Apples to Apples

Celek vs Boss: for sure, each has their strengths, but do you really think the jury’s out yet? If you really want compare them to each other, does it not also depend on the system they are playing in? For example, and without looking at the statistics for those who will surely comment, Philly seems more inclined to pass while utilizing the TE (like Washington), whereas Giants O tends to use the TE in passing game as an after-thought (which many have also commented here that we should incorporate the TE more).

Personally, and of course biased, I am leaning towards Boss. But too soon – jury’s still out.

An interesting blog, thanks for taking the time to post.

Boss is a punishing runner after the catch too. It’s a shame he isn’t included more in the game plan.

is that Boss isn’t used. Celek is. While I’ll agree that Celek is a better after the catch runner (he is faster) Boss just isn’t used.

Why? Coughlin and Gilbride just simply in their years as coaching haven’t used the position as much as they should. Boss is a dude that’s OK with it too..and that’s why they got rid of Shockey even if he was a very good receiver (and he was a pain in the ass about it)

I know they weren’t picked close to each other, but I’d put the Chad Jones and Nate Allen picks this year in there as well.

Also, the Travis Beckum and Cornelius Ingram picks of last year too.

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I agree this will be the fun compare and contrast of draft picks from this year. Eagles traded up ahead of The Giants to get him and again Reese sat back and got his guy. Having both at the same position in the same division is gonna make this a sidebar to keep track of for years.

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Celek is great. But the Eagles use the TE position much more than the Giants do. Boss would be flat out amazing as an Eagle and we’d be talking about how he kills us every game, etc. etc.

He is easily the most under-utilized player on the Giants.

Celek had around 30 more receptions than Boss did. Boss averaged higher yards per reception.

Celek had 8 touchdowns and Boss had 5. Per their amount of receptions, Boss also had a better touchdown per reception rate than Celek did.

Celek is a great TE. He’s utilized very well by the Eagles.

Boss, however, is just straight up a better athlete who is so under-utilized in the Giants scheme that it’s not even funny. He’s also a fair bit larger than Celek is and his jumping is fantastic. I honestly don’t think Celek does a single thing better than Boss in terms of catching and making plays.

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I think you have to go Boss.

Last week’s draft was the best eagles draft I’ve probably seen — ever. They got huge steals in Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, Trevard Lindley (who shut down every receiver in the SEC two years ago), Jeff owens, and ricky sapp.

Anyway, about comparing talent. Of course Boss is superior to Celek, mainly because he is a very good run blocker while Celek isn’t. Like already mentioned, Boss doesn’t have big catching stats because A): Gilbride doesn’t use him as much and B): Eli misses him wide open a LOT.

Hakeem Nicks is also much better than Maclin. Maclin, from what I saw, has trouble getting off a jam from press coverage and doesn’t have the greatest hands in the world. He doesn’t have Nicks’ oversized hands, excellent route running ability, and body control. The only reason why Maclin was picked ahead of Nicks is because Maclin can run a 4.3 in a straight-line. Figures.

Boss does what is needed in your system he is an amazing run blocker…….we dont run.
Celek would bust for the Giants. Boss would do well but Celek fits our game better.

Nicks and maclin are also different

Whenever Brent makes a catch, can Egg fans jump off the couch and shout “Yeah! WHo’s the F@$kin Celek, baby!”

No. It works much better with Boss. Case closed.

it gives you some interesting things to think about on the Celek/Boss debate. here’s a few interesting tidbits:

- They had Boss ranked 3rd overall last season, while Celek was 13th with a overall negative rating.
- While Celek was 5th in cumulative receiving points, Boss was not to far behind at 9th overall.
- Surprisingly, Brent Celek’s strongest category was pass blocking, in which he was 10th overall. Boss was way down at 33rd.
- Run blocking was pretty much the exact opposite, with Bossman ranked 3rd overall, and Celek down at 30th.
- Celek caught 71.7% of passes thrown his way, while Boss caught 64.6%.
- Celek was 3rd in dropped passes, while Boss and his sure hands was tied for 31st, with one total.
- Celek made more people miss; 9 total defenders missed him, while Boss still had a respectable 6(including that great stiff arm in the ATL game)

You can take what you want from the numbers, and of course with a grain of salt, as we know that PFF and metrics aren’t an exact science. i’ll say this. While we all know that Celeks numbers look far and above better on the surface, there’s something to be said for the system that the TE plays in. The Eagles are a pass first, and frankly, pass happy offense. Big Blue while still chucking the rock, tries hard to maintain a balance with the run. So Celek easily has more opp. to catch the rock, thus the 200+ extra yards last year. As a matter of fact I read on a site(wish i remembered which, i’d link it) that Celek is more a product of his system, and the speedy receivers around him eating up safety and linebacker help.

i’ve also read by pundits of Boss that if he were that good, they’d throw him the ball. that is not true. Shockey i think we’d all agree was offensively better than both of them when healthy, yet his looks lessened when Fassel walked out, and Coughlin in. it’s just Coughlin’s way. he wants that TE to block that outside blitzer, and let the WR and backs get open. i can count how many times i saw Boss split out wide or in the slot.

And when you compare TE’s, for some reason people don’t take into account blocking, which is to me 50% of the comparison. However, since they don’t make glitzy numbers and stats for blocking, it gets caught in the wash, and only the offense is focused on. that’s irresponsible to me. Celek may have more catches and yards, but may have also given up more sacks last season. Or Boss may have pancaked more guys, that led to more net yards. you just can’t tell, since there are no real official stats for it. but blocking IS 50% of the comparison.

My opinion? Celek came on strong last year, and surprised the hell out of me. i remember screaming at my screen when we played you guys and Mcnabb kept hitting him. he’s good. on the flipside Boss is what we know he is; reliable, sturdy, great hands. PFF has it as Boss by far. i will disagree, and call it a wash at this point.