Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Linval Joseph, DT, East Carolina
Want to make the New York Giants middle linebacker look a lot better, no matter who it turns out to be? Get a pair of defensive tackles in front of him who can swallow up blockers, keep him clean and let him fly to the football without having to shed a bunch of blockers.
Though I bypassed UCLA defensive tackle Brian Price in our Mock Draft, I steadfastly believe a run-stuffing force at defensive tackle would be a tremendous addition to the Giants' 2010 defense.
While doing the Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile series I have touched on a number of players who might fill that role. Today, let's focus on another one.
East Carolina's 6-foot-5, 328-pound Linval Joseph is a junior who is entering the draft a year early. NFL Draft Scout calls him a player who "looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique."
Joseph is an intriguing talent, and he is likely to be available in the middle to late rounds. He might be worth a shot if the Giants get to the fourth or fifth round and they have not yet addressed adding someone to the defensive tackle mix.
Let's take a closer look.
In the video above the one thing I see is a guy who runs well and seems to have excellent side-to-side quickness for his size.
Linval Joseph Scouting Reports
From the National Football Post.
A tall, thickly built defensive tackle who fills out his frame well, Joseph possesses an above-average first step for his size but allows his pad level to get too high on contact. ... Showcases some natural power and quickness when trying to fight his way into the backfield and penetrate his way inside. ... An athletic kid for his size, but he needs to play with a lower pad level in order to maximize his potential. He made a lot of plays vs. Conference USA competition this year but wasn't nearly as effective vs. the better conferences on the schedule. He needed another year but has some upside.
From NFL.com.
Joseph is a big body who could line up at nose tackle in a 3-4 front or interior defender in a 4-3 scheme. He is somewhat one dimensional as a run defender. He flashes ability to anchor well when he keeps his pads down but can be very inconsistent in this area. He has strong arms and hands to control blockers but can be slow to shed to the pile. He has decent quickness between the tackles but lacks range outside the box. He flashes power to collapse the pocket as a bull rusher but needs to expand his pass-rush package to become more effective in this area. Joseph has enough size and strength to push for a starting role along the defensive line, but weight and durability concerns likely will affect his draft status.
From NFL Draft Scout.
Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position.
Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase, can be effective when well rested.
Why Joseph fits with the Giants
Because he is a run stuffer, a guy who can help anchor what was a very soft middle for the Giants in 2009. Who really cares if there are stamina concerns? I don't. Any defensive tackle the Giants bring in is going to play limited snaps as part of a rotation, anyway, so that is not a problem. Plus, many of the reports indicate he is just beginning to tap into his potential. To me he is intriguing. Even as a guy who might be looked at as a long-term replacement for someone like Rocky Bernard, or even Chris Canty if he flops again. Seems like he has some technique issues that can be corrected with quality coaching.
Why the Giants should pass
Because Joseph has struggled in the past to keep his weight down. You don't want to draft guys and watch them eat their way out of the league.
46 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
If you're one of those that believe that the downfall of Fred Robbins is a big reason
why the Giants defense has pretty much taken a dump since the end of 2008…well, Linval is a whole lot like Fred Rob.
If he’s there in the 3 range..I think you must take him. I doubt he falls that far..cuz well, at his pro day he ran a 4.93 fo’ty time. Regardless of what a 40 time means…a 6"5 330lbs man should not be doing that.
He’s also a state weight lifting champ and doesn’t have T-Rex arms either (34 1/2"), so he’s strong.
Productive too.
The whole weight thing shouldn’t especially be a problem as long as its relatively in control. Espeically if plugging the OL is what he’s supposed to do anyway.
Definitely 3rd round if he’s there.
Penetrating and Devastating!
I agree w/Free
I dont think he will last past the 3rd and may go late 2nd. With his size, strength, speed combination he has a ton of upside. If he is there when we pick in the 3rd we should be all over it.
If
he is young Robbins, fine, and coming out a year early. It would seem he has plenty of room to grow figureatively speaking. Still hoping they cut Bernard myself, he sucks, period.
by Great Gatsby on Apr 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
i love this guy for our defense. he’s strong and has a good first step, which is crucial for any lineman. It said he plays with a high pad level and that can be corrected within the first few practices if the right coaching is administered. but yeah he definatly wont drop past the 3rd round
high pad level
“functional strength and stamina” and nutritional worries…ALL are things that coaching regime should easily be able to handle..
A run stuffing Dt is what we NEED, and this guy has a high ceiling apparently.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
he may go mid to late 3rd.
but i think he can be couched up ,as "free "said ,can be a fred robbins type..which i think we all would sign off on..or we can just grab Cam thomas
i know McClain is gonna be great
but this is part of the reason i would love too trade back and grab weatherspoon..McClain had a lot easy go of it with" fat cody’ sittin in the front seat
I scratch my head a little whenever I see that argument.
Sure, Cody is a Man-Mountain, but that is a pretty dimissive argument to devalue the top LB in the draft. Watch some game film and you will see that Ro rarely shields himself with his NT. He plays mostly to one side of the other and is at the line of scrimmage within a half second at positions all along the line.
The most important thing McClain brings with him is his intelligence, football and general. At 20 years old, he has metric tons of upside. This is what totally separates him from the other top prospects.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Ya, what giants56 said....
im not trying to disparage McClain… but it aint like he did it alone..i just think without dout spoon will be a beast…
Just consider that Spoon played outside, so the D-line doesn't really factor.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
He played inside too
and often blitzed the A gap from either LB position.
His mobility is great
for a fatboi. He shows great footwork and pursuit. Id grab him with a 3rd or 4th. after addressing oline and lb in rounds 1-2
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I like this kid, but I like Lamarr Houston alot better.
Houston is rising on the draft boards. He’s a 3-Technique with great size and can be a great asset in the run game as well as the pass rush. He’ll go in the 2nd round, so some of you might see that as a value issue. I personally think that Houston is a 1st round talent and a step above Price.
Linval’s issues with motivation and weight control give me pause. Good player if you consider you may not get 100% from him. In the 4th, he would be a good deal, although he may not fit what Fewell wants to do with the DL. Robbins played 3-tek and this kid may or may not be the answer. I’m very curious to see what we do at this postion because this may be very low on their needs evaluation.
At tackle, we probably have a shot at “sister lover” Tony Washington. He’d go in the first if it weren’t for the incident when he was only 16 years old. He’s stayed out of trouble since then. I have him in my latest mock in the 4th. I gotta give FreeB credit for opening my eyes up a little on him.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I thought that Houston played great in BCS Championship game
I also think that Robbins athleticism is being overlooked. Fast Feet Freddie was a load because of his agility and his size, not just a big load.
At 6-2 305 and recruited as a RB Houston played NFL style, not just bull ahead, but moving all over the field.
He would be a great 2nd round pick.
Not to mention that if we got McClain and Houston we'd be making the middle of our D...
No Man’s Land.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I'm not saying that McClain isnt the top MLB
But it IS a legit argument. Look at Ray Lewis. His best seasons definitely came when he was playing behind fat Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa. He practically demanded they draft Ngata. Life at MLB is easier with big DT/NT. Again, McClain would be my pick over Spoon, I’m just sayin.
The Ngata thing came after they went 3-4 IIRC.
I’m presuming this was a response to the Man-Mountain comment. It’s essential to have a fatboy NT in the 3-4, but there is alot of room for creativity in the 4-3 with one NT and one 3-Technique. The NT in a 4-3 tends to be a little more athletic and slightly smaller, especially in Cover/Tampa 2, which I don’t believe will be more than an occasional element in our D.
Spoon playing outside makes the D-line argument kind of irrelevant. They’re two very different players playing two distinctly different positions. Please don’t anybody start up the “he can play all the positions” argument. He’s really best suited as a 4-3 WLB and a stud at that. It would be foolish to waste a talent by putting him in an unnatural position.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
im not even sayin he is a shoe- in for MLB.
i would try in grab butler,angerer or chaney and so on later.. at 15 NOBODY is there that fits are needs,(most likely).soo trade back, grab this beast and fill needs later.this draft allows for that…feelin me yet?
I feel you. I just don't agree with you.
If JR wants McClain, he’ll be willing to do what it takes to get him. If not, I don’t believe he will look at LB until at least the 2nd rd.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Jon Beason was and OLB in college
He played only a few games at MLB. He was primarily a WLB. I think he transitioned well to being a MLB wouldnt you say? I’m really just playing devils advocate. I would rather have McClain.
IIRC Beason was being talked about as a MLB during draft time.
He certainly had the body type.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Beason is 6’0 237. Spoon is 6’1 239. Again, I would probably go McClain. I would say as many people are talking about Spoon as a MLB as they were about Beason.
I remember Beason looking the part, not necessarily the measurables.
Then again, it’s still a little foggy.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Comparing player to player is slipery
But body type wise and being talked about as a MLB wise Spoon is as much a MLB prospect as Beason was. Spoon lined up at multiple spots in college and was used quite a bit to blitz the inside of the line form different spots, so he has experiencing interacting with the line. Spoon is obviously being talked about as a MLB during draft propsect as several NFL.com analaysts, WlaterFootball, etc. have all mocked Spoon to us as our MLB.
True dat. I would rather take a player who is predominantly one with experience
in the middle with the mental ability to run the D like AP did. I only see one such candidate in the first round. If we don’t get him, expect to see me on the Chaney bandwagon.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
OK Its the 4th round and the Giants are on the clock
Joseph is there, but so is Kyle Calloway
Who do you take?
I'd choose Joseph
unless they already had a DT on board…
Calloway’s OK but I don’t think he’s a better talent at his position then Joseph. Neither would start, but I think Joseph has a better chance of being Barry Cofield, then Calloway has a chance of being Dave Diehl.
Penetrating and Devastating!
Maybe Calloway's there in round 5?
I don’t think Joseph falls to round 4..let alone round 5, so I think that I like both of em, and the chances are better if they take Joseph first in order to do just that.
Penetrating and Devastating!
That's a good question
I would be happy with either in the 4th. I would probably go Calloway because i think he will eventually be a starter at RT in a Mckenzie/possibly Runyan mold. Who would you take true?
I'd take Calloway
I think that if you can get a nice big RT in round 4 (from Iowa so you know he is fundamentally sound), that is a good pick.
This season, likely to have 2 positions change with Beatty at LT and Diehl moving back to LG
Getting the RT is the next order of business.
Agree, but if Tony Washington is available there, which would you take, him or Calloway?
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I have to go w/Calloway.
I could lie and say it’s because Calloway has had success at a bigger program and stuff like that, but it’s really cause the “sisterly love” thing. I know he was “only” 16 but that is old enough in my opinion. I dont want the jokes and baggage that will come with him. Might be unfair but thems the brakes.
Fair enough, but the talent level of Calloway isn't even close to Washington.
and at 16, I think the small head has unchallenged control over the big one. It’s a sick thing to consider, but it’s not murder or even rape. I think the first person to bring this up in the media will be committing professional suicide. The kid has done nothing wrong since and if Vick gets to play, he should too.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
First, let me apologize in advance.
And I dont want to seem like I’m arguing just for the sake of arguing. You definitely have some valid points. I cant dispute the difference in talent, I havent seen Washington play. You say it isnt murder or even rape, but he DOES have to register as a sex offender so its definitely something.
He made a mistake as a minor and I get that. I’m not saying he shouldnt play in the league, I just dont want him on my beloved NY Giants.
No apology necessary. You are totally entitled to your opinion. I respect that.
You obviously get my point, so no need to rehash it. Cheers!
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I was originally a Joseph fan
or more a fan of getting a big run stuffer in general, but the adding of Nunn as the DL coach makes me rethink that. Nunn as I understand it is a specialist in 1 gap lines of tampa 2 type defenses. I would assume that means Fewell is looking to have a DL that focuses on penetrating the line rather than consuming blockers. If that’s the case I’d think if we are going to get a DT in the draft it is someone who can compensate if Alford isn’t 100%. Maybe a Lamarr Houston, maybe an Alualu, but those guys are both 2nd rounders so maybe someone later.
I would prefer a run stuffer
But i think you are probably right. I think it will be a more penetrating type 3 typw. If they do I wouldnt mind Lamarr Houston or even Brian Price if he slips.
yep thats how Houston came to Texas
They knew he was big and talented, but only found his spot at DT later.
Houston and Price are fine
and if they fall to #46, you take em. Simply cuz while I like Joseph too, I don’t think I’d take him over Houston or Price at #46.
So, you go for who’s there. You don’t pass em up to wait.
Houston is a good run stuffer as well..Price aint to shabby either. They get the job done if a bit of a different way, but the job gets done (at least at the college level).
Houston was a key cog in one of the best defenses in the nation. I’d be thrilled with him at #46. If they go differently, Joseph would be a hell of a value in the third (provided we didn’t trade it….)
Penetrating and Devastating!
I'd bet that at least one DT falls to Giants in 2nd
After Suh, McCoy and Williams go high it will take 3 teams out of the running in 2nd round.
I agree
The value for either player would be to great to pass up at 46. I would also prefer Houston. He is just as talented and I would say he gives more effort.
Please not another Joseph at DT!
Especially one with motivational issues. What’s next, we hear Shockey said he’s good…

by 

















