NFL Draft, Day 2: What will the Giants do tonight?
Time to talk turkey. Let's move on from the Jason Pierre-Paul debate and focus on what we hope our New York Giants will accomplish tonight in rounds 2 and 3 of the NFL Draft.
Ralph Vacchiano has a list of players -- albeit admittedly incomplete -- the Giants have worked out. That is a good place to start. Mike Garafolo has a preview of tonight's possibilities, as well.
Keep in mind that great players can be found tonight, especially in the second round. Tiki Barber, Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Steve Smith and Terrell Thomas quickly come to mind as second-round selections. So, tonight is critically important.
Let's break it down by likely positions of interest. Though, as we should know by now, what we think is not necessarily what the Giants think. We have to start somewhere, though.
Middle linebacker
Sean Lee of Penn State, Brandon Spikes of Florida and Donald Butler of Washington are probably the three top-ranked middle linebackers remaining. We should also know by now that we need to pay attention to guys the Giants work out -- and they brought Lee in for a workout. Jamar Chaney (Miss. State) and Pat Angerer (Iowa) are probably more likely to be third-day type players.
Outside linebacker
Following on the workout theory, watch our for Navorro Bowman, also of Penn State. Daryl Washington of TCU is another possibility, especially since some think he can play inside despite being a bit small.
Running back
We have discussed this over and over. I believe they are taking a running back somewhere in the draft, and tonight could be the night. Possibilities here are endless -- Toby Gerhart (Stanford), Ben Tate (Auburn), Montario Hardesty (Tennessee), Dexter McCluster (Ole Miss), would probably be the leading names to pay attention to. I'm loving the idea of Hardesty myself.
Defensive Tackle
UCLA's Brian Price, who many had originally pegged to the Giants at 15, could be there at 46 and would be tough to pass -- even with the middle linebacker need. Great defensive tackles make your middle linebacker better, no matter who he is. Other possibilities could be LaMarr Houston (Texas), Arthur Jones (Syracuse), Mike Neal (Purdue), Cam Thomas (North Carolina), Geno Atkins (Georgia).
Offensive Line
It would stun me if the Giants go all the way through this draft and don't grab one or two players to at least upgrade the depth of this unit. Jared Veldheer (OT, Hillsdale) , Vladimir Ducasse (G/T, UMass), maybe Rodger Saffold (OT, Indiana) if he falls, Jon Asamoah (G, Illinois), Bruce Campbell (OT, Maryland) are names to watch.
Cornerback
There was a somewhat surprising run on this position late in the first round. A couple of guys to watch could be Chris Cook (Virginia), Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (Indiana, Pa.) and Amari Spievey (Iowa). You can never, ever have enough cover guys.
Safety
Even after signing Antrel Rolle and Deon Grant, I think we all know adding one more young safety is possible. Names I might look for tonight include Nate Allen (South Florida), Morgan Burnett (Georgia Tech), Chad Jones (LSU) and Major Wright (Florida). I refuse to mention the guy from USC in hopes that Jerry Reese will also forget about him. If player who won't be named becomes a Giant I shudder to think at the reaction around here.
Tight end
Another position where many think the Giants might, at some point, go for an upgrade. I don't see it, but I will throw a couple of names out there to keep an eye on tonight. Rob Gronkowski (Arizona) and Anthony McCoy (USC). McCoy is intriguing because he has a reputation as a solid blocker, which the Giants could use.
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All of that aside, I am making zero predictions for tonight. Just going to settle in with a glass of wine and watch the proceedings. Do yourselves a favor, gang. Don't get your heart set on one guy and think the night is a disaster if that isn't what happens. Please.
There will be Open Threads for each round.
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I dont even know what i want anymore
im still in shock from last night.. although i am forcing myself to turn around on it and beleive JPP will be a force… what choice do I have.
Would love Lee or Price in round 2. need to sure up that middle. I really think they have to get a DT and MLB tonight, and worry about OL and rb in the final 4 rounds. Deji karim in the 4th maybe??
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
DT/MLB
I know MLB is a need. And I would love Lee. I’m just of the opinion that a stud DT makes your linebacker and your secondary both better by demanding multiple blockers.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
There are questions for every single DT on our roster save for maybe Cofield.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mount Cody anyone?
I totally agree… you think Cody has a chance of still being there at 46? not too many people eat up blockers like he does. I know hes a typical “3-4 DT” but what does that really mean? if he can eat blockers, stop the run, and get pressure (would really need him for pressure wit DE crop) then i say get em!
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it
Too many 3-4 teams in front of us. Chiefs, Dolphins, Pats (unlikely) could all snap him up.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, Price
Would be my pick if he’s still there. He’s got a really great first step for a 300 pounder!
Houston looks like a player as well.
Lee has to be the favorite in round 2 based on need though.
McCluster might be “Spiller light” for them if they go that way. He’d juice up the return team and add that speed element out of the backfield on 3rd down. Of course those damned Eagles are supposedly high on him as well, and might snatch him before we get a chance.
This is off-topic a bit:
But it must suck to be a Rams fan. Instead of taking Bradford #1, they could have taken Suh, and the way the draft went could have had Clausen with the first pick tonight. Clausen + Suh >>> Bradford + whoever they’re gonna end up taking.
Obviously the draft would have unfolded slightly differently had they taken Suh, but if Clausen wasn’t drafted in the 31 picks after Bradford, there’s no reason to think he would have been drafted had Bradford still been on the board.
2009 Did Not Happen
True
They were screwed by having the No. 1 pick, and feeling forced to take a QB.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely sucks for them.
What will it feel like if Suh is beast mode..Bradford sucks..and then Clausen’s destroying ish around the league?
Poor Spags.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
thats exactly what i think is going to happen
i jus feel bradford is a bust waiting to happen, and clausen is going to kill it.. but what do i know
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder where Clausen will go now....
I think Buffalo in the 2nd round maybe? Their OLine is one of the worst in the league though, so i can see them taking a tackle.
Do the 49ers take him in the 2nd round? or the Panthers?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
is there any doubt it will be a WTF pick?
Like if Clausen’s there…do they pick him?
LOL!
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell not
or maybe if Eli goes dwn ( AHHHHH) you guys are comfy with sorgi in an extended role, not I…. and JPP is only a WTF pick to those who clearly are missing his talent and the team that we already have……………… Prrice or Houston though!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
J.P.P Dammit, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I ain't comfy with Sorgi playing...
but Eli Manning is a rock.
I’m comfy having a Sorgi type bench warmer cuz who our starter is. If our starter was someone like say…..McNabb, who is an injury magnate…then yea, we need a good backup capable of winning games.
Otherwise with Eli…the only time he’s doing something is mop up duty and preseason.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We're probably going to bring in that Randolph kid from Holy Cross in FA.
We already had him in for a visit. It’s time for Bomar to put up or shut up.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
2nd Round
How about Steve Smith!! Wow I cant believe you missed him
Anyways I want Linval Joseph in the second round and Sean Lee,Daryl Washington or Jamar Chaney
+1
Joseph has to much potential to pass up. The lee or Washington. But we definitely gotta go defense
by Dfence on Apr 23, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still not sold on price…we need a run stuffer and he doesn’t have the mass
by Dfence on Apr 23, 2010 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he had 30 tackles for loss
in 2 years as a sophomore and junior.
how doesn’t that mean a run stopper?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed
How do you prefer Hardesty over McCluster? Even for his size Dex really outplayed Hardesty in the same conference…and he totally made Eric Berry look like a fool in the head to head match-up.
Hardesty's been more injury prone...
I like Dex too
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the giants will pick lee if he's available
I would take an ol and then draft jamal chaney in the 3rd round, i’m worried about lee knees.
if your worried about Lee's knees
why are you not worried about Chaney’s knees?
For real..why?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Chaneys Knees
does Chaney have knee injurie issues?
he missed most of 2008 with a broken leg
so no..it wasn’t his knees.
Still a major injury
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
bones heal just fine
ligaments do not
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
All i'm saying is that i think chaney is a safer pick in round 3
At least chaney played and wasn’t hurt in 2009 and he played well and perform well in the combine also without any problems and good point mclaren
maybe that's the thought
They passed on Lee.
Chaney’s still there.
Pray he still is!
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Price or Houston, whichever one is there
if both i go price, i would really take both of them to be honest lol, I would take Chaney in the 2nd no problem especially on a team like ours
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
here is how I rate them
MLB:
1. Brandon Spikes – he is a bit slower but the best player on tape
2. Jamar Chaney – good measurables but don’t know anything about him on tape
3. Sean Lee – he is just too soft for me to like. We already have 1 soft linebacker in Boley, if we take another guy like him we will get run over in the run game even if we had Ted Washington and Vince Wilfork in the middle.
DT:
1. Brian Price – most productive in college
2. Arthur Jones – he was a beast in college but he played on a bad team and had some bad injuries
3. Lamarr Houston – he played on a good defense so he didn’t have to do as much. I like his body though.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
so that means
Lee
Chaney
Spikes
then
Houston
Jones
Price
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever
not like you’ve been right with anything on the draft
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Im happy too see people on the Lee bandwagon now haha
I would obviously love Lee, but if Someone takes him before us i would like Price. Cody doesnt seem like the right fit for us. Also Lee is probably the LEAST soft player in the whole draft. I dont know how you can call a guy soft who plays his heart out every play and fought his way back into playing after getting hurt before anyone thought he would? For you Rangers fans, Sean Lee is basically Ryan Callahan in football player form haha
ryan Callahan..
perfect comparison.
Solid player, underrated..but will miss his games.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Just seems to me they are very much a like, and if Lee joined the Giants they would both be my favorite players on my favorite teams haha
by inmymind1224 on Apr 23, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I lobby for James Starks in the 6th round.
The reason? Really, just supporting my alma mater.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
What about McG's, or maybe RV's, idea of drafting Mays and converting him to linebacker?
Any takers?
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
drafting Mays and converting him to linebacker?
my cousin suggested that to me today as his preference and i wanted to punch him. if JR picks Mays in round 2, he is obviously able to see something in prospects that we are all not able to
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays could be a great WLB. His cover skills and athleticism would be elite for a LB and he’s big enough at about 225-230. I don’t know if he can break down and wrap up but he’s a first round talent at either LB or SS.
I’m of the opinion that I’d take Daryl Washington over Sean Lee. Washington played MLB for TCU and athlough he’s a little light in the ass he’s the fastest LB in this draft. Sean Lee isn’t better than Poszluzny. You can add Navarro Bowman on that list as well.
DT .. I honestly don’t think the Giants are gonna draft one … They payed a shit load of money to Chris Canty and I expect him to bounce back after a medical redshit last year. He never missed a game before last year and then couldn’t get on the field last year. Cofield is solid and they still have Jay Alford and Rocky Bernard who they didn’t cut.
The G-Men have enough talent that they basically could draft the best player on their board in every round. MLB isn’t going to be that big a deal because on most teams the Mike backer is just a run stuffer who comes off the field on passing downs. Boley is their best cover backer and they may use Sintim or another speedy backer In the nickel.
by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 23, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I'd rather draft Mays then Washington
really..
I’d take either..both provide speed..but Mays obviously more speed.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If they do that..I wann hear Reese say it.
If they say he’s a safety…I might pour boiling pasta water in my shorts.
But if they say he’s gonna be a LB….well, I might try and beat JPP’s back flip number. Cuz Mays at LB makes me all tingly inside.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what i mean...on paper it makes great sense
He got decent enough coverage skills, and theyll be lessened as a LB. Hes fast and likes to hit hard. Seems like a good fit
But to draft him in the 2nd round as a project isnt okay
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
meh..
that’s actually where I always would’ve been OK with Mays.
I mean..its not like we didn’t draft a project in the first, even if he’ll play his “natural” position (I think…).
Mays WAS a LB in high school..and while it was high school..its really not like this dude was a DB his whole life.
He’s 6"3 230lbs with 34 inch arms. So he’s basically bigger then Sean Lee and Darryl Washington.
I think he’s probably stronger too. He’s a smart kid as well.
If all he’s gotta do is bulk up about 10 lbs or so…well..I think I just talked myself into this.
Taylor Mays..Giants. #46. Do it.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
i wanna go back to all of your past Mays bashing posts and list them all… taylor mays? really? wouldnt he be considered a WLB if anything? Not to warm on boley anymore?
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB.
Hell…Urlacher did it.
The Panthers did it twice with Thomas Davis and Jon Beason (Beason played safety to start his U career, LB thereafter..but basically a safety size).
Mays is good at keeping the field in front of him..its actually his best trait.
I mean it goes along with the JPP pick doesn’t it? Physical freaks..basically too much of athletes to be busts..they can go by raw athleticism and still get the job done.
But the potential?
Only question is…is he there? Him falling to 46 wouldn’t surprise me..and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pull the trigger.
Don’t even give him a position. Just figure out what to do with him. Get creative.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
all you had to do was tell me Urlacher did it
he was a safety in college?
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
not exactly
he played some small amounts of safety as a rover
and now he bulked way up.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
more of a rover then the true FS that Mays was at USC
and he was a little bigger then Mays (I think he was about 245 or so in college).
But even if he doesn’t have to bulk up..Jon Vilma is a strong bastard..he’s 6"1 230 and while gifted..not nearly as much as Mays.
He’s a smart dude too..and he’s willing to learn and do what the staff wants.
Maybe he’s got no deep ball skills..but he’s big enough to cover Witten like a tarantula.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Tampa 2
if Fuel does run a legit tampa 2, mays could really be our guy… OK time to go home and watch some more drafting
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason there was so much Mays hate posts
was cuz we needed a safety..and he was a possibility for that at #15 at one time.
I basically hated JPP as much as Mays..but hell…if Reese does it..now that I’m sober, let em do it.
Will we be the Raiders? Who knows..the Raiders aren’t coached well all these years..but if they had a QB this year, they would’ve been pretty damn good with all those freaks on the roster.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
its tough to not love a freak who loves to hit
screw it.. im on the taylor mays for covert to LB bandwagon.. i drank the kool aid for JPP, might as well fill the glass back up for Mays
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 23, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahaha yeah Im officially excited if that happens..
..lets do this. Ill call Jerry
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
I am 100% sure the Giants wont take a MLB in the 2nd round
I’m worried about Sean Lee..in my opinion the next MLB in line would be Angerer but we can get him later…Now comes the news that Kirk Morrison is expected to be released/traded and I think we might have a new starter. I think Reese is really gonna give our in-house options a shot this year to win a job versus a FA like Morrison.
Too much talent in this round to settle for a Lee,Spikes,Chaney etc.
A lot of very good options at safety, defensive tackle and even the offensive line (im looking at you Saffold). Not to mention skill position players (Tate and McCluster). I know we don’t need a WR, that’s very clear but if Golden Tate was sitting there- wouldn’t you pull the trigger?
Golden Tate
**facepalm.
I’d rather have Spikes
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Antonio Pierce could smoke Spikes in a footrace. So if they let him go their not gonna waste a pick on Spikes unless its lae and I mean 6-7. Jerry Reese like his football players athletic and fast. I think they’d take several other MLBs over Spikes. I’d take Takeo Spikes washed up ass over his younger cousin.
by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 23, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Giants are talented enough that I highly doubt a rookie is gonna start this year at all. Sheridan didn’t get fired because the defense was terrible … He got fired because he was handed a very talented defense AND they were terrible.
If I were Jerry Reese I’d be doing the same thing he’s done so fae and that’s just take guys who are good football players with talent. If its Mays it doesn’t matter if its at safety or linebacker because he’s only gonna see the field on special teams and subpackages. I would prefer Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett though.
by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 23, 2010 4:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
me too..
but well..the possibilities with Mays…
I’ve already seen some stuff where JPP may be a rush LB at times.
The Giants D has always been pretty good pre-2009…but freakish athleticism hasn’t been one in the same I’d say, right?
Well JPP’s that.
While I like Nate Allen..he’s really not that.
Morgan Burnett is a freakish athlete tho..that’s for sure. I’d be down with that. Its just Mays is such a big dude.
If you could coach him man….imagine you could coach him to learn how to be a LB.
He’s got 34 inch friggin arms. That’s as long as JPP’s ! That’s in the ideal range for an elite LT in the NFL!!
He’s got a 41 inch vert. ALl the blocked passes? Romo and Kolb throw side armed..all the batted passes.
I’m lovin this.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Free
everything in moderation… your really pushing the envelope of what is sane. clear the smoke out of the room and listen to yourself…. Mays!? do you really envision yourself cheering for this? His awareness has been questioned relentlessly, and correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that a big part of being a MLB.
No to Mays. Again I will be behind this if it happens… but I will have also suspended all reality for the remainder of the offseason.
The Giants defense over the last 30 years has been anchored by basically 2 players … Lawrence Taylor the ultimate freak for 14 years and then Michael Strahan who’s combination of size and athleticism has his ticket for the HOF punched. Justin Tuck is now that guy. He and Umenyiora should be anchoring this D together but he thinks he should be paid like Jared Allen. That’s all and good but he doesn’t play like Jared Allen and with his talent he should. He’s gonna talk his way outta of town even today he’s running his mouth again. Jason Pierre-Paul has more talent then both of them. So at worst he’s likely to be a starter at some point and at best he can be the best athlete on the field. He can be a 15 sack guy because he’s got the athleticism and motor to be that and he’s never gonna see a double team. The Giants have the time and resources to get the best out of him. Michael Irving made a point last night that not only will he compete fot PT as a rookie but he’ll motivate the incumbants to raise their level of play. Osi that means you
by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 23, 2010 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lee didn't even play MLB this year
he was the Sam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfen4leREs
I thought we didn’t want any more players that don’t fit the scheme
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
But he used to
and yes, that’s a good thing.
Versatility. Excellent
Stop shooting yourself in the foot.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Spoon used to play it too
stop being a hypocrite
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Spoon at #46 would have been fine.
First round? Not so much.
No one said Lee would go in the first round…
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
ART JONES
I said it months ago I stand by it if he is still there in the 3rd we have to grab him. I live in the Cuse man is a beast.
yeah i been talking about him
we need a beast DT that can take over from Freddy Robbins. He can be that guy (provided he stays healthy)
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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