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Jerry Reese assesses the Giants' draft

Here is the full text of New York Giants General Manager Jerry Reese talking about the seven picks the team made in the just-concluded 2010 NFL Draft.

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I'll just run through the list with you really quick.

  • Jason Pierre-Paul, we talked about him. We think he can be a dynamic defensive end for us. Huge upside and we think he can be a really good player.
  • Linval Joseph is a big, powerful, point of attack defensive tackle. He gives us a big anchor inside and we talked about him.
  • I think Marc Ross talked to you guys about Chad Jones. Athletic, big safety who gives us some depth at the safety position. He has some special teams ability. We think he has a big upside as well.
  • The new guy is Phillip Dillard, middle linebacker from Nebraska. Phillip is a rugged inside linebacker, tough, instinctive, smart, hard-hitting inside middle linebacker. We had him targeted for a while and we are happy he was still up there in the fourth round for us. We talked about him a little bit earlier but there were some more guys up there who we thought had the value that, at the time, was better. So, we rolled the dice and we came out with the guy we wanted at middle linebacker. We feel like he can come in and start competing right away for that job with some of the guys we already have.
  • Mitch Petrus is the guard from Arkansas: tough, rugged, in-your-face guard. That's what this guy is. He is hard-nosed, aggressive. He can pull and do all the things we ask our guards to do. This guy has a vicious nature about him, and we like his skill set for what we do with our guards.
  • Adrian Tracy is from William & Mary, we are going to play him at outside linebacker on the strong side. He's a projection. He was a defensive end and he had a bunch of sacks out there. We worked him out as a SAM linebacker and we think he can project to a SAM. He is a really good athlete, really smart kid and big kid. We think he has upside to project to a SAM linebacker and give us some depth at that position as well.
  • The last guy we just drafted was Matt Dodge, a punter from East Carolina. Big legged, powerful, I mean this guy can hit some moon shots. There are some inconsistencies which most young punters have that we feel like he can come in and our special teams coaches can get him on the right track. I think he can be a good punter for us. He will be in the mix competing for that job, and I think the first question that you guys will have is that ‘you guys just signed Feagles.' Jeff's really not sure, he had a conversation with Tom last week I believe it was, and he's not sure that physically he is going to be able to do it. He has been working out really hard in the offseason trying to get himself ready to go because I think in his mind he really wants to do it but I don't think he's sure that his body can do it. We are trying to protect ourselves in that respect. We will address that middle of next week sometime, so we will see which way that's going to go. I'm open for questions.

Q: Did something happen with Jeff, like a setback or something?

A: Well, he had a conversation with Tom, and you can speak to Tom about the conversation. Physically, he wasn't sure that he would be able to give us what we need at that position. We're trying to protect ourselves in that respect. We have Jy Bond, who is the Aussie kicker, who we have in as well. We will try to grow two guys, and if Jeff is not in the mix, we will try to groom these guys to get us ready for our season. I think, New Orleans I think, had a young punter punting for them so it can be done. We need to get going right away with these guys, that's very important to me. We need to get going right away.

Q: When you say "by next week" is Jeff going to make a decision next week?

A: Hopefully he will make a decision by then. Hopefully Jeff will come in and let us know one way or another what is going to happen. I think he'll make a decision by then.

Q: How close were you to taking Dillard in the third round?

A: Well, we considered him but there are a couple of guys we considered in that spot. We talked about him, so we were close enough to talk about him.

Q: Was it ultimately because you liked Jones more or you thought Dillard would drop into the next round?

A: Probably a combination of both of what you just said there. Probably a combination of both of that. We try to weigh what can happen and who needs what. It's kind of crazy what you try and do in there but it's a combination of everything you said.

Q: Dillard's not the biggest linebacker, but is he big side-to-side?

A: Well yeah, he's rangy and he's smart. He can play in coverage. He is 6 foot 245 pounds. He's not tall but he's 245 pounds so right now he is probably the biggest linebacker on the team besides Sintim, just trying to think of our linebackers here. Maybe Jon Goff, he's probably a little bit bigger. Heavier, I should say.

Q: I heard he played weakside...

A: He played in the middle. Middle linebacker.

Q: I thought he started at weakside...

A: He might have played some weakside but most of the time, he played in the middle.

Q: What makes you think this fourth rounder can come in and compete for the starting job as a rookie?

A: Well, we are going to put him in there and give him a chance with the rest of the guys. That's what makes me think that. He's going to have to earn the job just like the other guys we have here. We have some unproven guys so we are going to throw them all in the till and see who gives us the best shot to win games.

Q: Did you talk to the Pelini's and his linebacker coach? Did he give you some type of advice or frame of reference?

A: We talk to all of their coaches. Our scouts have good relationships and they go in there in the fall all the time. They endorsed this guy and they think he is going to be a really good player. We brought him in for one of the visits we had with them and our linebackers coach really liked on the board what he saw and brought to the table. He thought that he could be a smart, tough inside linebacker that we've been looking for, and we'll see.

Q: He butted heads with some of the staff there, do you have concerns about that?

A: Well, we researched all that as well. Again, that happens sometimes with players and staffs, and he did everything to get back in their good graces. They endorse him to the fullest right now, so we don't have any problems with that.

Q: At middle linebacker, obviously Goff and you mentioned Wilkinson, Blackburn; are any other guys in the mix like Kehl, Boley or Sintim?

A: All of our guys are in the mix as far as I'm concerned. We just look for the best combination of guys. We think Sintim is a SAM linebacker and the kid we just drafted is a SAM linebacker. We think Wilkinson could do some things in the middle because he has played there before. Phillip Dillard, he's in the middle. Of course Goff, Chase can play all three, Mike on the WILL, Kehl will probably be used on the WILL but he can probably play some middle as well so everyone is in the mix as far as I'm concerned. We just want three linebackers on the field that can help us win a game.

Q: Do you think this group is it for the competition in training camp or might you add another one in between now and then?

A: I wouldn't count that out that we might add somebody else to the mix. I wouldn't discount that.

Q: Any thought about trading for Morrison?

A: Isn't Morrison signed on somebody's team right now? I'm not going to talk about someone else's player.

Q: Was there any talk of trading for anybody?

A: There is always talk of trading and drafting. There is always some talk about that still. Always.

Q: With Dodge, can he kick off, too?

A: Dodge can kick off, but I wouldn't call him a kickoff guy now. Our coaches think he can get better as a kickoff guy so we end up having some versatility in that way. He is not a holder though, so that's something he would have to learn. He does not hold for his college team. He does have some experience as a kickoff man.

Q: If you lose Jeff, who are your holder options?

A: I think we have some options between the quarterbacks. Bomar and Sorgi, yes. Those two guys would probably be the holders.

Q: With Tracy, wondering if he adjusted well to linebacker drills, did you see that?

A: Yeah, that's one of the things that was, because they are guys who are projections. He had his hand on the ground most of the time when he was at school there. At his workout, there were a lot of people at his workout. One of our scouts was there and he really worked out well at his workout as a linebacker. The movement skills that you have to have at that position. He did a good job and we think he can project. If you think back, he kind of has a body type like Reggie Torbor, who we had here for a few years back. We think he is a little bit better athlete than Reggie Torbor was. Reggie was a defensive end at Auburn, too.

Q: What do you think and/or hope you've accomplished with this draft?

A: Well, we think we have drafted good players to add to our team. We hope to accomplish that these guys, with our first two or three picks, that you can get some contributions from them right away. Hopefully, you might get a starter or two out of those picks. We think we have added some depth to this team, number one. We have some athletes who can help us on special teams. We have some versatile people. So, we think we have helped our defense. Obviously, we have drafted a lot of defensive guys. Offensively, we think that the guard can go in and compete right away because he has a vicious nature about him. He wants to come in and compete right away. He's a strong, strong kid. We think we have improved defensively, and the guard will create competition at the guard spot.

Q: How is the field of undrafted free agents?

A: Really, we're up there doing that right now. Obviously, the draft is still going on but we are getting our ducks in a row to try and target some undrafted free agents. We think there are some good players that we can target as free agents and get some bodies in here to look at.

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Dillard was their target in the third…but fell to the 4th and we still got em.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to be negative, but...

Couldn’t help but notice the “Hopefully, you might get a starter or two out of those pics.” Referring to the first 3 picks. I assumed the rule of thumb was at least your first rounder should be a projected starter, not your starting project.

Sorry, I’ve cooled down a little, but I’m still kinda down on our first pick and the feeling of an overall “project” draft. I’ll be rooting them on and praying I’m wrong. Prove me wrong guys!

"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson

by GiantSunDevil on Apr 24, 2010 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

He's just telling the truth

A lot of 1st rounders don’t even end up being starters. 1 starter among 3 early picks is pretty decent, better than most teams get, most years.

This kind of draft just goes to show that the front office is confident that we have the nucleus for a Super Bowl team, and that an extra year of practice for the offense, a new defensive scheme, and time to heal will get us back to the Giants we’ve come to expect.

by Charles L on Apr 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

well....

he’s talking about as a rookie in 2010. The guys in the first round, there were no players to fit the hole on the roster.

McClain’s the only one.

C’mon now…WHO got taken behind JPP that would’ve started for the Giants in round one? An OL? Doubt it.

Weatherspoon would be a project at MLB too…and who knows, they probably crossed him off their board cuz of his personality..like was rumored a few teams would.

And first round pick who got chosen from #15 and on, would not be a starter for the Giants. None of them.

Joseph might start..who knows. Jones too. Hell..maybe JPP makes heads roll in camp and starts?

JPP’s raw cuz he’s unknown. Maybe he earns a starting spot? He’s the best athlete along our DL no problem….so maybe they just say fk it…start em.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt any of them contribute much in 2010

D-line players usually improve over several years. Other than the Kevin Williamses and Mark Andersons of the world. Hopefully we got a Kevin Williams, not a flash-in-the-pan…

But I’ll gladly take a career path like Strahan’s. Took 4 years to figure it out, now we’re just waiting for HOF eligibility. Immediate contribution isn’t that big a deal, in my book. As long as he figures out how to handle the pros eventually.

by Charles L on Apr 24, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup.

considering who’s on this team, none of these guys should be starting. So if they are, something’s wrong here

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point exactly

No one was worth it, so trade back. I’d love to hear, which I know won’t happen, but what we were offered for #15. And you know we were listening to offers, we took almost all our allotted time. If someone was going to give us say a 20-25 and 2 3rd rounders, like Philly gave up, I’d be even more pissed.

I can’t say it enough, but I’m cheering for them. I hope I am wrong. If nothing else, on paper, we have enough depth on the D-Line to have a potent rotation, a-la 2007. Perhaps we’ll be using that to cover up our LB’s instead of our secondary, as in 07.

"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson

by GiantSunDevil on Apr 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saying....

but the last time I had the feeling that a Giants draft class was “meh” ( and yea, kinda how I feel..tho I’m excited about the potential of all these dudes) was 2007.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not

a flashy or sexy draft, because they drafted no skill players…I agree, doesn’t mean it can’t be a productive draft. In their minds, they have 5 tailbacks on the roster, so they probably address that with an UDFA or two. I heard Reese mention something about
“a kicker from New Orleans”, but that’s all he said, anybody know who he was talking about?

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was saying the Saints had a rookie kicker (or punter? Or both?)

kicking for them. They won the Super Bowl.

So basically a rookie punter or kicker is not gonna kill you

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here ya go Jerry

 Put this on your wall and give the writer a ring when JPP is a pass rushing MONSTER! LOL
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-best-and-worst-of-the-2010-draft?urn=nfl,236463

by ronjohnson on Apr 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

page not found

-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.

by NetLogic on Apr 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, the link is too long and broke

 But the guy rates JPP the second biggest reach after Tebow.

by ronjohnson on Apr 24, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

its funny cuz they say that Tyson Alualu was a full round below where the Jags took him

..yet, the Jags only had that #10 overall in the first 2 rounds….so they weren’t getting him in the 2nd.

JPP goes at #16 if the Giants don’t take him.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta copy and paste it

SBN doesn’t like big links, so the better thing would have been to do this

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that assessment of JPP correct?

If so we may have simply traded one pure pass rusher for another, less experienced one?

by giant fan since 57 on Apr 25, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows?

Honestly, every one of these picks from every team could be a bust. Or the opposite could happen.

We won’t know until game time.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 25, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

we traded a pure pass rusher?

who..when

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 26, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just an odd draft

4th and 5th round picks have as good or better chance of seeing playing time as JPP, although I’m guessing he’ll get in on some rush packages.

God, I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t have any excitement about what transpired over the last couple days. But, until proven otherwise, I guess, altogether now….“in Reese we trust”

by NorthwestFan on Apr 24, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont hesitate to grade this draft a solid........

C. I’m glad some people still dont like the JPP pick. The fact is if the Eagles would have drafted him at 13 instead of Graham they would be a laughing stock of the BBV community. I like Joseph, Jones, and Petrus. JPP is a project and will probably have as much impact next year as Barden did last year. He will dress more but will have as much production. Maybe he develops but I would have much rather had Morgan at 15.

by Giants56 on Apr 24, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

jpp

could be a monster. jpp could be a monster. jpp could be a monster. sorry to repeat myself, but the sky is not falling here people. who here has ever talked, or even been in the same room with jpp? who here has orchestrated a successful nfl draft? the giants are one of the best organizations in football. trust that they know what they are doing, and are accumulating quality people/athletes. good coaching will put them in place to win…

by Aceholioo on Apr 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Reese does his HW

whether or not we like the pick..doesn’t matter.

Gene Smith the Jags GM said it best…“This ain’t a popularity contest…I don’t give a damn about perception….if you can’t trust your ability to choose talent, you don’t belong in this buisness”.

Doesn’t matter that WE think JPP’s a project. The people who matter did their HW and this is their man.

He didn’t like Derrick Morgan over JPP…so a bunch of internet scouts don’t friggin matter.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously JR doesnt care about our opionions.

But he certainly isnt perfect. I’m just not a homer, I’m not going to change my opinion on something just because my team now drafted him. I hope I’m wrong and I would be more than willing to admit it. I’m not going to join the “Reese can do no wrong” club which you are apparently the presisent of.

by Giants56 on Apr 24, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

am I?

I said JR is due for a bad first rounder and JPP may point to that, since he’s boom or bust.

But there’s nothing we did that mattered into this decision. Nothing. From what I gathered..yea, I’d take Morgan, Bulaga or maybe even Pouncey or Dan Williams there.

But I looked at scouting reports and internet videos, and usually some things I saw when these guys played.

Reese was actually there. They didn’t blindly make a pick on a dart board.

Can he do no wrong? Well…he didn’t do any wrong just yet.

You can go head with your a opinion…but don’t put words where I didn’t say them.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You certainly seemed to change your opinion

On the JPP pick awfully quick. What changed your mind? I’m going to say blind faith in JR.

by Giants56 on Apr 24, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well..I think we all kinda 'backflipped' on JPP..Doesn't mean he'll be here in Sept.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobbi

He may be a project or a bit of a reach, and I’m still doing my backflips over
the selection, but you don’t draft a palyer at #15, not to be here the opening day of the season. He will most definitely be here, I think they get more out of Joseph, " the human pole" they called him, in the first year. They need a run stuffer, somebody to push the damn pile backwards.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still

Not doing my backflips, he said…

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really didn't flip on him all that much

all it is, is that wasn’t my pick. It was the pick I didn’t want. So that’s why I didn’t like it to start.

But the guy’s a Giant. So I’m gonna look at the positives. The negatives are still there. Am I going with JR on this one? Why the hell not?

Who the hell am I to argue with him? I probably did less the 1% of the work him and staff put in for this pick.

Most would say if they choose a DE, they choose Morgan..or maybe even Jerry Hughes.

Well..you don’t think he looked at them? I myself even looked at them…so I’m sure someone who’s doing this in “real life” did that too.

But the guy is a Giant. The only thing wrong with a single Jerry Reese pick in the past has been injury…that’s really it.

The only way JPP can truly be a bust is if he is 100% and sucks. So hopefully the guy is 100%…and shows why Reese picked him.

But I’ll trust his judgement for choosing JPP over Morgan and the others. Simply for the fact he’s done more work on it.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Tennessee Titans who were picking right behind us would have taken Pierre-Paul over Derrick Morgan.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

its kinda obvious isn;’t it? JPP is called the Freak 2. Well..Fisher and the Tits chose the Freak in the first place. Made all the sense in the world for them.

….damn I hope JPP is Jevon Kearse.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said what?

“Fisher and the Tits”, hope there’s more to that story…

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder.

There’s that whole “he’s the next Freak” line of thinking, but then Tennesee let Kearse go to PHI in free agency, so maybe they figured “we know how that movie turns out” even if he is just as good. Remember, Kearse with that type of athletic body had trouble staying healthy.

by Shofner85 on Apr 25, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's just funny

this is not what we as Giant fans are used to. We have always played it safe, Low risk high return guys. To throw it all out there on the risky proposition is something none of us expected. So it may take sometime before people like this pick… But the first time he runs down Romo from the backside and buries his ass 3 inches deep in the brand new turf of -——— Stadium, I think we’ll all see what the front office sees in this kid

by Flynner on Apr 24, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you make me angry!

.. undercover sheagle, cowgirl, foreskin fan…smh

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 26, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember

These same internet scouts were killing Houston when they picked Mario Williams over Reggie Bush . So they don’t know squat , They just guessing like us .

by nickyb4898 on Apr 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a tad harsh G..I think JR and Co. did about as good as the rest..no worse..

Tuna didn’t do a bad job either..not much being said about Miami..I think they did great

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Dont get me wrong I think

Joseph, Petrus, and Jones were good picks and will all eventually be qulaity players. I dont like Dillard, I think he is another career backup/depth guy at best. And obviously you know that I’m not a fan of JPP. I’m praying he proves me 110% wrong and turns into a BEAST….but I wont hold my breath

by Giants56 on Apr 24, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does

Petrus have a decent chance at being a starter in the next year or so or is he just depth?

by #56 4life on Apr 24, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

well they don't really have a hole at guard...

Seubert is still fine I think.

Or maybe not? We’ll see. I think there’s a chance, but Petrus will really have to be a good player that means, cuz Seubert’s pretty good if he’s healthy.

It really matters on Diehl. I do think this means they feel Diehl is an OT. So Diehl will either be at LT or RT I think.

Maybe its Beatty-Petrus-O"Hara-Snee-Diehl?

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

that would leave us Mckenzie and Seubert as our backups, which i dont think would be to bad

by #56 4life on Apr 24, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup.

I kinda like Seubert as a backup anyway, they say he can be an OC so a backup C is a good thing for O’Hara

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

i dont believe that we had a clear cut center after O hara anyways

by #56 4life on Apr 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s the best line they can put on the field. Beatty is a natural left tackle and Diehl is a very good tackle who stuggles against speed rushers which hed never see on the right side.So I’d flip them and let Petrus compete with Seubert ( who’s ok but no longer a plus starter ) …

Beatty-Petrus-Ohara-Snee-Diehl is the best combination short and long term. Diehl has already started on ever position on the line except center.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Seubert will start

If O’Hara gets hurt he will move to C and Petrus to G. I am hoping Beatty gets the LT job and Diehl moves to RT I think that could improve 2 spots. I dont think they will keep Mckenzie as a backup unless he takes a pay cut though

by Giants56 on Apr 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not on the OL needs help bandwagon..These guys are not old and worn out..Beatty is going to play more

but shit lets face it if they open a hole the runner has to hit it..If you ever ran a ball you only have a split second..We had nobody in the backfield with the pedals to get to the holes in time..Hopefully they get and stay healthy..The OL did a hell of a great job protecting Eli..and they opened holes that our crippled RBs couldn’t get to..Does that give our OL the death sentence?..No fucking way..Their job is to open a hole and not run the ball for them..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli got sacked more than usual, the backs didn’t produce a 1000 yd rusher. I mean we were still a top 10 team in rushing last year but if you want Jacobs to be the guy and obviously they do then you need guys who can open holes and get a push in the run game. Jacobs still breaks tackles better than most backs but no RB is gonna break a tackle if he gets hit in the backfield no matter who it is.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well..my point was that we had crippled backs trying to hit holes that don't last forever..

Eli got sacked some, not alot..because he was fighting a heel injury..Basically the whole team was a mash unit..except the OL. I don’t blame the OL..Who was the healthiest squad on the team??..The OL was that is who was the healthiest group on the damn team..What are we busting their balls about?

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right the backs weren’t healthy but the holes weren’t exactly gaping either. I think they can keep the line intact this year and be successful but they’re getting up there in age. Kareem McKenzie is a major injury risk and Diehl is playing out of position. He’s a solid LT but Beatty could be a very good one. He has the physical skills and he was solid on the right side for McKenzie. If you start them both then you’re playing two guys on your line out of position but if you flip them than you’ve solved two problems … without really altering your lineup.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

won’t happen in the first year, simply because you don’t want a first year starter (Beatty) AND a rookie playing side by side..If you recall, what the Jets did, had Ferguson at LT, but Mangold was at center, too much with line signals, calls, to play youngsters side by side.
I believe that Petrus, and Seubert will be backups, Beatty at LT, and move Diehl back to where is better suited at LG…The should wave bye bye to Koets and probably Whimper too.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only time will tell with these kids..all of them, well some of them..the majority will be gone..

Same as every year..Nothing new about this draft except for the format it was presented in..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The idea that you should get a starter in the early rounds is why so many players drafted early fail.No rookie no matter how talented or experienced is ready to start in the NFL. That’s why the failure rate for players is so high. The good GMs like Jerry Reese have foresight and pick the best player on their board who fit their long term goals. Steve Smith got drafted in the second when Burress/Toomer were starters two years later he’s a 1x Pro Bowler and starter. Justin Tuck was a 3rd round pick the team already had Osi Umenyiora and Michael Strahan. Detect the pattern ?

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 7:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

True but they also try to fill huge holes..

That is why this Joseph pick has me thinking they are really hoping he can contribute quickly..I also think they feel the same about this Dillard kid..
i’ll be honest I had no clue about either of them, until you guys filled me in..I also think that Chad Jones is a keeper..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do fill holes … just not only for this year.

JPP is going to eventually replace kiwi or osi. The Giants can only keep one of them and my guess is that the Giants will trade Umenyiora but not before he plays this year and re-establishes his value. If he comes back and rounds back into form then Kiwanuka leaves as a free agent Pierre-Paul assumes his spot in the rotation and Osi keeps the seat warm until JPP is ready to assume a starting role.

Chad Jones is going to replace Deon Grant whos on a one year deal and I expect him to beat out Michael Johnson for PT this year.

Linval Johnson could start this year but he could also be a replacement for Cofield whos on a one year deal and Bernard whos washed up.

Petrus will replace Seubert either this year or next … just going on what i’ve read hes a younger more physical not to mention physically gifted guard who fits what the Giants need and want which is to turn a very good finesse line into a more physical unit.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Johnson?

He’s still around?

With Rolle, Phillips, Deon, and Jones, I don’t want to see him anymore. We have 4 quality safeties that can all play the pass pretty well.
Let’s just say, I don’t think we have to worry if Phillips goes down again.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 24, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

MJ

has one bad year and your ready to off him?
im high on jones too, but to say he’s better than MJ right now is blasphemy

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 26, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

MJ was as big of a reason our secondary stank

as CC. (Ok not as much, but still a big reason) The case against keeping him is that I doubt we keep 5 safeties, especially since we only had 3 last year. We should up it to four. That means Phillips, Rolle, Grant, and Jones.

MJ is the odd man out. While Jones isn’t better now, and may not even be, he’s the new draft pick with the upside that’s going to get a spot.

Of course this is all conjecture, but I feel good about it.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 26, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants also don’t have too many huge holes … honestly I dont think they have any. The safety depth was really the major issues on defense. I think people who are used to seeing AP in the middle feel like thats a major hole but I don’t their are plenty of good teams who have two down linebackers at the Mike position. I also believe in the Jimmy Johnson school of thought that says defensive lineman are always more valuable than LBs …especially in the 4-3. That’s why you have four lineman on the field in stead of 4 LBs. I mean if you can get a star than you get him but there weren’t any not even McClain … who isn’t quite in the Patrick Willis class.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The

Jets think a kid from Div 1-AA is going to start at LG now? Hey, he is not playing against UNH anymore, that is big big step up, not like a Bulaga or Iupati, real Division 1 football?

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Nate Collins is a Giant! Clint Sintim’s old room mate.

I’m happy as heck. Nate Collins is a huge steal

by Nfpdawg on Apr 24, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

is he

good enough to start? or at least get rotated in a lot because it seems there is no such thing as a starting D-lineman with the giants

by #56 4life on Apr 24, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody is guaranteed a starting spot on a team that gives up 400 pts

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well

even before our defense went way downhill, the giatns did a lot of rotating with their d-line and thats what i meant when i said that noboby was really a starter

by #56 4life on Apr 24, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a good pick

I wanted him in the 7th round. One of the late round gems I wanted to take. There’s not much negatives to his game besides the fact he only has one year of experience

by Nfpdawg on Apr 24, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a lot more polished than JPP

A heck of a lot more polished and has much better technique. He was coached very well by Al Groh (who also sent chris cook in the second round to the vikings, and clint sintim the year before. ill throw in chris long in the first round to the rams a couple of years back as well)

by Nfpdawg on Apr 24, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, no rest for the weary..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love Faneca

He would be great for 2 years and a mentor to Petrus.

by Giants56 on Apr 24, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I read they signed a CB from Duke too.

Nate Collins is like that DE/DT from Penn State last year. Forgot his name, but they cut him

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt this guy makes the team too, unless they cut Joseph or JPP

I mean they got Canty, Cofield Bernard and Alford..and then Joseph at DT. JPP, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi and Tolly at DE.

Where does he fit? Who knows?

I’d say Bernard’s gone. Maybe Tollefson too? Other then that..really can’t see a spot for him unless he’s really that good.

Hopefulyl they put him on the practice squad?

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tollefson is as good as gone. He signed his tender so if he’s cut the Giants don’t owe him anything and Bernard will probably get invited to camp and then get cut when they don’t need anymore bodies.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Camp Fodder

We don’t need to cut down until a long time from now.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never know

Romo went undrafted.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Apr 24, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they take micah johnson

He’s a beast. too much talent to not make a roster, he can at least contribute on special teams. He would’ve been a 2nd/3rd pick if he declared a year early. That 4.9 he ran pushed him back (he’s been bothered by a bum ankle. he claims he ran a 4.9 in the 9th grade)

by Nfpdawg on Apr 24, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

he's a UFA, right?

yeh, I agree…I liked him at first in the mid-rounds but with him dropping, I was hoping a later round pick…
I’m on the fence with Adrian Tracy (another DE to SAM type projection)…
don’t mind the Dodge pick (prob. needed)…
but if Micah is a UFA, hope we pick him up to see what he has.

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Apr 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

just looked it up

apparently he’s still available (UFA)…

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Apr 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Dallas..I hope Jerry wasn't picking his nose right before shaking his hand..poor kid

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

nah

he probably just got done drinking drinking somebodies blood. I swear that dude is a vampire if i’ve ever seen one

by #56 4life on Apr 24, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another guy that flunks my pronunciation test..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id guess its pronounced AY-AHN-GA Oak-Po-ko-Wu-ruk

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

they better hope this guy doesn’t make the team. Or at least the guy announcing the games don’t.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

or come up with a nickname. The Giants seem to love these guys with the really long names on the back of their jerseys … Kiwanuka. Umenyiora Okpokowuruk … the all pronunciation team.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they said he’s the first dude with a hyphenated last name in a long time to play for the giants

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

free the guy your thinkin bout from last season is maurice evans, he got plucked from our practice squad by tampa i believe

by nhbrsx on Apr 24, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

that's it.

him and Collins seem like clones.

Hopefully Collins sticks. I think he’s a better athlete then Evans as well.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the selection of Pierre-Paul at #15. Its the perfect blend of need and value … on pure talent he’s a top 10 pick. The only knock on him is his inexperience and he got picked by a team that doesn’t need him to play a major role till 2011 till then he competes on a team with 3 starting caliber DE’s. He’ll also play on passing downs and special teams.

Linval Joseph might be the only player to start this year based on his talent and the fact that he’s the only nose tackle on the team. I see a lot of “fans” on here refering to him as a big fat slob but he’s a good athlete for a 320 lb man. He’s another need/value pick.

Chad Jones is a talented guy. He’s got linebacker size and played for a great program. Can play either safety position. He has good hands and speed. He also hits like a mack truck. I think he’ll be a gunner on the punt team and I think he’ll knock at least 1 person out on kicking teams. If he doesn’t beat out Deon Grant for the #3 S spot then he’ll definitely be in the rotation in 2011.I also think with his size hed be an asset as the nickel backer alongside Boley.

Dillard is a Mike backer and was a leader on a very good Nebraska D. He’s gonna play special teams and compete with Goff. He’s short but he’s stocky and fast.I didn’t think any other Mike backers in the draft Wauranted a pick higher than the 3rd round.

Petrus fit a need and the Giants have always done a good job taking lineman in the later rounds.

I don’t know too much about the William and Mary kid or the punter. But I don’t really care either way because the Giants already have enough talent to contend for a Super Bowl So I understand when Reese drafts players tha fit over the next few years insead of reaching for players just t fill a need. The draft is an inexact science and the sexy pick or big name are seldom the right pick. The fans might not understand it but we don’t run the team he does and he’s down a great job so far.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Reese did a good but not great job in this years draft

The punter he drafted is the best in this years draft…….his stats…..73 yards long and 45 yards average a game are the best out of the punters in the draft this year and his long was also 73 yards too. I think if jeff retires he’s our punter for this year and the future…….i was shock to learn that dillard has a chance to start and not be a backup and joseph will start as our dt this year and in the future. Those 3 are the only ones that have a chance of starting……the rest will be on special teams to help and jpp on 3rd down pass plays.

by Jermal on Apr 24, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the best word to hear on Dillard

given the way the board fell, its not a stretch to say that he was their MLB target once McClain was gone.

And he didn’t reach for him either.

Given that its a need, is it a stretch to say Reese could’ve drafted Dillard in the 2nd round?? Of course not, given all the “reaches” going on tonight, I’d say Reese drafting Dillard in round 2 would fall in line with the rest of the picks.

But he waited till the 4th.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 24, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worry

that dillard is Blackburn 2.0

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 26, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I was a betting man..

I’d take bets that every fan on every blog is pissed off at their picks..We are a family (burp) letus set the standard here at BBV..All of you desiring to place Ed and CJ and that guy Jim who lives right down the road from me in ’Effigay

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Ooops..Effigy?..ah screw it..We are the class of the league here..Let us not disparage each other..

Let them do that..ah screw you guys..forget it..lol..Thought I had a sermon there for a second but forgot the basket..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

hear ye

hear ye

- Mohamed Sanu: A Giant in Two Years-

by RealLT on Apr 25, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sawnk = punter
Dodge = kickoff specialist
Tynes = kicker.

I don’t like tynes either, but i admire that he’s clutch.

by Nfpdawg on Apr 24, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

He wouldn’t need to be clutch if he was nailing from 20 yds … he cost us last year but maybe after a year of using the same mechanics he’ll be good.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 24, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

about Jy ? Bond too that Aussie guy

- Mohamed Sanu: A Giant in Two Years-

by RealLT on Apr 25, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

say Tynes cost us, 28-32 didn’t cost us, he missed a couple chippies, didn’t cost us games.
Just don’t want him to kickoff anymore

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need

To reverse Swank & Dodge.I just had a Three Stooges flashback… Duck, Dodge, Hide

by Great Gatsby on Apr 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

uhh I think it would be the opposite

Swank – kickoff
Dodge – punter
Tynes – kicker

by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pray to jeebus we’re not gonna use three roster spots on kickers next year.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to miss feagles if and when he retires

Feagles was really good at punting the ball inside 20 yards but he was bad at punting it when the giants were back up…….his leg is gone……he can’t kick it deep any more……i’m glad the giants drafted dodge…..great pick up

by Jermal on Apr 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

here's the most updated UFA list for the GMEN

Giants
Dominic Randolph, QB, Holy Cross
Ayanga Okpokowuruk, DE, Duke
Nate Collins, DL, Virginia
Duke Calhoun, WR, Memphis
Jim Cordle, OL, Ohio State
Leon Wright, CB, Duke

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Apr 24, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Well boys I am officially drafted out...

I would say stick a fork in me, I’m done..but shit that would hurt..So I’ll wait until mini camp.which will give s much to talk about..My focus right at the moment is to remember my wifes name

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Already pissed her off,,I told her I had her picked in the 5th round.

Don’t say that !!

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

drafting is as much about creating a team as picking individuals

If you play on the Giants D, doesn’t matter if you are an end, a tackle, a DB, a linebacker, you have all been put on notice that if you give up like you did last year, there is a very hungry kid right on your tail ready to take your job.
That is all we really need for 2010, make the guys we already have on defense play for their jobs with fear in the back of their minds. No more taking plays off. No more taking games off. Not this year, not next year. Because we are grooming your replacement. And we have a whole group of young kids just waiting for you to start taking plays off

by Spider Lockhart on Apr 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year

our D looked old, weak, slow and unathletic. Reese went out and got athleticism, strength, speed and the first 3 were all juniors. One year at Fewell U. and these guys will all be early first round quality. With our free agent signings none of these guys have to start right away but they will keep those vets ahead of them on the depth chart on their toes.
I love the strength of both Joseph and Petrus. Without injuries we can have some real good line rotations and special teams coverage should be improved.

by malapraxis on Apr 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

The Giants, in somewhat Raiders fashion, drafted big, strong, fast, athletic players. The stuff you can’t teach. They filled the major needs, DT, MLB, S, OL, and pass rush. If the players were not exactly the ones we wanted, why should we armchair QBs believe we know better than the professionals? We may have liked Chaney, but the fact he went in the 7th shows that no teams liked him much. And Washington went undrafted at tackle. To me, the draft was a success once we landed Petrus. JPP may be the pick I like least. Although I also don’t understand why we can’t let Tracy fight for a DE spot.

by ct17 on Apr 25, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling Coughlin cosigned bigtime on JPP so he should get extra spcial attention paid to his development.

I also love hearing the guard described as strong and vicious. Visious is such an aweome adjective for a down and dirty trench guy.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 1:03 AM EDT reply actions  

*vicious

*vicious

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just imagine

JPP, Tuck, Canty, Osi That could be a crazy combo. They probably want Tuck to play inside more like he did when we went to the bowl. On 3rd down, you have those guys just rushing the passer. I just hope JPP gets better as the season goes on. Let’s give the kid a couple of games before we kill him. Hopefully after the bye he will just be able to regroup and take in what he has learned and just get nasty the rest of the season.

by GMen4Life on Apr 25, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

and you know

if we wanted to, we could almost completly switch the line out the next down and make it Tuck, L.Joesph, Cofeild, Kiwi, imagine being able to rest all those d-linemen at once while still having a very good d-line out there. we should have no problem being fresh in the 4th quater

by #56 4life on Apr 25, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any hopes for improvement in 2010 ...

look like they are dependent on how well Nicks, Sintim, Beatty, Barden, Brown and Beckum step it up in their 2nd seasons (although only Sintim can help the D), and on 2009 being at least half due to the injury plague (especially on D).

The biggest “draft” benefit in 2010 is Fewell to replace Sheridan, as it looks like JR was drafting for a few years down the road with “upside over NFL-ready” being a fairly constant theme.

I think the 2010 draft class is the most murky as to how it will turn out (at least on the day after) as any that I can remember. I haven’t seen anyone torching the Giants draft in the media so far, so maybe that’s a good sign.

by Shofner85 on Apr 25, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I wax excited about our Dline last year

Well injuries derailed that freight train. So what to do, what to do? Our formula for success is hmmm…I believe it’s you can never have enough pass rushers. What to do? The Giants value the Dline as much or more than any team in the league. We want our best players to be on that line. So we add depth and 2 prospects which make a hell of a lot of sense. A ridiculous raw edge rusher with Pro Bowl potential and a big fat DT in the first two rounds. The Giants formula has been true to this. Let’s stop the run and get after the QB all game long. Let’s hit him, pressure him, force him into bad/risky decisions, sack him, or hell knock that sunavabitch out the game. Just ask Tom Brady. It’s what we gotta do.

by wangstu13 on Apr 25, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

So true.

Good point. Your argument is compelling and rich.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Apr 25, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for about $10-15 less guaranteed money.

and he won’t be switching positions. And he won’t be coached by the dunce that is Mangina. And he doesn’t take steriods (I think, at least in JPP’s case)

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still

Like vermicelli or ziti better than mangina myself.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 26, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

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