JPP: The Reaction, Part II
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintI will admit that when Roger Goodell announced Jason Pierre-Paul as the New York Giants' selection Thursday night, my reaction while sitting there was to lean back, exhale deeply and groan.
I was disappointed. As many of you made candidly, and in some cases crudely, obvious you were as well.
Yet, I have had a night to sleep on it. To get away from the initial anguish and think about it a tad more clearly. I trust you guys have also calmed down a bit, sobered up if necessary, and that this morning we can have a more rational discussion about the pick.
I was very clearly on the 'don't draft JPP' bandwagon. And very clearly of the opinion that if the Giants were going to draft a defensive end Derrick Morgan of Georgia Tech was a much safer choice. Here is what I wrote about the buzz surrounding JPP in my Prospect Profile of him.
I don't truly understand it, but there are still a healthy number of mock drafts out there showing Pierre-Paul going to the Giants with the 15th pick of the first round -- if not earlier.
To me this is a tremendously raw "project" type of player who would fit either a) with a defensively stacked team that could afford to wait a year for him to develop, or b) with a bottom-feeder type team willing to gamble that Pierre-Paul will turn his potential into production after a year or two.
The Giants don't fit either of those categories.
As I distance myself from the emotion, though, I have to admit something. I actually kind of like this pick.
Do I know Pierre-Paul will be a great player? No. I have no idea. Then again, do I know for sure any player drafted Thursday night will be a great player? No. Again, no idea. None of them have put on a uniform yet, attended a rookie mini-camp, a training camp or played in a game.
We have absolutely no idea how any of this will turn out. And, in truth, despite what anyone says this morning it will be years before we know for sure whether this was the right move or the wrong one. Also, remember that Reese and the scouts have access to many things we don't, and that they know more about this than we do.
Reese used a baseball analogy in his pre-draft press conference the other day when he said "If we can hit home runs, that is good. If we can get a double, that is good. If we can get a single - we just want to get on base in the draft. We don't want to have a bunch of strikeouts."
This is what I really like about the selection of Pierre-Paul. With Rolando McClain and C.J. Spiller off the board, Reese still swung for the home run. There were safer options, and clearly selecting Morgan, Mike Iupati, Bryan Bulaga or a handful of other players who were still available might have been an easier pick for the fan base to swallow.
Yet, Reese did not do the safe thing and I admire him for it. To be great, you have to be willing to accept risk, to swing for the home run on occasion. It's how Ernie Accorsi swung the deal that brought Eli Manning to New York in 2004. Reese had the courage to go for greatness.
I am going to cherry pick one glowing comment from an NFL writer about the selection. And, yes, I know the reaction is mixed. From CBS Sports' Pete Prisco.
"This is the best pick of the first round. The Giants picked a star pass rusher. He will be a force. What a great pick. I love this pick more than any other. He will be a 12-15 sack player in a year."
Here is some of what Reese said about Pierre-Paul Thursday night.
"He's one of those guys where he has a lot of things you can't teach. He's a rare, gifted, talented kid. He is just uncommon, I think that's a good word to use to describe his skill set. He's long, fast, athletic, he has a great motor. ... This guy is really going to do a tremendous job coming in to help us rush the passer. ... All those kind of things he has, you know, it's hard to find a package like that. He has some freakish athletic skills that we're excited about. ... This was an easy pick for us."
Director of Scouting Marc Ross was also asked about the selection.
"He was a guy that during the season when I went to South Florida because I had four senior guys - where you put the tape on and you say, "Wow, who is the world is this guy?" Because you don't know anything about him; he just got there. But he makes you take notice because he is jumping off the film. ... this guy is a freak of nature, really, some of the stuff that he can do and the way he looks. He is just a different guy. He has done things that I haven't seen in scouting - in games - that I just haven't seen. ... when he learns how to really play, it is going to be "watch out." Because he does some things just naturally just playing - in your back yard just going. And when he really learns - when he gets his coaching and he keeps growing and developing like we think he will, he is going to be tremendous."
All we can do as fans is hope that Reese and Ross (the R&R boys?) are right. And give them credit for not being afraid to accept risk in the pursuit of greatness.
In Reese I Still Trust.
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I'd have a problem with this pick
if we took him over mcclain or spiller.
JPP over Morgan is swinging for the fences over just getting on base.
Morgan will be a pretty good DE in the league.
JPP could be All Pro
But he also could be a complete bust.
Too much panicking for one round of draft. If we fill our needs throughout the rest of the draft then this pick could be icing on the cake.
Kirk morrison's price just dropped.
Last night in a blind rage after the raiders drafted mcclain I opened up some stories on yh pick and one stated that it lowered the price of Kirk to a 4th, maybe even a 5th rounder.
Think about this
trade 4th for Kirk
trade 5th for rocky McIntosh
Make Kirk starting middle, rocky starting strong side.
Move Clint to de where he’s a beast
trade osi for 2nd
trade back the 2nd for a late 2nd and a 4th
Draft oline, and dt in 2nd
db depth and rb in 3rd and 4th .
Then were celebrating success.
That’s my dream scenario.
Anyone agree?
by ianwestpalm on Apr 23, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also!
You can quote me on this.
If gartell Johnson gets a chance he will surpass Jacobs if Jacobs has another down year.
Gartell= Marion barber clone IMO
he will be a beast if given a chance
he was thrown into the lineup mid season last year, after a full offseason of meshing with our boys and learning the plays he will be solid.
by ianwestpalm on Apr 23, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol? i dont see
why your so high on johnson.. waived by SD and picked up by us ONLY b/c of the rash of injuries to brown/jacobs/ and bradshaw
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Ryan Grant
was signed off our practice squad, sometimes you can find hidden gems like that.
Not saying I see Gartrell that way, but it would be nice if he progressed like that
- Mohamed Sanu: A Giant in Two Years-
he was
but we’re talkin the giants here.. the team who always has good rb’s lol..
but my knock on GJ is that he hasnt shown good vision… id value Ware higher than johnson at this point. But hey, if he does blow up. Id be a happy camper, i always would like for any giant to become a better player.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Actually
Ryan Grant was traded him for a 6th rounder when it was clear we weren’t keeping him on the final roster. God, we were loaded that year. Although obviously we should have kept him over Rheuben Drougns. He had an excellent preseason, but I think they wanted the known commodity in the vet with such a young group of RB’s.
Anyway, I don’t see Gartrell being that good. I do love the running style though! I’m more optimistic on Brown. Achilles tears are rare for a running back so I have no idea if he loses anything once he returns. He’s running full speed again though.
Gartrell is
Slower than Maddison Hedgecock.
That is all.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
osi isnt going to be traded
teams are only offering 4th rounders i believe..and that is in no way enough compensation for the giants to agree to that..so as reese has said..osi is not going to be traded. as for morrison.. i like the idea of grabbing him for a 4th…we could draft best value in rounds 2 and 3 and if lb isnt addressed. we shoot for morrison.
mcIntosh is like you said, “your dream scenario”
sintim is expected to blossom this year. and i doubt FO goes for mcIntosh ..unless we waive some guys like kehl…but you have to wonder why Mac is available for only a 5th round tender
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Kirk sucks
why do guys want him? I’d rather they just keep Goff in the middle
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If they don't address the need
in Round Two, I think Morrison’s price has dropped to getting him with a 5th rounder,
remember he only got a 3rd round tender (Read he signed it recently).
by Great Gatsby on Apr 23, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Ed, starting work right at 9 exactly nice
That said I like what B-rod just said, JPP is swinging for the fences versus playing it safe. Thats pretty much what they were saying last night during the draft. They also said that we gave the Titans a gift in Morgan
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
I would have
started earlier, to be honest, but CJ got his reaction up first.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Great write up Ed. And yes after a nights sleep I do feel better about the pick. I still am not a fan of it but what’s done is done. Now we need to focus on the rest of the draft where there is still a lot of talented players left. I would like to see the Giants grab Lee in the 2nd or 3rd
by g-men_fan on Apr 23, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm now moving on to worrying about tonight
not like pessimistic, but… here’s my thoughts. This crew has not showed me they are adept at scouting LB’s- we’ll see about sintim, still have high hopes there. But now we are looking at some second round guys… maybe 3 and 4 where I’m not sure we can get someone that will help us.
Im pretty confident in their ability to pick Olinemen, so if they got a guy who they think can play RT, I’ll be psyched for that pick. otherwise… we’ll see right
LBs
I honestly think Sintim still has an opportunity to be a star. If he does that I think you will feel differently about LBs.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Sintim could be a good player
but Sam’s just don’t make much of an impact on games. I can’t even think of 1 LB that played Sam throughout the history of the game that was historically celebrated and became a game changer.
Everyone knows about Jack Ham and Jack Lambert from the 70s Steelers. They were the Will and Mike. Who was their Sam? Nobody remembers him because Sam’s don’t make big plays. They won’t change the game. Sintim could be the best Sam in the history of the NFL and it won’t matter much because they are not an important part of the defense.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
disapointing draft
Waiting all the way to 730 was dreadful but watching Rolando and CJ go in back to back picks was horrific
by AT2344 on Apr 23, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was gonna ask if anybody else felt stabbed in the heart when they came of the board within LIKE 60 SECONDS
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
I know
The Bills practically sprinted to get their pick in. It came like 30 seconds after the McClain pick. Crazy.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't the Giants actually fit criteria #a:?
“a defensively stacked team that could afford to wait a year for him to develop”?
I know what you’re all thinking. "What? Their dee was absolutely horrible last year. They are not “stacked” they are PUTRID!!".
BUT, last year was for several reasons (crappy new coordinator, injuries, malcontent, conmplacency, no mlb/safties (injuries)…).
Then they did something (2 things actually) already to address safety, and the only 1st rd MLB was off the board.
So with those caveats they actually do fit into category #a. Kinda stacked already at DE with Tuck, Kiwi and Osi, and can afford to let JPP develop this year in a non starting/playing roll.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Apr 23, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah I agree, if healthy we are defensively stacked...Just not at LB
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We are young at LB
But nome of us really know how good the LB corps will be. I think it could very well be a pleasent suprise.
I was all for McClain
But I have always been pro Goff, so I agree with you. But I still don’t think we are stacked at LB, not the way we are at say DE or CB.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what youre saying about LB..
..I feel like every other team in the league uncovers stud LB’s later in the draft. Who knows though, maybe Fewell loves what he sees in Goff or GW. God willing our LB situation wil turn out like our WR situation last year
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
Yeah, I hear Goff jerseys are flying off the shelf now ...
But I’m witcha … hoping for a happy ending.
but the difference is
that they spent a ton of early picks on receivers before they actually fixed the WR problem.
For linebackers they have completely ignored the position in the early rounds. Other than Sintim who didn’t even play 4-3 in college They just used low round picks The earliest LB they took was Gerris Wilkerson in the late 3rd.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you optimists are right
I think we’ll be pretty good against the run, but it was the pass that tore us up last year. Now, I think our DB situation is 10x better than it was last year, already. But what still worries me is the TEs and slot receivers catching those quick slants and as well as RBs catching screens. Those things have killed us on 3rd down and that’s what worries me the most.
If JPP
has the desire to play and the ability to learnt hen he will be a force in the league.
I think we were all looking for an impact player in 2010 given that we were picking 15th and some players were just within our grasp.
However, fate took away our chosen few (Spiller and McClain) and as Ed says JR had a choice – he either plays it safe or swings for the fence.
Given how good the Eagles and Cowboys are and that the Redskins have improved JR had no choice but to look ahead and take that gamble that JPP will be a difference maker in years to come.
We may not like the pick now or in the future but lets not knock JR for making a bold pick based on his and his team’s scouting.
by G Fan in England on Apr 23, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
You Brits have such a way with words
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
I don't mind this pick
With him projecting to be a maybe year long project, and us having to pay Kiwi and Osi next year…… I dunno. this allows us to loose one or the other and we still can have a good pass rush.
I think
that is a big part of the thinking. The draft is not just about 2010, but about having the best football team long-term.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a plan at work here
I was not overly enamored of the pick of JPP last night, but then I was not overly enamored of any of the other players that people were hoping the Giants would take. Having slept on it, I’m ok with the pick too. I’m pretty sure that Reese et al. just didn’t have confidence that any of the edge pass rushers available in the second round were going to be the answer to their Osi /Kiwi dilemma. Now they’ve got a potential Osi replacement and can either trade Osi as the draft progresses or let JPP develop under him for a year — and then fill that third pass rusher spot when either Osi or Kiwi goes at the end of this coming season. I think for this team JPP was the best shot they had to get a true impact player at that point in the draft and the team is taking a long view of things — it’s just that his downside risk of being a bust is also greater than you would like at this spot in the draft.
I would have been very comfortable with them trading back to get more picks, but this plan works pretty well too — except for the fact that JPP may have more downside risk than a player like Morgan. I would have actually been happier with Brandon Graham, but the Eagles had enough picks to make sure that that didn’t happen.
I guess this means that the Giants think the safety position is taken care of with the free agent signings, and I also think it means they have a lot of confidence in Sintim and Boley. I suspect they will use the second round pick for a linebacker or a defensive tackle, and there are lots of decent choices available, but O Line or running back are still possibilities as well. Or maybe Reese and company have a few tricks up their sleeve.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 23, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
"I guess this means that the Giants think the safety position is taken care of with the free agent signings"
Well Berry and Thomas were off the board, unless you think they could’ve grabbed Taylor Mays, there were no S’s left with a 1st round grade. And I hope you don’t think Mays is worth 15 lol.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
There are still
many quality safeties and LBs on the board. 6 more rounds to go!!!!
by Last year in Sec 127 on Apr 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely didn't want Mays
NO, my point is that using that pick to take a player who does not fill a position of immediate need the Giants were comfortable that whatever they could get in the later rounds would be good enough to fill the holes on the defense whther at safety, linebacker or defensive tackle. And I think they are right, although I do hope KP comes back healthy enough to play as I don’t think either Rolle or Grant are great safeties — just a big upgrade from last year’s misery.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ohhh I See. True.
Yeah basically Reese will obviously go “BPA” or w/e you wanna call it since supposedly BPA doesn’t exist.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
They're all boom or bust
I heard Mike Singletary say before last years draft that “there are only 5 or 6 impact players, on average, that get drafted in the first round, and I just want to get one of them.” I went back through all drafts since 1999, and he’s absolutely right. I counted a low of only 4 in one draft, and a high of 8 in another (a lot of it has to do with whether the QB’s are busts or not).
Another thing I noticed is that half the players that get picked in the first round turn out to be busts. Absolute waste of skin busts. William Joseph and Vernon Gholston that never even start a game kind of busts. Guys that are injured ALL the time kind of busts. Off the team that drafted them in 3 years or less.
I am also getting the feeling that Jerry has something up his sleeve. Remember 2007? After he got the GM job the first thing he did was cut Petitgout and Arrington like he had been dying to get rid of them and wasn’t going to waste one second of time after he got the decision-making authority. In the leadup to the draft everyone was saying the Giants’ #1 need was getting a left tackle, as there wasn’t one on the roster. When the draft was over, he hadn’t gotten a LT. It was the first post-draft question he was asked, and he said that Diehl was going to play LT. Everybody questioned it, and the Giants won the Super Bowl that year with Diehl at LT, and a big contribution from the players he drafted. Reese has been saying that he thinks he has internal options to play mlb. We should probably give him the benefit of the doubt.
Good Post
I am taking a wait and see approach. Of course, I wanted them to trade down, but we shall see. The kneejerk reactions last night on this site were quite amazing…..
Bright Side
I hated this pick at fist also, and I guess I still do. But if he just comes in to play on third downs for now, until he can learn the defense better, and you have a lineup across the D-Line, of Kiwanuka, Tuck , Pierre-Paul, and Osi that is pretty fierce line of pass rushers. I know Pierre-Paul is not Strahan, but maybe we can get some of that magic back from 2007 that was lacking so sorely last year.
JPP may prove
an exception to project players. The future of this pick will be fun to watch I think. BTW, I’m liking this new format of delayed drafting…..gives us all more time to fuss and discuss.
Only team with an A+ Grade
According to this guy so…..
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13264107?tag=coverlist;coverlist_footer
Trust In Reese
As much as I am skeptical about the JPP pick, I try to pull myself away and realize that we all have no idea who will be the best and what else can we do but put faith in our GM. The guy has generally lead us in the right direction so far, especially in 2007. Of course we have the right to question the pick and it might not have been who we wanted, but in reality who wanted Kiwanuka when he was picked? I for sure didn’t and that’s turned out pretty well for us.
I say give it a chance and let’s see what else we get in the draft. Wouldn’t mind seeing Spikes getting a call from Reese tonight…
Can Sun Dial make it to the phone....
before time would expire?
I think I'm really more just pissed with the way the draft unfolded
The fact that we couldn’t have even thought about trading up for McClain or Spiller, the only consensus 2 “wants” that even had a possibility of lasting. I was hoping for a trade down and like many said, with the clock ticking down, thought it would happen, but I guess JR didn’t get a worthwhile offer. At the time, I would have preferred Williams, Bulaga, or Iupati, or even Morgan, but I don’t portend to know the college game all that well and frankly, none of these are sexy exciting picks anyways. I see the upside potential in JPP, I see the bust potential. At least we have more leverage and options with Osi and Kiwi next year, certainly a pick for the future. Really depends on what tonight brings….
Speaking of which, I hate the new draft format.
Hey Guys
Does Anyone know of any 2nd and 3rd round Mock Drafts, now that the first round is over??? Just want to get a feel for what the “experts” think each team still needs and whatnot.
Ive never really liked WalterFootball. they always seem to be wrong haha
by inmymind1224 on Apr 23, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
This might be the highest we might pick in a couple of years
and we flopped.
I say Brandon Graham becomes defensive rookie of the year, Derrick Morgan becomes a solid player (not great), and JPP will see about 20 snaps game with about 3 sacks.
3 sacks..per game?
im down w/ that
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Sorry, I meant the entire year LOL
Interesting thing I found that JPP was used in a rotation at USF. Or at least that’s what I think I heard.
That's a helluva sack rate....
If JPP is going to get 3 sacks per 20 snaps, the guy is going to be a HOFer.
I slept on it...
and i’m still pretty depressed….
I’m sorry but JR, wtf were you thinking?!?!?!
JPP = Jerry’s Project Player…..
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
JPP is either going to be great or he is going to suck bad!
No inbetween with this one. Even after sleeping on it, I don’t like the pick to much risk for the number 15 pick in the draft.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 23, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
JPP himself isn't the reason I dislike this pick
I just feel we passed up a sure-fire opportunity to bolster our aging O-Line.
You play to win the game!
I would have liked some new O-Line blood too
But what the Giants really need on the O-Line is a stud tackle, and those guys were gone when we drafted. The other good O-Linemen available at 15 were guards and probably not really worth a 15 pick.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 23, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, the pick is a high value risk/reward pick.
There wasn’t an |O-lineman left that I would’ve dropped a #15 on. I’ve never been that high on Bulaga. He has his physical limitations and was an over achever at the college level. I think he is a right tackle at best and will lose some effectiveness at the next level. Great kid, attitude and effort, but he’ll never make a pro bowl. Alot of scouts saw him as a repeat of Robert Gallery.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I understand your O line concern, TF,
but sun has provided the response to it. I think JR and company think Beatty will fit at LOT. If so, barring injuries we should be okay for a year or two anyway. I do think we’ll be picking up an O lineman later in this draft. O’hara’s the guy who’s closest to packing-it-in time.
nah.. i got mckenzie as first to go
back problems + age dont bode well for O lineman..especially tackles
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
O'Hara?
O’hara and Snee are All-Pros.
I’d bet those 2 are playing another 4-5 years..Snee probably longer.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you mean
Seubert.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I really dont like this pick much
But I have to admit, the other players on the board werent too attractive to me, I was really hoping for a good LB or S but there werent many who were 1st rounders and the ones who were we missed out on. So, while I dont like it, I can understand and cope with it.
2010 is the year of the Giants!
that's what I'm feeling too.
JPP’s boom or bust, yes.
But well…his upside is higher then the others taken after him.
Sure, it seems like an all or nothing pick. But if we do, we’re hitting a grand slam, down by 3 GW HR in the bottom of the 14th
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In Jerry, We Trust
He’s been extraordinary in his evaluation of talent, and if he likes this guy, then I gotta put my faith in him. He has perhaps the least amount of football experience of anyone in this draft, and was a 1st rounder in almost all mock drafts, so that def speaks of his physical ability. And let’s be honest, D linemen don’t have to be the most intelligent guys on the field. “There ball. Kill man with ball.” And if nothing else, you know Osi, Tuck, and Kiwi are gonna take him under his wing, and let’s not forget that Strahan is still very good friends w/ this group and will be very influential in this kid’s development.
Did I think we needed an end? No. To be honest, I would have preferred we did like Miami and trade down and get Jason Odrick and some more picks. But perhaps we’re seeing the rekindling of the Four Aces package, which did win us a Super Bowl.
Lol, awesome
But there’s a reason most Mets fans are Jets fans. Speaking of the Jets, man, they’re really trying to put together something special. AFC East is going to be exciting this year.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The major reason Mets fans are Jets fans is that they played in the same stadium for a long time.
I think you’ll also see alot more Jewish Mets and Jets fans due to the Queens location with Kew Gardens right down the road. That’s not a slur or anything as I noticed over the years that the majority of my friends were deliniated that way, growing up.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
And the Mets
just added Davis, a Jewish phenom to the team. That should help increase the fan base. The Yanks tried for years to get a star Jewish player. When I was a kid there were loads of star Jewish performers in boxing, football, baseball and, perhaps above all, basketball. So many alternative paths to success now, their numbers have dwindled drastically.
Nobody said it was a rule, just an observation amongst friends and alot of people I have met.
I was a fan of all 4 teams when I was little. My Dad played for the Westchester Bulldogs and one of his teammates became the PR guy for Shea Stadium. I got to go to alot of practices of both teams and have a tone of signed memorabilia from the ’69 teams. I eventually grew out of it, being born into a Giants/Yankees family.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
And I don't doubt but it's well founded, didn't mean it as a challenge....
Not being from New York, I grew up in a “there is only one baseball team, the sainted Boston Red Sox” family, and where almost everyone became Patriots fans, but the Giants used to train at St. Michael’s College half a mile from where I lived as a kid, and I became a Giants fan. As for the Red Sox…..I claim I switched at the hospital….don’t understand that worship at all. Then again, I’d ordinarily be the “outlaw” in my family, but the competition for the award is so tough, I only manage to get it every third or fourth year.
LOL....indeed....I have the tape of the game....
And watched games 6 and 7 about two weeks as preparation for a visit from my nephew and his girlfriend in early May, he who has Red Sox decals on his car windows, drinks from Red Sox glasses, etc. Thought I’d play it for him as he was young enough to not really be brainwashed at that point, and sends me missives when the Mets lose, which has been all to requent recently. I remember the joke that after game six, Buckner was so distraught he wanted to end it all, and stood in front of a train, but it ran between his legs and never touched him.
I also think
as time goes on, you’re gonna see a lot more people like me (Mets/Giants) or vice versa (Jets/Yankees). It broke down the way it did for our parents generation for two primary reasons: 1, the Giants/Yankees and Mets/Jets played in the same stadium, and 2, the Jets/Mets were new teams in the 60’s, so you had an old world/new world type breakdown.
Today, the Jets & Giants play in the same stadium in a different state, so they have no connection with the baseball teams. They’re also all long established franchises, so the old world/new world thing isn’t nearly as applicable.
2009 Did Not Happen
Hey Reese has scouted and helped build a championship team from his drafts...
As for Omar, need I say more? LOL
Nice, reasonable
evaluation, Ed.
This surprise (granted not to many “experts”) 1st round move heightens my curiosity about what the rest of the rounds will bring. Laugh if you will, but a little voice keeps whispering to look for a Toby Gearhart surprise next.
I'd love to see Gerhart in a Giants jersey.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
Now that Spiller is gone, my prospect man-crush has been transferred entirely to Gerhart. I’m gonna root for him wherever he goes, unless he ends up with that commie star on his helmet.
2009 Did Not Happen
Getting Gerhart would absolutely redeem Jerry in my book.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
NO!!!!!!
First we get Cedric Jones in the first..then Joe Montgomery/Jarrod Bunch in the 2nd!!!
(***pukes over keyboard)
NOO!!!!!!!
….I like Toby..let em be great somewhere else.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh...
So you don’t want a guy who led the NCAA in rushing yards, touchdowns, and points scored? His 40 time is faster than Frank Gore’s. I almost never play the race card like this, but if he was black, he would have gone in the first round.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Am I playing the race card?
Tyrone Wheatley was white?
Ron Dayne set the friggin NCAA record..was he white? They both went in the first round.
Maybe they both are black Gerharts.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, I wasn't specifically referencing you.
But the fact is that he’s getting downplayed by the media for that exact reason, subconsciously. Out of curiousity, what are your reasons for Gerhart being someone we should avoid? Because he did well in college?
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
he's a big back.
A power back.
Yes..he’s fast for a dude his size…but its just, too many times man..I’ve seen this story before.
Dayne, Wheatley, Bunch, Montgomery…OY!
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. absolutely.
Spiller was my boy. Jahvid Best too.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we all would have been pretty psyched if Spiller dropped.
But there’s a reason he went where he did, kids gonna make plays.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case, I guess you're hoping for Ben Tate?
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
meh...
he’s fast..but he’s more 40 time fast, not game speed fast.
I like this Deji Karim dude.
I wouldn’t even mind Joe McKnight as a value pick in the 6th 7th rounds (he’s plummeting due to his off field stuff..sounds like AB)
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we need to draft one at all
We’re pretty well stocked at the position, and we’re already going to lose at least one of the guys on the roster before the season starts and if we’re lucky, one stays on the practice squad. Let’s get a MLB, a DT, and O-line depth. Matter of fact, let’s make some trades.
what about stafon johnson in the 7th/UDFA?
a good way to determine NFL success is to check out the yards per carry. He was pretty good in that area
whoa
so if he was the same size, speed. had the same skillset, running style. your saying that if he was black he would have gotten drafted? lmao.. man you need to get real. it’s 2010.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
It's just the fact that he's not percieved as fast.
It’s a subconscious thing, nothing malevolent meant by any talent evaluators. They just see a white running back and think “bruiser/fullback” because, well, most white running backs have no chance in the NFL. Just the way it is.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
but that is what Gerhart was in colllege
he didn’t run past people, he ran over people.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"He'll be a great second-round pickup for somebody, but I guarantee you if he was the exact same guy -- but he was black -- he'd go in the first round for sure," said the scout."
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, that's what i remembered and was thinking when i wrote that
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
i actually feel bad that i contributed to how many times tht article was accessed
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
It's not a race thing
but lets be honest he led the NCAA in rushing and all the points you pointed out but lets be honest. The PAC 10 isn’t really a Defense first conference so maybe just maybe those numbers are skewed some. Plus You hardly heard anything about Toby until middle of this year (and I understand east coast bias) but if he was a super back etc.. the east coast would have been talking about him for years and we weren’t. Sorry to disagree but I don’t wan himt on the Giants. If we go RB lets get some speed please
i dont want him either
just was trying to understand the whole, if he was white thing….
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I said that before...
It’s a shame but I really do believe he would have been drafted last night if he were black.
Hell, before he commited to Stanford Carroll tried to get him to be a fullback for USC. DIdn’t he run in the 4.5’s?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep it's right in that USA Today story.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I still dont agree
all that is for the media… speculation. Not by Gm’s.. I understand the bull shyt of thinking that way.but that is b/c of ppl who are in the media. Race is a easy card to play and gets fast publicity.
I seriously doubt any GM/team scout had on there draft card that since he was a white rb that they would pass..
complete ignorance that report is. and its sad that it would be believd by toby
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
On the contrary...
It might give him a nice chip on his shoulder to fuel his punishing style…
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
that is true
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
look, no one said that GMs wouldn't draft him because he's white.
But all the reports that have been available state that Gerhart “doesn’t have the speed to be an NFL featured back”. The fact is that that statement is just not true. But when you see him run, subconsciously, it’s too easy to think he’s too slow simply because white runners are hardly ever that fast.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
I almost never play the race card like this, but if he was black, he would have gone in the first round.
I dont know what that says..but i take that as teams(gm’s) passed b/c he was white
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
eh
I remember there being similar stories about Jason Sehorn, back when he was playing for the Giants, and how he would have been drafted higher had he been black, b/c his speed and athleticism were exactly what you wanted from a CB.
On the flip side, guys like Jacory Harris at Miami or David Garrard are pigeonholed as “scrambling QB’s” just b/c they’re black, while in reality they’re not fast guys and they both have strong arms. Their games are “white QB” all the way.
The NBA has this problem – you never, ever see a scouting report comparing a white guy with a black guy or vice versa, even if they play the exact same style. It’s a shame, but I think subconsciously it’s hard for people to see past race. I’m not claiming anyone is a racist, I just think it’s a fact – it’s much easier to see a white RB and think “slow bruiser” than it is to look at him and say “wow, he reminds me of Deuce McAllister.”
2009 Did Not Happen
There was similar talk regarding Larry Bird. Even Magic Johnson said he thought Bird couldn't play
Until they went up against eachother. They hated eachother, but are now best friends.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
maybe im outside of the norm then.
b/c if i see a slow bruiser..he’s a slow bruiser.. if i see a quick slasher..he’s a quick slashler.. the color of the guy has absolutely no impact on how i perceive his talent
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
A writer for SI wrote a piece about this topic
the writer was black and he wrote that other backs were recruited to be RBs at USC while Gherhart was not considered and thats why he ended up at Stanford. Like CJ says its not racism, hell most of the coaches and GMs making these decisions are white I just think their is the misconseption out there that skill position players are black and white guys are better off as olinemen, LBs, or QBs.
what?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
i did it again
GMs are just like the rest of us.It crossed most are minds that this kid is a white RB..Its natural..so i can understand them same thoughts creeping into there minds of GMs as well…..
That'd be a welcomed surprise
Like a young, fresh Jacobs. And I bet it would light a fire under his ass.
We still need to address a couple areas before we go RB, in my opinion. I really think we’re ok there, but I know most don’t feel that way.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No I'm with you...
But I do always like the BPA philosophy. I really don’t care for Spikes (if he’s there), and I’m sure we can secure some more OL depth towards the middle rounds. I know it’s not right, but you better believe if Gerhart weren’t white he would have been drafted last night.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The next surprise for you guys will be
Brandon Spikes, get ready, 3rd round though if he is still there, they will pull the trigger, again I echo, the JPP think is all reward and very very very low risk when you think about who we already have and his potential, I saw a special on his physical attributes that blew me away, HE IS THE HARDEST HITTING GUY IN THIS DRAFT, believe it or not, also like Ross said he leaps off the tape and he doesnt even know what he is doing, the passion and desire is there, he just doesnt know the game as well as Morgan but in 2-3 yrs there will be no comparison between the two at all, JPP will be better. As for round 2, it will either be Price, Houston, Spikes or John Jerry. Believe it!
Side note:
I told you that Dan williams was not a top 10 pick and nothing was more telling about his overrated status than when Bilichick and Parcells passed him up a few times, that tells me that what I thought about this guy was spot on.
Hey Free!! You always compared Graham to Cole, isnt it ironic??? Eagles D line is very similar to Indy’s now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
where you see the video of JPP at?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I have a couple friends at a few schools in Florida ( thats why i like spikes)
SF is one of them and they have some homemade films of this guy from every game they went to, all of the film showed that this guy is a freak of nature, i even went to see him once but I had to leave in the 2nd quarter, he is a very popular kid dwn there, I admit i thought he was just a one year wonder but after seeing him in person, he really sticks in your mind, this is no average talent ladies and Gents, Go to a Giants game if you get the chance and just look at this guy, and his body hasnt even reached its pinnacle yet, absolutely amazing skill, but if I like someone alot its not because of You Tube its because of seeing them in person, that takes the cake, thats why im such a Price, Spikes, Sintim…. fan, all guys i have seen play in person in college.
But you have to see that special on his physical attributes, absolutely amazing from an athletic standpoint.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I'm with you on Spikes.
The first round woulda been too high for him. But the third? Hells-to-the-yes. He knocks the snot out of people.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I'm trying to get used to the JPP idea....
No Sun Dial…….PLEASE!!!
I neglected to mention track,
but the great Giants broadcaster, Marty Glickman, was the # 2 dash man (behind Jesse Owens) in the ’36 Olympics.
Why not?
Gerhart has to be one of the backs under consideration.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how this is that bad a pick...
In ’07 our best LB was Kawika Mitchell, and our FS was Gibiril WIlson for crying out loud…
With multiple pass rushers you can do some pretty phenominal things on defense. I deffinitely remember Tuck, Osi, and Strahan lighting offensive lines up in the fourth quarter of every playoff game…and it was because of our depth at DE. Tony Romo certainly didn’t call that team the best defense he played all year because AP was an athletic specimen in the middle of the field, it was because he was running for his life the last 15 minutes of the game.
And we still have plenty of picks to work with.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
yea
but i sure wish spaggs wanted to b one of those "great defensive coordinators of all time guys., instead of shooting for a head coaching gig.
that said….i feel we hit on something good with Mr. Fuel
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Well if he starts Bradford Week 1
He’ll be back before we know it haha
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if it was up to Spags
He’d have taken Suh and take Colt McCoy at 33 (maybe Clausen, since he fell).
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I think that would have been the right play.
Bradfords no closer to being a star than either of those two, and a lot of people seem to believe Clausen is more NFL ready (even though he only played under center something like 15% more than the other QBs). I really think they’ll regret it if they start him next year, but it’s like who else to they have?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea your right
Spags probably was pissed he couldnt take Suh or Berry for that matter but this is a deep defensive draft and ill be paying close attention to the defensive players in this draft.
I must commend some teams on their 1st round picks:
Jets (wow)
Seahawks (wow)
Dallas (Dammit)
Eagles (WTF)
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Tell me about it
Soon as I heard Dallas trading up, I just dropped my head. I really think Bryant is another Brandon Marshall (which is EXACTLY why Denver passed him over, lol). Last thing I wanted Romo to have was another target.
Jets, man, they didn’t even need to think about this one, did they?
I’m willing to bet the Eagles could have held steadfast and gotten Graham. But I’m really surprised they didn’t grab Thomas.
I have to echo your sentiments about Seattle. Wow. Also KC Chiefs. These teams got some good value picks.
I really like what Miami did by trading down, grabbing a second round pick (they didn’t have one) at 40 and a 4th round pick, and still getting a really good player.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Im with you on the Eagles thing
I think they feared ATL taking him though!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
They could have taken Spoon
They like mouthy, prima donna athletes. lol
Again, I have to say that I really think they’re the most overrated upper management system in the NFL and they really keep adding logs to that fire (for me, anyway).
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing about Bryant is that nobody knows if he can run pro routes yet.
Amazing athlete who can catch the ball, any ball, but it’s gonna take some coaching for that to translate to the NFL.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Bryant ran pro routes in college
That sounds like a fair assessment for Demaryius Thomas (The 1st wideout picked)
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I could be mixing those two up. I'm still recovering from a major hangover.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
LMAO
JPP drove you to the bottle!! haha
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I don't really drink that much any more and was already pretty buzzed.
I was up late getting my DVR’d fishing reports.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Maybe this is why I mixed them up
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/dez-bryant?id=497278
It said he rounds his poutes off. Sounds a little like Barden.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Gotcha
he still ran a Pro route tree though, how well and polished he did it is up for discussion!!
the thing is, Damaryius didnt run but 2 routes his whole career, but he tracks the ball better than most.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
SUH
that guy is going to be a beast.. w/ the interview with deon he seemed like he was buckin at him.. lol “im all about business” “lets get this started”
daym i wish he was a giant
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I'm legitimately happy for the Lions
that the Rams bungled the past few drafts and decided to reach for a QB this year. The Lions, finally, are getting a little bit of luck. They’ve actually got some legit talent on both sides of the ball now – I give them 4 years before they pull a Cardinals and turn around a history of being a laughingstock into a legit Super Bowl contender. The key is Stafford, who I’m still not 100% sold on.
2009 Did Not Happen
Yes I love what the Lions have done in 2 yrs
they managed to get Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Suh, Best, and they havent even gotten started yet
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
if they had an oline
I think they could’ve competed for the playoffs, too bad they are in a really tough division
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maaaaan me too
Suh & Berry i am in love with their games, Berry is the closest thing to Sean Taylor besides a healthy KP
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I'm with Tito
With our DE depth, we’re in an ideal position to let JPP develop next year. He can still work into the rotation and help keep everybody fresh. If our interior D-line is healthy and stiffens up compared to last year, and we can add Lee or another solid player today to solidify the LB corps, and having Antrel Rolle at the back end, we could be back to 2007 form.
I gotta say..
I think this came down to Iupati vs. JPP….given Vacchiano’s Big Board top 5 for the GIants (I think it was correct too (McClain, Spiller, Iupati, JPP, Spoon.)
So..Iupati vs, JPP?
Can’t really argue with Reese’s choice. Guard or DE? Potential Elite Guard or elite DE?
and
at guard we are set.. if Iupati was a tackle…then i think he goes there
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Buluga was available
Many had him gone in the top 10. Was a no-brainer for Green Bay to pick him up. I wouldn’t have minded him.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Graham owned him. Do you want to see that twice a year?
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
look man...
what “many” had..is irrelevant.
It doesn’t matter. The bloggers and armchair GM’s can pan it all they want…they didn’t interview these guys.
Look at the whole first round. I doubt there was a single writer who had that.
What they had going in the top 10…doesn’t matter. Maybe Bulaga’s better then that…or maybe there was a reason?
Who knows?
Reese passed on Bulaga for a reason. He’s not as good a player as JPP.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I was more referring to the "if Iupati was an OT" comment
I think we covered the “we’re not NFL GMs” topic, thanks. I’ve already expressed my confidence in JR and his pick. I wouldn’t mind anyone JR picks. I’m as much a fan of him as I am Eli or Tuck.
And as far as Graham goes, I’m very familiar w/ him, as I’m a Michigan fan.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No I think
It actually came down to JPP vs. Earl Thomas, thomas was gone so they went after JPP, I dont think Iupati was even close to being the pick at all. I even heard the interest in McClain had faded considerably when they compared him to other LB’s, i heard that some in the Giants org fell out of love with him over the past few weeks and rightfully so.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Iupati and JPP were the ones mentioned by Vacchiano...
the way it played out, can’t argue with it.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Compliments to both CJ and Ed on the Reaction write-ups..
Both posts sum things up very well..It’s hard to fathom picking a guy who has hardly any resume..and basically gets picked because he ‘looks’ like an animal…but we shall see.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Face it..our boards were not the NFL team's boards
Look at the whole first round…whole lot of picks had people scratching their heads.
I think Tony Davis would’ve been the pick if he’s there, Ryan Matthews maybe too.
Its all about potential I think. JPP’s potential like Reese said..maybe as high as Ndamukong Suh’s.
How did he do on his wonderlic?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Don't know but prob the opposite of a Rhodes Scholar's score
Speaking of RS, if we can still get Sean Lee, Linval Joseph, Myron Rolle, and maybe D. Kareem or that AOA guy maybe we’ll still be in good shape.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
MLB
we still need a MLB bad, hope spikes would still be avaliable
by old man strahan on Apr 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
I'd take him in the third round
I think JR would, too. Think someone else will pick him up before us, though.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Spikes will be a Giant
and I wouldnt say we need an MLB “Bad”, Goff is good but Spikes is better
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I don't know, Blue. If they draft Spikes it will be unbearable on here and I don't think my stomach can take it.
Did enough damage last night. Contributed to my “calm” demeanor, this morning.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I am pretty calm this morning too...
Between the Booze and the Boos..I feel like I got shot at and missed, shit at and hit..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I blew off two appointments this morning. I don't really drink, but last night.............
Bleeding Blue since 1962
LOL
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
HAHA Sun!!
Well i dont think he will be our 2nd round pick, im still hoping for Price or Houston…….. 3rd round is all spikes if available but lll stop mentioning Spikes before i get kicked off of BBV.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Say it ain't so Gates....
We’ll have a defensive line that’s quicker than the middle linebacker.
Innovative
LOL! dnt worry he’s not really that slow in person, hes not a speedster either though
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
At least
he wouldn’t have to attempt to cover Westbrook 2 or 3 games a year, anymore.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't wanna see JPP doing backflips around him....
as he moves in for a tackle. I think we’ve had enough innovation for one draft already ;-D
Yeah, the man who can cook minute rice in two and a half hours...
That Sundial Spikes.
and sean lee
could probably get trucked by Dexter McCluster
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully that will happen in training camp...
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the curious picks before the Giants and after
I think the Raiders should have taken JPP because I think pick 8 was a bit early for McClain and LB is a position they really didn’t have a pressing need to fill. The Raiders needed a pass rusher badly. Picks 10-15, the Giants, Seahawks and Eagles got the best value.
Here’s the thing about this pick. Regardless if he is considered a project, JPP was considered by almost every analyst to be the best pure pass rusher and one of the best athletes in the draft. After thinking about it JPP has all the tools he just needs to be coached. Now he’s thrust into competition with Tuck, Osi, and Kiwi and IMO that will allow him to get ready much faster than if he was on the Raiders.
Hope hes on a plane
straight to Fewell’s camp. Fewell + JPP = The Real Freak DE. I’m getting excited. Boley – Goff – Sintim/Kehl behind the D-Line comeback of the century.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So Free... How is your TV doing?
Throw JPP in the Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes mix as a player who I’d throw the TV out the window if we drafted.
Don’t want em.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 8:07 AM PST reply actions
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
he's waiting for a Cowboys or Eagles fan to walk under his window
or rather, skip by under his window.
Because their fans skip from place to place.
Because they’re …
never mind. Drop it on a rival, FreeB
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Apr 23, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
lol...
well..I’ve come around on it.
JPP’s a good kid who wants to be good. I think JPP can cover better them Mays. and JPP’s faster and a better athelte then Spikes.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah him and Mays are two different specimens
They may be both athletic as hell but Mays didnt do his job very well, JPP however raw you wanna call him in his limited action got his damn job done
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Kirk!
The raiders taking mcclain would seem to signal the end for kirk morrison. why in the word the raiders aren’t happy with him is beyond me but i hope there is some way reese can work out a trade for him
3-4
I thought the raiders ran a 3-4. Which could mean that McClain and Morrison line up next to each other. Can anyone verify?
I'm fairly sure
they run a 4-3 and Morrison plays the MLB, although I’ve heard hes probably better off at SLB.
- Mohamed Sanu: A Giant in Two Years-
4-3
3-4 is too advanced for Al Davis. It’s all 70’s/80’s “chicks dig the deep ball” football for him.
The Raiders barely blitz, which is part of the reason why they beat the Eagles, b/c the Eagles weren’t expecting it.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Why trade for a player who might get released and who my not be that high on the Giants wish list.
If they thought he would be a good fit, they would’ve pulled the trigger alrready. My bet is that they don’t see him as a real upgrade over the current rostered players.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
attached article
This analyst seems to think that the raiders are going to cut or trade morrison which owuld be good news for us
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20100422_raiders_reach_to_land_run_stuffer_in_mcclain
A trade for Morrison was my first thought
after JPP’s name was announced.
As I’ve said before, the possibilities from here on in are intriguing.
When the Panthers run for 200 yds against us again
Will anyone admit picking JPP over Morgan was a huge mistake? Escpecially if Osi is not traded.
Would it be so terrible to have one DE on the roster who’s better against the run than the pass? You can talk about 2007 all you want, but Spagnola is in St. Louis and Pierce is history, so it’s about as relevent to 2010 as 1986 is IMHO.
We have Tuck and Kiwanuka
both are better against the run then the pass.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tuck in Kiwi
were in the lineup last year when Carolina and others shreeded them on the gound. They need run stuffing DT’s and LBs that are more that specail teams players. Regardless of how good Tuck and Kiwi are vs the run if the DTs continued to get blown off the ball and the LBs are always a step too behind the run D will not improve.
that's 2 people.
there’s 9 other useless piles of crap that hurt them too.
2009 didn’t happen anyway..what you talkin?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats my point
when your best run stuffers are DE’s in a 4-3 thats an issue. I’m not blaming Tuck and Kiwi I’m saying that despite their best efforts the run D still sucked becasue the D lacked DT’s or LBs which are your primary runn stuffers in a 4-3. Thats why I’m a bigger fan of Osi than Kiwi casue if they could straighten out DT and LB you could rely less on him to stop the run and let him rush. The run D was fine in 05-07 with him in the lineup 09’s problems were much bigger than Osi.
Hey free
Remember you told me blitzing is guaranteed to make your secondary better?? and I said it can expose your secondary too………. well the Eagles blitz alot (maybe the most) especially last year, but they also gave up the most TD’s from the blitz in the league and they have a pretty good secondary, so it doesnt always translate that way, sorry i know you dont care I just found it interesting and it supported my side LOL, im sure you could find some stats that would support yours too.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
because their DC
blitzes on like every play
so its just natural that they give up TD’s from the blitz
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense
But they have always blitzed since Jim johnson and have never been close to leading the league in TD’s off the blitz, neither has Pittsburgh until last year as well.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Run stopping
is a mind set, you can have all the big talented people you want, you still have to get it done.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Not only that
but in 07 Strahan was one DE and he was fantastic against the run. Tuck came off the bench as was solid vs the run. Robbins and AP were still playing at a high level and were very good against the run. As was Kawika Mitchell and evern Gibril at saftey. Point being is the Giants did not need Osi to be that stout against the run they were able to stop it with there other lineman and LBs. Osi was free to rush, they no longer have that luxery. They have no LB’s or a quality DT. Their best run stopper is Tuck who is also their best pass rusher.
touche
run stoppers.. tuck, cofield. and cofield is a stretch to add. but i believe sintim will be stout against the run. and a healthy canty(run&pass)… also antrel rolle is a good run defender.
no doubt teams will try and run against us.. i was for drafting dan williams..but we have too many DT on roster right now with money invested to go that route. not the same for DE’s.
maybe we get a surprise with bernard this year??
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
JR and TC think he's a run-stuffer
Giants.com has the post-draft press conference. They seem to have the upmost confidence in him and claim he was the highest rated player on their board when they were on the clock.
Thoughts on the pick
Like Ed mentioned time will tell. As big of a football fan as I am I’m not a big draft guy becasue nobody knows till 3 years from now so I don’t underdand why fans go nuts about the draft. If draft excitment or hype meant anything the Eagles and Jets would have 5 Super Bowls apiece already. To me reading all of these scounting reports and overanalyzing these guys is a waste of time as a fan becasue in the end in means nothing. So becasue of this I’m not that worked up over the pick, I’m not a GM, scout, or any type of talent evaluator so until JPP and other front office moves prove to be a failure I’m not going to kill JR.
With all of that said I’m obviously a big Giants fan and do have an opion about the pick, more about the philosophy and approch rather than the player himself. I don’t like it at all. I’m not a fan of drafting guys becasue they have great physical tools or they standout on film. That translates to me as he looks nice in pads and has a nice body but is not a good football player. I also hate well he’s a good value at that spot. WTF does that mean becasue he has more potential than other players of need they have to take him. Look at the defensive players the Giants have selected over the years with their premium (rounds 1-3) picks. Almost all DE’s and CB’s. Is it a wonder they suck at DT LB and Saftey. I mean I love a big time pass rush but come on, this team does not have one quality LB on it nor are they strong at DT and they take another DE. I mean William Joseph was a guy that was not productive but was drafted on potential, as was Sinorice Moss because he was so fast, how did those work out. While guys like KP, Smitty, and Nicks last year all were guys that fit a specifice roll and were very productive in college. None of them were projects just good solid Football players. I’m not saying I’m against project type players but not in the first round when you have so many other glarring holes on one side of the ball.
My last point but is anybody else getting a bit concered about JR starting to sing/draft players becasue of potential and physical attributes rather than their ability to come it and fill a need and fit they system thats run? I mean we gave huge money a year ago to a 3-4 DE that was adequeate at best in Dallas to play DT in a 4-3 becasue he’s physically imposing. We are relying on a guy that played 3-4 OLB in college to come in and play 4-3 OLB becasue he was a good value in the early second round last year. Not that Sinitm was not productive in college, but he was a pass rusher not a LB that covered and stoped the run which is what he’ll be asked to do here. Now we pick a DE that has not proven to be good but has great physical attributes when we have decent DE’s already because he’s a good value pick. To me a teams needs should determine the “value” of a player not his 40 yard dash or verticle jump.
Like I said I won’t loose sleep over it. In 07 I thought they needed OL and an RB and JR knew what he had in Deihl and in Jacobs/Ward obviously he knows best but I’m strarting to see a pattern or philosphy of aquiring talent that I’m not a fan of.
What I have a problem with is the drab post season thus far
Is not just the JPP pick. Hope I am wrong about this but questions about his run stop worry me. We shall see but surely, teams will run at him in the beginning. May his pass rush be Strahan like! What happens with Kiwi and Osi? I think both will leave eventually, that will not be good. Osi leaving OK (disgruntlement and overselfvalued) but both not. Maybe they will also put Kiwi back at OLB sometimes to give him snaps? But my point really is the lackluster post season moves. Rolle is the only one that is exciting. I hope they do some trades, some good draft choices but right now, not inspired by a team that went 8-8. If they were superbowl contenders and content to stay pat, OK but more changes are needed. C’mon guys, give me something to cheer about. And what are we going to do about DT? Rocky and Chris show scares me but not other teams!
by UnknownJintsFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I know and am hoping...
I am hoping I am surprised somehow. There are sleepers to be had, you covered in the pre-draft reviews. I am not saying I am smarter or know more, just cannot stand another season with talent that gives up. Maybe Fewell will light a fire under the D.
by UnknownJintsFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Ed!!
SMH
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
How's about they move Sintim to MLB
and Kiwi to SAM?
Gets JPP on the field more. Reese has said Sintim is in the mix for that spot.
Am I still hung over?
Or am I salivating at the idea of
Tuck-JPP-2nd round pick-Osi and then Kiwi and Sintim on the field too?
Pass rushers? We got 5 of em. 5 headed hydra BEATCHES!!
* 6 actually..math's fuzzy.
6 headed Phoenix?
Pride of Lions? no wait..Lions suck
6 Hyenas? Giggling as they rip McNabb limb from limb? I like that.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Please no.
Kiwi’s an end!
Depth baby. keep Tuck fresh late in the games and he does some pretty fantastic stuff.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
just for 2 downs..to get everyone on the field.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
5-1-5?
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Could it be!!
as long as that “1” is not Brandon Spikes..do it.
Spike will be like a pillar standing still.
A big still standing piller of crap.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
AP's speed.
Without the brain.
Not a recipe for success.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Nickel package
Maybe their new nickel package will be 5 pass rushers at once :)
by UnknownJintsFan on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there an echo in here?
Check above, dude. You just repeated the core of the previous conversation. No worries.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Or we could
stand JPP up from the outside and leave KIWI with his hand in the dirt!!
that makes more sense
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Dare I say...
JPP-Tuck-Brian Price-Osi?
JPP-Tuck-Spikes-Osi?
JPP-Tuck-Houston-Osi --ding ding ding!!
I like Houston here in the second, mine a gem of an MLB in the 3rd or later.
Maybe even AOA if he falls in the 3rd and Chaney in the 4th.
Look, you’ve gottat start shoring up the middle from the front to back. We’ve already addressed the very back end in FA. You build trenches out and add depth that transitions towards starting. We’ll be fine.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Houston is more in the mold of being able to play both inside and out
That’s something JR, TC and Marc Ross have all stated they look for. Houston was a former running back and is more athletic than Price.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
and Price resembles a pot bellied pick
emphasis on the pot belly
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
*pig
not pick..or pick spelled with an “r” .
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy on the price nonsense
He is not even big like you wanna make it seem, he is probably back at his playing weight right now, dude had an injury he was trying to hide and that obviously why he was a lil out of shape but your blowing it out of proportion now…… it is the same as nicks weight gain last year
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Price was way more productive than Houston
on a worse team.
Houston is a 3rd round pick.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah pac 10 defensive player of the year on a bad team
and he is getting no respect, guess he will just have to take it out on QB’s and RB’s, love this kid
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Yep Houstons a bigger Tuck
They are even have the same frame and all
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Love it
but where is Kiwi, Price in the middle would be illegal though
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
this is good
Like most of you guys I was disappointed when they said JPP but when I saw the JR JPP bashing, it appalled me and I found perspective. I posted several times yesterday saying exactly what you just stated Ed. Glad you added your muscle to this because I like a few others were largely dismissed and ridiculed. We need to understand that as passionate as we are as fans, the giant scouts and JR spends hundreds of hours reviewing and evaluating players. They run them through test and watch players frame by frame. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to prepare for this draft. As much as we might use our limited information to determine who the giants should pick, we have to respect the fact that they know better and do this fulltime. The jpp can still turn out to be a bust, and morgan can turn out to be a star, and it still won’t mean it wasn’t the right pick to make given the information they had. JPP is a freak of an athlete. Folks were joking about his back flips but what was more important is that it illustrated just how rare is his size athletic combo is. You can teach technique, but you can’t teach “rare” athletic gifts. It is now up to the coaches to use and develop those gifts to help the team win. They obviously think they can.
When you look at the pick at 15, outside of MLB, there wasn’t any position that we can definitively say can start over any current starter. Short of Mclain landing at 15, whoever we drafted there (spiller included) will take time to learn and develop in our system and would serve as a backup next season. Why not have it be a guy with gift that are rare to find?
by blueforever on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I calmed down shortly after launching a full beer bottle through my flat panel.
Luckily, I had kind of planned on it. I’ve got a Samsung LED being delivered today and it was only a 720p LCD.
I always wanted to destroy a TV. Thanks, JR.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Haha..Damn!!..The only things I threw down were a few more beers..and yeah some tequila..
Although I’ll admit I would have thrown our Cat (if we had one)..I hate Cats..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
lol
I only threw the remote and it landed in the seam of the other couch. The new LED TV huh? I had enough trouble getting the 56 LCD a few years back and can’t imagine the troube if I had to replace it cause I flipped out. Lol.
by blueforever on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm freakin' stoked. I had to get a buddy to pull some strings. This model isn't even in showrooms yet.
Thanks to my boys at PC Richards. 3D in my living room.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
i have seen a few LEDs
In best buy and the pictuere on the one with the 240hz refresh rate are crazy. I heard about the 3d comming but I guess you got one. I need a 40. In for the bedroom and am$ working on the wife for my birthday (otherwise I buy it myself). Tell me how it turns out with 720. That might be enough.
by blueforever on Apr 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The new one is 1080p 24oHz and will run on higher resolutions
The coolest thing is the link to my computer. I saw the 46’ at the store and the 55" was on backorder everywhere I shopped. The truck just showed up, gott a go.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I think..(I think..)..
Our guys need to simplify their selection process for the remaining rounds…We are all confident that they have a “nose” for the football..So given that..I say they should throw a name up on the wall..and have everyone in the war-room pick their nose….If the boogers are ‘flickers’ then they all agree to pass on the name..If however, a majority pick out a good ‘sticky, hard to flick booger’ then they should elect to draft them..Simple process..plain as the nose on your face..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
this would all be tolerable
if we saw those 2nd and third rounders already.
If we get Bruce Campbell and Taylor Mays…JR was right saying he doesn’t want to draft A gymnast…he’s drafting an entire gymnasium of gymnasts
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening to JPP's interview...
this is a character I want on my team.
ALllllll settling in now. I can see why he’s their dude.
and I still LOL at the back flip video
the guy laughing after JPP’s about 7 flips in is priceless
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He did 27 in a row in full pads
on the special i saw on him, Gymnast or not i am impressed and he is a greeeeat kid
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Free??? is that you?
Man… We were going at it yesterday about this pick. Glad to see you coming over to the darkside.
by blueforever on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm soberer now..
and 8 months of not liking the idea will do that.
It was reactionary…I still hold a lot of that sentiment too…
but I said it somewhere else. Its like I got a tatoo without knowing it. Gotta deal with it..and it could do wonders.
Like get Erin Andrews on my sack
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
maan
i think he looks slam like TO lol
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
His arms look like TO's
how they drop all the way to his ankles while he is standing straight up haha, I cant wait, this kid is going to be reeeeeeediculous
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
It's been said but...
…he’s a boom or bust. On the bright side, he can play right away. “See quarterback. Hit quarterback.” But he’s raw-er than sushi, reminds me of Kiwi in every way, and, unless he turns out to be an absolute beast, doesn’t solve our Stay-Puft Marshmallow Middle of the defense problem.
Of course, when ya think about it, the first round isn’t really where the action is anyway.*
Ask me again after tonight.
*Unless you pick 2-10. There’s some good stuff there.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Kiwi was a much more accomplished collegiate player than JPP
Physically though thet are similar. Kiwi fell to late rd 1 cause he got destroyed in 06 senior bowl
Must admit that is pretty freaky..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Isn't it a curious thing that another Giants player or two started playing football late in HS?
Some of you know who I’m talking about.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Strahan didn't even play in High School, for one. He was in Germany.
Now we have a ‘Bama Bruiser(Tuck), a Nigerian Chief(Osi), the grandson of a Kenyan President(Kiwi) and “The Haitian Sensation”(JPP) as our DE corps. We’re the friggin UN.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Yesssss
Everyone seems to be coming down off their respective ledges and understanding that this kid is excellent for us, I am overjoyed at the possibilites and we have 6 more picks, The Beast is ours
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Thanks for that video
Showed both the good and bad. He is very raw, and will def need some coaching up. But he’s def got the talent. I like how he plays the pass. He really knows how to disrupt a QB. Some good hitting, and quite often had to be double-teamed and held. Contained when he had to, crashed when called for. He’s obviously listened to his coaches, so that’s a good sign. Tends to quit a bit early on some plays, which I don’t like. I want balls to the wall between whistles, I don’t care if you’re away from the play.
NFL coaching, plus veteran leadership should help turn this kid into an impact player.
Had pretty much the same thoughts as you
I think that JPP is going to be a player one play that got me excited was him running across the field to tackle the RB for a loss. He’s very talented for sure.
Very raw talent
He got owned on the qb draw a couple of times. His tackling technique needs improvement. But the skills are there for sure. Not too hard to see that. I still take Morgan there. Proven player in a proven Conference. Isn’t that Jerry’s MO? They must really think they can coach him into the next Jevon Kearse. Fingers crossed!
Jevon is who he will be
in 2 yrs, Deacon Jones is who he will be in 5 yrs
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
the big east isnt that bad especially compared to the ACC
cinci, pitt, wv, north carolina…come on they had far better teams the past two years than the ACC have had.
scared money dont make money
seen that too..
I mean the video shows he’s raw..but to be honest….you look at tape of comeone like Morgan or Graham, exactly..what more are they doing then JPP?
If this kid’s “raw”..yup, sky’s the damn limit.
I’m erect
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome.
Get the MLB now.
Eli’s jack of all trades in round 3?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Weight
I wonder what the Giants think he should weigh once they get him in the weight room and bulk him up a little. He definitely looks like he could put 10-15 lbs on and still keep his speed. Then he might become a 3 down guy that could play the run as well. OK, gotta stop dreaming and see what he becomes.
On to the rest of the draft!
He' skinny..
yet he’s 270lbs.
He couild carry that 10-15..I think no problem.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
he wasn’t even the best end on his college team.
I’d say there is about a 5% chance that he becomes a good player.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
DAMN
thats like 500 comments on one pick hope all seven garner this much attention
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
We made besides the Jags and Broncos possibly the balliest move
Look sometimes a player is labeled as only “this” or only “that”. Some of that has to do primarily what he was asked to play like in college. Pro football gives you several years of learning how to get better. Have we not won a Super Bowl with TC? JR probably didn’t come to this conclusion on his own. Sintim who has loads of talent can learn how to play the way we want him to. Give it time. Rookies who don’t get much field time is usually a good thing. They have to learn all new terminology and new playbooks. New scheme to utilize their talents. JPP has the most upside of any pick including Tebow. He has every credential you want from a player. Well love it or hate it, this pick, Jason Pierre Paul, is our 1st round investment. We all will now be big fans of him and JR can laugh at all of us…not GMs or scouts, as he is a perennial Pro Bowler 10 years down the line.
Hopefully
JR will have better success drafting a d-lineman then we’ve had with other 1st rounders. It’s been 40 years since we drafted Fred Dryer. We’ve drafted a few good ones but none were stars.
Tom Coughlin was just on with Francesa
at the new stadium. i have no links, but i’m sure it’ll be up on wfan.com soon. Anyway, a few things that stood out to me:
- TC said the one thing that stood out to him watching JPP is that he has a high motor, and doesn’t take off any plays. maybe that was a veiled shot at McClain, since some thought that he slowed up when he was out of a play.
-“Osi’s a New York Giant.” that’s the quote when Francesa asked about his status. TC doesn’t know where the rumors started about osi, but adamantly said that osi is going nowhere, and that you can’t have enough edge rushers especially when that was one of there problems last year, that they didn’t get to the QB. from his tone, IMO, it seemed that Osi will be in blue come sept.
- When asked about Jacobs, he said he’s fully running and working out. What I found interesting was that he bought up Ahmad, AND Andre Brown, who Francesa said he saw working out. He also bought up D.Ware, and Gartrell, but for him to go out of his way to bring up Andre, it makes me hopeful that they think he will be that missing piece in the running game this year. Again, it could be pie in the sky on my end, but what is there if there isn’t hope right?
overall, good interview, TC seemed to hint also towards bringing that pressure on D, so Tampa 2 doesn’t sound like its set in stone. just wanted to report for those who aren’t in the NY area.
Nice post, Dre, thanks.
I can’t remember where I read it, but, Fewell said in an interview that he will only bring a couple Tampa 2 elements to mix in with an agressive scheme. Pass rush and a solid back end will be the keys to the defense. Every player has to hold his area down.
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no prob
btw here’s the link: http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=4594876
i don’t know if you want to post this interview Ed or CJ, but anyway that’s the whole interview.
yeah, tom seemed like he wanted to get back to more pressure on the QB, from his comments. i’m getting more and more excited for this season.
i think the missing piece of the running game was the oline
getting older and losing a step.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't don't about that mc..I think our guys were too hurt to hit holes quickly enough.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
maybe
but maybe our other guys were also too hurt to make the holes big enough?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
JPP looks like a slimmed down William Joseph clone
with a bad back, physically imposing and a work-out warrior but weak in the mental department. He is more of a bust or boom. The solid choice who could fill right in at the LB position of need at that time was Witherspoon.
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