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Eli Manning is Elite.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 12:35 AM EDT
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If someone asked you the question:
"Who do you consider the top quarterbacks in the National Football League?"
Who would you say? The consensus top two are Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, and I'd find no fault with that. After all they have been model quarterbacks virtually every year they've been starters, however, that is where I feel the discussion for who comes next should begin. Simply ask yourself: What is it you want out of a franchise quarterback?
Is it talent? Leadership? Perhaps football intelligence is something you place high value on...
While all these attributes are certainly vital to any quarterbacks success in the NFL, one is more important than all.
Consistency.
When you think of elite signal callers, you think of a quarterback who comes in year in, and year out, and consistently gives you a chance to win. A quarterback who can carry your team when necessary. A quarterback who shows up with the game on the line, and does what is needed to be done to win your team the game.
Drew Brees and Peyton Manning certainly exemplify those ideals, so it comes as no surprise that they account for two of the three quarterbacks that have thrown for over 3,000 YDs, and over 20 TDs over the last five years.
Remarkable consistency.
In fact, when coming across that statistic, I really didn't notice how rare a feat it was, but upon further inspection it turns out that only six quarterbacks in the illustrious history of the NFL can claim they have accomplished such a great show of consistent ability. They are:
Peyton Manning - (2005- --) 12 years and counting.
Every year Peyton has played professional football he has thrown for over 3,000 YDs and 20 TDs. Clearly in discussion for GOAT. 2004 was by far his best statistical season, throwing for 3,557 Yds and 49 Tds.
Drew Brees - (2004- --) 6 years and counting.
Starting with his last two years in San Diego, running up until last seasons Super Bowl campaign, Drew Brees has been an absolute stud. Topping out in 2008 with 5,069 Yds and 34 Tds, why did the Chargers ever get rid of this guy???
Tom Brady - (2002-2007) 6 years.
Tom Brady is well on his way to becoming considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Six consecutive seasons with 20+ Tds and 3500+ Yds, not to mention the greatest single season ever by a quarterback in 2007. If not for an unfortunate injury in '08, his streak would more than likely still be going on, as he got back on track in '09 with 4398 Yds and 28 Tds.
Dan Marino - (1984-1992) 9 years.
Dan Marino is widely considered one of, if not the best quarterback of all time. He would have reached the mark ten consecutive years had he started every game in his rookie season instead of nine. His streak came to an end when he tore his achilles tendon in 1993 at Cleveland .
Brett Favre - (1994-2005) 12 years.
Brett Favre is always always involved in talks for GOAT. Something about his gunslinging ways and boyish attitude towards the game seem to keep the media gushing over him every offseason. If not for only throwing 18 Tds in 2006, Brett would be looking at 16 consecutive seasons with 20+ Tds and 3,000+ Yds.
And last, but certainly not least our very own...
Eli Manning - (2005- --) 5 years and counting.
Ever since taking over as full time stater for the New York Giants in 2005, Eli Manning has thrown for at least 21 Tds, and has never thrown for less than 3200 Yds in a single season. He's also led the Giants to the playoffs every year we didn't have the third worst defense in the NFL. Continually getting better in seemingly every category year by year, Eli Manning has never missed a start, he has been everything you could want out of a franchise quarterback. And on an even larger scale, he has put himself in some pretty special company.
So next time someone asks you who you consider to be the best of the best at the quarterback position in the NFL, don't be so quick to forget Eli Manning. What he has shown over the last five years is that his consistency, overall ability, and toughness are truly among some of the greatest not in just the game today, but NFL history as well.
Notable quarterbacks who did not make the list:
Donovan McNabb - McNabb did it five times in his ten year career, but only two consecutive seasons in a row. Once from 2000-2001, and once from 2008-2009.
Ben Roethlisberger - Big Ben has only accomplished this particular feat two times over his six year career, never putting them back to back. Yes he's won Super Bowls, but he's been remarkably inconsistent, both statistically, and outside of the locker room.
Phillip Rivers - Rivers is the closest current player to getting it, doing it four out of his first four seasons. This is an interesting situation to watch as this could potentially be his fifth consecutive season, but he may have to get it done without his number one target (Vincent Jackson facing suspension/holding out) much like Eli had to do without Plaxico Burress last year (as we all know Eli had his best statistical season). I think he'll get it done, but it's still interesting enough to keep an eye on.
John Elway - Did it his last four years as a quarterback, and only two other times in his career.
Troy Aikman - Only threw for over 20 Tds once in 1993 (23 Tds) during his 12 year career.
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More consistency
Eli should be even more consistent. Every season is marked by a stretch of bad games. His 3-week stretch against NO, ARI, and PHI was horrible. He needs to have a good performance week in and week out.
If it were his first season with games like that
then I could blame his condition. However, it’s been like that his entire career.
But you voted Yes.
So you do feel he is an Elite quarterback in the NFL?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
no one is good week in and week out. That is an unfair expectation
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
We have officially lost our minds.
Numbers are fudged.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 6:04 AM EDT reply actions
And assuming you voted No Lo..
If you’d care to, please share your insight as to why you don’t think he belongs in discussion with the best quarterbacks in the league.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Watching Eli play is more than enough evidence to justify my response.
Yes, you can point to statistics and argue that they seperate the good players from the bad but in my opinion it is more about coming through and making plays at the most crucial times. I have seen Eli do that one time and with the help of Tyree his effort will aleways be remembered. But other than that I have seen nothing more of Eli that convinces me that he can be thrown in the same category as his brother. That fact that the Giants have had the success that they have IMO has little to do with the talents of Eli and more to do with the fact that many guys on the team stepped up thier game and contributed.
Before we won the superbowl in 07 Eli was one of the most dispised Giants in NY. He was also a large part of the reason why we were eliminated in the first round of the 08 playoffs by the Eagles. The thing that displeases me the most with Eli is the dumb look that he gives after he makes an ill-advised decision which leads to a turnover or sack. He often cracks under the pressure of any pass rush that comes his way, and he still has emerged as the leader that his brother is. I know that he and his brother are two different people but I still expect to see some resemblance in Eli. At this point I am not ready to give him that kind of credit. He has to show me more. Damn the statistics.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction: He has not emerged as the leader that his brother is.
Please don’t say I was right the first time.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Lo...
Where to begin…
…in my opinion it is more about coming through and making plays at the most crucial times. I have seen Eli do that one time…
Really? One time?
How about that NFC Championship game? Out playing Brett Favre on his own turf, in Favre weather? Putting the Giants in position to win not once, not twice, but three times. Made it look easy. How about that drive in Dallas to end the first half in the Divisional round? Dallas had just scored two Tds on consecutive drives, and Eli marches us down the field with :52 seconds left to keep us in the game. Huge.
How about all 17 of his fourth quarter comeback victories?
Check out this article from Ralph Vacciano (from late 2008, so it’s missing a number of his more recent comebacks), and maybe you’ll remember exactly what Eli does in the most crucial times.
That fact that the Giants have had the success that they have IMO has little to do with the talents of Eli and more to do with the fact that many guys on the team stepped up thier game and contributed.
Really don’t know how you can say that. Eli has lost a top ten running back, top ten tight end, and two of his starting receivers over the last five seasons, and all he has done is consistently improve. I’d love to see how Phillip Rivers would do over the last couple years without Jackson, Gates, and LT, or Romo without Witten. Every time a “star” leaves this offense, Eli shines a little brighter. Not only will the statistics show that, but the game tape will as well.
Lastly:
I know that he and his brother are two different people but I still expect to see some resemblance in Eli.
Don’t. Eli is Eli. Peyton is Peyton. And both quarterbacks have led there teams to the same number of Championships. Whether you care to admit to that absolute truth or not, it’s there.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Crack Committee
LoNJDTechnology is one of the more pessimistic fans at BBV. You have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.
GhostDini I know that much of what I say bothers you but...
I really don’t care. I don’t hold your opinions against you because you are to your own opnions. But take the cheap shots that you have been taking at me for the past couple of days is not necessary. You are right in that I am pessimistic. Being this way, I don’t set myself up for major disappointment. I call it how I see it and if you want to take what I say with a grain of salt then so be it, as a matter of fact you can add some hot sauce and pepper to that too. I respect and agree with most of the comments that you leave and if I don’t, I voice it but I don’t ride you man so don’t do it to me.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Past couple of days??
Show me the shots that I’ve taken at you over the last couple of days. Prove it.
Also, if you readily admit that you are pessimistic, then how am I taking a shot at you? Basically, I’m stating a fact.
I was refering to the "Crack Committee" remark.
And before anyone see this for what it is not, I am not angry. I am not trying to disrecpt you. I think you know a lot about the game. I will not list the instances mentioned because this is not the forum for that knid of talk. I just wanted to clarify my position and understand yours. I will not say anything more about this. Back to Giant talk.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I will concede the following...
How about that drive in Dallas to end the first half in the Divisional round? Dallas had just scored two Tds on consecutive drives, and Eli marches us down the field with :52 seconds left to keep us in the game.
Uncontested.
Thats it.
Many of Eli’s good games came against teams that were worse off then the Giants. In some cases his performance suck against bad teams. Whenever this happens it is attributed to injury. You may allow the lights, glitter and the fancy meia commentary cloud your vision as to Eli’s performance but not me. Has Eli had good games? Yes. Does Eli Manning come through on a consisteant basis? No. You may argue that no player does and I would agree. However, in Eli’s case, there have just been to many instances where he has not lived up to the hype. Exs. 1 2 3
Look, we can go on all day with this. You can find more positives for Eli. I can find more negatives. Lets just agree to disagree in Eli’s case and leave it at that.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
More than fair.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion (pessimisstic or otherwise) and I don’t have to agree with it, but as a fellow Giants fan I will resepct it.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
:-)
Ok Tito. I look forward to reading more of your posts
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Contested
I will contest that drive a little bit. The Giants were lucky with a penalty that advanced the ball quite a bit, and probably would have been out of luck without it.
boooooo
the giants executed a fantatsic drive and would have scored without the penalty
mucho negativity-o
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 22, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo Who?
There was also a pass that bounced in front of an open Toomer 20 yards down field, a pass that bounced off both of Canty’s hands an instant after Manning threw it, and an overthrown pass to you Burress, in double coverage traffic the end zone. You came down badly on your bad ankle after that one. Then there was the 15 yards tacked onto a pass to Smith because of a grabbed face mask that I mentioned.
Manning managed the 47 seconds he had before the half well, completing three nice passes to Smith, Boss and Toomer, but he sure made me sweat with the incompletions and the bouncing ball off Canty. He got the TD though, though it wasn’t that pretty.
( Was it four complete passes, two to Smith that drive? I’ a little fuzzy on it. )
Lucky?
the opposing team committing a penalty is not luck. It’s part of the game. In every game each team gets a few lucky breaks and a few bad breaks.
Bill Parcels said it best. Each game is decided by a few plays. The team that makes more of those few plays will win.
Agreed.
Damn FrankB03, did I just agree with you again? :-)
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 3, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli's inconsistancy?
Is Eli the most accurate passer? No!
At the same time, I’ve seen, too many times, Eli deliver perfect passes for long TDs right in the receivers hands only to watch them drop the sure TD. Toomer, Hixon, Smith, Nicks all come to mind.
I do remember someone from the sight posting
About how Eli was the most clutch QB in the league given the circumstances.
Probably was me
Football Outsiders had something (looks for it) here
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
by Willgfass on Jul 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I remember that post
Everyone should see that.
Rec’d in hopes this turns green so people hit the link.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 24, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
good article
interesting stuff, but I’m still not sold on this. J Campbell is singled out as one of the worst in this category. When was the last time he had the supporting cast to move the length of the field in a key moment.
Stats like this give an indication of a players ability, but the nature of the game is “team” and you and your stats are only as good as your weakest link .
He got some great years out of Cooley and Portis.
And Moss was able to rack up over 1,000 yards in ’08 so he can stretch the field.
But I see what you’re saying.
I still think it’s pretty accurate though considering Peyton, Brees, Big Ben, Rivers, and Rogers all make the top ten.
Stats are just stats, QB rating can be seen as a farce as well when considering a lot of other factors, but if you look at the peramiters of how this ACE rating is set up, it does a pretty fair job of grading the QBs.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
In defense of Eli
on many of his so-called dumb looks, he accepts most of the blame. He’s a leader and a good team player.
However, on many occasions the blame lies with the receiver. Someone once analyzed that g-awful game vs Viking a few years ago. Eli took ALL the blame. They looked at the game tape. The blame on a few of those INTs should fall on the receivers shoulders not Eli.
You say damn the stats. I say Damn the stats in the case of INTs. Some of Eli’s INTs the receiver dropped the ball, fell down, ran a poor route or the wrong route. Eli’s lone INT in the Super Bowl vs Pats should have been an easy catch by Smith.
This actually might be the first post I've ever seen
Where people are saying the stats are skewed in Eli’s favor…
Usually the argument has always been “Screw the stats Eli always gets it done in crunch time!”
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
An Example
the first Eagles game last season. Giants down 7-0. On their first drive Eli throws an INT on a pass for Beckum returned to the NYG 7 yard line. Eli gets and accepts all the blame. Watch the replay. The INT was 100% Beckum’s fault. He never came out of his break. He shuffled his feet. An easy pick for someone with Samuels experience.
Is Eli the best QB in the league? I don’t think any of would argue he is. Is he an elite QB in today’s game? Absolutely.
Perfect example.
And Eli always takes the blame. Why so many people think it’s a bad think that he’s more soft-spoken than most is beyond me, dudes got ice water runnin’ through his veins.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Eli gets all the credit too when the Giants do well and...
not necessarily because of his performance. Like I said we can go on and on.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he doesn't get enough credit....
more then a few misinformed like to yap on how the SB run was all the defense in and running game, when the D was good, but the running game was non-existent in the playoffs, it was all Eli on offense (and its tough to throw when the RB’s aren’t doing much.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 23, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Numbers can lie better than Politicians. You can make them say whatever you want them to say.
Eli is a great QB and I have been one of his most outspoken supporters but, there is no way I put him in the same class as his brother. Not yet anyway.
To watch someone play gives you a better idea of how good they are, regardless of stats, and to see Peyton manhandle and confuse defenses on a regular basis puts him above whatever fantasy stats these other guys compile.
There's a lot to be said for your POV.
As we were dicussing yesterday re T vs. S, it depends on how you define elite. I beleive Eli is not in the same class as his brother and Brees. On the other hand, in terms of tito’s definiton of what constitutes elite, he is. No doubt many disagree that his criteria mark the boundaries of those who can be considered elite. They would probably opt for another definition and each definition would inevitably be subjective. I do believe that developing a definition satisfactory to all is impossible. I know I wouldn’t attempt it.
The bottom line is that, except in the broadest terms, arrivng at conclusions that require comparison of the performances of athletes to determine who are the best will never achieve a universal consensus. I do think broad categories might be developed that include some as the best and exclude all others. This what tito did. His criteria are valid, but more are required to reach a fuller consensus.
Eg.,I believe that a majority of football “experts” (a relatively small one perhaps) accept that Jim Brown was the greatest football player of all time. I could pick holes in whatever argument is advanced to buttress that conclusion. How could he be when he wasn’t a QB, the most important position on a football team? How could he be when he wasn’t a complete RB because he never threw a block in earnest or demonstrated that he could throw the option pass? Name whoever you choose as the best of whatever and it will be next to impossible to reach a realtively conclusive agreement.
by blue gonz on Jul 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is good.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This reminds me
for English class my teacher didn’t agree with me that the Lord of the Rings are “classic” literature. So for my final essay I wanted to write proving it was. Put the question is, what the hell is a classic book? My teacher disagreed with the definition i put so i didn’t do so well but i found out I really couldn’t care less what she thought about a book i enjoyed.
Digression aside, we have the same problem here, what makes one guy elite and another not?
What makes someone “more elite”? Or maybe, who really cares?
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
that's exactly why I don't take and of you crazy bastards seriously!!!
LOL….I’m just kidding….just trying to add some levity to the thread
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
LotR are classic literature
if only because, completed by 1950, they are the definitive and canonical work which is the baseline for virtually all other fanstasy / D&D type work.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and,
as someone with an english degree and a professional editor, let me just say that most HS english teachers are morons when it comes to language and literature.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve found that out the hard way, sadly.
Which really sucks cause my middle school “Language Arts” teachers were awesome but the high school english teachers have been jokes.
/end digression
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
thats the problem with educators today
if they dont agree with what your saying you fail, no matter how well you present your arguement and back it up. they dont agree, you get an F… i just graduated from a very liberal college 2 years ago and i ran into this problem ALOT. my grades suffered tremendously because often time my professor and I didnt see eye to eye on something.
off the Giants topic im sorry.
Go Giants!
19-0 2010 Super Bowl Champs!
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
S-M, Will, Plax
It looks as though you’re all readers and like what is condescendingly termed category or genre fiction. If your tastes extend beyond the fantasy realm, I heartily recommend Kem Nunn’s surfer mysteries. Elmore Leonard hailed him as a master story teller and his depiction of the surfer life is fascinating. I appreciate his work so much and he’s so little known that I feel obligated to bring his name to the attention of those who seem likely to become fans of his work
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
I’ll check him out eventually.
Thanks for the tip
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Ghost you
Mention those three games that eli barely practiced and was walking on one foot. You cannot find a qb in this league that doesnt go through a funk, even drew brees last yr had a bad stretch in the middle. If it wasnt for his defense and running game it would have been worse. Eli had niether of those last yr. Like it or not he is up there and does nothing but get better.
by cjraymz56 on Jul 21, 2010 7:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This wasn't his first time
He’s had that bad stretch every season of his career. You can’t use an injury as an excuse when it happens all the time.
But he has also played through injury his entire career...
While Eli has had a couple of bad games in every season (which every quarterback has) you can’t have your cake and eat it too. If he’s going to play hurt every year, there’s going to be a bit of regression in those games. Overall though, you can’t deny that Eli has improved steadily from season to season. Considering he lost two of his top two targets last year, I think it’s okay to give him a bit of a break as he still still managed to throw for over 4,000 Yds.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter
Once you get on the field, then there are no excuses. I’m consistent with that. I said the same thing about Jacobs and Tuck. If you can’t play well, then don’t play at all. By suiting up and going into the game, then you’re saying that you can deliver the goods. I recognize that Eli was hurt but I don’t consider it an excuse.
Last year Eli had the second fewest pass attempts in a full season in his career. Yet he had his best statistical season. Why? It’s because Eli did more with his passes. His YPA, YPC, and completion percentage were the best of his career. He spread the ball around to everyone and didn’t lock into one WR like he would do with Plax. So yes, there’s no doubt Eli has improved from season to season.
However, I always felt that Eli didn’t do enough with the talent he had around him. If you’re going to give him credit for doing well after losing his top WRs, then you have to fault him for not putting up comparable numbers with those top WRs. I’d like him to take charge of the offense more and get his TEs involved. The Giants were 22nd in the red zone last year. Why is his 6-6 TE not getting more looks? I put some of the blame on his shoulders. He’s not a young guy who has to defer to the coaches. If Eli wants Boss to get the ball, then Boss will get the ball.
I consider Eli to be elite but Brees, Brady, Peyton, and Favre are on another level. You might ask what’s higher than elite. I consider those guys to be HOF-type QBs, the immortals of the sport. Eli isn’t there yet.
Well stated.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed.
No salt added. Just kidding.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Last year Eli had the second fewest pass attempts in a full season in his career. Yet he had his best statistical season. Why?
He also had his best receiving corps.
that's ceratinly arguable
2007 Plax, Toomer, Smith > 2010 Smith, Nicks, Manningham
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 26, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have to agree...
That it’s arguable.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 26, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith barely played in 2007.
and I’d take this year’s crop, even as young as they are, over them.
Since most likely he threw so many times cuz Plax and Toomer (and Shockey) loved to show off their stone hands.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant to say
2007 Plax, Toomer, Smith > 2009 Smith, Nicks, Manningham
not 2010. 2010 if things go well could be as good or who knows. But certainly, 07 > 09
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
true that
Remember the beginning of the 2007 season… “Eli out for a month with shoulder injury” after playin the cowgirls. then the dude was right back in there the next week.
We went 0-2 the he recovered… we won the next 6.
He is a tough bastard, I’ll give him that
Yes..Yes he is.
And I can think of only 2 QB’s I’d trade Eli for too, and they both played in this past Super Bowl. That’s it.
Eli’s one of the top 5 toughest bastard QB’s in the NFL as well (his brother, Farve, Rivers, probably Big Ben or Rodgers are tough Fer’s too).
Eli seems to have tough stretches, but well, separated shoulder (happened in 2 different seasons) as well as the plantar fascitis last year…well, kinda not thinking that’s just a coincidence he became “inconsistent”. Eli’s gonna tough out injuries, the RB’s need to pick up the slack.
Got a feeling this is really gonna be Eli’s “breakout” year. Gonna need better health luck all around (at least in the right places…having at least 1 healthy RB might be a start), but Eli’s gonna be all out beast mode this season.
Go New York Go!
Eli is Elite
I know Eli gets a bad wrap for being inconsistent, but that’s really become less of a problem as time goes on, to the point that I’d even argue that’s no longer a problem. Every time I watch Eli play I feel proud to have him as our QB. Not just with his accuracy. Not just with his ability to read defenses. Not just with his tenacity. The thing that most impresses me with Eli is his ability to play AMAZING football when it counts. Put Eli in a two minute warning and he will play some of the best football out there. He’s one of the best clutch players in the game today.
He is very
Underrated! Like a few of you said he is so tough and is so clutch. He could be playing terrible the whole game and then just put it on them at the end. Remember chicago in 07? Man he was aweful for 3 quarters , but damn when it was on the line he was great. Last year was far from his fault. He played in pain, he played well and he helped those young wideouts probably more than we will ever know. They took plax and amani away from him and he stepped up and did what elites do, make everyone better.
by cjraymz56 on Jul 21, 2010 8:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Irony again--"...make everyone better."
The NYT article cited below states as one of his weaknesses the “fact” that he doesn’t make his receivers beter.
I can't believe anyone would go and write that crap...
if anything…the young WR’s held Eli back last year. How many perfectly thrown balls were dropped?
Eli’s not perfect, but he sure as hell is very good.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 21, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That Chicago game
is the reason I like the stats…but they really don’t tell the whole story, especially for Eli. He’ll look like crap for 2 quarters, then all of a sudden when there’s 2 minutes to go, he becomes unstoppable. And for the most part, it either brings the Giants back into the game, or ahead.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 21, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly right free bradshaw
Stats are really nice to have but if you dont watch the games and just look on nfl.com at stats well then we would have 25 h.o.f qb’s playing. Guys like mcnabb, romo big ben when they are off they lose.
by cjraymz56 on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Much like John Elway
I always saw Eli as a less mobile John Elway type. Notorious for never putting up great numbers, but always getting it done when you needed him to…a true winner.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
haha nice
i cant wait to break out this arguement next time someone tells me Eli sucks
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 21, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
actually.....
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/7/21/1579622/eli-manning-is-elite#42555601
lol
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
He certainly belongs in the discussion, but
I suspect that’s not a widely shared opinion among non-Giants fans. E.g., today Fox Sports posted names of the ten most overpaid NFL players. Both Eli and BJ made it. The comments re Eli cited named Romo and Rodgers as better QBs
In another affront, the Jets announced the establishment of a Ring of Honor in the new stadium. It didn’t specify how that would be accomplished, but in Buffalo they hang banners naming the players from the upper deck. The article stated that the move was, “…more than honoring their list,’” but “… a bold step into the spotlight.”
The list includes three HOFers, Ewbank, Namath and Maynard (Shofner blocked this one time Giants draft choice from breaking into the Giants’ lineup.) Also, Winston Hill, Joe Klecko (who, IMO, should be in the HOF) and Curtis Martin
We don’t get no respect. I like it when that happens,. It’s a great motivator for the team.
Wait ... what ?
Is that a permanent Ring of Honor ? As in will be in place while the Giants play ?
Something along the lines we were discussing yesterday blue gonz?
Are the Jets not going to be retiring numbers, while just adding them to a “ring of honor”?
Can you share the link?
Also, I too read that article you mentioned on Fox Sports, I honestly didn’t agree with much of anything in his commentary really, although in theory it would make sense, I guess. But, do you think the Giants would trade Eli straight up for a Romo or Rodgers?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically, i'm computer illiterate, so I don't know how to share the link.
It can be called up by registering with the NYT, going to the “Fifth Down” in the sports section. I’m sure most of the young BBVers can do this. I threw my watch away when I retired and resist learning the newest technology. I’m a Luddite at heart. My eight year old grandkid can handle all the new stuff with TV, cell phones, blackberries, etc. I don’t have a cell phone either. Damned if I’ll be at the beck and call of anyone at any time they choose to contact me.
No way Giants would trade Eli for either. They’re committed to Eli and should be.
Haha no worries
At least you’ve managed to be familiar with the internet, I know plenty of older folks who still don’t know what “.com” means hahaha.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Got it right here...
Doesn’t really go into great detail as to what/where it will actually be, also it kind of annoys me that they have to do all of this during the Giants and Jets preseason game.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, sparse on details.
Ceremony at half time seems in your face, a dropping-the-gauntlet move.
Logical, I suppose to hold it during the first game, but shouldn’t it be the first regular season game? Why half time of the first exhibition game? Because it’s vs the Giants?
The Jets are cultivating the persona of the old Raiders, a swashbuckling, take-no-prisoners crew htat dares you to beat them, cocky, obnoxious, playing head games to cloud the focus of opponents (a la Mayweather?)
Hey Blue
Went over to GGN this morning
Asked them if they could share any details they knew about this Ring of Honor.
Apparently, the ring will be in both end zones during Jets games only.
On top of that someone mentioned that the Giants are planning to have a similar type of tribute, and simply haven’t announced it yet…thought you might be interested.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
It lessens the sting. Will the Giants do theirs at helf time as well?
I hope so
Well since they haven't announced it..
I assume they probably want to do it on an entirely different occasion, maybe the first actual game in the building?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Romo better?
the media has a strong Cowboy bias. Once again the Cowgirls are Super Bowl favorites. The same team that finally won a playoff game after 12 or 13 seasons.
Eli won 4 road playoff games. Romo hasn’t won sh*t in the playoffs. Until he does there’s no argument who’s better.Let’s not forget Romo’s botched snap costing them a playoff win.
yes the media is bias
I got my SI in the mail today and who graced the cover? Miles Austin. The articles inside were supposed to be about the NFL training camps that are about to start up, but it was all about the Cowboys. The only other team that got more than a sentence of coverage was teh Jets!
Aikman
Had no idea his TD totals each year were that low. kind of makes you wonder why hes considered so great
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 21, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions
...
Because when you have Emmitt Smith on your team in the red zone, why bother airing it out?
And he made the plays he needed to make when they were needed.
and, lastly, he has three rings
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Jul 21, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You should look at his stats in the Playoffs
Aikman played at his best when it mattered the most.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Amen Dwarf
I was thinking the exact same thing when reading the original post.
You have a guaranteed touchdown machine and you care more about scoring and winning than stats. Hate to say it, but Aikman is easily a HOFer and he was a great.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
he may have been great
but I cant stand to hear him announce during Giants games
by #56 4life on Jul 22, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey listen
I also despise it and I would BET that he and Joe Buck … well never mind, I’d probably catch a warning for saying what we all know they do.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Foxsports
Loves the cowboys for some reason. All i know is that romo has had more talent on his team than eli every yr and yet has no ring. Big ben has stumbled into two rings players 2 nfc west teams.i dont read foxsports or cbs because honestly they have morons on the staff.
by cjraymz56 on Jul 21, 2010 9:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Damn right he is!
How people consider other guys like Romo elite (not saying he isnt) elite and not Manning, I dont get that at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I havent done the work yet
but its becoming more of a passing league. That feat is not as impressive anymore. Thats why you only 2 people outside of the 2000’s. One in the 90’s and one from the 80’s both are not even the best QBs from their respective decade.
This is a reason why stats can be used to prove whatever you want to prove. I dont have a real opinion o Eli other then hes not the reason the Giants cant win.
Also my defn of Elite as well as most others is reserved for a special few.
Elite:
Peyton
Brees
err… Brady
Tier 1:
Rodgers
Rivers
Mcnabb
etc..
Really?! Really?!
Stats are silly
Just like the curse of 370, why did you choose the certain stats you did? Why 6 seasons why 3000yds why 20tds?
The point still remains is its a passing league now. Just like CCC article on the 1000yd rusher.
Really?! Really?!
Sure you can say it's a pass happy league now...
But the fact remains, over the last 5 seasons only three quarterbacks have done it.
Manning, Brees, and Manning.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
ok?
In 5 even 10 years this list will be doubled.
Romo has 3 all but 4 seasons of your parameters (06 he took over for bledisoe and is 100yds and 1td shy)
Really?! Really?!
Again...
MANY quarterbacks have had 3 or even 4 consecutive seasons, putting 5 together is something not many quarterbacks have done, even in this last decade.
For you to assume the list will be doubled in the next decade is a bit naive, considering how easily one injury can not only ruin a single season, but an entire career.
Romo has shown consistency in three straight seasons, but should he suffer another broken pinky…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
but should he suffer another broken pinky
hahahaha.. hes such a b*tch
Albert Pujols + a glove = Ike Davis
by Plaxico Burress on Jul 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I assure you...
Many other quareterbacks have come close (Elway, Moon, Montana, Fouts, Young, Kelly etc, etc) but simply did not accomplish it because they couldn’t consistently keep that high level of play going year after year after year.
In the pass happy 2000s, someone like Daunte Cullpepper had a few great years, but couldn’t keep it up over time. Most others, like a Donovan McNabb, simply couldn’t stay healthy which again, is a testiment to Eli’s toughness.
Question:
One in the 90’s and one from the 80’s both are not even the best QBs from their respective decade
Dan Marino and Brett Favre not the best QBs from their decades? They’re certainly up there, and are both HOFs…nothing to scoff at.
Do the work and you’ll see this truly is a special feat, as all of the quarterbacks who have done this are HOFs, or likely will be once they retire.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not the stat guy
That is OCC forte, but read the article about the curse of 370 he pretty much debunks it and the same can be applied to your statement.
Really?! Really?!
OCC didnt write the article. Dont want to false advertise
Montana best of 80s hands down. Aikman, Young, Elway, Favre can argue tops 90s QBs
Really?! Really?!
Not really hands down for Montana..
I’ve heard arguments that Marino’s the GOAT, let alone best of the 80s.
As far as the 90s go, never heard anyone try to claim Aikman was the best, so really don’t know where you’re trying to go there. He was blessed with a great defense, great running back, and great offensive line. A good quarterback, no doubt, but best in the 90s? I don’t see that.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
tito, you're the only guy I've ever seen using the GOAT acronym.
It jars me every time I see it, because goat is the word traditionally used to label a player who makes a mistake that leads to a loss. (Jersey Joe Pisacik was labeled the goat because he didn’t kneel in the closing seconds of a game with the Giants ahead and seconds left on the clock. He opted for a handoff that resulted in a fumble recovery and TD by the Eagles to win the game.) Of course he didn’t deserve the label, because I’m sure he didn’t call the play.
Haha sorry blue gonz
I don’t know where I picked it up, and I certainliy won’t claim that I invented it.
I know what you mean though, I’ve always heard the term goat used to describe someone like Bill Buckner (as you mentioned yesterday) but can’t seem to remember where i picked up GOAT to describe greatest of all time…again, I think it was something used to describe Ali…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Michael Strahan
2007 playoff/SB DVD set, says he used to call Amani Toomer “GOAT,” for greatest of all time.
This is the word of the Strahan.
Amen.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
GOAT, capitalized = Greatest Of All Time
goat, as in the animal, is the blamed for something bad…kinda like the billy goat curse on the Cubs.
Watch the movie “Rebound: Legend of Earl Manigault”. Used to call him Earl “The GOAT” Manigault. And it sure as hell wasn’t cuz he was bad……
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
blue....
maybe you heard of Earl “The Goat” Manigault…..Basketball player….some say he was the best that never was…..
there were other theories of how he got that nickname but Greatest Of All Time is probably the one that stuck
In fact Kareem Abdul Jabbar said when he retired that “the Goat” was the best he ever played against
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
Oh, yes I heard of Earl, actually saw him play a few times.
(saw Jabar in HS as well.) I knew the nickname, Goat and had no idea what it referred to. “Greatest of all time” makes sense and it more likely refers to Manigault than Ali. Were it Ali, I’m sure I would have heard it before. Too bad Earl’s life style kept him out of the NBA. Connie Hawkins finally made it, but he was well past his prime. These days, those two guys would have been drafted right out of HS.
Ha it bothers me a little too
I mean GOAT: Greatest of all time.
or goat:
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
No...
The Cowboys won more games than anyone in the 90s.
Aikman was a part of that team.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so?
aikman has the most wins of any qb in the 90s infact up until Peyton he had the most wins of any qb in a single decade ever.
This is like winning in the special oly..err nvm
Either way.. you picked some arbitrary stat and think it proves anything? Why 20tds huh why not 22 or 23 or 24… oh because then it wouldnt apply to ELI. Thats right I dont know who originally did the research but I briefly glanced at some stats.
Every other QB on your list during the time period you stated Threw an avg of 26 TDs.
Peytons lowest:26
Brees: 24
Brady: 23
Favre: 20 but he is an exception meaning he has done it for 15yrs! He avgs 29 TDs a year during those years.
Eli: 21,23,24,27… pretty weak
Really?! Really?!
Because 20 Tds and 3000 Yds are what most people view as century marks.
And if you think 21,23,24, and 27 are pretty weak (notice the steady inlcine from season to season)
What do you make of 11,11, 23, 12, 13,16, and12? Because those are your boy Troys numbers from 91-96.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
who views those as century marks?
Maybe writers in the 80s maybe even in the 90s
But now adays its defn 4000yds + and 35+ TDs.
No one and I mean NOONE looks at a qbs stat line and says wow that kid threw for over 3000yds hes a beast unless its pop warner ball.
Really?! Really?!
If that's the case...
When did anyone ever consider 12 Tds per year good enough to be considered the best QB of a decade?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize it was a running league
and the Cowboys were a running team right? This is 20 years later. It’s a passing league now
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
So Jim Kelly, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Warren Moon, and Dan Marino don’t deserve to be in consideration because they were all throwing upwards of 30 Tds a year in a “running league” right….
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This whole "passing leage" seems very ESPN to say...
2008 it was all about the dominant running games of the Giants and Panthers in the NFC, as they were the 2 best teams at least in the regular season.
Its not a passing league. Its a copy cat league. Matter of time before its a “running league” again, possibly this year.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
Drew Brees has only thrown for over 30 Tds twice, never over 35.
And Peyton over 30 only five times (in a much longer career), only throwing over 35 Tds once so I don’t know where you’re getting tha number from.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting QB's
in the NFL right now should throw 3000 MINIMUM
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And yet...
Almost half the league didn’t last year, very interesting…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
really?!
Do you just guess and make stuff up?
19qbs threw over 3000yds thats more than half the league.
It is defna passing league now. Only one playoff team didnt throw for over 3000yds the jets go figure.
Really?! Really?!
Yea...19
Meaning 13 didn’t.
Which is three less than half.
Which, by all accounts, is almost half.
Time to move on bro.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Quote
Attributed to Mark Twain: “Beware of those who use statistics like a drunkard uses a light post, for support rather than illumination.”
Ooooohhh lovin this quote.
Gotta use it as my signature.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another
If you liked that quote, here is another along the same lines. I don’t know who to attribute it to, but I probably modified it a bit.
“An engineer always says that 2 + 2 equals 4. An artist would say that 2 + 2 could be either 4 or 22. An accountant says that 2 + 2 means whatever you want it to mean.”
Aikman had the NFL's all time leading rusher
Emmit Smith probably won those games more then Straight Troy did….
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no "Straight Troy," ask Joe Buck's butt
But listen we gotta be fair here.
1. Eli manning is no Troy Aikman (yet), Touchdowns be damned.
2. Eli should be considered a very damn good quarterback. Troy is in the discussion for best of the 90s more so than Eli is in it for, say, his ten years (when he gets there).
3. Is Eli in the discussion for best in the league right now? Nope. Definitely not. In the past 5 years, he’s not in the top 4 for sure, probably top 5.
4. I think we undervalued Eli before the Superbowl because of — his Down Syndrome face (right on G-Dini) and his playoff failures. Hell go look at the anti-Romo threads on BtB before the playoff win. They were in favor of dumping him.
5. There’s a lot to be said for winning and playoff winning and rings. That’s why Joe Montana > Dan Marino.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
There's no denying that Troy Aikman was a great playoff QB Simms
But if he put up those completely pedestrian regular season numbers with that all time offensive line, all time leading rusher, all time great defense, and Michael Irvin to put the icing on the cake, than I really don’t think I can call him the best of the 90s.
If Favre was on that team…he wouldn’t have only one ring, you can take that to the bank.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
all great QBs have their receiver.
Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, etc…
Had he not had Emmitt Smith, he woulda thrown for a lot more.
Listen I wish every NFC East rival would suffer from IBS, but you gotta tip the cap to Gaykman & McPuke
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I won't deny he was a great playoff QB
And a good regular season QB.
And won’t argue he earned his spot in the HOF.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and wore a pink cap to a red sox game
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
NO!
He didn’t!?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yes.
The sh* they sell for Sox chicks who think it’s cute. He wore a F*ing PINK “B” cap. And he’s not even a sox fan! (Guess)
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been searching for a photo of this.
Can’t find one, but my dad would get a kick out of it…so…the search continues!
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't that their colors anyway?
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli is very good
but he is not in that top echelon. Due to this, I voted NO, he is not elite in my books. Still fine with him as my QB though.
I'm curious...
You said you’re fine with him as your QB, but who of the QBs you do consider elite would you rather have as our signal caller?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Elite?
I suppose Peyton, Brees, and Brady qualify as elite presently. The others (that are around Eli’s level) would be guys like Rodgers, Rivers, Romo (yeah, he is a good QB), McNabb, Matty Ice, and Big Ben. Note that a lot of the guys on this level I would not want over Eli, but they might be more skilled QBs just the same.
seems like that's more a testament to the talent of the QB's in the NFL
and probably a big up to the new rules that favor the passing game.
Reality is…there’s only 2 QB’s that are head and shoulders above Eli, and that’s his brother and Brees.
Brady without his shotgun offense is merely a very accurate game manager. Rivers has probably the best OC in the NFL calling the plays for him in Norv Turner.
Really, the 2 I’d trade for Eli are big Bro and Brees. With a probably to be named later for Aaron Rodgers. What he’s done in a brief time behind a porous OL and a decent run game, is incredible.
Other then that…Eli.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brady's gone soft.
He’ll never re-attain his pre-2008 self.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
well
he had his 2nd best season despite only having 2 good wr ( moss n wes) having a shoulder injury thanks to haynesworth, 3 fractured ribs and a yr removed from an acl & mcl injury
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
This is a very intriguing thought
I’m noticing many of you saying the same things about Eli that we over at BtB have been saying about Romo all offseason. I’ll be very curious to see whether one or both of them live up to these new expectations.
God Bless Texas
I agree, however there is one small difference between the two QBs...
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeaaa yeaa :)
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, are you telling me that he won that ring
Reading what you wrote above, that Aikman didn’t won those rings, I didn’t believe that you would imply something like this…
Interesting, the actual definition of a homer.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Yeah aikman didnt win the most games in the 90s
The cowboys did. Hey Im not the won who said it blame it on the Football people.
But Eli defn won that ring not the giants right
Really?! Really?!
Simply pointing out a minor difference between the two QBs
All in good fun.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I got what you were going for Tito, no worries :)
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Jul 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
not yet
but in a few years of improvement or even sustained play at his current level and i would say yes. i like your point about consistency, and the best thing about eli is how he has consistently improved every year, but fact is, regardless of milestone stats, he wasn’t elite for the first half of his career thus far. he’s got a ring, but since football is a team sport and here we’re evaluating a single player (though at the most important position, admittedly).
he’s with the big ben, philip rivers and mcnabb group, just below brady, big bro and brees. he just hasn’t done enough (yet) to separate himself from the very good group to the elite.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
Safe to say you believe the potential is there?
And should he continue this stretch, you would consider him among the elite?
Only asking because he shows no signs of slowing down, and has proven to be very durable.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely
that is why the first sentence in my comment was
but in a few years of improvement or even sustained play at his current level and i would say yes
:)
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
Haha right.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Elite is the best of the best
It shouldn’t be a general statement like “very good”, “good”, “average”, etc. In my opinion the elite guys are the ones that are leaps and bounds better than the rest of the league. IMO it Peyton and Brees (in that order) and that’s it. No one else is elite. At least not right now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
A very fair opinion.
Would you have Eli in the next “class”, whatever you choose to name that?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I would definitely put Eli in the sub-elite class
Probably with Rivers, Romo, and Rodgers (heh, the R class?) Though I’d also still put Brady in the Elite class, too.
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As would I..
Brady was remarkably effective last year considering the circumstances.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no joke..
I was seriously considering naming this Fanpost “You Can’t Spell Elite without Eli.”
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 10:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm down with that.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 21, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There still will be
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You really think so?
I guess. Rapelesberger isn’t really considered Elite, but Eli has had more consistent numers than him so it’s tough to say.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I do
It’s the nature of the beast. He will always be compared to his brother who came in a much less pass happy time and has consistently averaged far better numbers. That alone will give fuel for the fire, be it right or wrong. Right now I am not sold. Elite? I am not sold. Heading in the direction of elite or could be elite by the end of his career? No reason to doubt that at this juncture
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the criteria for elite
in this argument is valid. and under this, the argument can be made that Eli is on the short list of QB’s to be considered elite.
The moments are there… the stats are there… and the guy is a great representative for the NFL.
But
My thought on the word Elite is this.
Can the argument be made the he is the best in the game at his position right now. The guys whose names come up in this argument, without chuckles from other fans, and Homerism (of which I am as guilty as anyone) are the elite.
I tried this argument with a few friends last night. One Dolphin fan, a Steelers fan, a cowboys fan, and a sports director, who is a reluctant Patriots fan, none of them bought my argument. Peyton, Brees and a healthy Brady dominated the conversation.
I like Eli Manning as a QB
And I would say he is top 6 or 7 but I wouldnt call him elite. He isnt a great thrower, still misses on to many throws. He fumbles too much. Peyton has lost 1 fumble since 2007. By comparison Eli has lost 17 over the same period. He does have great intangibles though.
About the fumbles...
On nfl.com it shows Eli has only lost 8 fumbles since ’07 (4 in ’09, 0 in ’08, 4 in ’07).
You also have to take into account that while neither QB is what you would call mobile (I would call Eli more mobile, but that’s not saying much) Eli has been sacked 84 times compared to Peytons 45 in that same time span.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point about the sacks
I got the numbers from Yahoo so they might not be accurate. If my memory serves I do think it is more than 8 though. Anyway, I think Eli is a very good overall QB and under appreicated by alot of people. I just dont that I would consider him “elite”.
Good post though, something to debate about during this OMG incredibly slow period.
haha exactly
At the end of the day Elite is just a word, and it’s all about how you choose interpret it.
What I think everyone can agree on is we have ourselves a damn good quarterback who we wouldn’t trade for anyone except maybe the other three quarterbacks currently playing who made the list.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli vs. Tony
Tony has four years behind the helm as a starter so let’s just take a gander at the comparison between Eli and Tony’s first 4 years at QB.
First off QB rating since that is the main basis behind how efficient a QB is. You can throw for 5000 yards with 50 TD’s, but if you have 50 picks that’s not as “Elite” as you think.
QB Rating-
Romo: 95.1, 97.4, 91.4, 97.6.
Eli: 55.4, 75.9, 77.0, 73.9
Next we will look at your “Elite” stats
Yards-
Romo: 2903, 4211, 3448, 4483
Eli: 1043, 3762, 3336, 3238
TD’s-
Romo: 19, 36, 26, 26
Eli: 6, 24, 24, 23
___________________
Ok so, basically That’s how they both started. If Eli is Elite, Romo is the greatest QB to ever play football. On a serious note though anyone can skew stats
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
"First off QB rating since that is the main basis behind how efficient a QB is."
So you won’t argue that Daunte Culpepper, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, and David Garrard are all far superior QBs than Troy Aikman right?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Reply below
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, since QB Rating doesn't matter (because Eli sucks at that aspect of stats)
I did a bit of research. Here is how Eli stacked up against the rest of the leaugue by year in yards and TD’s:
2004 – Yards 36th TD’s 36th
2005 – Yards 5th TD’s 4th
2006 – Yards 11th TD’s 6th
2007 – Yards 12th TD’s 11th
2008 – Yards 17th TD’s 11th
2009 – Yards 10th TD’s 9th
So “Elite” players in 6 years come in the top 5 at their position two times? Or top 10 five times? IDK Let’s see.
Peyton Manning, same 6 years:
2004 – Yards 3rd TD’s 1st
2005 – Yards 7th TD’s 2nd
2006 – Yards 2nd TD’s 1st
2007 – Yards 7th TD’s 4th
2008 – Yards 6th TD’s 5th
2009 – Yards 2nd TD’s 3rd
That looks a little more appropriate for ELITE. Top ten EVERYTIME and top five 3/4 of the time. THOSE are elite stats.
Semper Fi Do or Die
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are two different offenses for starters
Plus Eli first season up there doesn’t really count. Next these are his first years in the league. Peyton had already had a what 5-6 year advantage of course his numbers will look elite. Now show me Eli vs Peyton (same stats for his 5 first years)
Take that and ignore the rest?
Live your life blindly homeristic if you want to, but my point is valid. Eli is NOT elite. Period. Skew stats all you want but he isn’t. I didn’t say he was terrible, I think he’s well above average,but to say he’s elite is ridiculous at this point.
Semper Fi Do or Die
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Fail
Semper Fi Do or Die
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
most definitely
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mature
very mature
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What is your deal?
I didn’t even say a word to you…
Semper Fi Do or Die
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you're a troll
and we’re the troll patrol
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How are you this afternoon?
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think your comments made him sad..
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cheer up Tony,
- has A Johnson on his back!
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
took me like 6 minutes to get that
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
p.s. this troll is not representative of the 96%
totally cool and informed football fans at Blogging the Boys
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
P.S.
You got sensative over a legitimate point that was never addressed. That is not trolling.
Semper Fi Do or Die
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Okay I read what you wrote.
All I’m gonna say is I don’t see this:
Eli is NOT elite. Period. Skew stats all you want but he isn’t. I didn’t say he was terrible, I think he’s well above average,but to say he’s elite is ridiculous at this point.
As a legit point.
That’s you, taking your opininion, and trying to make it fact.
I can agree that Eli is not on Peytons level, nobody is. But just because Eli Manning is not elite in your mind, doesn’t make it so.
It’s fine if we disagree on a certain point. You could make a case for Romo being elite, and I would disagree. However, that would not make either one of us right or wrong…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he is 6 years in!
Peyton is 12. That’s legitimate. That’s HOF elite QB. 6 years of decent numbers, AND a ring is like I said well above average, but not elite YET. If he turns out like his brother so be it, if he stays on this same track maybe idk… but he will be in consideration for sure. THAT is what I am saying. Go ahead and ask me if Romo is elite. And I’m a Romosexual mind you
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
I never heard it before...
Can’t wait to bust it out on some of my buddies at the pub later tonight though.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And just in case you're wondering my answer to
Romo being Elite is heeeeeeeeeeellll no. Not because I don’t like him, but as I stated before. You have to call a spade a spade and until you play a successful number of years, and I’m not talking 4, you can’t be added in that pool. I also think he needs rings. That’s not the way I like it, and he can’t win them alone, but he needs rings to be considered by most as elite. Nature of the beast
Semper Fi Do or Die
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It does
but it’s funny. It’s not a term of insult to someone who likes their QB… who happens to have an easy name to take shots at.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
And I am not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion
by all means. I was just sharing MY personal 2 cents. Stats can be misleading, as you have also proven the same as I did.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Perfect.
Yes, I wil be the first to agree thatstats can be very misleading. As you might have already guessed, QB Rating is my least favorite stat of all time. The stat I had provided above is particularly a very interesting one, no?
And as far as your personal two cents go I haven’t once called them crazy, irrational, or biased (since they are shared by many people who have already posted) so all I ask is you extend me the same respect (since there are people who agree with my POV as well).
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Without a doubt
It’s all about being open minded. We can make a final judgement at the end of his career. We might come to different destinations still but it is still good debate material nonetheless
Semper Fi Do or Die
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This is where you say
“Sorry guys, didn’t mean to offend. Catch you Oct. 25, good luck”
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
you have misunderstood everything I’ve said.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
"Live your life blindly homeristic"
“Fail”
“Mature, very mature”
sorry, I thought you were being, respectively: Antagonistic; mocking; sarcastic.
Here’s a tip: If you irritate people on the fan site of another team talking about how one of their players isn’t good and your player is:
YOU’RE A TROLL.
Now, go wash the Lewinskies out of your Romo jersey and see you Oct. 25. Good luck.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here u go-
“Live your life blindly homeristic” – That was because the point was completely neglected and passed over with thought. If II post a topic I’m willing to listen and debate the facts with any and all fans.
“Fail” – That was to myself… I didn’t hit the reply button… Don’t see how thats causing anything.
“Mature, very mature” – It is was an unprovoked immature comment, while I was trying to say I made a failed reply. Yet again, I don’t know why the sensitivity level is so high on a blog where you should EXPECT an open debate.
If you don’t like opinions then blogs probably aren’t the best place. Without debate you would have nothing but a post and a head not from everyone. That my friend is called an article
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Name one place where I said Eli wasn't any good.
I think you will actually see quite the contrary. Just so you know.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Truth
Heading in the direction of elite or could be elite by the end of his career? No reason to doubt that at this juncture
Sounds more optimistic than half the Giants fans on here.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry...
The fact remains Eli has been consistently talented on a level that only five hall of famers, or future hall of famers have also done, any way you look at it, that’s the facts.
To me that puts him in a category of “Elite”, to you it doesn’t.
It’s fine that you have an opinion, the same way it’s fine that I have mine.
I’d just like to point out that almost 70% of the people who have read this blog would disagree with you, so perhaps it’s not me who is being the homer.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually,
If you read I never even said who was better than who. I told you I twisted stats, and knew I did to prove a point. That in no one says our QB is better than yours, just like your QB isn’t elite. 70% of THIS blog would agree with you, but 99% of the rest would not. So there my friend is the definition of homerism
Semper Fi Do or Die
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by Jeremiah_24 on Jul 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Again...
In you opinion.
Which you are entitled to.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry Jer-dog
Anyone who watches football outside of Dallas and New York would want Eli over Tony Homo.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...
Not necessarily true.
I’ve met plenty of censored word who’d pick romo over eli.
And I’m going to have to stick up for Jeremiah, he’s generally one of the good Cowboy fans I’ve read on SBN.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
(censored word)
was supposed to have asteriks around it, but I forgot that it bolds the word.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Honestly I'm not even here to argue.
Thanks Will, but all I said is stats can be skewed, I don’t know how that makes me a troll. I knew not to say Romo was obviously better than Eli I know where that argument would go. Why id it that no one actually READ what I wrote and just assumed I was talking sh*t?
Semper Fi Do or Die
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cuz no one cares about Romo
why he was even brought up, who knows.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Elite QB conversation...
If you are talking about QB’s especially in the NFC East they will be compared. They have been around almost the same time, played in the same division, and are rival QB’s. The first game in Cowboys stadium when we lost Eli wrote something in our visitor locker room. It’s conversation about football. I came to talk football, if you wanna get into a p*ssing contest because I’m talking about Romo then fine, I won’t respond to you anymore. Your blog you win tough guy.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Still can't believe Eli did that...
Didn’t seem like his personality at all, making it all the more hilarious.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i got a framed copy
of this to give to one of my Cowboys fan friends at our FF draft. Perfect for a wall of shame
maybe but I doubt it
As a packer fan I wouldn’t take anyone over Rogers right now
Thats why I don't like to get in to these sort of discussions
because the converstion is never a practical one. Even when you present the facts they are ignored and feelings are allowed to skew rational reason. I think your argument is sound.
A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eli is right there with the Giants team
He’s always been underrated IMO, just like the Giants are always underrated. I have no prob with that, because it leaves so much room to do what others are betting that you can’t. I wouldn’t say he’s elite just yet, but he’s pretty darn good. He’s got a Super Bowl ring, and played a large part in that Super Bowl. Yes it’s a team effort, and sucky QBs can get to the Super Bowl (see Bears). But Eli has been a good guy for the Giants and I wouldn’t change it.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
by GAgiantfan on Jul 22, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For the record, I'm glad we have Eli and not Romo
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
by GAgiantfan on Jul 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Eli has always been a great 4th Qtr QB
Most football games are won and lost in the 4th QTR
That is what makes him elite.
Exactly, as this is just another perception of what elite could mean.
Many could argue that no one is better in the fourth quarter than Eli, and if that’s something you perceieve to be an elite quality, than Eli would fall under that category.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ability under pressure
is always the final measure in any job. I recall Archie (the giant killer) Manning in college and his wonderful ability to make something happen under pressure. IMO, Eli is a little stronger under pressure than Peyton. I know with 2 minutes to go against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, I pick Eli over Romo…..stats be damned.
wouldn't you rather have
a fumbled FG hold or a game-ending INT?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
SO if Eli's Elite...
What does that make Bomar?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
they're building a seperate wing in the HOF in his honor.
in fact, he invented the single wing.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rhett Bomar was the first man to break the sound barrier in a jet plane
He just didn’t brag about it like that douche Chuck Yeager
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jet plane?
I heard it was a Razor Scooter…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Rocket plane
Chuck Yeager wasn’t in a jet plane when he broke the sound barrier. The Bell X-1 was powered by a rocket engine.
that rocket engine was powered by Rhett Bomar
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CORRECTION:
Chuch Yeager broke the sound barrier on the Bomar X-1
No video footage is left from the extraordinary feat, but enthusists have since found the follwoing picture:
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
enthusiasts*
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You've got it wrong, SM
Yeager was the first and there were many more who did it later. Bomar was the first man (actually a pre-teen when he did it) to do it on his own (without the help of an aerodynamic device). In fact, he’s the only one, although ( Ihate to acknowledge) Shockey has come close to duplicating the feat.
And I thought Shockey was just drinking rocket fuel for pure entertainment....
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
Shock would never break training.
Espcially for such a frivolous reason
He was just trying to get…
High…
Higher…
And fast…
Rocket fast…
Bomar fast!
I must say the Giants were certainly unsympathetic and really let him him down in terms of helping him accomplish his goals.
N.O. will help, but
I’m afraid it’s too late.
Shock has lost a step.
Maybe two.
This made me laugh out loud at work
“Bomar was the first man (actually a pre-teen when he did it) to do it on his own (without the help of an aerodynamic device).”
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jul 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
That's what's so great about BBV
It’s on the cutting edge re info of all kinds.
Particularly esoterica
About Bomar
And Shock
Peace.
About the stats
Eli has done this with a running first team/ and a good defense. To be at 5 straight years with 3k passing yards and 20 TDs is exceptional. Peyton, Brees, Brady, McNabb all have pass happy teams.
Eli is anything but consistent
he can be amazing in 1 game then throw for 60 yards and 2 picks the next week…..
If he can fix that he will be considered one of the best. Right now only NFC BEast fans really rate him as they’ve experienced his skills
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
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