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A 44 Addendum ... Kyle Rote

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So, it has been pointed out to me that I have overlooked a great New York Giant in today's 'Giants By The Numbers' post.

A mea culpa. The main source I used did not have Kyle Rote listed among those who had worn 44 for the Giants -- which now makes me question just how good this source is. 

A loved Maurice Carthon and Doug Kotar, but Rote really should be the 44 on our list. 

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Rote was the first overall pick by the Giants in the 1951 draft, and justified that selection by making four Pro Bowls during an 11-year career. He racked up 5,963 total yards for the Giants -- 4,797 receiving, 871 rushing and another 295 returning kickoffs. He scored 48 touchdowns in his career.

From Lew Freedman's wonderful and useful book 'New York Giants: The Complete Illustrated History,' here is a section on Rote.

Rote was a run, pass and catch all-around star for Southern Methodist, but early in his career he suffered a severe knee injury. That setback moved him to wide receiver for the Giants. Because the Giants had so many weapons, Rote was often overshadowed, but had a knack for making clutch plays. He caught his 20-or-so passes a season for years and then in the early 1960s Rote had years when he grabbed 42 and 53. Talk about patience.

Rote discussed how he made himself into a better receiver. "Playing basketball helps," he said. "As a pro you also have more opportunity to study films. You can improve on your ability to catch the ball, but there are some people who can never catch it. It's easier for a back to become an end than vice-versa."

Thanks to those of you who were so quick to point out this oversight today.

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Rote succeeded Doak Walker(an HOFer) at SMU

and was sensational, an old-fashioned triple threat tail back. He had more than one knee injury and never could play as an RB. That he could play as a receiver at a Pro Bowl level was a testament to his athletic skills. He was a foreunner of a Steve Smith type in terms of routes, ability to get open and hands. He was better after the catch than Steve. Next to Shofner, he was YA’s favorite target.

 About twenty years ago, his son, Kyle Rote, Jr., a pro soccer player, won a contest involving pro players from all sports that identified him as the best athlete.

WOD, Rote Sr. has to be the guy for # 44 given Carthon and Kotar as competition.

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

It was unfortunate that knee injuries early in his Giant career kept him from being the running back they had hoped for; imagine him being in four Pro Bowls with only a fraction of his original talent.
I recall him being primarily a Conerly target, since he retired in 1961, but he did catch several YA passes that year.
He was so respected by his teammates that several, including Frank Gifford, named their sons Kyle.
Looking ahead – Emlen Tunnell wore #45.

Mickey C

by Mickey C on Jun 10, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knee Injuries

and knee surgery in those days wasn’t what it is today. Lot harder to come back from a severe knee injury

by NYERinSF on Jun 10, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'd open the knee right up.

Getting one of those could get you a 4-F rating (in terms of the military draft) Quite a few guys struggled to keep playing after the surgery (Tucker Frerickson for one), which usually led to further surgeries. Outside of Rote and Homer Jones, I can’t think of any Giant who had a great career after.

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Actually Kyle Rote ( whose cousin was the QB Tobin Rote- pretty fair himself), played in the same backfield with Doak Walker at SMU for two straight years, not after him, and damn near won the Heisman after the ’50 season.

He became the bonus pick, as the Giants had won the coin toss that year and chose him. All the NFL teams wanted Kyle Rote.

Probably the brightest player on the offense- always knew where to go and how to beat the opponent.

And absolutely correct, no one ran better or smarter routes that Kyle Rote.

in 1961, Tittle had problems learning the Giants playbook, so he would turn to Rote in the huddle and tell him what he wanted to run and Rote would translate for the team.

Was also the offensive co-ordinator in ’62 and ’63.

Great player- typical of the ‘50s Giants’ teams- smart , productive and team oriented. My personal favorite offensive Giant of those years. Can’t say enough good about him.

And to Mickey C- yes to Emlen Tunnel- no doubt, no question about #45.

by grange77 on Jun 10, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle wasn't in the same backfield as Doak. He

was the back up at TB for Doak. A complete unknown (at least to non Texans), he played in place of Doak when Doak was hurt and turned in a sensational performance, even though SMU lost. I think it was a bowl game. Both won Heisman trophies. Doak had a better career I believe with the champion Lions. Unlike many TBs, he didn’t become a T QB. No way anyone was going to beat out another Texan for the job—Bobby Lane.
When they traded Layne to Pitssburgh Layne said the Lions wouldn’t win a championship again in fifty years. The fifty years was up in ’08, i think, thus, “the curse of Bobby Layne.”
As for Emlen, there can be no other choice because his # was retired

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wrong on two counts.

1.Kyle never won the Heisman
2.The game where he subbed for Doak was in the regular season vs, Notre Dame.

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr Clutch

With all the other offensive stars to choose from, Kyle was always (seemingly) the one to go to for those “needed” yards.
No flash but could do it all.

by pjhimself on Jun 10, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I wish I got to see him play

He s revered by my dad, who got me into the Giants at an early age.
 On a lighter note, is that the same helmet as Cervelli on the Yankees? Helmet technology has come a long way.
 And no face mask? Wow.
  My dad played high school ball as a D lineman in the early 40’s. He was one of the first guys to use a face mask on his team. He’d smack the opposing lineman right in the nose with a forearm on the first play, just to let them know it was going to be a long day and that maybe they ought to think about getting a face mask. He claimed he knocked out three guys in his senior year. LOL

by ronjohnson on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

No face mask.

Not even a bar, yet alone a mask. That was why when you saw a guy with a broken nose back then. the first thought was, “must be a football player.”

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't argue with the selection of Rote as the winning #44....

though perhaps voting more with heart than head, I’d have rater Kotar over Carthon for second, and one has to keep AB in mind, who I’d currently have as fourth, but who should rise with health over the next few years. Kotar, Carthon and Bradshaw are/were all good players, but Rote was clearly a level above them (given his day and time). Kotar wasn’t a great back, but he had great heart and in some of his years he WAS the offense. He worked hard, played hard, took a beating regularly, and probably would have been more successful if he wasn’t about the only offensive weapon the Giants had at that time. He was a good receiver and a skilled runner of the draw play, which at that time was the Giants best third and long play. Carthon was selfless and a solid contributor who gave up alot of his chance for personal glory to better the team. Bradshaw not only is talented, but you have to admire a guy who plays and is productive with two bad feet and a bad ankle. All of these four are so much more worthy of note than anyone who wore a couple of the previous numbers profiled. And all have made a place for themselves in Giants history.

by Cranky50 on Jun 10, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Kotar

The support for Kotar is very interesting.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 10, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotar was the quintessential underdog

Too small, too slow

Played his heart out, and we all loved him for it, but the only reason he played was that the Giants didn’t have a “real” running back.

One of the few things Howard Cossell ever said that I agreed with. (paraphrasing because it was a long time ago)

 - You can cheer for Kotar all you want, but it is hard to win football games when your top running back is too small and too slow, and the other teams have guys like Tony Dorsett.

by NYERinSF on Jun 10, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might not have been Dorsett

again – memory from a long time ago – but I remember the comparison being against whoever the Dallas running back at the time was

by NYERinSF on Jun 10, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dorsett sounds right.

He arrived in the NFL a little later than K, but they were certainly contemporaries. Before Dorsett, I think Newhouse and Dennison carried most of the RB duties for the ’boys.

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duane Thomas...

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
Funny things
Are everywhere

- Dr. Seuss (if he were a Mets fan)

by StorkFan on Jun 10, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

DT had already left

the ‘boys before Doug arrived at the Giants. That doesn’t rule out the possibility that Cosell cited Thomas per NYer’s story. My guess is that Thomas, when he was there, got more plays than Newhouse or Dennison (or Renfro for that matter.)

by blue gonz on Jun 10, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably Dorsett

He was contrasting Kotar to a true All-Star, which Dorsett was

In any event, the point is the same -

by NYERinSF on Jun 11, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once Ahmad Bradshaw goes all "Tiki Barber w/o the ego"

on the league over the next few years, I think we’re gonna have to re-visit this, but for now I’d definitely agree with Rote over Carthon. Good number overall though, much better than some of the other ones out there.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jun 10, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Rote and Carthon should share the honors

Carthon is overlooked because they did not send blocking fullbacks to the Pro Bowl in his time. If they did, he would have at least matched Rote’s 4. The Giants were a run first-run second-run third team in Carthon’s years. No surprises, yet they still managed to run the ball.

by ct17 on Jun 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

All due respect to Kyle Rote....

but that picture is pretty hysterical.

he looks 5 foot nothing, a 100 and nothing. Sometimes those are the guys that are the scrappiest in the bunch (and from the sounds of it he was), but it’s just un real to look at some of these old school pictures….the size of the players, the uniforms (t-shirts), helmets.

the game has come a long frickin’ way.

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jun 10, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

How about the location?

Looks like the middle of a cow pasture.
Anyway, the population gets taller and heavier each generation. Combine that with no weight training then vs mandatory weight training now and the results are clear.
However, there were some pretty impressive physical specimens in those days. I always think of Billy Cannon in that regard, an RB/TE. Six-one or two. 210-200 lbs. 4.1 forty.

by blue gonz on Jun 11, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow, i never looked at the background of that picture....

seriously, where are they????

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jun 11, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is Oregon

They had at least one training camp there back then, played an exhibition game in Spokane when I was stationed there. Saw a bunch of them in a bar after the game. Sorry to say, they acted like assholes. What a disappointment! Can’t name names because I didn’t recognize any of them, but they were Giants’ players.
Needless to say, they weren’t bad enough to alienate me from my devotion to the team.

by blue gonz on Jun 11, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

another great story blue....

sucks that they were ass holes…maybe the fact that they were out in Spokane had something to do with it? idk….

but good story non the less.

Only time i had a story like that was when i was much younger, my family was living upstate NY in Liberty (of all places). To make a long story short, a small car stopped by the crummy Hotel my Grandfather owned…..4 massive guys got out looking for the Grossingers (to go golfing). At the time I didn’t even recognize them, but sure enough my pops told me it was Bard Oates, Chris Godfrey, Billy Ard, and someone else….(who i happened to forget).

Needless to say I was kinda ticked off I couldn’t get some autographs…..plus when your a little kid who remembers Olinemen??? growing up my favorite player was always McConkey.

"Throw the damn ball to Kevin Boss" - Andiamo708

by andiamo708 on Jun 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pro footballers

really do look huge in the flesh, don’t they? even back in the early fifties they did when they were so much smaller than the guys who play now.
McConkey is very popular among a significant portion of BBVers.

by blue gonz on Jun 11, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

You know, I was always hoping

that guy would show what I thought he was capable of. He had speed and was big enough, but he didn’t seem to be able to run in any direction but straight ahead. He wasn’t about to bowl over guys like Jacobs does.

by blue gonz on Jun 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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