason the team’s defense has been great over these past years..when they were good.
If anything…..the real worry should be if the DL comes back to form. Who really cares about the LB’s, the DL better be back in form or else it wouldn’t matter if we had LT in his prime as one of our LBs….
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Who were our 2007 LBs!
Guys, we won a super bowl with AP, Kawika Mitchell and Dhani Jones as the starting linebackers. Against what was believed to be the best team all time. Not only that but in Week 17 against the Patriots, we fell 3 points behind with not a fraction of their motivation and Gerris Wilkinson as a starter. Why was this team successful? The front four, that’s why! If we can get our defensive line to dominate the line of scrimmage the way we did in 2007, we are a championship team because we don’t need a “Crunch Bunch” linebacking core. We just need players who are effective in their role in the defense, and I think that if anything, this LB core has more talent than it did in 2007.
by Jerry Nicks on Jul 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Dhani Jones???
i thought he was on the eagles in 2007?? im probly wrong but id be willing to put money on the fact that Dhani Jones was not on that team
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
my bad
I have no idea why I thought dhani jones was on that team. It was kiwanuka for the first 10 games and then torbor for the rest of the season, but gerris did play in week 17
just looked up the roster
Reggie Torbor.. not Dhani Jones
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness...
Kawika Mitchell was a beast that year.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
2009 WRs?
I am confident that this group will work out just as the receivers did last season. Just like last year we were expected to have one of the worst groups because our veterans at the position left and we had a group of untested young players. I think that if anything this group will work out better than the receivers did last year because we have Boley who has already proven to be a great SLB. If the front four can learn to be dominant, hopefully a successful rotation with the DTs will keep our LBs clean anyway. I think that this group will prove everybody wrong and hopefully what is seen as our greatest weakness today will be seen as one of our team’s strongest points a year from now.
I believe they are that bad...
The only reason I have any optimism at all is that Reese didn’t do much more than draft Dillard, so obviously some people in the organization dont feel we are as bad there as some and I guess they think Sintim can step in.
I know alot of people like Boley, but I dont. I think he has the physical tools, but I don’t think he has good football instincts.
From what I have seen, Goff, Kiehl and Blackburn are lousy, even if we love Chases energy, just like we loved Franky Ferrara. The fact is, you play those guys every down and you get burned. Our coverage teams sucked – who do you think is playing on those teams – yeah, the guys we expect to “step it up”. NOT.
Hey, the Giants had simply too many holes to fill this year, and the LB corp was largely ignored because some position had to be. Lets hope Sintim can step it up and that Dillard can win the job at ILB.
its not that these guys are so terrible
all except boley are unproven. no one has seen what these guys can do. They have about as much NFL experience playing starting LB as I do. the LBs will do the same thing the WRs did last year… surprize and amaze everyone
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 22, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
We'll be fine
Our LBs will not be as bad as people make them out to be. Yes they have to gel and prove they can perform. The team is focused and is going into the season with a very bad taste from the last season. With the DC , secondary upgrades and DL players healthy this year we will be fine on LB.
Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but a calling!
I'm happy our LBs were not ranked last
I mean two out of the three LB spots are complete unknowns and the other has had more mediocre seasons than good ones. The only positive thing you can say about our LBs is they are good on special teams. I want to know who is actually worse than this cast.
by Landeta on Jul 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reading this again
What he has to say for minnesota, he sort of makes the case that LBs are unimportant
Some people disagree with my belief that middle linebackers are basically replaceable parts in this era of the NFL, with even the very good ones being little more than pluggers. For proof of my contention, let’s examine E.J. Henderson(notes), who missed the final four games of last season with an injury after being on pace for one of the best seasons of his seven-year career. The Vikings put Jasper Brinkley(notes) in the lineup after Henderson went down and didn’t miss a beat, making it to within an overtime loss of reaching the Super Bowl. Anyway, Chad Greenway(notes) had another fine season and Ben Leber(notes) continues to be an above-average player. This group doesn’t make a lot of big plays, but it works well behind the strong defensive line.
The last sentence, that’s all we need and we’ll be fine.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Giants will not win without caliber LBs
Name me one title or championship winning Giant team ever which did not have at least one All-Pro and or Pro Bowler at LB. ( I am not counting the watered down playoffs in this analysis). 2007 ? An excellent Pierce and a tiger Mitchell who got a big Buffalo contract for his play. 2000- Armstead and Barnett. "90, well, do I have to do ’90 and ’86? Three of them in the Pro Bowl in ’90, and 2 in ’86, plus Carson. (Even in ’81, ’84 and ’85 they had at least 2 in the Pro Bowl). And so forth back into 1956.
Ok, what the Giants have now is really nothing- hopes and dreams and expectations. Reminds me of the mindset in ’64- see how well those years turned out.
Goff has a bad back- don’t forget that- and has shown nothing yet, nothing. Boley, so far, has been a waste, Simtin, who the Hell knows. They did not pursue even one reasonably experienced LB in Free Agency and, as usual the last few years, failed to get a “name” in the draft. My hope is that Dillard will be a surprise, but this is a big hole, overall, and combined with a questionable secondary will destroy New York’s chances.
And I don’t care if the line has 4 All-Pros- it won’t matter.
You contradict yourself...
You say:
Name me one title or championship winning Giant team ever which did not have at least one All-Pro and or Pro Bowler at LB.
You than go on to say that Pierce was excellent, and that Mitchell was awarded a big contract for his play.
While it might be true that both were solid contributors, neither made the Pro Bowl that year (Mitchell has never made one, Pierce only went once in his career), and neither have ever been All Pros. I actually distinctly remember Pierce getting burned over the middle at the end of the Pats first Super Bowl drive. He was forced to give up a pass interference in the end zone that set up the only TD in the first half of that Super Bowl. The secondary on that team was also nothing special…Webster (who did have a great playoffs) and an aging Sam Madison were at the corners, while Gibril Wilson and James Butler were at safety. I’ll take the budding star Terrell Thomas along with Webster, and the combination of Rolle and Grant, or Rolle and Phillips over that group any day.
So I’m sorry but I’ll have to respectfully disagree. 2007 is actually a perfect example of how a great defensive line can make less than stellar linebackers, and secondaries alike, look a lot better than they are.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
they're also not in the 3-4
where your LB’s are generally not stars, or at least across the board they’re not. 3-4 has the pass rushers, so they get noticed more.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You're correct
I mis-wrote. What I should have said was that they have never won without a Linebacker who either was or had been a Pro-Bowler. Pierce , as you noted, went to one Pro Bowl before ’07.
But that’s the only winning year (‘07) that has happened on the LBs (Title or Super Bowl years). Plus Madison was replaced, as he was hurt before the Tampa game and they rotated Ross, and RW McQuarters. I think Madison became an invaluable nickel by the Dallas game, but any fan has to admit that a starting backfield of Wilson, Butler, McQuarters ( or a 35 year old Madison) and Webster ( who was outstanding in the playoffs) is not going to strike fear into anyone’s heart. I also thought that Wilson was replaced a lot by Michael Johnson? Maybe not.
Let’s face it. Both Osi and Tuck had career years, and Strahan played out his xxx the last few games. Even if Tuck and Osi can play like that again, I just don’t see anything to help them at LB- at least in ’10.
But we shall see, won’t we?
That is true.
Strahan played out of his mind, and Osi and Tuck stepped up big time in those playoffs. To expect the same type of production out of this years line would be foolish.
While I won’t disagree that we don’t have much to show at the LB position, I guess I’m just a bit more optimistic in thinking our secondary will be improved enough to help pick up the slack a bit.
We’ve also yet to mention that Sheridan really was an awful D-Cordinator last year, and the hope is Fewell will bring a lot more to the table. But again, that would be me being optimistic.
As you said, we shall see….
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The linebackers lack production and miss tackles. The Giants’ defenses have always been known for their linebackers: In addition to Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson on their 1986 Super Bowl team, the Giants had Carl Banks, Pepper Johnson, and Gary Reasons, and even had great backup linebackers in Bryon Hunt and Andy Headen (who probably could have been a starter on another team). The Giants haven’t drafted a linebacker in the first round in 26 years (Carl Banks in 1984); Clint Sintim was drafted in the second round in 2009, but the last time the Giants drafted a linebacker that high was Kanavis McGhee in 1991. Over the past 15 years the Giants haven’t produced a single quality linebacker through the draft. They have repeatedly attempted to convert college defensive ends to the SAM position (Reggie Torbor and Mathias Kiwanuka). The Giants could have drafted but passed on linebackers such as DeMeco Ryans in 2006 and Jon Beason in 2007.
A woefully neglected position by the Giants in the past decade. Too many castoffs, too many development projects. I’m hoping Dilliard and Sintim are the real deal. I dont have faith in Goff, Kehl or Blackburn.
The Giants were in good position to draft quality linebackers too many times and let them slip by in the past ten years.
This reminds me, anyone else notice on Linval Joseph’s highlight tape during draft coverage on either ESPN or NFL Network that he fell down during an agility drill? I remembered that now because I was yelling wildly at the TV when they passed up LB again to take him.
Linval probably is the best pick of the bunch.
Dude is massive and has elite strength and athleticism…regardless of the fall. He’s basically another Fred Robbins, who was the real key to that 2007 Chip run with his disruptive force in the middle.
That’s what the Giants have missed at the end of 2008 and this past season, as FredRob went downhill, fast.
I don’t wanna say the LB’s don’t matter, but with a guy like Anvil in the middle…people like Goff will look a lot better then who they are.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 23, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 I'm really looking forward
to seeing this guy play. From the videos I’ve seen of him, gives me a mouth watering feeling….
hope this guy can pick up more snaps and play time then what I expect…even if it is his rookie season and a couple of dudes in front of him.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
there's a big difference from those teams and the team now, given the scheme.
3-4 D’s are predicated on LB play. The 4-3 Ds that they run nowadays is predicated on DL’s.
So basically, the way Parcells collected LB’s..they’re collecting DL’s now, which is the wise thing to do.
Not to say in hindsight Ryans or Beason (maybe both?) wouldn’t have been a good choice, but in the 4-3 you draft a DL over a LB every time.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 23, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
4-3
I agree with your philosophy but in this case I think the Giants reached too far for a DL. I watched a college rerun game, compressed to 2 hrs so I didn’t see every play, but JPP was a non factor and the only reason I knew he was in the game is because he got pancaked on a running play that went around his end. I was very disappointed with this pick and think this guy better sign before training camp because I just don’t think he’s up to the job. They’ll keep him but only as a CYA action.
you watched one game and said he's a bad pick?
Well he was excellent in a game against Rutgers where he went up against Anthony Davis, who was chosen a few spots ahead of JPP.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 24, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
JPP
The guy only played 8 games as a starter and one good game against a perennial powerhouse like Rutgers doesn’t make you the 15th overall pick in the draft.
not being the starter
means you didn’t start. Doesn’t mean you didn’t play.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

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