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Time For Justin Tuck To Become A Leader

Michael Strahan said recently that defensive end Justin Tuck needs to step up and become the vocal leader of the New York Giants' defense.

"We talked about it last week," Strahan said. "Tuck's a smart guy, he's a logical guy to be the leader, one of the 'faces of the team' now. Whenever you're the face of the team that's one of the responsibilities. I have no doubt he can do it, I have no doubt he will do it."

Well, Strahan actually does have some doubt. Tuck at defensive end is the closest thing on the field the Giants have to Strahan, and Tuck the past two years has certainly emerged from Strahan's considerable shadow. But he's not a natural leader in the Strahan mold.

"You can't make somebody do something they may not want to do," Strahan said. "He can do it and he probably doesn't want to do it. The thing is, if you're a star player in New York City and you're going to get all the perks of being a star, you're going to be seen everywhere and everybody's going to respect you and everybody's going to say, 'You're great, you're great, you're great,' and you want to be treated like a star then you need to be one.

"The reluctance I don't understand. To me, if you want to win, you'll do whatever is required for you to win. If it requires you to step out of your comfort zone and to be more vocal and step on some toes in order to inspire and motivate guys, that's what the heck you got to do. Hell, that's what I did and I didn't apologize to nobody for it."

I believe Strahan is dead-on when it comes to Tuck. He is the team's best defensive player, is now a veteran, has a Super Bowl ring, a Pro Bowl pedigree and superstar status among the fan base. I know Tuck was hurt last year, and did not play as well as he or the Giants would have liked. His biggest failing, though, was not stepping into the leadership void left first by the departure of Strahan a couple of seasons ago and then by the season-ending injury to Antonio Pierce

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The Giants were not getting leadership from defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, and they were rudderless. Tuck said he felt he could not be vocal in criticizing teammates because he did not feel his own performance was up to par.

"The thing about me is that it is tough for me to say something to a guy or I guess lead a guy when I see something going on when I can’t lead by example. Because of the injuries this year I didn’t feel like I had a right to kind of say some of the things that I wanted to say because I couldn’t practice 100 percent and I couldn’t do the things that I wanted to do to kind of lead this team by example. For me, personally, it is tough to jump on some other guys for what he is doing when I am not able to do it myself.

"When you are coming off an injury and whatever my level is at 100 percent, if I am not at that level it is hard for me to start criticizing other people for whatever level they are at. I want to be playing at my all-time high all the time before I say anything to somebody else on where they might be."

I believe I have said this before, but I believe Tuck is misguided here. Regardless of how healthy he was, Tuck gave everything he had on every play. I believe doing what he did with one healthy arm put him in an even better position to lead, to demand from his teammates that they gave everything they had. Something which, it was painfully obvious, did not happen all the time in 2009.

Hopefully, Tuck will accept the mantel of leadership this season. Whether he goes through the year 100% physically or not.

Other Giants News & Notes

"We've got something to prove this year coming back and starting this year off right just like last year and being able to have a tremendous year this year is going to take a lot of teamwork ... "The team wasn't there. The team concept, we didn't play as a team. We didn't play as one, which to win football games you've got to play as one. You've got to play with one heart, one will. We just didn't come as one."

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No Doubt

I have no doubt at all that Tuck will be a great leader for the team from this year on. I also believe that other leaders will emerge too and on both sides of the ball. Brandon Jacobs has no other direction to go but to improve and Bradshaw will be fine. He has played hurt so much and this year he will be healing or healed.

Yes the linebacker situation is a concern but with the front 4 playing very strong and the secondary at a high level the line backers will not have that much pressure on them and this will help them to emerge as a good unit. There is some talk that just like last year’s weakness (WRs) became teams strength during the season thus the LBs will emerge the same way. Nothing is automatic and that is an incorrect analogy. This is a different year and LBs will have to produce and they will come through but it will all depend on the front 4.

I am not too sure how the special teams will work out till we see what happens in training camp. The team is very embarrassed and frustrated from last year and should not fall off this year.

Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but a calling!

by BB1156 on Jul 19, 2010 6:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I see that logic in Tuck's argument and I think he's right.

How can you criticize another player’s performance if your performance is not eqaul or better? I respect Tuck for acknowledging that but it is this qaulity that makes him the perfect candidate for the job. Strahan shouldn’t really be saying anything about what Tuck should do because he dosen’t know what Tuck wants. How is he Suddenly the expert on what players should do? Tuck has made his interest known about the leadership job and basically in an aroundabout way he is saying he dosen’t want the job.

A game of Chess is like a sword fight....you must think first....before you move.

by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 19, 2010 6:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes

I somewhat agree with LoNJDTechnology . This reminds me of reading that Tiki advised Jacobs to change his playing style and look what it got us. The former players may mean well but during this weak time of recovery from last years debacles I would like to see them not crossing areas that involve team culture and/or too much advise on how to play and not to play. The players are not dumb and know what their business is and they have coaches. Above all they have us fans who will scream if things go wrong and we may not be all experts but between all of us we do cover all the aspects of the game.

I do not like formers players interfering into culture of the locker room and/or putting words in currents players mouths. If they want to help then they should encourage and say positive things. They cannot wear two caps at the same time. They should not be a reporter and former well wishing player of the team. They can criticize or examine things when they are on their tv show with their analyst buddies. But when they are taking interviewing our players or giving statements they can help by just motivating the team.

Being a New York Football Giants fan or a player is not a label but a calling!

by BB1156 on Jul 19, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about effort, not results

Tuck’s results were not as good as they had been, but his effort was as good or better than ever. He gave everything he had playing with one arm, while it was obvious some of his teammates had packed it in. When you are giving more effort than those around you, you CAN criticize others.

by Ed Valentine on Jul 19, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm also giving him a pass for last year

 
  The fact that they weren’t getting the proper leadership from Sheridan made it doubly tough to emerge as a new leader when you’re incapable of performing at 100%. Especially if that’s not your personality. It was a tough spot during the late season slide to start calling out team mates without it sounding like you’re blaming them, especially if you haven’t already established yourself as a leader.
 But this year, with the fiery Fewell on the sidelines, no excuses. You’re absolutely right, he needs to lead the defense. Rolle and Grant, in spite of being new guys, sound like they are ready to step in and add some veteran leadership.. We’ll see who else emerges. Maybe one of the starting linebackers will surprise in this area and become a vocal force on the field?

by ronjohnson on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

On another note:

There is a report that Hixon has got put on IR after he cleared waivers.

I need to understand some of these things and am putting it in open to see what is Ed’s respond as well as as other fans.:

1) When Hixon was waived from the team a few days ago was he removed from the team to clear the roster space so that his spot does not tie up a spot going into training camp?

2) Why was he waived and put out there for grabs if he was going to be on our own IR later? Yes it does not seem that some team will pick up a guy headed towards IR (of any team he may have ended up with) but he can still be valueable to a team in the future. So why was that risk taken?

3) Since he was waived, his contract was null and void from that point on. So he did not have the contract anymore then how did it justify to put him on IR? What exactly was he clearing in waivers when there are no contract.

4) Now that he is on IR, did he sign a new contract for his salary for this year (and for the future for that matter)? Was it in his contract that in case he is headed to the IR he can be waived and then re-signed (and on that old salary)?

5) Why go through all those steps when his contract expires next year nd he is going to sit on IR anyway.

This whole sequence of events needs some explaining. I do hope he recovers very well and becomes the asset that he is for us. He is a good guy with good attitude and does not bring us any headaches. It is so unfortunate for him and us that he got hurt. He is a class act and the Giants organization were not classy the way they waived him after he got hurt on the turf of all things. I am wondering if they really intended to let him go for good since his contract was up next year and he was not available this year and then later changed their minds to bring him back in.

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by BB1156 on Jul 19, 2010 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Hixon

I noted that toward the bottom of this post. Let me answer your questions.
1. Yes, the Giants had to do this to open a training camp roster spot. The signed Adam Jennings, a return specialist, to fill that spot.
2. NFL rules are such that before, or during, training camp you cannot IR a player w/out waiving him first. This is done so teams don’t try to ‘hide’ players.
3. No, his contract was not null and void. He was still Giants’ property until claimed by someone else.
4. No new contract.
5. They went through all that because a) by rule it is what they had to do and b) they like the player and hoped he would clear waivers so they could keep him.

by Ed Valentine on Jul 19, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Okay thanks for the clarifications Ed and you did that pretty fast too.

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by BB1156 on Jul 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your personality is what it is

At this point, I don’t see Tuck changing it. If he really wanted to assume that leadership role, he would’ve done it at this point. Sometimes there are born leaders, then there are those that lead by example. I think Tuck is the latter. Can we really ask him to change now, and expect him to do so with much conviction?

by wilddre22 on Jul 19, 2010 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly...we cannot foist this upon him

The leader of the team doesn’t have to be the best player, only the best leader.

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 19, 2010 7:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree!

Tuck needs to be a leader regardless of performance. Maybe it was Pierce not being there, but what do I know!

Good to see that they were able to IR Hixon and IR him, he is a great Giant and would not liked to see him get away for nothing!

Go Giants!

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 19, 2010 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Tuck is a little mis-guided on certain things a leader do

I do believe that everyone sees that he can be a “vocal” leader for this team if he so chooses to. Yes, there are born leaders, and leaders who either lead by example, by being vocal or both, and others that learn how to become leaders…
I see Tuck as a person who is trying to learn how to be a leader “vocally” – but is already one, that leads by example. At the same token, he is one that doesn’t like to criticize others, and leaders don’t criticize others – they motivate them. And there are soo many ways of motivating different personalities – but one common factor always remains, and that is…you must be respected first. And quite frankly, he is probably the most respected person on the team.

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by 27Tango on Jul 19, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Leadership

There I no question some players packed it in last year. They doubted the coaching, and undermined the ‘team’ concept. I don’t care if I was the backup long snapper on special teams, if I knew I was working my tail off, preparing and giving it my all, I would have no problem calling someone out who was slacking off. Tuck, Bradshaw, Eli, O’Hara- all people who seem to take their job and the team very seriously- all people who could have/should have called out some of the others and let them know they were letting down the team. Not something that needs to e said in the media, but certainly in the locker room.

by pataroons on Jul 19, 2010 9:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

look at

phil mconkey he was a leader for the giants and all he really did is catch a punt/kick and run into 3 or 4 defenders with no fear So performance and leadership dont go hand in hand ITS CALLED HEART

by lou b on Jul 19, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Strahan was an emotional leader

But Pierce was the on field general. I think that Tuck needs to step up in the emotional department, revving guys up, pushing their buttons, but the Giants also need an on field general.

by trueblue63 on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate this topic

leadership….

I think it comes in many different forms….and I think it can be used by the media and the higher ups how ever they please….even if it’s a smoke screen

Yes, Stray was a leader….he was also a leader on a lot of underachieving teams that got bounced early from the playoffs leaving us fans wanting to pull our hair outta our head…..hello?!?!?! Where was Stray to police Shockey or Barber or Plax how about Ron Dixon when the P.O.S. was missing practices and walking all over coach Jim Fassel????

Yes, he did make it to the promise land…..along with 52 other guys….and a bunch of coaches. Yes, he was a vocal, yes, he was a “leader”….BFD….more importantly he was one of the best DE to ever play the game!!!!

I’m sure Stray did step outta his comfort zone AT TIMES in his career….definitely more towards the end of it.

There’s many different types of leadership….You don’t always have to be an “in your face” guy…..I’m sure guys command respect with actions as opposed to words…..like an Eli for example.

I’m just curious…..does anyone out there think that if AP didn’t get injured last year it would prevented this team for shitting the bed and embarrassing themselves down the stretch? Personally….I say no. AP wouldn’t have saved us last season….

so yes, the leadership argument is overblown IMO

amazing that we’re still talking about this actually…..especially after one of the worst personnel moves by giving the reigns to Sheridan (which somehow seems to be totally forgotten like it never happened or something?)

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

to answer your question about AP

No, it wouldnt have saved our season, but having him may have let us end the season with a little pride. If AP was on the feild for the Minnisota or Carolina games, our guys might have given some effort with AP’s motivation behind them.

by #56 4life on Jul 19, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe it for a minute.....

GMs Manage, Coaches Coach, Players Play….

Everyone had a part in last year’s debacle….but for some reason this “leadership” thing just won’t go away.

You want Tuck to lead so bad….give him a clip board and a whistle. There is only so much a player can do (on the field)….how can he call out his teammates when he agrees w/ them that the calls are wrong?

Even Strahan wasn’t a miracle worker….I remember plenty of horrible defensive performances while Fassel had us playing “prevent D”…..while Stray was on the field!!!

It just bothers me that this “leadership” thing still comes up….time and time again….but since sheridan has been gone no one has really said jack about him….or the fact that JR’s FA signing have yet to pay dividend, or the fact that we entered the season w/ 3 safeties….

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

If the wrong plays are called you arent going to win the game. But if you have a leader on the feild motivating you, the team wont play flat and the game will be more competitive. Having a leader on the feild prevents your team from quitting and giving up.

As far is Tuck is concerned, no I dont want him as a leader. Tuck’s football style is clear to me, he plays and keeps his mouth shut. He doesnt give advise to other players and doesnt tell them how to do things better. He plays his postition and trusts everyone else to do the job that they were assigned to do. If I’m looking for an on the feild leader for the Giants, I heard KP can be a vocal leader. But he might not even be playing to often this year so Im not sure about that

by #56 4life on Jul 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said, AP wouldn't have saved the ship from sinking last year.....

Carolina and Minn were not the only embarrassing games from last year…..

AP was on the field vs. Philly and vs New Orleans…..what happened in those games? because the giants looked disgusting vs. them too.

this whole “leadership” issue IMO was “created”…..sounds crazy, and it sounds like a conspiracy theory….i know this….but I really feel like I’m being force feed this “leadership” stuff….it just simply won’t go away. Here we are in July and it’s still a hot topic. Why?

Yeah, it plays a part….a minor part in the big scheme of things….I’m just not sure why we can all move on from Bill Sheridan, the Injuries, carrying 3 safeties, but we can’t move on from this?

It’s like accidentally setting fire to your house, and than getting mad at your wife because she had a lot of Nail Polish remover in the bathroom…..yeah, but you were the schmuck who fell asleep w/ the lit cigarette!!!

(Sorry analogies are not my strength)

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, yeah I'm no good at analogies either.

The reason we moved on from BS, Injuries, and 3 safties is because we have already worked on those problems. BS was fired and replaced with Fewell, Injuries have been tended to and are healing. We drafted a saftey and brought in two more in free agency. KP is a solution to both the saftey and injury problem. Nothing has been done about on feild leadership and since its the middle of July and nothing is happening football wise, this is the subject we fall back on

by #56 4life on Jul 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a very good point....

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear what you are saying...

but let me just go on record, that I don’t think it was leadership that hampered last years productivity. Nobody really bought in completely with BS’s defense…and the injuries, etc. that you mentioned.

But on a separate note, I do believe that AP’s leadership will be missed, but will be replaced eventually by someone this year…not exactly the way AP did things of course.

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by 27Tango on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's where I think Rolle and Grant are perfect for the GMen's current situation...

You have FUEL as DC who specialized in Secondary play…and Rolle & Grant are veterans with vocal skills…I think for this year at least, I can see them really contributing in that department…so I know this is their first year in NY, but it is also a brand new Defensive system…so everyone is basically at square one.

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by 27Tango on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree it wouldn't matter if AP came back healthy last season...

because really, if he did try to lead…it didn’t matter b/c my favorite DC of all time…Mr. BS – confused the heck out of everybody on the field…so even if AP barks out orders and gets on the rest of the guys grills.. honestly he could only do soo much – b/c it was plain as a day that people were a step behind or confused with Mr. BS’s master plan…

I always did say, once I noticed what was happening…I clearly did not like BS at all…esp. since I had to actually defend the dude earlier in the season with some of my Eagles/Cowboys friends…

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by 27Tango on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe leadership is absolutely necessary

Imagine Mariano Rivera on the Pirates. He would never go to the playoffs. He would get very few save opportunities even in the regular season. Essentially, he would be wasted. Now put him back on the Yankees. He’s been an indispensable cog in five World Series titles. There’s no way the Yankees win without him. By the way, Joba is really asking for a one-way ticket back to Nebraska but I digress.

That’s how I see leadership. On a bad team with little chance of winning, leadership can’t replace talent and good coaching. It doesn’t equate to a lot. However, it is extremely important on a good team that has a chance to go far. Leadership molds talent, controls egos, maintains a good locker room, etc.

by GhostDini on Jul 19, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

this is an interesting example

because you look at Mo’ and while i think he’s been a great leader …. does he REALLY fit the bill???

is he an “in your face” kinda guy? No.

Does he mold Talent? Looking at Joba….“no”

Does he control egos? Again, Looking at Joba….his understudy….“no”.

Does he maintain a good locker room? I guess, but my money is on Girardi for that….

Jeter is also a quiet captain, like Mattingly….do they have their teammates respect, support, and attention? HELL YEAH.

When the Giants were winning Tuck was the same “lead by example” guy….but now that they’re not winning that’s a problem?!?! and somehow our best player on defense is catching heat from the media because of it…..which is not fair IMO.

I guess what i’m trying to say here is that leadership is needed…..but you also have coaches for that….and i’m not sure how you can by bypass the coaches and point the finger at the players when it’s clear they had no help…..from the coaches.

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tuck's silence in 2008 was OK

because he wasn’t the only leader on the defense. McQuarters and Madison were there for the secondary. Pierce and to a much lesser extent, Clark were there for the LBs. Heck, even Fred Robbins was considered a leader by this teammates.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/01/fred_robbins_roller-coaster_ti.html

Robbins has quietly gone about his business in his time with the Giants. He has never said anything controversial and refused to use any of his injuries as excuses. Behind the scenes, he’s more vocal as a leader and — according to his teammates — a witty, humorous presence.

All of those veterans are gone. It’s Tuck’s defense. It’s his time now.

by GhostDini on Jul 19, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

so Robbins was a leader and he was part of the team last year....

and we still fell flat? especially along the Dline.

Like you said above it’s a factor…I just don’t think it’s that big a factor….

Clark was there last year too….and AP for half the season….

I guess #56 for Life makes a good point…maybe this subject refuses to Die because we’ve address all the other issues….but I just think it’s way over blown….

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said

leadership is what puts a good team over the top. It doesn’t make up for bad coaching (Sheridan) or bad talent (Brown, Rouse).

by GhostDini on Jul 19, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lastly....

this is why i hate the “leadership” argument…

it can be used whenever, wherever, however….and at the discretion of anyone.

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Mo and Jeter

everyone says that they command the locker room. Any new player who came to the Yankees prior to this year always looked to those guys on how to deal with the media, the fans, the expectations, etc. They had built up years of credibility.

For the Giants, Tuck has credibility. He waited his turn behind Osi and Strahan and shined in 2008. He’s played through injuries. He showed up in the biggest game: the 2007 Super Bowl. If no one else is going to speak up, then it’s on him.

by GhostDini on Jul 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly! I agree with that 100%

and my point is, they can do that AND be “leaders” ….without having to call players out, yelling and screaming, or having to play “coach” in the locker room

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is that

both Jeter and Posada have called plenty of player-only meetings. They’ve spoken to people in the locker room, especially Posada.

Tuck has admitted that he didn’t feel comfortable talking to other players last year.

by GhostDini on Jul 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's true.....

ok i’m waving my white flag….

I’m still thinks it’s overblown….I still think Hanlon created this theory last year….and I think it will be a “non issue” moving forward. Once the Giants start winning again (and they will start winning again) this topic will go away….

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate Tuck's point

Look at how ridiculous Osi looked getting in everyone’s face during the Broncos game and then not recording a meaningful stat as they ran all over his side of the field. Everyone gets beat, and if Troy Polamalu gets burned on a single pass play nobody will discount what he says that game, because everyone knows he will make plays at some point. A leader can be vocal, or can lead by example, or preferably both. Tuck is more type B, and doesn’t figure he can be type A if type B isn’t working. I really respect that alot.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 19, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Tuck in a Leadership role...

I will agree with Strahan’s comment that to be an effective vocal leader you sometimes have to take a step outside your normal comfort zone. Eli Manning is a perfect example. As a younger NFL player, even though he played at a position that demands a strong presence as a vocal leader, Eli struggled with that role at first. After all he was Easy Eli. However, once he became more comfortable around his teammates and developed as a player, he stepped outside his comfort zone to become that vocal presence on the field and in the lockerroom. I believe that Tuck can be an effective leader if he just applies himself. We will see.

by ejcal70 on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed. Tucks gotta be the voice on the defense, and i think it will come

but that photo needs to be shopped. It crys “haters gonna hate”

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

that photo is classic...

he’s doing his best Jamie Fox impression! lol

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by 27Tango on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

vocal leadership is not something everyone can do

as long as he plays well and trains hard, that can speak for itself

by Rickfansince76 on Jul 19, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Tuck will never be a vocal leader

I’ve met him and he is one of the quietest most soft spoken people you will ever meet. He can lead by example but a guy who let’s his wife do all the talking at dinner is not going to fire guys up in the huddle. I just don’t think he is comfortable with public speaking and is too nice

Just like Eli won’t ever be the emotional leader on o (he is a child and needs a lot of coddling) tuck won’t be the leader on d. Someone else needs to step up

by ryanwk628 on Jul 19, 2010 8:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Maybe Tuck can just play "daddy" ?!?!

I don’t know about you but growing up my Mother was the disiplinarian….my Father however was the one who we feared.

My mom could yell, scream, hit me, punish me….and chances were good that I’d do it again….

My father could just look at me and not say one word and I learned my lesson….my father never punished me, hit me, or even scolded me….he didn’t have to. I knew better.

Maybe Tuck doesn’t have to be the resident Cheerleader but he can still lay down the law.

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Tuck is healthy, playing his game, registering a sack a game...

and playing stout against both the run and rushing the passer, I don’t care if he says two words to his teammates or the media. I think Fewell will take care of a lot of the motivation of the defense and that’s fine. Tuck can add what he wants and is comfortable doing to those whom he thinks it’ll make a difference for. I’m a whole lot more worried about him getting healthy and playing his position as he’s shown he’s able to than his future career as a motivational speaker. If he’s playing All-Pro, he’ll get respect and an open ear from everyone.

by Cranky50 on Jul 19, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you know I'm in 100% agreement with you

hence my comment about Tuck being able to “lay down the law” without having to be “in your face”….if it even has to come to that. Which i don’t think it will.

that comment was kinda lighthearted too if you know what i’m saying.

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by andiamo708 on Jul 19, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem...

   I just got to read down the thread and agree that this whole area is kind of a construction. Some people can be targeted as leaders before a campaign begins, but I think we’ve all been involved in activities, projects and other undertakings, both in sport and outside of it, where there are the guys with the “titles” and “expectations of leadership” and then there are the people that the group actually follows. Sometimes they’re the same people, sometimes they’re two totally different groups. The Giants WILL have leadership this year, and I’m sure they’ll sort out who it comes from in it what manner. To be honest, I expect they had leadership last year, but it wasn’t positive or motivational. Maybe the players followed commander Sheridan into disaster, maybe the leaders they preceived were bickering amongst themselves or griping about where Sheridan was going, or TC, or Reese or whatever. But it’s a problem that the team will solve internally and I don’t think the media, us, or former players will do the picking and choosing. What I do know is if the guys play the way they’re capable of, they’ll be winning games, and nothing helps team chemistry like WINNING!

by Cranky50 on Jul 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't be something you are not.

Some players are leaders. Some are not.

I won’t say its impossible, but it would be a mistake to say that Tuck should become a leader….. to me, he has never looked like the “leader” type.

The leader does NOT have to be the best player on the team or their side of the ball. More often than not, its more about ATTITUDE and PERSONALITY than anything else.

If you think you are going to see Justin Tuck rah-rahing with his pom-poms in front of the D or giving the offensive line a lecture before the last drive of the Superbowl – you are just kidding yourself. He is more likely to be found reading library books – but THATS OK – you have to be who you are. Someone on the Giants D will step forward, and we do NEED someone to step forward – maybe a vet like Rolle…….

by dubsrub on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 on Rolle

he’s in a perfect scenario to be that guy

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

tuck and media

dont you love how tuck HATES the media.. hes like wow leave me alone you annoying *

by wrxsti28 on Jul 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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