Who is your favorite New York Giants' draft choice?
My favorite pick by the New York Giants of the three-day 2010 NFL Draft is Linval Joseph, the monstrous defensive tackle from East Carolina.
Follow the jump for some reaction from around the Inter-Google regarding the Giants' draft.
The addition of LB Phillip Dillard from Nebraska in the fourth round could be the most underrated pick of the Giants draft as the inside linebacker is a quick study who could ultimately find a home in that linebacking group if incumbents Jonathan Goff(notes) and Gerris Wilkinson(notes) don’t work out.
Dillard probably won’t be the starting middle linebacker this year, but he has a lot of upside from both an athletic and mental grasp of the game, and could ultimately earn some snaps if the winner of the Gerris Wilkinson-Jonathan Goff battle doesn’t pan out.
From ESPN's Matt Mosley
I could almost sense that Tom Coughlin and Jerry Reese were seething about the '09 season during this draft. Everyone wanted them to take a middle linebacker in the first round, but it didn't happen. The Giants made this draft about reclaiming the line of scrimmage. They started out with the immensely talented, but somewhat unproven, South Florida defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul and then selected an enormous defensive tackle from East Carolina named Linval Joseph in the second round. Even when you thought they might turn to offense in the sixth round, they went with a sleeper defensive end out of Williams & Mary named Adrian Tracy. This pick had Reese written all over it because he loves overachieving kids from small schools. Tracy's not a three-down lineman by any stretch of the imagination, but he gives the Giants more options. If the Giants are able to become an elite defense again, we'll point back to the 2010 draft as a major turning point. In terms of potential impact players, this reminds me of the '07 draft. And that's a great thing for Giants fans.
Good draft. I like the bet they're making on Jason Pierre-Paul. If you have a chance to take a star at that point, and it won't kill you in the meantime because you have some depth, it's a shot you can take. Beyond that, Linval Joseph could be a steal. A really active player at his size. Giants fans may not know Phillip Dillard, but as inside linebackers go, he has excellent range and could develop into a really good one. At No. 117 overall, that's a nice get.
By the way, if you watched ESPN's coverage at all didn't it look like Kiper spent most of his time looking -- and sounding -- like he wanted to punch somebody? Jimmy Clausen not being selected until the 48th pick made Kiper look foolish, and he spent three days being grumpy because of it.
Oh, and here is one more draft reaction you may care about more than all the others combined.
From Osi Umenyiora
"I'm not unhappy at all," Umenyiora wrote. "The team has come out and said I won't be traded so now it's time to just go out and play. I truly believe I'm among the best ends in the league and now its time to stop talking and go out and prove it. That goes for everyone also."
"I thought it was a good move for them to draft an end actually," Umenyiora wrote. "The lb (linebacker) wasn't available, and the Giants have always drafted the best player available and he obviously was it."
Love the fact that Osi seems to be coming around. In the end, the best thing for the 2010 Giants' defense could be a motivated Umenyiora determined to prove on every snap that he is still a great player.
[NOTE: Monday I will have a 'Kudos & Wet Willies' look at each pick the Giants made in the draft. When a complete list of undrafted free agents signed by the Giants is available, I will get that to you as well.]
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I agree with Kiper 100%
Re: Jason Pierre-Paul. The Giants weren’t a bad team last year they were just far from creative schematically which caused them to get exposed. If Jason Pierre-Paul becomes Justin Tuck, that’s fantastic but if he flames out.. it won’t set the franchise back three or four years. My favorite pick is Adrian Tracy by the way.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 25, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
Why Tracy?
If Sintim is a player Tracy is never more than a backup WIL. Just curious, though I love the Tracy pick as well.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps personal bias?
I saw him play twice this season and once when he was a sophomore and he was the type of guy who was around the ball all the time. Even if he’s just a special teamer, he’s athletic, has adequate LB size and provides depth at a position of need while also being versatile enough to put his hand in the dirt and rush the passer as an end.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 25, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Why Tracy
It’s impossible to be sure what Reese is thinking, but…
most of his spear carriers – backups and special teams players – were signed as draftees or undrafted free agents. I believe that is his usual plan to stay within the salary cap, since late draft choices and UDFAs are cheap. However, since they have (usually) four-year contracts, he has to have a steady flow of new young spear carriers to replace those whose contracts are ending (and that’s also why he is reluctant to part with the late-round draft picks that provide them).
In the post-draft interviews, Tracy was compared to Reggie Torbor. If he can develop and become a starter or top backup, as Torbor did, well and good. Otherwise, he will be a special teams performer for four years and then give way to the next crop.
Mickey C
Joseph
He is both my favorite and least favorite. I think he has a shot to be really good and help out the D-Line Immensely. But on the other hand i thought tthey should have taken a MLB like Sean Lee and instead he fell to the worst place of all in Dallas haha. time will tell, but this draft could end up being cornerstones of the Giants Defense for years to come.
Lee? Dillard is just about as good as Lee is.
And we got him in the 4th. Lee and Spikes were huge reaches in the 2nd.
I love the Joseph pick even though I wanted Houston, but my favorite is Petrus
That’s even a little strange to me, being a defensive guy and a former LB, but he brings the “nasty” that seems to be lacking from any of our guys other than Snee.
Overall, my impression of the draft was echoed by Coughlin with the phrase “run the ball, stop the run”. As it unfolded it became obvious that we were adding tough, physical players with high, non-stop motors.
Additionally, this draft reminds me alot of ‘07, when we made alot of under the radar picks and got lackluster grades from all the “experts” until every player made the squad and contributed in a championship season. That may be wishful thinking, but I can’t shake the feeling that we are all going to be very, very happy with the results.
In JR we trust, and with good reason.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I agree
I heard John Mara on the fan last week, and he seemed very happy with Pierre-Paul. And Linval could’ve been a first round pick, so I have to believe they have a good plan this year.
I think this season ultimately comes down to Eli Manning! This year should be the year he receives some MVP considerations.
Linval Joseph
Linval was our best pick… he has the ability of becoming the best DT in the league.
I didn’t expect us to draft these players, but Im satisfied. I think we have the best Defensive Line now, hopefully our Linebacking corps can perform well.
Let's reign in those expecations
Just a little.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
There's no way
A dominant space-eating DT is never considered the best in the league. They do all the hard work. It’s the linebackers behind them that gets the credit for the work they do.
Oh you mean like
Vince Wilfork, Ngata, AH, Jamal williams ( at one point)
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
After thinking about it...
I liked this draft overall. I was fuming after the JPP pick (I wanted Rolando Mclain and since I have a bunch of Raider fans as friends it was like a slap in the face). But after thinking about it I gotta say Reese did a good job.
Kiper has a great point that we can bring JPP in and if he isn’t ready we have depth at the position. In a year or two this guy could be a beast. The rest of the guys I didn’t really know much about, but after reading up I like them. Dillard sounds like a great value pick and could potentially compete for the starting job. Chad Jones I liked. This Linval guy could be a beast. An All defensive draft (besides the punter) from the Giants and thats what we needed to do, patch up the defense.
I can’t wait till training camp and get Ed’s reports on these guys.
My favorite is Chad Jones
I think if you watch some LSU games, on a very good defense it could be argued that this dude was the best player on the field. And of course, he wasn’t even a full time football player. This guy is a hell of an athlete who’s a good pitcher, and a pretty damn good outfielder as well! Outfielder…meaning he’s got natural instincts to track a ball.
I think we found the next Adrian Wilson in Chad Jones aka Dreadlocks of Doom.
JPP is still not my favorite, but like “Hoyadestroya” said above, the Giants can get away with it if this dude isn’t gonna reach his potential.
ANd since they have 3 top flight DE’s already, they can either just store him for depth or most likely..just get creative with him in year one.
The dude is quite possibly….the fastest LB on the team too even at his size. So stand him up as a rush OLB.
I actually am liking the idea that he’s raw, and not a strictly DE type dude. Just throw him out there with the LT motto…chase the QB.
+1 Dreadlock of Doom
Chad Jones reminds me of a bigger KP. This is purely anecdotal but it felt like last year there was nobody on our defense to be scared of. Chad Jones brings the wood as hard as anybody in the draft. Now receivers are gonna have to think twice about laying out over the middle and RB’s are gonna have to watch out a little bit more on screen passes cuz the DDOOM is comin to get you.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
+230
This guy is my favorite (initially)
The secondary was so pathetic last season that something had to be done. I feel like adding Rolle was nice and it will help to solidify things a bit. The other moves seem to be depth but as a whole it didn’t seem as though we were treating this area of the field with the urgency that i thought it needed. It seemed as if we were counting on KP to return, leaving us one visit to Dr. James Andrews away from a repeat of last seasons ineptitude.
Then we Drafted Chad Jones… Now we have improved. Big athletic, Scare the crap outta the slot reciever (crossig pattern at your own risk) help stuff the run when Osi winds up 6yds in the Offenses backfield, dare i say replace Kenny’s impact type of guy. If KP returns at full speed we are now one of the finest defensive backfields in the NFC, if he doesn’t I’m now not as concerned about it as a major weakness.
This guy opens up the defensive playbook for Fewell (who by all reports is excellent with DB’s) to work coverage schemes and blitzes that we did not have the personel for going into the draft. Big enough to fill the MLB role on certain downs and fast enough to roam.
I see this guy as an instant starter. And one who will have a major impact on our overall Defense… In case you couldn’t tell from the gushing I love this pick and will be the guy sporting a Jones jersey soon enough
Read a little further into Jones' interview and you'll realize that he won't be playing at that weight.
He said that the “play and wait” rythm of baseball kept him from burning off the weight he gained from all of the pizza given to the players on his team. He’ll probably drop 10-15 lbs in training camp
Bleeding Blue since 1962
well..
GMen looks like they initially want him to bulk up from what I read in that conference call (M.Ross). They think he can bulk up to 230 and CJ mentioned that he can be at 215-ish, but he also said whatever the GMen wants him to do. I think with him putting on some extra upper body bulk and still staying pretty athletic with all the aerobic stuff, I think he’ll be just around where he is now +- 5 lbs, so 225 is not unreasonable. Remember muscle outweighs fat. I think its pretty early to tell if he will be either strictly 215 or 225 though. They will def. assess him as he does his first full time football training…I have a feeling 225-230 solid (all muscle lose the pizza fat) will be his final mass weight. He can def. be strong and quick still with that weight. Fingers crossed, they keep him healthy..no Mets doctors please! (just kidding)…
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Flynner
Pretty much echoed my thoughts. I love big rangy hard hitting safeties with ballhawking skills. Huge talent and upside in the 3rd round. Fewell is licking his chops already. We should have as good a shot as anyone this year to contend for a title.
umm...Patrick Peterson
He’s one of the best defensive players to ever suit up on purple and gold. Remember that name. He will be a dominant corner. Next best was Kelvin Sheppard or CJ. CJ was a saviour at times.
by Big McLargeHuge on Apr 25, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad
That was a bit trollish. Just came by to give my thoughts on CJ. Y’all got a good one.
by Big McLargeHuge on Apr 25, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
its all good.
I guess I shoulda said that “at times” Chad Jones was the best player on the field. I don’t really think that’s a stretch.
But yea, Peterson’s gonna be a top 10 pick, maybe top 5.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said below, he single handedl won that miss St game for us. I just wish we would have given him the SS spot and stayed with it earlier on. I assume that y’all will use him their, and he’s never played that sot.
by Big McLargeHuge on Apr 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Joseph/Jones/Petrus
i like all these guys….they’re behind a few players at their respective positions.
especially if the giants move Diehl inside, but that doesn’t seem likely this year.
all in all, i like these 3
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
That's not to say I don't like the other guys....
but those 3 are my favorites.
i like the rest of the guys…JPP is huge risk, but whatever, i’m over it.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
And for the Record....I voted for Jones.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Diehl(an obvious team-first guy) says he isn't a good fit for Guard. He said he's too tall
I tend to agree and it makes so much sense with the selection of Petrus, That DD might move to RT. Petrus copuld be just downright nasty.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Take what Diehl said with a grain of salt
Regarding his height.. He doesn’t want to move back to guard because he knows that he’ll get paid less if he does.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
probably that's Diehl's MO
but I think I heard Reese, or someone from the Giants say the same thing about Diehl..that he’s too tall for an OG.
I don’t think he gets as much if he’s the RT either, and if Beatty beats him out..there’s really no way Diehl is not a starter on the Giants OL
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Beatty
is still a year away from starting. Unless he really hit the weights this year.
He ain't that raw...
he could’ve started and been fine last year for us. And they did have a whole offseason….I hope he’s not just drinking latte’s
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Diehl is, as stated above, as much of a team player as anyone on our roster.....
and has shown a desire to do whatever is asked of him, and do it to the best of his ability. While there are alot of tall guards in the league, Diehl does not play as compact as would be desirable amongst top players at the position. I know I sound like a broken record, but watch film of Snee or any other top OG like Hutchinson and you’ll see what I mean.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Diehl did start out at G
And Leonard Davis is turning out pretty well for the Cowboys at G. Lets see how it turns out in camp, but I suspect Diehl moves inside and does well
I think the Petrus pick speaks to where they're going
He’s actually good enough to start right away. But he’s got no versatility. He’s a OG strictly.
Diehl probably is an OT this year. Hopefully its at RT cuz I don’t wanna see him at LT again.
My guess is Beatty-Seubert-O"hara-Snee-Diehl.
But of course it could be Petrus winning that OG spot.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Petrus reads like a
poor mans Snee. I think once they coach this guy up he can start next year. They’ll get to see what he does on Goal line, punt and KP duty and I think he can be a solid backup.
I think that Diehl is a solid OL
He’ll never star, just not that athletic, but if they put him at LG or RT he will play and be good.
Petrus could push Diehl to RT
I think Beatty will be ready, he was close last year.
Plenty of tall guards
Faneca is the same height, Diehl probably prefers space thats all but height is not the matter, I never thought you should move a guy from LT to Guard anyway, RT would be the next best option for sure with those long arms
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
My point is that Diehl does not play very compact, which is a desirable trait for an OG.
He was actually very highly ranked in the league at LT, especially compared to the criticism made against him. He would be the best answer at RT if Beatty beats him out for the spot this year and McKenzie struggles through another spell of injuries.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I think that Diehl plays somewhere on the line
And RT would work for me. Then Petrus could segway next year next to Beatty.
Leaving C for next draft and 2012 season. That is very workable
Jim Cordle
played all 5 positions at OSU during his career.
Him and Landolt may be our backups.
I also heard they shopped Cofield (not Osi) during the draft..so look for the unexpected to be let go this offseason (I’ll throw a bet on McKenzie)
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cofield is safe
they tried trading him but only if they could’ve gotten some good picks for the 2010 draft. Now that the draft is over I really don’t see him getting traded unless they get a high pick for 2011.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hence the surprise of it
I don’t want them to trade him, but I wouldn’t rule it out
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well ...
It’s pretty obvious they are going to let him walk in a year. So, if they can get something for him why not.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
follow everyone’s sentiment – Petrus is just what we needed to inject some of that nastiness into the line…
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good depth
for this year, if all goes well he sees spot duty and the line we have stays healthy enough to take us through the year. Although i like the attitude statement, and would like to sees us utilize his aggression in obvious running situations(goal line stuff)
Well..
I didn’t vote because I like five of the picks..If y’all read my last post yesterday..
1) I picked my wife, because I pissed her off and told her I had her picked in the 5th round
Geez, women are awful sensitive.
2) I am liking this JPP..I read Ralph’s column..I posted yesterday that there was a scary crazy look in that kids eyes and that he seemed to be a player who you would have to hide his helmet from..and lo and behold, Ralph came out with that story..
3) Joseph..He looks like a Solar eclipse.
4) Jones..He is Ed’s favorite even though he won’t admit it.
5) Dillard..Even though I didn’t know much about him..He sounds like he shows up for work everyday.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I gotta say I like the punter too...
I read that Marc Ross says he’s a muscular dude, will work out with teammates. He’ll also go downfield and make a tackle.
After a few of my Eagles fan friends go and show me that DJAX punt return with Feagles flailing at him….yea, a punter that’ll go down and knock some heads is a good thing.
Chad Jones, Phil Dillard are known big hitters. Probably Adrian Tracy and as the punter, Dodge is a big dude…not only is defense the point of emphasis, special teams is as well.
Giants special teams as far as tackling on the KR has been just as atrocious as Tynes’ kickoffs…so at the very least if Tynes or whoever can’t kick touchbacks every time, at the very least they got some horses to go downfield and win the field position game.
He reall is
I saw some one make a joke that he was gonna move to MLB but he isnt far of haha. The guy is big and athletic. He can be used in fakes he can definitely run with the ball anyway and he can kick off. The only thing he dosent do is hold on field goals which shouldn’t be a problem, I think back up QBs should do that anyway that could help if we want to use a fake too
by michaelkhan3 on Apr 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about special teams
I see Jones in particular contributing to kick coverage. A major need.
Sorry guys
I can’t get pumped on a punter but I can concede that we lost the AZ game due to special teams and probably the SD games as well.
well Feagles is gone
its a 7th round pick. I’d think he’s got a better shot of making the squad then anyone else we could’ve drafted there.
Any 7th rounder that makes the team is a plus anyway. This dude may be our punter.
He’s got the ability to boom 70yders too..that in itself is more important then any special teamer we draft in the 7th
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
if you’re gonna get a punter then this is the spot to get it. Plus, I’m sure we lost 2 games due to punting last year. I can’t blame Feagles for missing tackles. :)
If Jackson's about to take one to the house
and Dodge tackles him, I don’t care how crappy he is, he gets my respect.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
but you got to love the power of his legs...
I know he needs to work on his short game accuracy, but with the coaching staff having Feagles all those years, they must have picked up something from him and I hope Feagles gets some special consulting work with the GMen if he does decide to retire – he can def. teach this kid or Mr. 007 some things.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I don't want to sound too philosophical...
But I think JR has put everyone on notice that if you don’t go hard on the field we have someone that will. The Giants are a fairly young team. A five year vet experienced his first bad season last year. We’re talking 4 straight playoff appearances, 2 division championships and one historic Super Bowl victory. Then you start the 2009 season 5-0 and the world says the Giants are the best and will be one of the best for a long time then the bottom falls out.
This draft will motivate or replace players in the trenches that didn’t get it done last year. I think TC and JR fully believe they have the most talented roster in football but maybe these young guys had too much success too early and too often. I don’t want to wax poetic here but training camp is going to be a war this year
Petrus, Dillard, Joseph, Jones and JPP are all “high motor” guys. There is no coincidence that the term “high motor” was used so often by the Giants in selecting these players.
more UDFA
Also Dennis Landolt an OT from Penn State
seems they’re stockpiling some OL’s. Cordle I know can play OC, not sure about the dude from Holy Cross.
'poko from duke. . .
. . .got some good press here in Carolina.
by NYer in a strange land on Apr 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the Landolt pickup
He was 2nd or 3rd team All-American. Should bump out Whimper. Collins is also good, but like Evans last year the numbers are not in his favor.
My favorite pick was Petrus
He’s only my favorite pick because I thought it was the right pick, at the right time, with excellent value. Mitch Petrus is that physical, aggressive, and mauling guard that has as much of a mean streak as anyone. He also works very hard to finish his assignments and can pull very well, which is a plus. Why draft Mike Iupati when you can find a player nearly exactly like him in round 5? Petrus may need some technique work, but he certainly has the strength to be successful in this league.
Linval Joseph is a second, even though I think we could have gone linebacker at that point. There was of a ton of talent there. I suppose they’re happy with Dillard, but I still would have prefered Sean Lee, Angerer, or Butler. It also concerns me that Dillard is 6 feet tall. Will he be engulfed by blockers in the NFL because of his size? That remains to be seen, I guess. I still personally believe we should have drafted a LB in round 2, and took a space-eating DT (like Jeff Owens) in the later rounds. I still love that Joseph pick though, this guy sounds like a monster.
I think Joseph should start right away. He’s not a pass rushing DT. He’s fairly raw in that area. We can use him as a 2-down DT as he develops.
Chad Jones was a good pick. He’s purely a potential guy. We have the right coach in Perry Fewell, since he has an excellent track record in developing safeties. Still would’ve preffered Morgan Burnett, who I felt was the 3rd best safety in this class. But he unfortunately when about 3-5 slots higher to Green Bay. I’m very relieved they did not pick Major Wright. I don’t want a more athletic C.C Brown on this team. Chad Jones has very good potential and I’m looking forward to how he can contribute on special teams as a rookie.
Adrian Tracy — Meh. He has a good motor at least (something Osi needs). Matt Dodge has much better stats than Zoltan, but he’s raw. He can learn from the best in Feagles, if he stays as a coach or a player.
Jason Pierre-Paul remains as my least favorite draft pick. I don’t think he has the intangibles to ever reach his potential. He made plays on pure athleticism in college. JPP is going to need some technique work. He won’t make a significant contribution until his 2nd or 3rd year. Hopefully Justin Tuck can coach JPP up like Stray coached him. Tuck was raw coming out of college too. It seems as if all of our picks are raw. It makes this entire draft class as boom or bust. Barely anyone besides Joseph or Dillard will make an impact on this team in 2011.
Overall, I guess it was worth the wait all these months. Looking forward to the 2011 draft. We’re probably going to need to draft an offensive lineman or RB with our first round pick next year (especially if Brandon Jacobs shows some decline)
On Dillard...
why is there any concern on his size? He’s 6"0 242lbs. Aside from McClain and Spikes, Dillard is basically the next biggest LB. I guess you can say Chaney was the 3rd biggest..but its close and I don’t think its a stretch to say he wasn’t an option
But the dude’s you mentioned, Dillard is basically as tall as them and outweighs them by almost 10lbs.
There’s probably other concerns with him (I still feel “meh” with him)..but I don’t think size or even strength is a concern. He’s basically as big as Pierce ever was and he looks more stout then he was as far as his build.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. The height issue may only come into play in coverage.
As far as getting engulfed by blockers, that is a technique issue, not a size issue. From the small sampling of clips I have seen, he seems to stack and shed as well as any other LB prospect in the draft and alot better than a certain WLB prospect that some guys on here were trying to shove down our throats as a MLB.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
One thing on Dillard...
He is regarded as a really smart player. There must be something about his intangibles that convinced Perry Fewell that he had the ability to QB the defense. He’s still an unknown for now though.
This was a point I tried to make during the melee that was our threads during the heat of the draft.
AP was an outstanding student of the game and field general. Everything I’ve read about this kid says he is from the same mold, yet needing a little polish. They put him on the chalk board during his visit, and if that was enough to have him grade out to our 2nd rated MLB prospect, that’s good enough for me.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I think fans get caught up in the names you constantly hear about.
Dillard wasn’t a sportscenter or nfl live prospect profile but he is well regarded by every draft analyst and considered a possible steal for the Giants.
Hopefully Dillard knows his shit like this guy..

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
GODDAMN IT WHY IS MY EMBED ABILITY DISABLED????????
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/draft_mack.jpg
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I've read he's also got underrated coverage ability too
so while his strength is fighting through blocks and run support, I’ve seen him diagnose screen passes very well too. That’s probably got a lot to do with Big Suh..but well..the Giants DL isn’t supposed to be a pile of crap either, now is it?
Either way, unhearalded Nebraska LB’s have done well recently in the NFL. Look at Barrett Ruud and Stewart Bradley.
Will he be like them? Who knows. But Nebraska LB’s seem to be well coached and have a clue what they’re doing.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
From all the conflicting takes on Dillard it can get a bit confusing
This guy says he’s a run guy, that guy says he’s good in coverage. Once I had a chance to do a little research, he appears to be a much more complete a player than anyone is giving him credit for.
I get a little annoyed by those that want to downgrade a linebacker because of the talent he plays behind. I remember how tough it was to learn how to make plays behind our own “Power Pig”, Biff Washington(NY All-State 77-79). He made it so hard for me and our ILB on shifts that we had to get a jump on which side a potential runner would squeeze through and made that area alot wider than our Mike would have liked. Of course that fed right into my hands on the side, but we’re talking about MLB’s here.
Also, you’ve got to call the alignment to help your DL be successful. That is a rare talent that should not get discounted because of the talent you have to work with.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Joseph and Canty..
can be our version of Suh. Canty just needs to stay healthy and if Joseph battles for some time, wouldn’t that be great for Dillard. I love this guy’s mental/attitude make up, after reading his conference call interview. I’m hoping he gets Goff pumped up too with a healthy dose of competition.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I guess that's true
I guess we all can’t have a linebacker with Rolando McClain’s huge size and build.
Well said Major..
With the Jets suddenly taking Ny/NJ over..All of these analyst jerks which mostly consist of bullshit artists, failed coaches, etc,,Our guys are positioned right where we want them..Under the radar screen..That is how we won those SBs..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I wouldn't mind snagging Faneca..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
As far as JPP..is concerned..read Ralph's column..then come back and tell me you don't like this kid.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hey BobbiBlue
I don’t like a first round pick that can’t start on day one – especially one picked in the top 15. Nobody dislikes his upside – but picking upside is for rounds 3 and down. I really hope he proves me wrong and comes around the corner like Javon Kearse
Well..that is certainly a fair point..I like his attitude..but we'll see what happens..
Parcells probably had him on his list..Bill loves nuts..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Eli didn't start on day one
how has that orked out for us? Nicks didn’t start on day one. By the end of the year he was a key contributor. Don’t take such a short-sighted view of things.
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Homer: Explain how!
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Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ross and KP didn't start either day one
Kiwi ditto.
Other then maybe Cofield, I don’t remember any rooks starting right away from Day one for Coughlin.
So while we’ve only had one Super Bowl here…I think the idea that a first rounder must start is a little over blown. Especially since when they were healthy, our 1st rounders have turned out pretty good.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
Tuck, Beatty or probably most of the damn NFL
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Read the reports
The guys stands up too much and will have problems stopping the run.
Riiiiiiight, that can't be corrected with professional coaching.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice sarcasm
but I’m sure the coaches at East Carolina that taught Chris Johnson are professional.
Maybe if they feed him treats or take his fork away at dinner when he makes a mistake it might drive it home.
I think he could be fine..If he stands up he blocks the Sun..If he falls down..They'll stop play to fix the resulting sinkhole.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Heh,
the coaches at ECU didn’t teach Chris Johnson how to be the fastest dude in the NFL.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What reports?
the whole reason he was drafted in the second round was to be a run stopper. He certainly didn’t rush the passer alot. What are these reports that all of a sudden say he’s not good at the one thing that people valued him at high enough to pick him in the top 50 picks?
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
if anything
reports were that Joseph would be a player sneaking into the end of round one.
To a team that needed a NT, like Arizona who got lucky with Big Dan falling, or a team like San Diego..but they traded up for RB.
Kinda like Beatty who according to some mocks was a first rounder before the draft, Joseph was too, but fell to the Giants in the 2nd.
I think they lucked out with him.
The best thing about these supposed “raw” players, is that their work ethic was praised by Coughlin and the staff, especially Joseph.
So our brand new 6"5 330lbs man mountain is the first dude in and shuts the lights off in the weight room. He likes to hit people too.
Serious? cuz there’s reports that he stands up and tries to use his immense strength, we’re worried about this dude?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
THATS WHAT SHE SAID!
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Williams
is not that damn good, look at all the Nose tackle needy teams that passed him up like MIA, or NE who couldve put him at DE instead he falls into a hybrid system next to some beasts like Campbell and Dockett so they will teach him and make him look better than he truly is………… People dwn JPP but put Williams in the top 10, LOL i knew that wouldnt happen plus if I want a one year wonder I go with JPP, Williams could be next Gholston IMO
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I didnt see that report
Maybe your reading one from when he first got to college
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Joseph
Going into the draft I really wanted Dan Williams. I wanted an enormous lineman eating DT who could free up Alford, Kiwi, Osi, and Tuck to make the play. I knew getting DW was a fantasy, but from all the talk, it sounds like Joseph was not much different. If Joseph can help dominate the line, then I will love this draft whether or not JPP becomes the god of football we’re all expecting him to be.
For anybody concerned about our LB's
What happened to Ray Lewis a few years ago? He was suddenly old and getting exposed, and people wondered if he was finished. Then the Ravensdraft Haloti Ngata and all of a sudden Lewis is making a miraculous return to the Pro Bowl. My point is that EVERY LB, even the best, struggle when the blockers and RBs are breaking clean to the second level. Joseph was my 2nd pick because he could be our Pat Williams or Haloti Ngata, and then everyone will be shocked when Goff, Boley, or Dillard are hitting the RB after 2 yd gains or in the backfield, instead of fighting off blockers after 5 yard gains. I did pick Petrus as my favorite pick though. A big strong guard in the 5th round? Sounds alot like Diehl. He’s worked out pretty well. And Reese used the word “Vicious” twice when describing Petrus. I love the thought of two big maulers in Petrus and Snee bulldozing the LOS. I see this kid starting before the end of the year, Seubert is the ultimate warrior, and he’ll make the ultimate backup at multiple positions. Then watch the Jacobs/Bradshaw “reclamation” project begin.
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Homer: Explain how!
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Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
One thing every report of Petrus said was that he blocks to the second level very well.
The thing is that we used to run to Snee’s side or pull Snee. Now we have two strong, pulling gaurds, now how can defenses tell which side we are running to? Imagine Snee, Petrus and Hedgecock attacking the second level with Jacobs steaming behind them full speed.
Linval Joseph
As someone who yearned for Dan Williams for months, I’m very happy that we got the player who I rated as the 2nd best NT in the draft. He was expected to go late first so to get him mid-2nd round, in spite of all the 3-4 teams that needed an NT, is a major coup. I expect Joseph to play right from the jump and to be a staple in the rotation.
I want to be excited, I really do ...
But a “workout warrior” and a “DT named Joseph” going 1 and 2 … I’ve just seen this movie end badly before. Here’s hoping for a new “director’s cut” this time around.
So the Giants shouldn't draft people
based on their last name? Hahaha.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't draft anyone whos name I can't pronounce..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hope you're better at spelling then me then...
As it would mean I’d only be able to draft guys like Smith, Brown, Green, Black, Jones and Doe.
Hopefully
He can play more of 1st and 2nd down and allow Canty and Tuck to play the outside.
The on 3rd down allow Tuck and Canty to move in with Kiwa, Osi and JPP eventually being on the outside.
I saw Coffield get thrown in the Bronco game and I hope that guy comes back tough.
That surprise me
By the way, good call on Linval Joseph
Thoughts on Chad Jones from an LSU fan
Early in his career, he was used as a nickel back and mostly blitzed the qb. He was highly successful in that role under Pelini. Then he was given way too many roles and positions under co-d coordinators who were abysmal. Nobody could have gotten better under those clowns and CJ just regressed as his role could change from play to play and nobody was on the same page. Then came Chavis and Ron Cooper. CJ looked at his best close to the line, so his role as a FS, which was new for him, was a bit surprising. His first game, he looked bad and missed a lot of tackles. As the season progressed, he looked more comfortable. He single handedly won the Miss St game for us by not biting on the fake draw, jump pass and knocking down the ball, a tremendous play and them stuffing the QB on a sneak. The point, not only has he been a two sport star, but he has never had consistent roles to focus on. 3 years from now, you’ll be happy with that pick.
I am a bit saddened that he’s not pitching for us this year. His slider was nasty! Hard throwing, accurate lefty with a nasty slide. Completely raw. So much potential. It was a blast to watch. He looked scary on the mound and we haven’t replaced him as a set up man. Best of luck. WHO DAT!
McLargedude.
by Big McLargeHuge on Apr 25, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
On Dillard playing behind Suh
More than once it turned out the less heralded guy was pretty important
1978 draft a TE from Notre Dame named Ken MacAfee was supposed to be a huge superstar, supposedly made his average QB look good all the time.
That QB went in the 3rd round, some guy named Montana.
Now I’m not saying we ought to get Dillard’s bust ready for Canton, but no one knows how its going to turn out. (Except of course for Bill Walsh up in heaven, but he gets to eat lunch with guys with inside info)
I like a few picks
Joseph, Jones, Dillard, & Petrus were good, solid selections with Jones being my favorite. I’m still not sold on Pierre-Paul and it’ll be a few years before any of us know. I don’t really get the Tracy pick … why pick a Sintim clone when we don’t even know if Sintim is going to work out yet?
Overall, I’m going to keep wishing that this draft either played out differently or that JR moved up to take McClain. Our D-line should be improved, but I’m still dreaming of the Giants getting a top flight LB. Hopefully the D-line has improved to the point that an average MLB is all the Giants need, since I think average is the best we are looking at.
Moving up in the 1st
to take McClain would’ve been too expensive.
I get the feeling even if McClain fell JR was taking JPP.
Expensive
but I think the Giants can afford it. It’s a very talented team.
by potroast on Apr 25, 2010 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm
It seems like you can afford it till 7-15 starters are 30 or older and you can’t possibly re-tool. Every trade up, with picks punishes you on the back end. And if the guy you trade up for busts or isn’t a star, almost a guarantee of a tough couple of years.
Trading up is a high risk game.
agree
I really don’t think trading up that far was a good idea. I get the feeling they were prepared to do that with JAX, but that didn’t get that far.
At the very least, they gotta do 1st and 2nd to get ahead of Oakland.
Give me JPP, Joseph..and then DIllard in the 4th, any day over one player.
The DT’s and DE’s make the MLB look good, not the other way around. I’d have loved to get Ro of course. But I’d rather not give up most of Jerry Reese’s drafting ability for one player.
Lets see what we got. Cuz if McClain’s a bust…then what?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Zona had the same needs - worse picks - and did better
Maybe it’s me but I much rather would’ve had the AZ first two picks in the draft. Dan Williams and Daryl Washington was better selections….and AZ picked after us.
I understand that you can’t have enough pass rushers but not too many teams had to pass on us last year as our run defense wasn’t that great. Which then made the Safeties play closer to the line ….thus the bad secondary (not totally the problem).
I think JR did what he always in does in the draft and came back with a SOLID 3-7. I think he’s plucked some players that can immediately participate in special teams and rotate in for injuries by late season.
Maybe I’m old school but I think if you’re picking in the first round it has to be someone that can start by the first quarter of the season. I look for JPP to prove me wrong but at that weight he’ll have a hard time stopping the run and that is the problem we had at that position before we drafted.
Drafting for potential is best for rounds 3 and down.
Overall I think it’s a B draft for JR and team.
the thing with the "1st round must be a starter" idea
is that who?
There’s no position that’s a glaring hole anymore in the first round that would start there. MLB would start…but there was none other then Rolando McClain..or else they would’ve drafted someone like Weatherspoon..but he’s not a MLB.
OL, DT, possible too..but not gonna start.
Some say they draft Derrick Morgan instead. Well…since its the same position, I think the dude who’s scouted JPP and probably Morgan too, made the right choice at least at this point in time and in his mind.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying
….that Dan Williams wouldn’t have started on Day 1 and beat out Cofield or Canty? Child Please.
You’re saying if we didn’t fall back a couple of slots to move higher in the 2nd or 3rd (potentially getting Major at Safety) and taking Dan Williams or Odrick might not have been a better idea? We could’ve slide back 8 slots in Rd 1, taken Dan Williams and then possibly high enough to get DT Price or Kindle and that wouldn’t be better then JPP and Joseph? Come on Bradshaw – you’re not known to be that soft on the Giants.
Dan W and Kindle or JPP and Joseph?
No glaring holes on Defense huh?
I agree on Derrick Morgan – I would not have taken him over JPP.
And yeah, I believe if you’re picking that high that we need to the 1st round person should be a starter – if not for talent then the fact he’s getting paid like a starter.
I got no problem with who they picked.
Give me Linval in the 2nd over Dan Williams in the first anyday. That’s value there.
Child please? Cofield and Canty are our starters day one. They’re gonna have to earn it, but they’re the starters.
Why fall back a few spots if that’s their man? I can think they tried to move back, that’s why they took so long to make the pick. But maybe there was no one to dance there. Who knows?
Give me JPP and Joseph over Dan Williams (one year wonder himself) and Sergio Kindle (microfracture surgery…yea right..that’s a smart pick for us) any day.
No glaring needs other then MLB..yea. And even that can get helped by a solid, potentially elite DL..which I’d say is the plan.
The whole DL is a rotation anyway. There’s no real holes on there. Tuck-Cofield-Canty-Osi, that starts. Good bet on that.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright
We’ll agree to disagree. I would not have taken JPP and Joseph over Dan Williams and Kindle but that’s alright.
I can’t believe you would say that we don’t have any holes on OLB because Sintim is unproven and Wilkinson is inconsistent.
I just think if we can stop the run consistently then it will fix the pass.
Kindle fell for many reasons
since the Ravens are stacked, they can put Kindle on IR and let him recover. You really think the Giants can select a dude in teh 2nd round and put him on IR? He’s got some off field stuff too..so they may have crossed him off their draft board.
Dan Williams is a one year wonder. I like him…but he’s really not any better then Joseph. I’d say that if Linval is getting coached by Monte Kiffen at UT…he’s the first rounder and Big Dan is not.
Sintim’s got his competition with Adrian Tracy. He’s gonna have to earn that spot
And JPP as well. They already said they’re gonna use him all over and he may stand up at times as the OLB.
Kinda makes sense too. He’s raw, so you can mold him however you want. He can do what Kiwi did and probably do a better job of it as he’s a better athlete.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Kindle fell
because the Medical report on his knee gave him a round 2 grade, he might need micro frac surgery in about 5-6yrs according to his report
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I think that the real problem in your scenario isn't the players
Williams Kindle vs JPP Joseph
The Giants got at least as good value, but how could Giants know that a trade down nets them??
You trade down to say pick 25 with Ravens and they grab Dez Bryant, but then Cowboys don’t trade up and the 24th pick becomes Dan Williams. You really can’t play the trade down and take this package of players thing, because every trade affects every other pick.
They didn't know
but what they wanted wasn’t there at pick 15 (another safety or MLB). Fall back and pick up some extra picks in 2nd and 3rd to ensure that your DL and OLB is setup.
I agree with your post though – they didn’t know what would happen. I think JPP was always their pick – even over McClain so they were right where they wanted to be.
I’m a little different then most on this board because I believe that OL was something that they needed to attack.
I know this draft was deep but not with what we needed and where we were at in the draft position – which is MLB
I agree on the OL
but I think they had it just right, OL is not the primary concern, everyone pretty much has the idea that it would be at least tertiary or more on the importance scale. But it’s not like they needed 2 or 3 pieces for the OL, they did a formidable job of getting that 1 OL pick. Plus, JR and CO do a good job with later rounds, UDFAs, etc in grooming the OL. I think they already have 2 more UDFA OL guys to test out in pre-season.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I think the timing
Of the JPP pick couldn’t be more opportune. He’ll push Kiwi and Qsi to put forth there best. Any pouting now, gets your ass benched in a heartbeat. If they’re trying to get paid in the upcoming years they no they can’t afford to lose snaps to this kid.
At the same time it’s not essential to our game to get him on the field immediately. He’s got all year to learn (from a motivated Osi) how to rush the passer and guys like Tuck and Kiwi to learn everything else. I expect him on the field in limited 3rd down work to start with, and if he pushes for a starting position he will have earned it over two guys whio will certainly be playing at a high level,
On starting
NFL defense is no longer starter dominated.
Starters on D should include Nickel and Dime backs as well as situational pass rushers.
JPP can be a situational pass rusher day 1. And if he is as advertised could totally change the defense. Like others I am skeptical of his ability, and did not like the pick. But it is unfair to say its a bad pick because he will be low impact.
He can make a huge impact (10 sacks??) just on passing downs.
I didn't say he's a bad pick
but we had some real problems on defense and the Tampa 2 is build on big DT’s and fast LB’s. We could’ve dropped and got Dan Williams and then a fast LB to cover the zones for pass defense.
I’ve said it before – I hope I’m wrong.
Actually Tampa 2 is premised on a penetrating DT
And a big DT to hold down the fort. For Bucs that was Booger MacFarland, at what now
seems like a slim 300 lbs.
And they got a guy like that in the 2nd round who has big upside.
I’m not Anti-Williams, and he was one of the names I was hoping for at 15, the argument against JPP is that you are praying he wasn’t a one year wonder. If it turns out he got lucky last year, the Giants are screwed.
At least he isn’t lazy or a slacker, I’ll give JPP that.
Overall, I'm not excited nor overly depressed about our draft...
I’m glad we have a big body in the middle to stuff the run. I’m glad we added a punter/kickoff man. Chad Jones is my favorite pick, Petrus does what I wanted done, a continuing of the building of the next wave of offensive lineman. Jason Pierre-Prospect isn’t a choice I’d have made, and he was the player linked to the top 15 I lease wanted us to take. Doesn’t matter, we have him, I hope it works out, but I wouldn’t have done it, particularly with the options available at the time. I would have liked McClain, but I wouldn’t have traded up for him, and I don’t fault Reese for letting MLB slip a few rounds, as beyond McClain there really was a large dropoff. Tracy I’m not excited about, nothing against him, just really don’t see him as a particular need, but I’ll hope he explodes into camp and creates a role for himself as I do with Pierre-Prospect. I think we got younger, faster and more athletic. This is good. I think everyone has to remember that AP wasn’t fast, or particularly athletic, though he was SMART. Dillard may end up being as smart while being both faster and more athletic. Not a McClain clone, but a solid upgrade. We’ll see, when everyone hits the field. From the overall #1 pick on down, there are lots of questions until the potential becomes production on the field.
+1
And I’ll add that they seemed to pick tough guys:
JPP-playing with broken fingers and getting a helmet cut off
Joseph – “I just like hitting running backs”
Jones – has a rep as a head hunter
Dillard – big hitter
Petrus – vicious
I think it addresses something that last years team wasn’t violent enough. They didn’t punish people just because they could. That was lost when Phillips went out.
I’ll add Sintim, and Beatty, from what I’ve seen they like to smack people too
don't forget...Dodge
hoping he drop kicks the snot out of Desean Jackson on ST.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Joseph is my favorite
He will help the defense more than any other player the giants drafted on defense this year. He might not have great stats but he will make the other players on defense better and life easier for them…….trust me
We won't know for a while
I remember the days when Francis Peay and Don Davis were considered “good” choices and both proved to be busts in a very short time. These days the management approach the Giants have installed with the advent of George Young and his successors has proven to be equal to the task of this inexact science of trying to figure out how to predict the future.
All the experts say all the clubs made all the right choices….. none talk about injuries, attitude changes with the big bucks, and all the other pitfalls that no one knows about.
I hope JPP Lives up to the hype.
I think Joseph seems to fit a need ….
The rest are just the best the staff came up with and I hope they all make the team and improve our chances of reigning on top again……
No Skins
No ’Boys
No Iggles
Go Giants
Any of you guys know why the Jets released Faneca?
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Due $7+ million bonus I think
They still owe him about $5 or so, but saves a few bucks. Think they wanna go younger too.
I didn’t think he was bad for the Jets last year…then again Thomas Jones released as well so they don’t care about the performance of a vet.
I think the Giants kinda took Derrick Ward for granted…imagine if we released our 1400+ yard rusher and a OG like Faneca?
But they’re the Jets, they can do no wrong right now
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to tell on D Ward
He did very little behind a bad line and not sure what he would’ve done with our OL last year with the injuries.
I just hope we can make it through Training camp and pre-season with AB and BR at 90%
an OG like Faneca
was the worst pass blocking OG in the league. And his run blocking was 3rd rate at best.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 25, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the Jets didn't lead the league in rushing
cuz they had any 3rd rate blockers.
ANd Sanchez being crap, didn’t really help anyone with pass blocking. D-Brick wasn’t all that good a pass blocker this year, but that had a lot to do with Sanchez
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
they had 1 3rd rate blocker
and 2 beasts in Mangold and D-Brick. As well as a solid right side.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 26, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And the fact that they ran it all the time
He wouldve been fine pass blocking and really he is but when you rarely do something its easy to say you are not good at it.
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