New York Giants News & Notes: New York vs. New Jersey
by cjmulrain on May 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT
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PrintWith the recent Giants/Jets Super Bowl bid, there's been some renewed talk about the "unfair" way New Jersey gets treated when discussing the two NFL teams that play in that state. Steve Politi writes that despite some lip-service to New Jersey, New York will be the real beneficiary of a Super Bowl played at the Meadowlands. As it should be, I might add. I'm kidding New Jersey, you know I love you...
Michael Eisen writes that Chris Canty has something to prove this season. Canty was supposed to be a difference maker last year, but he ended up having very little impact on the Giants defense.
Perry Fewell has made The Sporting News' list of five coordinators facing pressure this upcoming season. Honestly, I think that after the disaster that was Bill Sheridan, Fewell has very little pressure - the defense has nowhere to go but up.
In sad news, former Giants DT Norman Hand passed away yesterday after collapsing in his home. Hand played in 11 games for the Giants during the 2004 season & retired that year, after playing the bulk of his career with the Chargers and the Saints.
Finally, I don't normally do this, but BBV poster Willgfass posed the question "where were you when you became a Giants fan" in the fanposts section. There's already been a good conversation over there about it, but if you haven't participated, head over there and share how you became a Giants fan. Lately the fanposts have been generating a lot of comments, but I'm sure there are still some people out there who don't know what they are or never look over at the right side of their screen, and this is a good opportunity to let you know that this blog isn't just a place for Ed and I to share our thoughts, but is also a forum for you guys (and gals - I know we have a few!). If there's a Giants related issue that you have thoughts on that don't really fit in the comments, feel free to turn it into a fanpost. And if you've come across any cool Giants-related links that we miss, feel free to make a fanshot (just a little further down the page from the fanposts).
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Off-topic, but NY vs. NJ
Ranking according to the national census:
Median Income: NY #18, NJ #2
Persons w/Bachelor’s Degree or higher: NY #9, NJ #5
Unemployment Rate: NY #29, NJ #13
Just saying.
In any case, just a random question: What’s the deal with John Henderson? I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting to see if he’s been signed or not. I think he’d be an immediate upgrade in run defense if we included him in a package with Tuck and Kiwanuka on the outside, and him and Linval on the inside. He could also show Linval the ropes.
In other news, two teams that have shown interest in O.J. Atogwe (who hasn’t signed his tender) include the Cowboys and Eagles. I hope the ‘Girls don’t pick him up, he’d be an immediate upgrade for them.
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on May 15, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
that comparisons a little unfair, though
NJ is a far, far smaller state, and the majority of its population is living in high-density suburbs, which are generally the wealthiest, highest educated areas in the country.
In those statistical rankings, New Jersey gets all the benefits of having suburbs for a big city (both NY and Philly) , without any of the drawbacks. I guarantee if you compared NJ to Long Island & Westchester County, the numbers would be extremely close.
Similarly, NJ doesn’t have nearly as much rural land as NY does, which also brings the numbers down – people in rural areas make less money and are generally less educated than those in suburban areas.
2009 Did Not Happen
you'd be right,
but you know what they say, there’s lies, damned lies, and then there’s statistics.
Jersey is essentially a home state for alot of bigwigs that work in NY and Philly, but is basically the epicenter of the pharmaceutical industry for the US.
I also have to say that NJ is the country’s most densely populated state, so we’re squeezing out every inch of our land
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on May 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It's 40th in size
eigth in pop. Also, home to many corporate headquarters.
theres a thin line between lies and statistics
Like you and cj basically said, that median income stat is deceiving because most of those guys work in NY. That’s NY money! Or Philly money, further south.
Besides, once you get past westchester, you’d have a hard time separating upstate from Mississippi.
by wilddre22 on May 17, 2010 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that comparison is not unfair
thats perfectly fair. new jersey has to deal with the same urban blight that PA and NY have to (camden and newark much?) and the majority of people who live in nj also work in nj. i guess the only “unfair” benefit are the high paying jobs on wall street that live in NJ. but so what?
NJ has plenty of problems but so does NY, and theres nothing misleading about those demographics. it also doesnt make NJ better than NY. its just facts. and a suburban ny v subruabn nj would be an interesting comparison but the question was state v state. if you break it down into countries or regions than you have a different discussion.
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I think I've seen enough of Canty to know he's not going to be an impact player or elite player at his position
He might have a bounce back year, or he may just be Lavar arrington II
Really?
I always wonder how people reach certain conclusions. How do you know that Canty can’t be elite or make an impact? He was injured for the first time in his career, which was also his first year in a 4-3.. There is no precedent for your statement.
That’s like looking at Steve Smith’s first two seasons and saying that you’ve seen enough to know that he won’t be an impact or elite player at his position.
When he was healthy he seemed non-existant on game day
I just remember all the hype and excitement when we gave him the 42 million dollar contract. He’s obviously learning the 4-3 so I’ll give him, as a fan, a chance. Still very frustrated he contributed to nothing in the games he played in (except that game against dallas where he was penetrating a lot and flying all over piles. if only he could play like that every game last year when he was healthy)
Canty
The more I hear of Canty’s offseason, the more excited I get to see him in action this year. The guy is a beast, and I think he was not ready for all of the injuries piled on top of learning the new position.
It sounds like he has really stepped it up these past couple months and is ready to be a leader among the DL. I think that a starting day combo of Osi-Cofield-Canty-Tuck (although I’d rather see Linval over Cofield) with Fewell’s passion and enthusiasm behind them can make our DL return to tops in the NFL
- Mohamed Sanu: A Giant in Two Years-
Don't forget Alford
If he’s 100% healthy, he’ll force his way into the rotation as well, especially passing downs. He really looked good till he got hurt last year.
Thanks CJ
for the shout out.
I think that we can tell from the poll, that Jersey’s #1.
/jk, we’re all great.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
Also
We have fanshots people.
I think the most commented fanshot has like 5 comments, haha. Just because they’re further down doesn’t mean they don’t exist…
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
-Michael Strahan
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Same as above
OSTRACIZED!
That is what New Jersey has always happened to NJ when it is compared to NY. NJ has always fallen under the shadow of NY. Always fallen in the shadow of the lights and so called “World’s Staged.” Even the New York teams seem to carry favor over the NJ teams even when the NJ teams have the better records. In the case of the NY Giants, I can say that I remeber when they were called the NEW JERSEY GIANTS. The name was changed back to NY Giants without any real explanation but thats okay because I have always considered the Giants to be New Jersey’s team anyway. I remember posting the question as to why that was but never really got an answer. I guess no one else knew either. Its ok though, New Jersey can continue to sit in the shadow of New York but just because it is ignored doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Regarding Chris Canty, he is one of the reasons why I am going to wait until the present draft picks and trades prove themselves in the coming season. New NFL players are like ’Cracker Jack" surprises you never know what you have gotten until you open the box.
Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
by LoNJDTechnology on May 15, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
I'm from NJ and always defend the State
it truley gets a horrible rap especailly from people from Long Island, Connecticut, and PA for no reason whats so ever when none of those areas are any better but lets be real if the Super Bowl is in the new Giants Stadium the events durring the week should be in NYC, I mean what the hell are you going to do in Jersey suburbs by rt 3 and rt 17? Go to strip clubs and tour downtown Seacaucus? I mean NJ is fine and all to live in but with NYC 5 mins away why would they hold any Super Bowl event, outside of the game, in NJ. I mean where would you rather go for a Super Bowl party, Jersey City or Midtown Manhattan? And the fact that all of the events outside of the game will be in NYC is no slight at New Jersey. If the new Giants Stadium was in Comack, LI or Stamford ,Conn it would be the same exact deal so the Star Ledger needs to get over this NJ is being slighted rap the stadium is being selected BECAUSE it’s so close to NYC not because it’s in East Rutherford NJ.
Canty, ehh I don’t think he’ll be a great player, he never was I think all we could ask for is he stay healthy and be a solid interior lineman who knocks down a few balls and takes on double teams, he’ll never be and effective pass rusher or impact player. I don’t care what he says he’s been an average NFL player his whole carreer and was terrible last year hopefully he’ll improve into a good player.
Born in Brooklyn living in NJ
The NY – NJ thing:
- NYC is one of the brightest lights on the planet, it just seems dimmer in NJ because we are next door.
- People in Manhattan look down on people in the other boroughs, trust me Bridge and Tunnel refers to Bklyn and Queens as much as Jersey.
- Remember on that famous map, NJ does pretty well compared to the rest of the country.
Pennsylvania looks down on NJ? I never heard that one before. That is kind of funny. But if they have their property taxes under control, maybe they should make fun of us :)
perhaps I should have used preview
thought my list would get numbered
Yea PA people look down on NJ it's really wierd
I went to college in PA and even they had an attitute towards Jersey which cracked me up becasue the part of PA I went to school in was not a very nice area so I could’nt even get mad becasue it was commical. Also a lot of my friends were from the Philly area so they had a better than you/inferiority complex with Jersey it was strange and until we graduated and they came to my house for a graduation party or hung out with me at the Jersey shore did they realize that Jersey was 1,000 times better than any part of PA. The other aspect of the PA Jersey thing is the Philly suburbs. I found out about this when I moved from Essex county NJ to Mercer County NJ back in 04. Mercer County is half Philly crowd half NJ/NY transplants but the PA people ridicule the Jersey people down here the way North Jersey people get made fun of by New Yorkers. At least I could understand the New York thing but Philly making fun of Jersey?!
Philly is still angry about the Erie Canal
They were the #1 city in USA before that.
Philly making fun of Jersey?
Ironic considering how Philadelphians infest the Jersey shore.
NY State inhabitants who live close to PA borders call their PA neighbors, “woodchucks.”
NJ Jets, NJ Giants
If they want to base the teams in and play the games in NJ they should be called a New Jersey team! I understand it happens all the time where a teams namesake is one thing but it actually plays in a nearby city. Besides the Redskins tho are there other teams that actually play in a different state (yes I know DC isn’t a state but still…)??
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Well...
‘Dallas’ isn’t in Dallas…‘Buffalo’ isn’t in Buffalo…. New England is a region, which makes no sense at all for a football team… There’s the whole Kansas City, KS, Kansas City, MO thing…
I always thought of it as “greater NY metropolitan area” which would basically cover North Jersey, NYC, LI, Westchester/Rockland, Fairfield County, CT something like that.
this.
the stadium is closer to being NY then anything in NJ. Its just by the “imaginary border” of the state line that the stadium is in NJ.
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 16, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with where they play the games
It is totally about the franchises right to exclusive territory.
You think the Giants or Jets want a new team started in NYC?
I didn’t think so. I guarantee the Knicks are not happy about the Nets moving to Brooklyn, it will erode their fan base.
meh...
the bandwagoners can go to the Nets anyway….the bandwagoners to a new team started in NYC.
The Giants, Jets…even the Knicks, all have a history and loyal fanbase..basically those are the ones that matter anyway..the bandwagoners will follow the team that wins.
The Knicks won’t care about the Nets if the Knicks are winning. Regardless of if the Nets get good in Brooklyn, a winning team at MSG will not have an eroding fan base. Not even close.
The Giants, Knicks and the Jets will sell out games just based on those that are loyal to the team. So I doubt they give a crap.
It’ll cut into it a bit to start of course. But in the grand scheme there’s enough NY to go around for 2 more franchises in NY
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn't next year that the Knicks are worried about
Imagine you are born next week, as far as you are concerned the Nets are a hometown team. Brooklyn = 2.6M people.
Jacksonville Florida = 735,000.
Its not like MSG will be empty, but they make a ton of money selling the merchandise. That is 2.6M people that now have a team of their own.
No matter how you slice it, it hurts the Knicks business. And the business model for sports franchises is to not share. That is the whole point of exclusive territories.
(By the by, NYC mayor considered a lawsuit to get a team in NYC when they changed name of team to NJ, they changed back to NY helmets mighty quick after that)
I think you'd get an argument about that from
residents of Hudson County, particularly Seacaucasians.
Krajewski for president!!!
Geography
The Cowboys play in the state of Texas, Buffalo plays in the state of New York (and state of confusion but I digress), and Kansas City is in MO and that’s the state they play in, New England is indeed a region so they can just play anywhere in New England… and do. The point is those 2 New York teams don’t play in New York and it’s whackadoo. Parts of the area may feel like NY but it isn’t NY. I could care less where either team is from I just think it’s odd and even a slight to Jersey.
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
why do those teams get the benefit?
the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, but they get the benefit of being called Dallas? The Patriots can play anywhere in NE..and claim all of NE, so why do they get the benefit?
The Giants play in NJ, yet are closer to NYC the the Dallas Cowboys are to the city of Dallas, aren’t they?
The meadowlands is closer to NYC then it is to any city in NJ.
Just keep winning
by FreeBradshaw on May 16, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants terriotory extends well into CT
In fact until Pats started winning Super Bowls there were a fair number of Giant fans in Massachusetts by NY border.
When Pats came into existence they played their home games on Friday nights. They were afraid to go head to head with the Giants.
But each team is assigned a city that is its EXCLUSIVE territory, that no team can get started within that territory unless they sign off. I believe it extends 50 miles beyond the city limits (from the old blackout rules). So if for some bizarro reason, Hartford Ct became a metropolis with 1 M people, you can bet they get a bunch of sports franchises. And they succeed.
Well..
I consider NY and NJ to be the same..who cares?..I actually spent as much time in both states during my life..Who really cares?..and I’ll tell you one funny memory..I used to go to Point Pleasant NJ just about every weekend..We would stay at a place called Roslynnes Guest house..7 Bucks a night..Well after getting the standard “No sex allowed” speech, we would sit and watch football with the Husband..“Mr. C”..He’d be all set up on a chair in their living room…Bigtime Steelers fan..Well, one night he got up from his Pilsner glass and tuned the channel from the Steelers/Dolphins game..to the Jets/Raiders game (pre-season)..Well me and my buddy started howling..about ten minutes later, he turned around and accused us of changing the channel on him..I didn’t think my chest could handle the laughter, and I thought my buddy needed CPR..So we recovered and had two chicks we picked up and got laid..haha..So much for the "No Sex Allowed " speech…For those of you that don’t know me..Well all of you probably don’t…When I show up..every weekend for three years at a dump bed and breakfast joint, I do not need a no sex allowed speech every time..I have heard it..like for instance last fucking week..Mrs C..All your telling us is the party is on !!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Well I must add that that was then..At 54 this is now..
Hi Bob your room is on the third floor second one on the right..No sex speech..When I get proofed now, I give them a tip..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
As a kid, from the ages of 3-13
my mother had a business on the boardwalk of the private beach in Loch Arbour (between Deal and Asbury Park.) Her sign said, “Genuine Swedish Masseuse.” She was Irish, but Swedish massage was the in thing for the tony types who had access to the beach. She also administered high colonics. We lived in an apartment right on the beach.
By the end of the summer, my skin was almost black (except my nose, which just burned and peeled) and my hair was bleached white. Great times for a kid to roam beach all day, swim, play ball.
For the past twenty-seven years I’ve paid for those carefree days with 4Xtimes a year visits to a dermatologist to remove cancers and precancerous lesions. All basal cell, except for one squamous, knock wood. All but one on my face. Two Mohs surgeries on my nose (one took seven hours and 156 micro stitches) all required skin grafts (from behind my ear.) The doc asked me if all that fun was worth it in hindsight.
“You better believe it,” I said.
You need to take care of that George..I'm not worried about the Basil..It is the squamous..
That one..and we all want the “Blue Gonz” around for along time..Anyway, my wife is from Brigantine..I don’t know how I hooked her (geez that sounds awful)..It wasn’t a pair of comfortable shoes, like Ed wears..but they did the trick..and I’ll be married to her forever..as long as I remember to stop one thing..Singing “Under the Boardwalk” to her.She’s out getting her claws fixed and sharpened as I post this..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I just re-read this..Please take care of this..I had MOHs done on 9-11..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
The squamous was more than ten years ago;
the last Mohs, about five.
I’m not worried.
Melanoma would scare me.
Oh okay..that's good..You are my favorite out here..I like all the folks but you and Jolly are special
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Giants / Jets
Both the Giants and Jets should be New Jersey. Its about time it should be done. New Jersey paid for the first stadium, New York did not. The teams play in New Jersey not in New York. The fans are paying for the over priced seating at the games and a lot of the fans are from New Jersey. Traffic back ups are in New Jersey not around a stadium in New York. Its about time to at least have NJ and NY together on both teams logos.
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