NFL Draft Grades: Everybody is doing it
by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
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PrintEverybody is a critic. And today everyone who has a forum is playing teacher, judge, jury -- whatever you want to call it -- and handing out draft grades or assessments.
You know I hate this rush to judgment, even if I did do a draft 'Kudos & Wet Willies' this morning. How does anybody know anything about how any of these players will turn out when none of them has even attended a rookie mini-camp? We can try to project, and assess what teams tried to do, but no one knows what anyone really accomplished.
With that said, let's look around the Inter-Google and see what others are saying about supposed winners and losers in the 2010 NFL Draft.
- SBNation.com is aggregating draft assessments from all 32 of our network's NFL sites. It was published before my 'Kudos & Wet Willies' post, but that's OK.
- SB Nation's Mocking the Draft looks at the team-by-team grades handed out by a handful of experts, and adds some thoughts of its own.
- Yahoo! Sports Shutdown Corner reviews the draft of each NFC East team.
- SI.com's Ross Tucker opines on what he thinks are the best and worst moves by each team. Some of you will agree with his assessment of the Giants, though I don't really care. The draft was defense-heavy, and that's what I was hoping to see.
- SI.com's Peter King loves the Giants selection of Phillip Dillard in the fourth round.
- Just for grins, I went back and looked at how CJ and I did in our mock drafts. I had five first-round picks correct, and CJ had three. Not that it means a thing, but I was curious.
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I love how the Giants get downgraded
cuz they didn’t take a LB in the first 2 rounds, or in both. Especially without mentioning whom exactly they’d take.
It's cool, though, Free
…one of the best things about the 2007 season was the fact that we were trashed all the time, and then shoved our guns into the media’s face and forced them to eat crow.
I wonder what’s going to happen in 2010, everybody who’s trashing these picks, when they finally see what happens to opposing quarterbacks.
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 26, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
absolutely
I remember reading the walterfootball one, they blasted JR for “ignoring” the OL again.
The 5th rounder that year was Adam Koets, so hopefully this year’s 5th round OL turns out better :)
The fact he blocked for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones about ye years ago..shows he’s not a poser tho.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitch Petrus, IMO
was my favorite pick of the draft, and the one I’m most excited for. He’ll excel i think best in power running plays, where he can be a dominant lead blocker. I can envision him, as a former FB/TE downfield in a hurry, bench pressing linebackers right and left. Jacobs and Bradshaw must be thrilled.
and yeah, he was there for jones and mcfadden. Considering how terribly mcfadden is performing now, this is a good sign.
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I should have gone with my first instinct
and picked McClain in the BBV mock draft. At least I got the fact that Bruce Campbell would end up with the Raiders correct.
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
No one knows - yet
Like y’all said, I am still grading the 2009 draft.
I STILL dislike the JPP pick but the wisdom behind it cannot be ignored. If he is a star then the Giants have put themselves in a GREAT position DL-wise.
I see one reach – Tracy in the 6th but overall this is a solid B grade with the chance to go up or down depending on JPP and Dillard.
Agree with the last line for sure,
JPP and Dillard, I think, headline the draft. JPP because he’s a 1st round pick, and Dillard because he’s what fills Pierce’s shoes (or at least competes with Goff for it).
Introducting: Jason Fear-Paul
by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Tracy was a definite to get drafted
and was a 5-7th rounder. Kinda like Dillard, they really broke even in terms of value there.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you reach in the 6th round?
Its not like he was the team manager.
Statistically at this point in the draft you are talking about special teamers who might not make the team.
I wouldn't call it a reach
I’d call it a throw away pick. Reese made throw away picks lat year at the end of the draft too.
they already had 7 picks on board by the time the 6th and 7th round rolled on
little different this year.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Reese does that
I do think he understands the low success rate of late rounders, so he tries to find someone that has extra untapped potential.
Tracy played DE, but maybe he can be a LB, if he can he might be a bunch better than a 6th rounder, if he can’t he’ll probably get cut like the 6th round LB prospect they might have taken instead. Its a different sort of philosophy, but one Al Davis used to execute well in his younger days.
He'll take at least a year to learn the new spot
even if he has some ST abilities you can’t afford to give him a roster spot just for that. If you could Tyree would still be a Giant. He’s a practice squad player at best. There would have been plenty of other options that had ST impact while also having a chance to contribute as a reserve. In the 6th round there is still a high chance of not making the team, but a player not going through a transition would at least have a better shot at it.
I guess the reach I meant was as a LB
JR drafted this guy to play another position – a bit of a reach in my book.
But the read on him is good so perhaps he makes the transition. easy enough.
Another good one
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
draft grades are as useful as Power Rankings.
meaning not at all…
Let’s grade the picks in 3-5 years.
You have to take it with a grain of salt
It’s all just opinions. Now, someone who’s played and coached in the league probably has a better take on these players than me, but it’s still a big jump from college to the pros.
I stupidly jumped into a rant over on MTD from a Jags fan that it looking for technical proof why McCoy was a better DT than Alualu. He’s upset that the pick is called a reach and insists no one can say that unless they can provided a detailed explanation. That everyone professional in the media says so does not count.
What I’ve liked about this site lately is that we can express disagreement with JPP, while still acknowledging that Reese knows more than we do.
Exactly Mel Kiper is a national analyst
He’s terrible and know squat about most teams. Just one example.
Kiper along with the rest of those fools are blowhards..Do you for one second think they
actually analyzed anything?..I’ll take anything you guys have to say about a player over them anytime..because we are focussed on our teams needs..As Wang would say I could give a Rats Ass what these bozos have to say..We got rated a B-minus..I was hoping for an F..just to eventually shut these fools up..If one guy we picked makes a dent, they’ll spin it around in a heartbeat and try to convince us that they made the call.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Gamblin' Jerry Reese.
It’s boom-or-bust, but really, who the hell knows? This bunch could turn out great, or we could find ourselves weeping at the missed opportunities. Right now, it’s impossible to tell. I do like that Chad Jones pick and Petrus and even the punter. But grades are just crazy.
However.
I love what the 49ers and Ravens did.
I’m impressed with the Gators Patriots.
I am severely pissed off at the Al Davises for stealing our picks. But also like how they ended up. They might actually be watchable this year.
Look out for the Lions. Don’t sleep on ‘em, y’all.
Denver did…something. Time will tell.
The Cowgirls’ first two picks are somewhat worrisome. They’ve been easy to run on, maybe not so much now. And if Dez Bryant turns into something, that’ll be a pain in the ass.
LOLZ AT TEH EAGLES. All those picks and nothing jumps out at me at all. Brandon Graham? Solid player. Could have been a great player for the Broncos or Patriots.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Ross Tucker
Has a point that if you agree with the first 2 rounds of this years draft you are accepting that Reese failed in his free agency moves last offseason. If you pay big bucks for DL players in FA one year and are having to draft that position at the top next year to likely cut one of those guys that’s a fail. Let’s just hope we aren’t drafting safety high next year because that’s where Reese spent his FA money this year.
I don't see it that way
You can only make moves based on the prior years results.
Phillips got hurt, they have brought in 3 safeties.
The pass rush flagged and they have brought in 2 high picks to juice it up.
Pierce retired, and they added a MLB.
Short yardage stalled, get an OL that is powerful and nasty.
They simply tried to get the best guys when they could.
That' a good point
I wish we could continue to just show up and play for no reason. No umpires, no scorers. Just show up and have fun.
-- Alex Rodriguez
I disagree
Joseph is an NT, which is what Cofield is. Bernard and Canty are not NTs so Joseph wouldn’t be replacing them in the rotation. Also, Osi and Kiwi weren’t free agent pickups so I don’t see how drafting a DE has anything to do with free agency. I believe it’s the fact that JPP was the best value there, according to the Giants, and that either Osi or Kiwi will not be a Giant in 2011.
By the way, Tom Rock of Newsday said that the Giants were discussing trading Barry Cofield to the Saints. That means Joseph would’ve replaced Cofield as the team’s only NT.
I believe
Bernard was supposed to be the nickel NT, which is what I’d expect Joseph’s best spot to be as well. Despite being a huge 328 pounds a lot ofscouting reports list him as playing more like a 3 tech than a NT and not having the stamina to play as the starter. I’d think he is the logical guy to use to cut Bernard who ended up being a flop. Maybe the Giants feel they can teach him better technique to use his size and improve his stamina to the point where he replaces Coefield, but I don’t think that is soon.
Bernard was signed as a NT to rotate with Cofield. Canty and Alford were our 3-Techniques. Robbins actually played 3-Tek for us
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Could you explain the key differences?
And what each one means? I think I know, but I’m probably confusing them with others…
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
It's where they line up
0 lines up over center, 1 between center and guard, 2 over guard, 3 between guard and tackle, 4 over tackle, 5 outside of tackle. I think analysts made up the terms to sound more pompous.
In most 4-3 alignments, one DT lines up in a more traditional run-stopping role in the 0 or 1 positions, and is commonly referred to as the NT. The other DT lines up in the 3 slot and is more of a penetrator.
There is a lot of confusion over Joseph. He has the size and strength to play NT, but also the speed and agility to play the 3.
but I think Joseph confirmed that he will be playing NT for the Giants
BTW did they announce what #’s the rookies will wear?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 27, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Canty and Bernard got injured
Last time I checked but Reese probably doesn’t have a crystal ball. You can’t blame a GM for injuries. So we add more depth because our team lacked it’s traditional identity. Get pressure on the QB and stop the run.
I like JR's thinking
Not a huge JPP fan but iunderstand. It’s on offensive league and passing league but we are pretty set on offense as far as skill position goes. We addressed offense with Ham, Nicks, Beckum, Barden. Once Spiller and Best were gone there weren’t any playmaking backs worth taking.
So JR gets a pass rusher in JPP, a run stuffer and a guy that can push the pocket in Joseph, and a safety that can play in the box and has speed to cover. And in the 4th he gets a potential signal caller/starting MLB….not to mention a guard that adds depth and has potential to start
by Giants56 on Apr 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good point by peter king from S.I
when he ask the question, if jpp was or is the best pass rusher or de in the draft, then why did he only have 6 sacks last year. This is why i gave the giants a B+ instead of a A or A+ in this draft. I’m not saying jpp won’t be good or great, but his production wasn’t great and he only have 1year college experience, that bothers me, a lot. The giants could have took morgan who had 12 sacks last year or could have took tackle bulgar at 15.
Not a good point at all
This was about upside, Morgan is solid and talented but this is as good as he gets JPP will continue to excel, and he didnt start every game, came from Juco, doesnt know much about football, that was 6 sacks from a guy just winging it compared to 12 from a guy thats been pro ready so you do the math! also JPP is tougher and by the way for the last time he doesnt have to start, he has 3 of the best DE’s to learn from…… who does Morgan have to bring him in and teach him what he doesnt know?? JPP is in an excellent situation, way better than Morgan is honestly……… also Morgan to me is just a little better than Chris Long, I dnt think he is a double digit sack guy in the NFL consistently as his college #’s would have you believe.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Ive been saying the same thing since the day before JPP got selected
On ability he’s a Top 5-10 pick and this was the perfect fit for him. The only knock on him is that he’s only been playing football for 3 years. He got picked by a team with 3 starting caliber DEs.So he won’t be rushed onto the field. People insist he’s this years Vernon Gholston but that couldn’t be farther from the truth. Pierre-Paul has ideal ( actually beyond ideal ) size and speed numbers. Gholston was a LB/DE tweener. He also has a motor and loves football enough to get taken to the ER during a game, get shuttled back and beg the coaches to allow him back into the game. That leads me to believe he’ll learn the game and work to get better. The Jets drafted Gholson to fill an immediate need whereas the G-Men are putting JPP in a situation where he gets to compete for playing time and address his technique. That’s the difference between drafting for need and drafting with a long term plan. I have no doubt that he’ll be successful because he’s in the perfect position to succeed.
I also think the idea that this wasn’t a need is being overstated. Osi and Kiwi combined for 10 sacks last year. Kiwanuka is also a free agent and Osi is an underachiever and part time malcontet. The risk is limited and the upside is outstanding. I loved the pick.
by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Osi
Not sure you can call him an underachiever. He was frustrated by his own lack of performance in returning from a serious knee injury, and by the defensive schemes of the former DC. Give him this year to reemerge. Based on his recent comments, he sounds like he’s once again got the head screwed on straight. The knee should be 100% and we have a new DC that is a player’s coach. I’m convinced we see the old Osi this year!
Only 6 sacks
It sounds bad. But first remember that college seasons are shorter. So 6 = 8 in the NFL. Then, he also only started 7 games.
Looks better now, huh?
JPP played in all 12 games
but he only started in the last 7
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 27, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
also...
he’s basically a freshman.
Still no?
Pipe and a crape?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 27, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Side note:
I think Marc Ross drafted Oaklands first two picks then handed it back over to Al and co.
I also think Linval joseph was an excellent pick up for sure but the Giants are not fooling me they had the DT’s ranked exactly how they went off the board and so did Oak…… the Bucs, Raiders and Giants all had it ranked Price, Houston, Joseph but all are very good and strangely they all fell to the perfect systems for their attributes especially Price but I think Oak wanted Price Just like Tampa because of the Warren Sapp history at both franchises.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Great Read on JPP
The NY Times Blog, The Fifth Down, has a great article by Andy Barall on JPP entitled In Defense of Giants’ Pick of Pierre-Paul.
He talks about how JPP was the right pick for the Giants because he was rated like 6th on their draft board, thus they took the highest rated player on their board, and didn’t reach for a need.
I dunno if anyone has posted this yet.
Just gimme some playmakers
To be honest
I could give a rats ass about what analysts say about the Giants. With the insight and constant discussion of our team, not 32 teams, I feel the BBV community collectively know what our strenghths are and how we addressed them. This site may not be perfect, but I feel it knows more than most national analysts. Now if a former player actually researched and knew our team, how we play, which is rush the passer, then I’d be more inclined to accept their analysis.
Most analysts liked the JPP pick
It is us “civilians” chattering like old housewives because he only had one year in Div I and was labeled as an “athlete”. I almost think he would have fewer detractors if he was less athletic.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe he was the #1 DE on several analysts’ boards, including Mayock’s.
We got nobody I picked...
I consider that a successful draft..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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