Brandon Jacobs the NFL's Most Overrated Player?
So says Pete Prisco of CBS Sports.
My most overrated player is New York Giants running back Brandon Jacobs. Even after 1,000-yard seasons in 2007 and 2008, I thought he was a bit overrated. People became enamored with his size since he is huge for a back at 6-feet-4 and 265 pounds.
But I think his size hurts him. He doesn't make tacklers miss. If there is no hole, he isn't cutting to find one. He runs straight ahead and upright, not my style of back.
Jacobs gained 3.7 yards per rush last season and wound up with 835 yards. He seemed to tiptoe into the line. His touchdown total dropped from 15 to six. Some of it might have been the result of a knee issue that required scoping after the season, but I think the Giants offense is significantly better when Ahmad Bradshaw, all 5-9 of him, is in the backfield.
Bradshaw gained 4.8 yards per carry last season. He is much more explosive and can make people miss.
Running over people the way Jacobs does sometimes will get you on highlight shows. But it's not the way to run.
It's the way to earn an overrated label. He's this year's overall winner.
Are you buying what Prisco is selling? I'm not. At least not completely. And probably not for the reasons you think.
See, in order to buy the notion that Jacobs is 'overrated,' you have to have overrated him in the first place. Which means you have to believe that he is in that upper echelon of backs that includes Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson and maybe a few other guys who can be considered "great."
I have never put Jacobs in that class. He is part of a large NFL contingent of 'very good" backs, at least when he is right.
The most overrated player in the league? Prisco's argument seems largely based on his distaste for Jacobs' straight-ahead, run over instead of around the defense, style.
Here is what I believe about Jacobs. He is not a create your own hole, make a guy miss in the backfield type of runner. Never has been, never will be. He needs an offensive line that can give him a hole, getting him to the second level and allowing him to do what the Giants pay him to do. That, of course, is punish linebackers and defensive backs, allowing the Giants to establish the physical tone they look for.
In 2007 and 2008 the Giants' offensive line was among the best in football. Jacobs' 4.9 yards per carry average in both of those seasons was testament not to his elusiveness, but to the line's ability to get him to the second level and allow him to do what he does best -- wear down defenses with his 265-pound frame.
In 2009, Rich Seubert played hurt and was not effective. Same with blocking fullback Madison Hedgecock. Right tackle Kareem McKenzie, an excellent run blocker, missed time with injuries.
As a result, Jacobs sometimes looked like Ron Dayne, tip-toeing around and looking for a place to go. Often, there wasn't one. His knee injury certainly slowed him some, but the dip to 3.7 yards per carry had as much or more to do with the line that it did with Jacobs himself.
Remember, that line helped Derrick Ward to a 1,000-yard season in 2008 and a resulting big free-agent contract with Tampa Bay. Ward gained all of 409 yards (3.6 per carry) last season with the Buccaneers.
Despite his size he isn't really a great short-yardage runner because needs momentum, a crack to get through. Plowing straight ahead on third-and-one he isn't going to get those things. Personally, I like Jacobs on the "stretch" play because it allows him to build a head of steam by the time he gets to the line of scrimmage and make one fairly simple cut to get headed upfield.
Will we ever see Jacobs average 4.9 yards per carry again? I doubt it. Will we ever see him play a full season with getting hurt? I doubt that, too. Is there an argument that can be made that Bradshaw is the better back? Sure there is. Especially in today's big-play oriented NFL where there is less emphasis on grinding out first downs and controlling the clock and more on trying for the home run.
Jacobs, though, should still be able to get the Giants four yards a crack if the blocking in front of him can give him a place to run. That's enough for him, and the Giants' running game, to be effective.
Is he overrated? Only if you aren't willing to recognize how dependent he has always been on the blocking in front of him in the first place.
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Hard to get aggravated by Pete Prisco
He isn’t very good at predictions
I hope he's right on some of em
he gave the Giants draft an A+++++++++++
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
He kept down playing Tom Brady until they started making his bust for Canton.
Once he had 3 superbowl rings, then he got on board.
Nah
Jacobs makes a big target and we all know there were a number of issues behind the demise of the running game.
I still like him as the starter and AB coming in…getting pretty equal carries.
Jacobs did not help himself but he is not he only reason and not deserving of this tag from Pricso
Ed's pretty much dead on, IMO
One thing that really aggravates me is that the Giants seem to have a “big guy plowing through the line” philosophy in short yardage downs, which are really the worst downs for a big guy, especially down by the goal line, when everything gets bunched up. I know it seems like a big guy should be able to just bowl over defenders to pick up a yard or two, but remember that even the biggest RB’s (like Jacobs) are still smaller than the average DT’s, and when those DT’s are backed up by LB’s and safeties, he’s not gonna go anywhere.
I’ve always believed that in short yardage situations, you’re much better off with a little guy like Bradshaw, who can disappear, dance around, and find a hole, than you are with a big guy like Jacobs. In his prime, LDT may have been the best goal line back of all-time, and nobody would confuse him with a bruiser.
2009 Did Not Happen
Meggett proved your point on many, many 3rd downs, some short yardage and some long
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
i respectfully disagree CJ
we seem to forget that that is the exact reason we fell in love with him, when that was his only job his first 2 years behind tiki. i mean, his rookie year, i can remember, on 2nd and 3rd and short, when big boy came in, it was automatic first down. he wasn’t getting stopped at all back then.
he also was our goal line specialist those 2 years….16 TDs in his 1st two seasons! that’s bananas for a backup. i mean, if he was bad at goal line situations, TC wouldn’t have kept him in that role for 2 seasons, especially when you had a top 5 back in front of him.
so i think time has made alot of us forget what he used to be. now i don’t know if defenses figured out how to tackle him, or if he changed up his style once he became the starter to elongate his career, but to say AB is better at what made Big Boy, Big Boy, i just don’t agree, at all.
it's true that Jacobs was a very good goal line back
but, he was also pretty quick and nimble for a big guy (a quickness he seemed to have lost last year), and he also had one of the best O-lines in football opening massive holes for him. I remember a lot of short yardage plays where the whole defense would pile into the middle, Jacobs would hesitate a second, and then burst through the line untouched and scamper for 10-20 yards into the secondary. He wasn’t really bowling people over, the way they have seemed to try to do the past two seasons with him (and what they did with Ron Dayne for years, despite all evidence that he sucked in short yardage).
2009 Did Not Happen
Don't forget Kevin Killdrive is our offensive coordinator
Kevin loves to tell the Defense exactly what he is doing before the snap so, Having Jacobs in on third and short is exactly what he wants to do.
by Late for Dinner on Jun 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Prisco basically disqualifies himself
from calling Jake overrated by saying he’s not his style of back. So of course he’s gonna think he’s overrated.
If all parties involved are healthy and moving like clockwork, Jake will be back to 2008 form. Jacobs looked like 2008 Jacobs in the preseason last year (I know..preseason, but it seemed everything else from the preseason carried over) so if he didn’t have that MCL tear, he probably is that dude again..at least as much as he could be behind the OL.
I’m more concerned with Bradshaw’s 2 broken feet and who exactly the 3rd RB is, or at least who’s gonna fill that gaping whole Ward was in the offense.
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As usual, this is someone trying to pass off their opinion as fact
But I think his size hurts him. He doesn’t make tacklers miss. If there is no hole, he isn’t cutting to find one. He runs straight ahead and upright, not my style of back
So automatically, because it’s “not his style” he’s overrrated. What a joke.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Based on last year
Prisco would appear to be right. But I disagree with him on Jacobs in 2007. If he can return to form, he’ll be a boon for the offense. He ran poorly and tentatively last season.
Jacobs also does tend to run his mouth
and last year didn’t really back it up. That skews non-fan’s views towards him in a negative way. But I agree with ED 100%, you have to be rated at the top to be overrated. Maybe Prisco’s argument is that he’s overrated because he shouldn’t start at all? If that’s the case, he didn’t make it very clear.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jun 7, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
next time Pete
Deliver your opinion in person…
Big BJ will show you overrated!!
by Eli10 on Jun 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Media
The media outside of NY has a dislike for NY teams and athletes. How about the most overrated team in football? The Cowboys. Year after year the Boys are predicted to play in the SB. An interesting prediction considering they Boys finally won a playoff game for the first time in more than a decade.
If you read the article
he lists an overrated and underrated player for every NFL team.
He has named BJ as his overrated Giant – given he had to pick someone from the Giants – it is a fair choice.
Now if BJ responds with 1200+ yards in 2010 he will not be overrated.
Who would you have picked as an overrated Giant?
by G Fan in England on Jun 7, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
honestly, at this point
do they have anyone who is overrated? A few months ago I would have said Osi, but it seems like everyone’s so down on him now that he can’t be overrated. The national media talks about the Giants like they went 3-13 last year, so I don’t really think they HAVE any overrated players. I guess Jacobs best fits the bill, but I don’t know how many people really overrate him – in fact, at this point he may almost be underrated.
2009 Did Not Happen
I think Osi
because fans of other teams still think he’s one of the best players on the D. Maybe he can be again, but not now. Canty would be a solid 2nd.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jun 7, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree CJ
if you look at the starters no one is overrated to any degree.
You could say the Giants have several underachievers but that does not make them overrated.
by G Fan in England on Jun 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Read closer
he has Jacobs as the most overrated in the NFL. It’s in the opening few paragraphs.
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Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jun 7, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh
Teach me to speed read an article!
by G Fan in England on Jun 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I had high hopes for Canty
and it seemed like when he did play, he just disappeared. Yeh yeh injuries, I know. I guess I didn’t expect that since his prior injury record was clean.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I think this guy underrates the value of one of those bone-crunching trucks on the complexion of both the Giants offense and the opposing team’s defense. Defenses are used to dishing out punishment, not the other way around, and when Jacobs would demolish a defender it would really help establish the Giants’ offensive game-plan. Has that running style taking it’s toll on Jacobs? I don’t think that’s debatable. But for those two glorious year when Jacobs was doing his thing he was an invaluable part of the Giants’ success.
Overrated and undercoached
I know that if the Gaint front office had its head straight on this, they would hire OJ Anderson as a technical coach for Jacobs. Jacobs lacks the true understanding of when to go for it and when to finesse. He has poor posture in running and definitely does not keep his knees high to punish all who try to tackle him. OJ ran hard all the time and did not spend a lot of time injured. I like Brandon, but he is not the cerebral “stud” that OJ and Hamton were.
sorry man....
but how can OJ coach Jacobs on staying healthy?
can he teach jacobs how to shrink in height? turn his 6’4" frame into 5’8"????
the guy takes too many hits to the knees and ankles…which is not his fault….b/c he’s too damn tall to help it.
at the end of the day the guy has had 1 off year (being injured) after having 2 really good years and you’re ushering him out the door….
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
this.
Jacobs is just too unique a back for someone to truly teach him how to run lower then low.
Maybe he should run out of the 3pt stance?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jun 7, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the wire.....
was one of the best series’ on TV….ever.
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
totally disagree
“The wire was one of the best series’ on TV….ever.”
There, fixed it.
2009 Did Not Happen
+1
Mesmerizing show. I looked forward to it as much as the Sopranos. Boy, did HBO have a great run for a while. That quirky 6 Feet Under was great as well. Ok, back to football.
Who exactly overrated BJ?
When the Giants play Cowboys media basically equates Marion Barber and BJ
You know I was reading an article from Matt Mosley....
he was saying how the Running back situation in New York is uncertain b/c AB should be starting….because Jacobs is taking punishment and getting injured.
a few days later he wrote an article about Dallas’ running back situation. Apparently Marion Barber will be better this year because w/ Choice and Jones he won’t have to carry the ball that many times and hence will be able to stay healthy….so splitting time is a good thing and will benefit the Cowboys.
where as in New York AB splitting time with Jacobs is a controversy.
Just amazing how ones personal preference can influence one’s opinion……
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
i find it interesting
that Big Boy and Marion’s career path are eeriely similiar, as they both started as short down power backs, but while Big Boy elevated his play as a starter(his first 2 years) “The Barberian” disappointed as a starter. nary a 1000 yard season under his belt, and his YPC has gone down. it shows me who is really the more talented back.
if the boys were smart, they’d start felix, and have marion come down as that pent up ball of energy, that explodes upon impact, then goes back on the sideline to recharge. sort of like a supernova.
you are right.....they are similar....
both very physical, and both have been slowed by injury.
….just funny how it’s a bad thing in NY and a good thing in Dallas?!!?!?!!?!?!
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
I'd also be curious to know if Dallas Fans are ushering Barber out the door
like some NY fans are doing to Jacobs.
Bear in mind Barber is coming off 2 disappointing years where as Jacobs is coming off 1.
"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708
and there is no rhyme or reason to it
at least we know now that his MCL was barking all year, his only disappointing year. with Marion, i know he’s been nicked up here and there, but his falloff in play shouldn’t be attributed to that. if you can’t play with nicks as a football player, then you shouldn’t play. that’s why i say, sometimes you get a small sample of someone, and get gassed on what “they could be”. but sometimes, the small sample is all you should really have.
Barber might have similar results as BJ on Giants
Far too frequently Cowboys would abandon running game
or switch from power to speed
Cowboys are best when they run with power and play action pass, good thing their owner doesn’t think so.
Barber has had just as many carries as Big Boy
even more so(238 more than Jacobs in any year) and less results….so we can’t use that excuse for them.
But Barbers use varies a lot wider
Sometimes a feature back
Sometimes short yardage
I think that BJ benefits from having more predictable demands placed on him
I’d take BJ over Barber, but I don’t think there is a huge difference between them.
Heard somewhere
That Dallas is the best shotgun draw executors in the league.
Not really a power run play
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
I knew something bad was coming
when i saw your post start with “You know I was reading an article from Matt Mosley”
Matt Cassel
Rode one year of success behind an excellent team to a big trade and makes, what, 9-10 mil a year? And leads one of the worst offenses in the NFL? Yeah, I think he’s a bit more overrated than BJ. And that’s just one little example off the top of my head.
by TNYFBG on Jun 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cassel has an excuse
sort of.
He sucked the beginning of the year, but once they actually got him an average receiver (chris chambers), he was doing well.
It didn’t help the rest of the team sucked.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
So to add
Give him another year and he’ll do average at minimum, I bet
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Dwayne Bowe
is a legit receiver. Regardless, I totally get your point. Their line also sucks donkey balls and that’s not his fault either. My point was more about expectations and salary. No one ever thought BJ was gonna be a 2000 yarder or 2500 all purpose like Tiki and he’s not getting paid like LDT in his prime either, whereas Cassel makes as much as the top QBs in the league. In the end, Ed had the best point which is that for a guy like BJ to be a star, he needs a line/TE/FB opening holes so he can get that second level with a head of steam and then we see people get LaRon’d.
Agree with you on that
The contract they gave Cassel was insane so he’s definitely over rated monetarily.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
I'm mixed on Jacobs
I love the power and macho enthusiasm he brings to the game. His punishing hits on defenders goes a long way in demoralizing opposing defenses when he’s healthy. But in spite of much talk about starting to run smarter, he still prefers the bone jarring hit to slipping the defender sometimes or going low without absorbing so many collisions. I love watching him, but I think he might have a short career if he keeps doing what he’s been doing since he came into the league, even splitting time.
I think the three headed running back with Brown mixed in almost as much as AB and Jacobs might be the best scenario in 2010.
A sub par performing OL and add the injury
Sorry for the quick finger there… BJ needs a at least three steps into the line to create that power, anything less and he goes down very easy – so he strated to run laterally, and that was worse!
Not Jacobs...
Being “overrated” is when your expectations far exceed your production. Well, Jacobs never even made it to the Pro-Bowl, so he dosen’t have any un-earned accolades. What he does have is two 1,000 yard seasons under his belt, a member of one of the greatest RB trio performances in NFL history, and the fact that he set the tone in each of our playoff games during our run at XLII. That considered, he might even be underrated. We all love Jacobs, but he does seem to start tip-toeing if he dosen’t set the tempo and gets smacked in the mouth by a defender early on – see opening day against the Redskins with London Fletcher. As a coach, I’ve seen it in my own athlete’s eyes. The little boy emasculated look like he wants to take his toys and go home. Regardless, if I had to pick an overrated Giant, I’d go with Osi for his struggles against the run. He’s a far cry from Strahan.
speaking of Stray...
who’s seen that commercial with him and Mcnabb(Dr. Pepper)? i love it. brings back good memories.
i wonder if they show that one in Philly?
Looks like Prisco is the one who's overrated..
Since when is his opinion worth more than 3 pieces of dried monkey crap mounted on a piece of plexiglass?
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I agree with Ed
about rating the guy in the first place. Who rates him with the elite backs? He’s not that type of back and the Giants don’t run a ‘one elite back’ offense.
BJ is the Joba Chamberlain of the Giants. He’s a setup man for everything else they want to do on offense for the simple fact that if he’s on the active roster for the game, opponents HAVE to game plan for him.
He comes in, beats up the D for a while, then AB shakes it up the rest of the game. It works when everyone’s healthy.
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
This guy obviously didn't watch Jacobs last year
or he’d be writing a lil differently. When Jacobs first burst on the scene, he was overpowering and intimidating. That’s when he was a success. The past couple years, however, he’s been trying to change his game. He’s shied away from contact more, tried to be more elusive, let’s plays develop before hitting the hole, and even taking to the air (which has proved disastrous). However, he’s had declining success b/c of it. That’s not his game. That worked for Tiki, b/c he was just a slippery bastard. It works for AB, b/c he’s got some sick moves and incredible speed. That does NOT work for a man his size.
I think Jacobs comes back stronger this year. I think he’ll be feeling healthy and strong, and after last year and all the criticism he himself got, we’ll be a force to be reckoned with. I do not, however, feel that bodes well for the longevity of his career. But in reality, he has no career if he doesn’t go all out.
Agreed
Either the coaches convinced him or he convinced himself that he could be an every-down feature back if he started leaping and dodging contact. He is damn fast, but only on a straight line and his acceleration ain’t great either. I say let him be what he is, cuz he was damn good at it.
One more thing I gotta say. I did admire his work on his hands last year. He’s not a GOOD receiver, but serviceable and at least they can show that a couple times a game. That’s probably the biggest thing we’ve lacked, a receiving threat out of the backfield. I hope there’s some way they can use Beckum to help with that, putting him in motion out of a FB set or something.
i always thought
AB was better after Jacobs and later in the game….his quickness and elusiveness after 2 1/2 or 3 quarters of smashing into Jacobs seemed to be icing on a lot of cakes. I think back to Buffalo and that long run in the 4th….it seems that after defenses hit the big boy for a while they are a step slow and a lil sore…that’s when AB comes in and does his thing….IMO we use AB too early
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