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This whole Lawrence Taylor mess turns my stomach. It leaves me disappointed, disturbed, dismayed -- choose your adjective -- the same emotions many of you are feeling this morning.

Thing is, I can't add a whole lot to the story. I have never met the man, I did not write about the Giants back in the day Taylor was the best linebacker the NFL has ever seen. So, rather than have me pontificate with some meaningless reaction, let's look around and see how the people who know him are reacting.

  • Ernie Palladino Thursday re-visited his 1995 run-in with Taylor, in which Taylor grabbed Palladino around the throat during a heated argument.
  •  Veteran reporter Vinny DiTrani says former teammates are reserving judgment. DiTrani, though, pretty sums up what we are all thinking with this:

    Taylor should not have been in Room 160 of the Holiday Inn with a 16-year-old girl, period. He’s still a legend, someone who can’t make like a Stealth bomber and fly under the radar. How in the world could he spend $300 for a few minutes of a night where he could have slept soundly far into the morning instead of waking up to police questions at 4 a.m.?

    That’s why former coaches and teammates and the Giants’ organization are reserving comment on the incident. They don’t want to sound like they are supporting a man who could have committed such a heinous a crime, even if in their hearts they had been pulling for him to stay on the straight path he had set for the past dozen years.

    Same here. If the allegations are true, Taylor deserves whatever punishment he receives. But even if they are not true, he’s still guilty of poor judgment and decision-making, the same failings that will cost [Ben] Roethlisberger six games with-time off for good behavior from the 2010 season. For Taylor it won’t cost him games, just respect.

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  • Steve Serby, like many, is hoping this is not true. Also like many, he is fearing that it is.

    For the last dozen years, Lawrence Taylor has kicked his drug addiction, one day at a time.

    If he is found guilty of third-degree rape of a 16-year-old runaway yesterday in upstate Suffern, then we will have no choice but to come to the sad realization that he hasn't kicked his sex and trouble addictions.

    He lived on the edge as a Giant, then went full speed over the edge in the tumultuous, crazed, cocaine-fueled years after his retirement. Now, having recently finished "Dancing With the Stars," he finds himself dancing with the devil again, a dance that, if proven guilty, could cost him as much as four years behind bars.

  • For Mike Lupica, the saddest part of this is that it makes it more difficult to remember Taylor for what he achieved on the field.

    However this plays out before Taylor is next in that same courtroom on the 10th of June, Taylor looked pathetic Thursday, in his black shirt and jeans, hands cuffed in front of him.

    Once you thought the only way to stop him from getting to the quarterback was to put cuffs on him. Once you hoped that his life wouldn't bring him to a setting like this: To the Holiday Inn where he was arrested. To the courtroom where he was arraigned.

    But there he was next to his lawyer, the charges against him being read by the judge. Now there was none of the excitement he used to bring to football, when he made outside linebacker one of the glamour positions of the sport, even made the tackle charged with trying to block him eventually become rich and famous for protecting the quarterback's blind side.

    Now there was just the dry, unemotional, matter-of-fact language of the law.

  • Yahoo! Sports Jason Cole says if Taylor he guilty he should not just go to prison, he should be removed from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. This is actually a tremendous read. Here is part of it.

    Taylor isn’t just the greatest linebacker (and perhaps greatest overall defensive player) to walk the face of the Earth, he’s a celebrity. Football gave him that platform. Football gave him a chance for fame, wealth and admiration.

    What Taylor has done with that opportunity is chew it up, spit it out and ground it in the dirt. Most of those problems were crimes against himself, such as drug use. Those kinds of problems deserve a certain amount of compassion.

    Now, however, Taylor has allegedly committed a crime against a child. Maybe he was duped by some pimp. I’m not buying it. I have a 15-year-old child and I’m roughly the same age as Taylor. You can’t tell me he couldn’t have figured out there was something wrong with the picture.

    Furthermore, you can’t tell me that Taylor couldn’t have found a consenting adult if he’d just looked around a little, even in suburban Suffern, where he was staying. Or he easily could have hooked up with a prostitute who was of age. Yeah, that’s illegal, but at least everybody knows the score.

    Instead, Taylor reminds us of the lesson that Roethlisberger just finished teaching: Some athletes don’t think twice about who or what they trample in order to get their satisfaction. They don’t even really care about the game.

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Disagree with Jason Cole

If you remove LT, then by what standard is anyone left in? Where is the line drawn? What felonies, misdemeanors, or just plain bad actions qualify for removal? Would a drunk driving coviction be enough? After all, driving drunk willfully endangers the lives of other people. I’m probably in the minority on this issue, but the movement to erase the past due to actions committed in the present, is just a bit too Orwellian for me.

by Jolly on May 7, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I think sex with kids is a pretty good line.

Look, I’m a Jet fan but I watch the Giants often. LT is one of my all-time favorite players. Wth all of the stuff he did, I never stopped liking him. But this is different. This is basically pedophilia. He can’t continue to be one of the pillars of football if this turns out to be true. Like OJ, he will forever be remembered for the horrible thing he did long after his career was over.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

the funny thing is...

if LT is in Jersey, its not pedophilia…..(at least if she consented…if there was anything to consent to….)

by FreeBradshaw on May 7, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

once you get into the nuances,

there appear to be several graduating degrees of -philia, and in any event pedophilia deals with pre-pubescent children. I think “sex with a kid” sums it up pretty good, though.
You are correct, Bradshaw, if this happened in Jersey and the girl is 16, he may end up with simple patronizing a prostitute charges. But it doesn’t really matter. In the court of public opinion, he’s done.

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by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is

a vast difference between someone who knowingly targets and gets into bed with some underage and someone who gets into bed with someone only to discover after the event they were underage.

There is no suggestion that LT falls into the first category (not yet) so the assumption is he did not know her age – but ignorance is no defence.

by G Fan in England on May 7, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listen I have a daughter. I think most guys with daughters probably feel similar to the way I do on this. For me, personally, a 50 year old man in some cheap motel with a teenaged girl in the wee hours of the morning just sits all kinds of wrong with me and effects how i see the man now. I never really cared about the crack and the coke and the other craziness. But this is just different.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a daughter too

but there just because there is an age gap does not make it wrong it just does not sound right!

Now if the women had been 35 years older than LT we would all be laughing and asking him to be locked up for a different reason.

by G Fan in England on May 7, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

50 to 16 is wrong. Plain wrong. Even if she was 19 its wrong. If some 50 year old guy was trying to sleep with your 19 year old daughter, you can’t tell me that you’d be ok with that.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd whip his a$$.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that ain't the point...

if its legal to go with a 16 y/o girl, this aint’ even in the news. No one gives a crap.

Sure, its not exactly something I’d condone…but its not even close to newsworthy if its legal.

The prostitute stuff…another story. But also not despicable if the girl’s of legal age.

by FreeBradshaw on May 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is!

Come on dude. Crackback’s pretty right on. People would give a crap. It’s patronizing a prostitute, a 16-year-old prostitute, by an old man! It is despicable. When I am old and my wife dies, I am going to get hookers in their mid-20s.

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by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

at least if you think they're in their 20's

then they turn out to be 16!

nah, Cracky’s off base here. This isn’t even news at all if the prosti is not 16.

Its nothing LT hasn’t done before either, isn’t it? Just LT being LT?

by FreeBradshaw on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ofcourse its news. Its news because its LT. Just like it was big news when he wrecked his car. It would be huge news if he got busted for having sex with a hooker. Now he’s a pariah bc he had some sort of sexual relations with a 16 year old. How old she says she was really doesn’t matter. If she was 13 and she said she was 22, it wouldn’t make it any more or less forgivable. He’s still 50 and she’s still a teenager no matter how you shake it.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So whats the point then...

that a 50 yr old man can have sex with 16-17-18 yr old girls? Then PAY them for it? LT has got to know that people arn’t going to cut him any slack anymore. Drugs are one thing, those can even help a guy—but a kid? He’s gotta call Elliot S and get the more High-end girls over to the Holiday Inn. Thats what the bigger money pays for. Discretetion. What was he thinking after he saw a young girl (with a black-eye?) come into his room at God knows what time in the morning? And people DO give a crap cuz he wasn’t just some run-of-the-mill ball player with some-easily-forgettable career in some-outta-the way-loserville. He was the guy who changed the game, and played in the Media Capitol of the Country. Was it newsworhty when all those other guys got bj’s from whores…maybe/maybe not…and the list is long. The grilled Rodman when he wore a dress. LT was a hero to 1000’s and now he’s a felon to millions.

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

the guidance she would have been given meant she will not.

I knew someone who married someone 30 years their elder and then had three children by him.

It did not look right – but was it wrong?

by G Fan in England on May 7, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crackback

I agree. I have 3 teenage daughters. I’m a single dad living in FL. Their friends are often prancing around the pool in bikinis. It’s one thing to look. It’s another to act on it. I remove myself from any situation that could be construed as inappropriate.

A few years ago I knocked on my daughters bedroom door. They told me to come in. My daughters friend was in her bra. My guess is she considered it the same as a bikini top. I turned around and walked out. It wasn’t appropriate for me to remain.

by FrankB03 on May 7, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 G fan.............you cannot compare LT to an actual pedophile

incredibily huge diff between what LT is accused of and some fat loser cruising the internet looking for 12 yr olds. Im not defending what he did but dont call him a pedophile.

by giantsNYrangers on May 7, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

how do you know he didnt want to sleep with a 16 year old?

You dont. So you cant defend him and say he isnt a pedophile either you cant really make an argument either way.

by tomahawk44 on May 7, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

How can you make it seem like its ok for a 50 year old man to insert his penis into a 16 year old girl? She was 16 man!!!!!!!!! 16!!!!!!!!!!

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you made a good point tomahawk.......

we dont know what his intentions were……maybe he was paying so much cuz she was so young……..we dont know.

by giantsNYrangers on May 7, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Crackback, where did you get this name?

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not saying it was ok...........im going on the assumption that he didnt know her

actual age………………and yeah im giving him the benefit of the doubt. Innocent till proven otherwise my man. And I never said it was ok……..ok? All i was saying is that theres IS a diff between what LT is accused of and an actual pedophile driving around with stuffed animals and candy in his car…………..

by giantsNYrangers on May 7, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

no if your guilty your guilty

Its guilty unless you can finds a way to keep them from proving it was you

by tomahawk44 on May 7, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry but I just can’t fathom that at some point he didnt realize that this girl was pretty young. For all we know he might have requested that she be young. Its just disgusting… revolting. I can’t look at him the same anymore. I can’t look at him anymore. Yes I’m a Jet fan. But i’m that guy who refused to call Tomlinson LT, out of respect. This one just can’t be overlooked. I can’t let this one slide.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe when i was 21ish and thought a girl looked a little older. But as soon as a brief conversation revealed that she was young all flirtations stopped. Even if she did look a little older, she’s still way too young for him to be laying up with.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

we all have

but you know what? Most of us err on the side of caution. If you have the slightest doubt you need to use better judgment.

Besides, even if she looked 21 ignorance is no excuse.

by FrankB03 on May 7, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats easy to say but...

I’d like to see you in that situation.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break

You guys are acting like LT showed up on to catch a preditor or somthing. Hello the girl was dressed like a hooker, the girls own sister says she told LT she was 19; would you guys feel better about it if he carded her? To top that off LT was not the girls only custmer.

LT used bad judgement and paid for sex thats it… It’s not like he ordered up a 16 year old… and for those of you thorwing stones it can be very hard to tell the diffrence between a 16 year old girl and a 19 to 21 year old girl especially when she has make up on her face and is dressed like a skeezer!!! I highly doubt you would be able to tell in those circumstance.

Not that I condone prostitution but it’s really pretty common let’s stop acting like LT is the first guy to order up a hooker at the Holiday Inn.

by Late for Dinner on May 7, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which in my state would be perfectly legal...

if that’s what both the 16-year-old and 50-year-old wanted to have happen, as long as there was no exchange of money involved. Oddly, it’s the exchange of money that would make it a "legal matter:

by Cranky50 on May 7, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's because no taxes were collected on the transaction.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What state do you live?

Many states have changed the laws for early 20s with underage girlfriends. I’d be shocked if any state allows a 50 year old to have sex with a 16 year old. I can be wrong but still shocked. I’d double check the law before I go out bangin a 16 year old in your state.

by FrankB03 on May 7, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's legal in 31 states

I’ve posted this like 10 times, but 16 is the age of consent in the majority of the United States, and in those 31 states, it makes no difference how old the other party is. As long as the 16 year old consents, it’s legal.

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by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

16 is the age of consent in Vermont....

and has been for 30 or 40 years at least. I’m sure however if the one of the legislators from the soon to be bankrupt state read this, they’d be happy to drop it 14 if one purchased a PSL (Personal Screwing License) for a few hundred bucks to the state (of course I’m sure they’d exempt legislators and lobbyists from the need for such license). Seriously, I don’t see the age of consent going up here, as most of the legislators would be “older” and judging by the incidents with legislative pages in the past, I doubt banning relations between those 16 and 50 is high on the agenda within the capital

by Cranky50 on May 7, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you all act like he knew she was 16

He hired a prostitute and had sex with her. If he thought she was 30 and if she was then what. I know legally it not a defense in court to not know but to act like the guy is a scumbag for sleeping with a 16 when he might have not known is dumb. How do we know she didn’t imply she was older? How do you know that if he had known she was 16 that he wouldn’t have kicked her out? I don’t know the opposite is true either but what I won’t do is pass judgement like I am beyond reproach. It is easy to look a person’s mistake in hindsight, with more info than they might not have had and say what the right decision should have been. Hindsight is 20/20. As much respect as he has lost, many of you have lost my respect too for kicking a man who is down without knowing crap about what “really” happened. it shows low character to judge others without having all the information. Perhaps you should share some of your bad calls too so we can gather around and condemn you. Opps… My bad, some of you have NEVER used bad judgement before. Go ahead and throw stone then. You have never done anything that was even borderline illegal.

by blueforever on May 7, 2010 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

terminology

The words “pedophile” and “pedophilia” are frequently misused to refer to situations in which an older person has sexual relations with a person who is below the legal age of consent, but is pubescent or post-pubescent . The terms “hebephilia” or “ephebophilia” may be more accurate in these cases, but even then may be erroneously used to refer to the actus reus itself, rather than the correct meaning, which is a preference for that age group on the part of the older individual. Even more problematic are situations where the terms are misused to refer to relationships where the younger person is an adult of legal age, but is either perceived socially as being too young in comparison to their older partner, or the older partner occupies a position of authority over them

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by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyway,

I agree that it is somehow worse to kidnap and rape an 8-year-old than it is to patronize a 16-year-old prostitute. But seriously? We’re talking about comparing one of the worst things in the world to just about the wrost thing in the world.

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by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah, but it IS a difference...

    One is a high “ick factor” item (assuming 16 is of legal consent, as it is in my state), while the 8-year-old example you gave is one of those "I’ll be happy to throw the keys of your cell in the ocean myself, and let you go dive in after them in, as Sunlion once said “shark infested waters with a couple of cuda steaks tied around your neck.” One is a low grade “business transaction” between willing buyer and seller, while the other is violent explotation and a crime in every sense.

by Cranky50 on May 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey simms get off your high horse...........

going to a hooker is not one of the worse things in the world. i can catalogue 20 things worse. Im sure you caught head from a hooker at some point in ur life……………..

by giantsNYrangers on May 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Actus Reus mean intent?

as opposed to Mens Reus?

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

Actus Reus is the act (literally "guilty act). Mens Rea means “guilty mind”

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by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That reminds me

must brush up on my Latin otherwise I would have no idea what you were talking about!

by G Fan in England on May 7, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't call LT a pedophile......

those guys have a history of these things. LT is (maybe) guilty of extremely poor judgement, and certainly, of a couple of other serious things. For christs sake what was he thinking when the girl with the black-eye walked thru his door? And he paid her? Okay. But a pedophile, no way. Thats kids. You can’t even make the stretch between kids and a young girl who can possibly “claim” she was over 18. Kids are for sickos and perverts. LT has never even hinted that this was, or is, or even by association-his thing. He is guilty of being stupid. Probably drunk, and probably outta his mind. But not kids. Thats sick.

Superstarzchef.....RABID GIANTS Fan on an Island

by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crackback

Your opening sentence makes my point…..most everyone will have a different line for deciding if someone should be taken out of the HOF. I think OJ, for instance, is still in the hall. Do not misconstrue my argument for defense of LT or any other that commits indefensible actions. Many of the players in the HOF have committed indefensible, shameful acts, from terrible physical abuse of wives and girlfriends to rape and attempted rape. Convicted? Maybe, maybe not. The thing is, once you begin an arbritrary line for justifying any action, that line, due to its very arbritrariness, will be moved again and again. My thought is that it is best not to draw such a line.

by Jolly on May 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy it took awhile to connect..I too am in a Hotel room, no beat-up runaways to report..

My reaction I felt I had to just share..I agree that he deserves due process..and I wouldn’t support him being removed from the hall..but if this is true I would never want to see his number hanging among other deserving Giant heroes..Players we are proud to point our kids to..LT disappointed me long before the onset of his off-field antics that began plaguing him. He never disappointed me on the field as a fan, but he is the single-most biggest asshole the Giants ever had…there is no sugar-coating it..Now here is when I reached that conclusion..I never wore a press badge or had any special access to players, I had a seven year-old Son with me as did others and he ignored all of them like they were pieces of shit not to be bothered with..All the other players made themselves available to be with the fans and their children between practices..Not him..but we all cut him some slack because he afterall, was the best..Fact is he isn’t the best..not even close as a human he is the piece of crap…You young guys need to know that..Maybe he’ll come out with an OJ moment in Court..“If the Rubber don’t fit..You must Acquit”….

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on May 7, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

..oh and by the way, I also ate at his resturant "L.T.s"..That sucked too

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on May 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

In spite of my comments earlier on this thread...

I do think that while LT redefined his position and was a star on the field, he’s long been a disappointment since his retirement, and this is just the latest in a long string of questionable situations and judgements for him. I have no opinion as to his guilt or lack thereof, and will be content to let the prosecutor and defense deal with it.

by Cranky50 on May 7, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I needed to hear was "Jason Cole" to disagree.

That guy’s such a fuckin’ tool. If he said the sky were blue I’d say it was red.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on May 7, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you remove him

there are a few others that need to be extradited as well… can you say OJ.

But to remove him would also leave a huge whole in the history of the game. Future generations of fans would be left with a missing link type of puzzle. Why did the game change so drastically in the 90’s? Was it devine intervention? Did a comet strike Canton? What was it that made the fat space eaters obsolete?

LT the person may be a complete mess… but LT the player was the best. Last I checked Players were inducted into the Hall of Fame for there Play

by Flynner on May 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LT

I agree with you, as an example do you strip a veteran of his honorable discharge and medals for the same crime? Do you take Ty Cobb out of the baseball HOF because he was a racist. If some people had the chance only saints would adorn the hallowed hallsof the HOFs.

by 7mike on May 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Cole

Please is this guy the second coming of Christ. Everybody makes mistakes. LT has made his fairshare. The only thing that disturbs me about this is why not just get a highend babe. LT has got pleanty of scratch should have called a high end escort service no fuss no muss.Maybe he did and this is what he got.IMO the only thing LT is guilty of is being cheap.In my eyes LT is the greatest defensive player the NFL has ever seen and im proud that he was a NY Giant. Good luck beating the rap LT.

by costanza! on May 7, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Cheap?............Lt paid $300 for this dirty runaway..........

A bluechip escort gets that much for an hr……………uhhhh……errrr……not that I would know or anything……………………you know what?……………never mind.

by giantsNYrangers on May 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a pedestal

I started supporting the Giants in 1982 and the reason for that was LT.

We turn our favourite players into gods but in reality they are only human.

We all are saying he is married, she was a pro and finally she was only 15.

Well LT is a human and we all know married man who have had affairs, go to strip clubs and have sex with a pro. We also know that older men like to date younger women (although not underage).

We all are aware that LT was a troubled man who lived on the edge both on and off the field. We are therefore both shocked because she was 16 but not surprised that he was with a Pro.

He is and always will be on a pedestal for his playing career, but I am not aware that he was ever held out to be the role model to follow – in fact the opposite!

So whatever happens to him over this incident and anything in the future will not take away my memory of LT the player.

by G Fan in England on May 7, 2010 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

with you G fan, I admired him as a player, but that’s where it has to stop…I would say I am
dismayed by these events, by the same token, can’t say I am shocked. He has two charges to deal with: 1) soliciting prostitution and 2) rape…..One year, plus four years, if this plays out, and he is found guilty.

by Great Gatsby on May 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

with you too G Fan.

Superstarzchef.....RABID GIANTS Fan on an Island

by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

+3

I agree with you too g fan. I love LT on the field but as far as off the field.. I don’t give a rats ass anymore than if it was you who commmited the crime. I don’t love or idolize players. Love the play, like the player but they are just like you or I as soon as the leave the playing field. The expections our society places on athletes is just ridiculous. We think they can’t make mistakes like the rest of us.

by blueforever on May 7, 2010 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If OJ stays in

LT stays in. I’m sorry, but sex with a 16 year old isn’t even in the same stratosphere – it’s not even in the same universe – as brutally murdering two people. I know, I know – “not guilty” – of course, there’s this

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by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Right, right

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a football God

but that’s it. I never knew the man, only through the media and how he is portrayed there. Even if I did meet the man. 1 time is not like being his friend. He’s no hero, by any means – a human being; Yes. He is an amazing athlete and an incredible football legend. That’s all he is to me. The rest of this stuff on him, well, it’s just plain unfortunate for him. For me, I’ll go on hoping things work out for him – if it doesn’t go well, then he’ll get what he deserves (hopefully no more or no less…but that’s in an ideal world). So, suffice to say, he’ll prob. get more so, just b/c of his stature.

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on May 7, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The HOF awards

football skills,
not character.
That said, LT proves once again he’s not the brightest bulb in the box.

by blue gonz on May 7, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow - I'm surprised how many defenders.

I came of age as a Giants fan during the LT/Parcells/Simms era. Was there as a huge fan for both SB’s. And like many of you (I would guess), LT was my absolute favorite player – both at the time and looking back and reminiscing.

Clearly the most exciting athlete I’ve ever seen play live, on Tv, anywhere. Ferocious. And I was willing to look the other way or even romanticize as badass that some of his ferocity came from drug use – after all it was coke and maybe amphetemine/uppers – not steroids (do we know?). And I’ve been disappointed in his troubles of the past, but I’ve always found them just below the threshold of going beyond what I’d somewhat defend by justifying, “It’s a shame. He’s troubled. He has addiction issues (disease).”

But this crosses the line. I withhold final judgment in case some kind of explanation comes out that this was a set-up, or that LT had all assurances that this girl was of age, willing and enthusiastic. Even then, this is sordid. (I haven’t seen a picture of what this girl looks like but if she looks like a young 16 this is truly sordid). But this looks like something even worse. The girl had a fresh black eye. LT was so concerned about stating that he didn’t hit her. As if it’s totally ok that the pimp beat her into this and not LT. This appears to have been an UNWILLING, UNDERAGE 16 yo girl forced into this. How can anyone defend this as even anything close to OK?

Sadly I can’t wear the 56 again.

by BigBlueDeadHead on May 7, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

who's defending him?

i think we all agree that if the facts come out and it clearly points to his guilt, then he has to do the time. but that said, it won’t tarnish the memories from my youth of watching 56 rush off the corner. it will tarnish my memories of the man, now, standing in front of me. so the only thing i think we’re defending is his right to stay in the HOF. because he’s earned that.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just cause you asked,

 
costanza! wrote: “IMO the only thing LT is guilty of is being cheap … Good luck beating the rap LT.”

cjmulrain wrote: “LT stays in. I’m sorry, but sex with a 16 year old isn’t even in the same stratosphere – it’s not even in the same universe – as brutally murdering two people.”

These two constitute some degree of defense IMO. Not to single these guys out but just cause you asked. Look, not to demonize constanza! — I agree if LT beats the raps and is somehow proven innocent, this will have become an unfortunate set-up or something — after all LT is denying that he had sex with the girl. But what I’m saying is the circumstantial evidence suggests that this girl was not exactly a willing pro. 16 yo and recently beat down. Not cool at all. Guilty of way more than just “being cheap.”

As far cjmulrain, I don’t disagree that this situation is on a lower rung than double-murder, but it’s still pretty bad. Just saying that’s it’s not as bad as what OJ did is being pretty dismissive IMO. Saying it’s not even in the same stratosphere or universe almost suggests that you think it’s not even wrong.

Sigh ….. I perhaps shouldn’t pre-judge even in light of the circumstantial evidence. Hopefully this is all just some big misunderstanding. However, if not, then you know what I think sure let him stay in the Hall. But his bust should be updated to memorialize what he did after his career. He shouldn’t be celebrated or given any exhibits, etc., etc., — just a bust that includes a recap of what he went on to do with his life after football. And if convicted of this, I think the Giants should unretire his number. Don’t put it up in the new Stadium as a celebration. Put Bill Parcells’ and Bioll Belicheck’s names up there instead.

by BigBlueDeadHead on May 7, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna go so far as to say I'm defending him

I have to wait until I hear all the facts. But, here’s some thing to consider, for everyone demonizing him: In 31 states (including such backwards places as New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania Maryland, D.C., & all of New England), the age of consent is 16. That means that if LT was in the majority of places in the United States, including every state that borders New York, he would only be guilty of soliciting a prostitute, NOT statutory rape. What a difference of perception that would be, huh?

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is a very interesting and valid point.

I think I’m most hung up on the initial evidence that this girl was apparently beaten and controlled by a pimp. This is more an indictment of the pimp and he’s the one who should go away for a long time. But LT can be considered a willing accomplice. But perhaps not proven in a court of law. Anyway I’m prematurely going too far into where this might go. I’m going to just watch this play out and stop assuming.

by BigBlueDeadHead on May 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

Give him his Due Process. The facts are not all in on this story. There’s more to this then has been released so far. Plus, I agree, that this “pimp” still has a role to play in all this, and “her” full story (ie; the facts-medical wise) haven’t come out yet either. Let’s not hang LT before it’s time.

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, it's lower in some states

theres one where it’s 14 i think. i can’t remember, is it alabama?

imagine if we were still in biblical times. they would read here age and say, “she’s damn near a cougar she’s so old!”

or something along those lines….

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

16 is the minimum for females in every state.

CJ, I see your point, but just because something might be illegal in different ways doesn’t change the gut reaction. He used a downtrodden sex slave, for pete’s sake.

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by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry Lee Lewis

never got that memo many moons ago, he passed off a 16 yr.old as a
13 yr. old and married her. That story came to me as I am reading everybody talk about age. I was always amazed at what the hell his mindset was yesteryear.

by Great Gatsby on May 7, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

was a 13 yr old as a 16 year old, you get my point.

by Great Gatsby on May 7, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

She was his cousin, GG

and it stalled his career for decades. Still..what JLL did wasn’t at all unusual in the culture in which he found himself (i.e., rednecks back in the day.) I’m not sure her age was falsified officially (i.e., on the marriage certificate..)

by blue gonz on May 7, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Innocent until PROVEN guilty .

Its funny how every one has written LT off. These allegations against LT are filled with questions and inconsistencies of fact that can’t be explained away with simple logic. The fact that Marvell Scott is dealing with a situation that is strikingly similar to LT’s is also reason enough to take LT’s situation with a grain of salt. Whether you like the man or not is not evidence that he committed this “crime.”

This entire occurrence has killed LT’s character. He will lose thousands (perhaps millions) of dollars as a result; even if he is found innocent. His character has been assassinated as well as his livelihood b/c a bunch of ill-informed have taken a shoty story and ran with it. Our judicial system takes a serious hit when this happens. It is not our place to judge LT in this matter. only the all powerful can do that and believe me, through our judicial system, he will.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

this

well, i guess this is one way to grab the headlines from the Jets, sadly.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It does seem like the Giants seem to out due the Jets in every regard.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

have you heard LT on howard stern

Hey says he goes to strip clubs pretty much every day, unfortunately if true it doesnt surprise me. I have a feeling this is going to be in the news for a long time and it should be too long before this story gets scrutinized by everybody to the point where its beating a dead horse. I hope some other REAL giants new happens soon so I dont have to read about this for the next couple months.

scared money dont make money

by TheWenz on May 7, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

there going to drag everything hes said and done out now

like for instance, he was the spokesman for a football game(can’t recall the name) where they promoted things like buying hookers for the other players, so they would be less effective for the game, etc. never played it, altho i love the premise, but at some point you know that’s gonna come back and bite him.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

no wilddre you got it wrong............

Thats what they tried to do to LT back in the day by sending hookers to his hotel room on the eve of a game to throw LTvoff his game.

by giantsNYrangers on May 7, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6129484.html?tag=stitialclk%3Bnews

i was right on the game, but wrong on the hookers. It still however, promotes some things that i’m sure someone will bring up to disparage LT:

Without the constraints of the NFL hanging over it, the game is squarely focused on everything that the country’s most popular professional organized sport doesn’t want you to see: bone-crushing hits, in-your-face celebrations, and drug use.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colin Cowherd

is reading posts from this on the raido right now.

by ryanwk628 on May 7, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

“Im gonna read some posts from Big Blue View dot com, a Giants message board”

actually he read ones where people defended him from the story before this.

by ryanwk628 on May 7, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!!

Are you serious that Cowherd read stuff from here?

by Ed Valentine on May 7, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finally

Ed, don’t let the limelight make you forget about the little people. What would FBrad do without you?!

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

FBrad

Needs to start his own site anyway.

by Ed Valentine on May 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

FBradview.com

coming soon to a web browser near you….

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, really?

No,,,,omg…no….I can just see it now….

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just gotten so bad that

they talk about FreeBradshaw now on other GIANTS web sites now….I thought I was safe over there…

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he did

but he didnt cast the web site in the best light. He is known for being anti-blog and read only comments defending Taylor. Our community (message board as he called it) came off as a pro-rape group of fanatics.

by ryanwk628 on May 7, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it in the other thread

and I’ll say it again: Cowherd is an ass. I find it funny that a sensationalist like him looks down at blogs.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colin Cow Turd

is an idiot. i would’ve used other adjectives to describe him but I dont want Ed to have to issue me a warning.

by Giants56 on May 7, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta add the Colin Cow Turd

is simply hates blogs because he can’t hang up on us when we speak our minds. Talk about being anal.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

now i def. wanna hear sound

yeah, he’s the bill o’reilly of the sports world. sensationalism at it’s best.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or worse, the Rush Limburger

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just great

I know Cowherd is not pro blog … unless it’s The Big Lead. I’m sure his producers could have balanced it, but they didn’t want to.
I really don’t care. Anybody who comes here for the first time is going to see it’s a pretty balanced debate.

by Ed Valentine on May 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, I'm a Pro-Rape.....

Fanatic now? Or a Pro-Rape GIANTS Fanatic? Which one was it again? I didn’t have the station on at the time….

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

JUST HEARD

LT’s lawyer will be in studio with Mike Francesa at 1:05 PM. THAT will be an interesting listen.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

just gave the interview a listen...

basically he said what we’ve all heard already, although a few questions/answers arose during the interview:

-He made a statement referring to the fact that there may or may not have been another person there, or in the room, and that there may or may not be a witness.
-From the evidence he’s seen and what LT has told him, the girl was there, at the hotel, and was at some point in the room with LT.
-LT says there was absolutely no sex. he was hazy about “sexual contact” however. i smell a Clinton defense there
-He stated that LT vehemently denied knowing the pimp or the girl before the night in question, and never had any dealing with the pimp directly, and that phone records will show this.

from what i took out of the interview, it still seems like LT is in some trouble here. if the girl was in his room, that’s trouble right there. something went on. so we’ll see what fate holds for number fifty six….
doesnt know the pimp

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll wait for the whole story...

But it appears that even countless golf rounds can’t tame the crazed dog…

by SJBBfan on May 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Say it ain't so, LT!

Since his retirement, LT has been a terribly troubled soul. From his business dealings with alleged mafia affiliated businessmen to his battles with drug addiction. LT has been unable to control his ferocious appetites. These may be the most troubling allegations, yet. My hope is that LT gets the help he needs to avoid these situations in the future.

by ejcal70 on May 7, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the pimp

was really an ex-Cowboy or Redskin, getting payback at LT for all the times he sent hookers to their rooms the night before a game…

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe the person who his wife said set him up was Joe Theismann and the Catholic mafia.

by ryanwk628 on May 7, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey maybe it was Joe Montana

as payback for the crushing hit he took from LT and Carl Banks that put him out of the game with a concussion in 1988.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was Jim Burt..and it was '86

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on May 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, it was Joe Montana

I remember because I couldn’t stand the guy. So when they crushed hime, the heavens opened; the angel trumpets sounded and the chior sand helyluya. the picture of his face being shoved into the ground still vivid. I may have the year wrong but it was defintely Joe Montana.

Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen "Dude"..

Joe Montana got knocked out by Jim Burt..Joe played for the 49-ers..Jim played for us I was there I saw it..It was 1986.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on May 7, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now but....

be advised that I am going to look into this now because my memory tells me different.

Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobbiblue has it right

In fact, Burt went on to play for the Niners. I was watching a preseason, training camp interview that Montana was holding on the practice field when Burt first joined the team. From off camera Burt comes running in and gives a good natured little shove to Montana on camera. His hit on Montana as a Giant was controversial at the time and this little love tap was an attempt to help let bygones be bygones, now that they were playing for the same team.

It was a cool, lighthearted moment and Montana and the press got a good laugh out of it.

Leonard Marshall also laid a devastating hit on Montana in the NFC Championship game in 90 out in San Fran. Knocked Joe Cool out of the game, actually.

Bloozer

by blooz on May 8, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobbi, it

looks like LoN doesn’t remember Jim Burt.
Anyway, the worst punishment dealt Montana was given by Marshall in ’90. Someone (Wild or WillF) posted that hit a few days ago,
Brutal.

by blue gonz on May 7, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was not Leonard..watch the game..it was Jim Burt..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on May 7, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right Bobbi, Burt, '86;

Marshall, ’90.
That Giants D got their licks in on Montana.

by blue gonz on May 8, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone posted Marshall's hit the other day

My computer illiteracy prevents me from doing so, but for those interested, google, “Leonard Marshall knocking Joe Montana out!”

by blue gonz on May 8, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

DUDES, IT WAS THE LEONARD MARSHALL HIT!!

It was the Leonard Marshall hit! LT was in striking distance but missed, however, I knew that he was somehow involved with the hit that I saw. Giants D was no joke back then man. I know Joe did not like facing us in those days. THE MARSHALL HIT FOR SURE. BTW, I saw the Jim Burt hit too, Whew, painful.

Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on May 8, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

How come I don't remember that Ernie P story....

I’m old enough but no light bulb is going off….

not for nothing, but i can’t blame LT on that one…..who did this guy think he was? “F U” to LT because he didn’t want to talk to the media??…chasing him down and heckling him? getting in his face and point your finger at him???

not for nothing but he’s lucky LT didn’t break his face w/ one punch…b/c that’s what he deserved

I like Ernie P and all but man that’s an epic FAIL and the fact that he wants to use that story to throw dirt on the man seems sophomoric…he’s already been accused of rape for goodness sake…..

I find it funny that he said he was gonna punch LT….he would have only made things worse….

the fact that LT apologized to him and gave him a jacket seemed pretty stand up….oh well, clearly seems that Ernie P got it out for LT….

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on May 7, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

He's had it out for him ever since it happened

just read what he’s written about LT back in the day. Kinda obvious, even after the dust settled.

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this is true, should "56" come down off the wall of Giants Stadium?

I am so sad. I HATE having to think about LT’s off-the field life. If this was anyone else, it would be a three-line write up in the “Police Beat” of the local newspaper, if that. Now, I have to mentally defend the Giant I know and love with mental gymnastics like “raping a hooker.” There are levels of sleeze to this that just defy words.

Should we take “56” off the wall at Giants Stadium, but who else could wear that number?

by StubsNY on May 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

NO!

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still young enough to be his granddaughter. Still disgusting.

by Crackback on May 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And HE gets paid for it.

Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he has Viagra

and he “sleeps” with them too. But he saw there ID as well, tho.

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

crack, i don't know how old you are

and i know i’m not 51 yet, but when i get there, if i’m not married, best believe the younger i can get them, the better. maybe my thought process will change at some point. but the point that some ppl make that you should date within a certain age range when you hit a certain age is IMO wrong, and not for me.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crackback you are real hard on LT

and you are not even a Giants fan. How do we know that you animosity towards LT doesn’t stem from the nightmares he use to give the Jets back in the 80s & 90s?

Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said he was an LT fan

then again, the girl said she was 19…

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on May 7, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehehe, Crack is ok with me

i liken him to the FreeBradshaw of GGN. he goes in hard but makes good points.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

was just about to post a link for this

here’s the TMZ story itself: http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports/

it’s things like this that make statutory rape such a hazy area. if someone claims an age, then they should be held accountable for lying, IMO. you may say, well he should ask to see some ID. what hooker is going to provide you with ID?! hehehe, she’s gonna run out the room and call you a pig. obviously that harkens back to the fact that LT shouldn’t have been there to begin with. but this is an issue that really does not receive enough attention. the fact that he was told fraudulent info has got to come into play here.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It definitely should.

but we know that the legal system are not going to look at that. They just want thier pound of flesh. Look at the Wall Street scandal that took place a couple of weeks back. Dudes was giving people who were buying houses wong info and put money on the fact that these people would go into foreclosure. Didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. So when I look at that, the fact that they wouldn’t except the fact that this girl lied to LT doesn’t surprise me. It’s real messed up but that the world we live in these days. Makes you wonder if we really are civilized.

Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on May 7, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

Wall street raped all of us repeatedly.

by costanza! on May 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah they paint the picture of statutory rape with a broad brush

when in fact, each case should be analyzed, and things like people lying about there age, showing false ID, etc., be taken into account before you ruin a person’s life.

by wilddre22 on May 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

GOTTA AGREE WITH THIS !!

She’s has got to admit she lied to the police. Clearly. Whatever guy is accused of this crime, is working on the assumption she’s not a minor if she “claims” she’s over 18, and guys DO ask. I know.

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by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall of fame

I am disgusted with LT, no matter HOW this shakes down, unless it was an unimaginable frame-up.
I’m one of those guys that thinks that Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, Manny, McGwire should all be taken out of the Hall of Fame and record books.
They cheated the game.
LT didn’t really cheat the game. What he just did has no bearing. He was voted in after the coke suspensions, etc., and should remain in the Hall.
What he’s lost is that he can now never be honored, celebrated, respected by most Giants fans, or at the stadium. Hall, yes. Love, no.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

we used to have a saying when we laughed at these guys in prison:

15’ll get you 5 to 10, sucker!

It’s a very complex social situation but I’m going with my gut and trusting the yuck factor on this one. The culture of preying on young girls is atrocious and repugnant.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on May 7, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a child when he was a star

This is the player I wanted to be. He’s why I wore 56 on my jersey. He was a hero to me, right or wrong. I looked past all the drug issues. I was even willing to dismiss that whole hit and run incident. But this is truly the straw that breaks the camel’s back. I truly can’t express how disheartened I am.

by YankeeDudeL on May 7, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said

When i was a kid LT was a real life Superman. I didnt follow the “off field” issues when I was a kid. When I found out about his short comings looked past them, but this is different. Like Simms said, this has a very high yuck factor.

by Giants56 on May 7, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a disturbing amount of misogyny in some of these posts

LT was a great player. He’s been a troubled, sometimes awful human being. Don’t know the whole story, but this whole situation is sordid. And sad. For him. The girl. Their families. Human wreckage wrought by outsized desire and lack of respect for oneself and others.
To be cavalier about this is to have no heart and less brains.

by ZILLAG on May 7, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you remember?

 The Luis Polonia case back in 1989? It sounds similar. The girl lied about her age, she was 15 and said she was 18. He pleaded no contest and served half of a 60 day sentence. I don’t think she was a prostitute though. And Polonia likely had no prior convictions, which will work against LT big time here. I’ll bet he’d take 30 days in a heartbeat if that was offered.
 Ernie P. sounds like was was a real tool that day. But maybe LT treated him like crap for years and he got fed up. Ernie was lucky LT didn’t really snap after being challenged like that though. LT can do a lot of damage pretty quickly. Right Joe Theisman?

by ronjohnson on May 7, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't prejudge

What ever happen to innocent, till find guilty?
Too many vultures out there to prejudge. I’ll wait and see.

by Olddiehard on May 7, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

LT was a greater football player and should remain in the Hall of Fame

I don’t know about all the particulars of the case and the intricacies of the New York legal system to say whether or not L T is guilty. I can say however, that he is clearly guilty of using bad judgment ( obvious statement of the year I know ). At 51 years old it shouldn’t be about whether or not she is 16 or 18 or in New Jersey or wherever. During his NFL days and the ten or so years after he retired it was about booze, drugs, hookers and having fun, right? He did all that because he was Lawrence Taylor. Now, because he’s Lawrence Taylor, should be the same reason why he shouldn’t be doing any of that.

by KumaBlue42 on May 7, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Well Said

Superstarzchef.....RABID GIANTS Fan on an Island

by superstarzchef on May 7, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to think about LTs personal life

Question is when I go watch the Giants play the Seahawks this year in Seattle should I wear the 86 Spider Taylor jersey or my new Tuck jersey…

by wangstu13 on May 8, 2010 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

total disrespect for Ernie Palladino

after reading the referenced article about Ernie Palladino’s confrontation with a retired LT, where he proudly describes aggressively provoking, harassing, verbally abusing LT with no provocation, I will never read another word that he writes. He is totally classless thinking that it makes a good story telling us all how he totally disrespected and provoked a private individual who asked to be left alone.
His story should have been an extremely apologetic story describing the unwarranted behavior that he subjected LT to, and a recognition that if he had been bitch slapped it could have been an appropriate response from LT. Instead LT had a patient reaction that very few men would be able to control.
Instead of being ashamed and apologetic, Mr Palladino tries to make himself look like a brave man and he believes himself someone to be admired.
I will from now on boycott Ernie Palladino and any publication that he writes for as I have absolutely no respect for such behaviour and unapologetic attitude. And his extremely unfair second unprovoked attack by posting this now, when LT is facing so much public scrutiny.

Shame shame shame on you Ernie Palladino.

by Spider Lockhart on May 8, 2010 2:57 AM EDT reply actions  

+1 spider

I was thinking the same thing when i read his bs article. He’s a little nothing of a man and he’s lucky LT didnt apply any pressure to his pencil neck. No class Ernie!!

by giantsNYrangers on May 8, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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