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Jason Pierre-Paul: The Reaction

Well...that happened. They say bad things come in threes, and my draft watching story seems to prove that. I was at a bar last night, watching my nightmare first round play out in seemingly slow motion. I told my friend (a Dolphins fan) that there was only one person in this entire draft I would be disappointed if the Giants took. "Honestly", I said, "they can take literally anyone eligible for the draft and I won't be as annoyed as if they take Jason Pierre-Paul." Obviously it was hyperbole, but I don't know how far off it was from the truth. When the Giants were on the clock, I sat, transfixed, staring at the screen. When ESPN flashed an image of Pierre-Paul talking on his cell phone, tearing up, I started to lose it. "No, this can't be happening...anyone but Pierre-Paul. Maybe they're on the phone telling him 'sorry, but we went another way.' Please give me some good news, Roger" Just as Goodell started to announce the name I had been dreading, our attractive young waitress spilled about a quarter of a pitcher of beer into my lap. The Dolphins fan joked that it was a pretty terrible minute for me. It wasn't over. Before Goodell was done speaking, another friend across the table reached for his glass and knocked it into a small cup of barbecue sauce, which of course also landed in my lap. Within a minute, the Giants had drafted Jason Pierre-Paul and I had ended up with a lap full of beer and BBQ sauce. At least the beer has dried and the BBQ sauce can come out. I'm afraid we're stuck with Pierre-Paul for a lot longer.

I have to be honest with you, Giants fans:  I hate this pick. I've been following the Giants since 1990, and I don't remember ever being this disappointed in a first round pick. I should mention that I loved the Ron Dayne pick, so what do I know? But this pick seems stunningly bad to me on early reflection.

It's easy to overreact to a draft pick, especially now that the NFL (in its infinite wisdom) has divided it up so that the first round stands all by itself. The reaction from Giants fans, both on this site and on some others I've looked at, fans has been overwhelmingly negative (except for those cheering fans at Radio City Music Hall - I can only assume they also were USF Alumni or had won some kind of bet), and a lot of it has been kneejerk. My initial reaction was kneejerk. I hope this post ends up being something more than that, but I can't promise anything.

Star-divide

Who is Jason Pierre-Paul? According to Wikipedia, "Jason Pierre-Paul (born in Deerfield Beach, Florida) is an American football defensive end for the New York Giants of the National Football League" (let that sentence sink in for a few seconds). He "amassed 49 tackles, 14 sacks, 19 tackles for a loss, two forced fumbles, one interception and one fumble recovery as a freshman at College of the Canyons and earned First-team All-WSC and All-America honors." He also "played at Fort Scott Community College (Kansas), where he 70 tackles, 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries and earned First-Team little All-American honors." That all sounds great, except that I have never heard of the College of the Canyons, or the WSC, or Fort Scott Community College (Kansas) and I have no idea what "little All-American honors' means. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that his competition was something slightly below the level of the SEC.

Pierre-Paul then transferred to USF and "played 13 games with seven starts and totaled 45 tackles (16½ for losses) 6½ sacks one interception (returned 18 yards for a touchdown), three passed broken up and two forced fumbles. He was name First-team All-America by Pro Football Weekly for his efforts."  Ok, that sounds decent for a junior, so what did he do as a senior? Wait, he's skipping his senior season? A guy who has only played one season of D-1 football didn't stick around for his senior season? And he was drafted in the first half of the NFL draft? And not by the Raiders? Huh?

He must have at least been the best defensive player in a fairly weak Big East, right? No, that was Greg Romeus. Hmm...he must have at least been the best player left at his position, and it must have been a position of need for the Giants, right? Wait...Derrick Morgan, ACC Defensive Player of the Year, consensus #1 DE was still available? And the Giants still have Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora (who they insist they're not trading), and Mathias Kiwanuka? Did Al Davis and Jerry Reese have some kind of Freaky Friday moment recently?

There are enough knocks against Pierre-Paul that I'm having trouble keeping this post concise. I'll start with the obvious, as mentioned above: he was not a dominant college player. A good player? Sure, I guess. But dominant? Not even close. He put up mediocre stats in a mediocre conference. College performance isn't the be-all, end-all, but I tend to trust guys who dominated in college and be skeptical of guys who didn't. Pierre-Paul falls in the latter group.

Second, there's the analysis by FootballOutsiders, and their "SackSEER" system. Basically, this system measures four variables to determine how good of a pass rusher a prospect will be: vertical leap; short shuttle run; modified sack rate; and, most importantly, missed games worth of NCAA eligibility. This system would have pegged Aaron Schobel, Mario Williams, Andre Carter, Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, and Terrell Suggs as no-doubt prospects had it been around when they were drafted. By contrast, it would have pegged first rounders such as Erasmus James, Robert Ayers, Jarvis Moss, and Jerome McDougle as busts. Pretty accurate system, no? Well, according to SackSEER, Pierre-Paul is one of the most overrated pass-rush prospects of the decade. He is projected to have 3.8 sacks through 5 seasons in the NFL. That's beyond atrocious. I'll let them take over from here:

However, even if we removed the missed games adjustment [BBV note: the most important factor], Pierre-Paul would still have the worst projection in this class. Although Pierre-Paul's "handflips" video has earned him the distinction as the 2010 NFL Draft's consummate physical "freak," he put up poor numbers in all of the workout metrics that matter to SackSEER[...]The ability of Pierre-Paul to translate his particular brand of athleticism to pass rushing success is speculative at best. Overall, the general manager who pulls the trigger on Pierre-Paul better be very confident that he has something special -- so special that it will completely buck the historical trends.

Third, there's the factor of team need. The Giants defense had a lot of problems last year, and certainly their defensive lineman didn't do a good enough job of getting to the quarterback. Mathias Kiwanuka seems to be a very solid all-around end, but he's not an elite pass rusher. Justin Tuck was injured and had a down year by his phenomenal standards. Osi, while still a force in the pass rush, was terrible against the run and had to become a part-time player. Despite these facts, the Giants still have a lot of talent at the defensive end position, probably more so than they have at any other defensive position. Osi was coming off an injury last season, and still did a decent job getting to the QB. Tuck should hopefully be healthy and back to his normal disruptive self next year. Kiwanuka, though he doesn't put up big numbers, does just about everything well. The Giants don't need another pass rusher the way they need a good linebacker, or even a good all-around defensive lineman, be he a dominant tackle or a run stopping end. Unless the Giants are going to trade Umenyiora (which, again, they insist they aren't), this pick doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless the Giants were going BPA and had the misguided opinion that Pierre-Paul was that.

Finally, there's the question of team expectations. The Giants won the Super Bowl 2 years and 80 days ago. They made the playoffs four straight years prior to last year, when they were a monumental collapse away from a fifth consecutive appearance. The Eagles, probably the primary rival in the division, have signaled a youth movement (and, dare I say, a rebuild), with the trade of Donovan McNabb and the release of Brian Westbrook. The Redskins are still the Redskins (i.e. overpaid and underproducing) and the Cowboys are still the Cowboys (i.e. inconsistent and evil), until further notice. The Vikings have a 41 year old QB who has to break down eventually. The Saints have lost a few key players from last years Super Bowl team. The Giants have as good a shot at a return trip the Super Bowl as any team in the NFC, and with Big Brother a year older, Big Ben suspended for 6 games, and the Jets (the Jets!) looking like one of the best teams in the AFC, the road to ring #4 looks pretty wide open for the Giants this upcoming season. With a pick in the first half of the first round for the first time since they took Eli Manning, this seemed like the perfect opportunity to find a guy who could be an impact player right away, who could help them in their quest for another Lombardi Trophy. Instead, they take a guy who, best case scenario, won't be an impact player for two, maybe even three years, if he ever is.

Look, I don't want to be too harsh on this pick. I love Jerry Reese, and up until about 9:15 last night, I've agreed with pretty much every move he's made since taking over for Ernie Accorsi in 2007. I thought his moves in free agency last year were brilliant, even if they didn't quite work out. I was disappointed when he passed on Rey Maualuga to take Clint Sintim in last years draft, but it was easy to convince me that it was the right move. This year, I can't be convinced. This was a bad move. Until Jason Pierre-Paul turns into an all-pro (which should really be the minimum expectancy for the #15 pick), I won't be convinced that this wasn't an epic mistake. I can't emphasize enough how much I hope that someday, when JPP is leading the league in sacks or is lifting a Super Bowl MVP trophy, somebody will shove this post in my face and make me look like a fool. I will root for JPP to prove me wrong every single Sunday from now until he is out of the league. I just fear that I'm correct.

I hate making comparisons to the Mets, but in 2006 the popular Metsblog.com coined the phrase "In Omar We Trust," and even started selling t-shirts with the slogan. When things fell apart in 2007, most Mets fans thought it was a fluke. When they fell apart again in 2008, many of us convinced ourselves that the mistakes were easily correctible, and Omar could fix it. When they fell apart completely last year, it became obvious that our trust had been misplaced. I haven't come to that point yet with Jerry Reese, and I hope I never do. But for the first time since the Super Bowl run, I don't feel entirely comfortable with the phrase "In Jerry We Trust."

On the bright side: the guy we all wanted ended up getting drafted by the Raiders. Maybe it's a good thing the Giants didn't get him. Also, I should point out that despite everything I wrote above, Jerry still has 6 more rounds to play with. That's plenty of time to salvage this draft, especially for a guy who's had so much success with later round picks. Pick up someone like Sean Lee tonight and Toby Gerhart in the third round, and I'll be wearing my "In Jerry We Trust" pajamas again in no time.

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Great post, CJ

My thoughts, which are somewhat different, will be posted later. By the way, the lap full of beer and BBQ sauce is probably what you get for eyeballing the waitress.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Disappointment

I share the pain (after getting drunk I attempted to was an oreo down with what I thought was coke. Turned out to be soy sauce). I’m really hoping that JPP proves everyone wrong that that he’s the greatest Defensive player to come out of the draft. He’s a Giant now, so that’s what I have to hope for him. Problem is that I don’t believe it. Not yet. I remain optimistic that Reese and his staff know something we don’t and that they picked JPP for a reason other than being a big hulking mammoth.

by RolloT on Apr 23, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

i like him better than morgan...

but wow. I just have a lot of trouble justifying this pick. I think he’ll be good at some point, I really do. but I look at the first round or two as- did we get better through this pick? you could argue that this guy will be in the rotation, but I don’t think he’s gonna be any better than the 2 rush ends we have for at least a few years. you take a weatherspoon, dan williams.. even bulaga, we are most likely a better football team. this was a bizarre night.

by dannymac56 on Apr 23, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Loud noise

I went to bed at 6PM ET last night with a view to leaving the computer on and if I woke up I would go downstairs and see how the draft was going.

Well I did wake up at 9.10PM ET, looked at the clock and went back to sleep.

Looking at the fan posts JPP was selected about 9.09PM ET.

So it took a minute for all the collective thuds of heads on tables, bottles at screens, hands to the forehead to cross the pond to wake me up.

I will stay up tonight to watch the second round pick and hope there is not another collective thud heard around the world!

by G Fan in England on Apr 23, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Things to be happy for:

JPP reminds me of Kratos.
Happy they didn’t draft Sean Weatherspoon..at least JPP fits..or at least fits after the Giants staff has to teach him to crawl, walk, run, eat, tie his shoelaces and yes..potty train him.

I can’t think of anything else to be positive on this for. Trust Jerry Reese….I want to. I really do.

Suppose that JPP was according to him the best player on the board..a no brainer..so that means everyone else was not. So I’ll trust him on that.

What happened to the no gymnast stuff? Gymnasts do back flips? Or don’t they?

Regarding personell moves..I don’t think I trust a word this guy says. Osi is not being traded? Well…probably means he can call his travel agent.

Hopefully its to Oakland for Rolando.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I woulda loved Spoon there

but we can agree to disagree on that one… and just be kinda sad.

The gymnast quote does make me feel kinda cheated

by dannymac56 on Apr 23, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh...

Dunno how safe it is to say it…but I’d say that Reese doesn’t feel Spoon’s a MLB. And for that reason, he was never on the radar.

The picture will be a little clearer tonight of course. They draft Sean Lee or ..ugh..Spikes..dammit, then you know that he felt that way.

OR if they don’t draft a LB..then the guys on the roster are who we’re rolling with.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

while I don't agree with Reese's analysis

I agree with your opinion- he doesn’t seemed to have believed he was a good option for them. Honestly, I still would have preferred it, cuz like I said a couple times during the past month, I want us better and faster in the whole lb corps. I don’t hate boley, but he might be a nickel backer… I see Spoon as him with better ability against the run. Plus it woulda been nice to have more than one guy who can cover Jason Witten without having to drop a safety.
I would have been somewhat cool with dan williams too I guess.

by dannymac56 on Apr 23, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't hate

On JPP he is a local boy, close to my second hometown. And he just looks scary….

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 23, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

I hope every last one of you is wrong :)

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 23, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too.

and you too..you know damn well you ain’t thrilled with this

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But I was more mad that Ro and CJ went 8 and 9… Even if we traded up to 10 there was no one I wanted so why not go with a guy people say could be The Freak 2?? Maybe he turns into the hatian sensation that Joseph wasnt lol Besides there is 6 more picks even if JPP is a bust we will have players that can make this draft a good one still.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 23, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

“Haitian Sensation” … I’ll keep my fingers crossed to be hearing that from my television… in 2011 …

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 23, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a little torn, but after getting over the initial reaction, I'm learning to accept it and get behind JR on this one

I haven’t seen game film on him, so I can give a well informed analysis of this kid, but he does look dangerous on the YouTube clips. My niece is attending USF and dates the University President’s son. I’ll see if I can’t get some game film.

I’m still a little pissed off, but it is what it is.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 23, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

There isn't much film to watch..Mostly still-photographs..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 23, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

i broke my $150 harmony remote

and i feel reese just sat down on the" hot seat"……..

by Troy O on Apr 23, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Luckily...

I have a very understanding wife. The string of words that came out of my mouth shortly after the Raiders and Bills picks was…rather impressive. The words after the #15 pick were priceless. [My wife is an Eagles fan (I married the enemy, I know) and I had to explain to her who Graham is.] But, anyway, I am with you CJ, I am not a fan of this pick. There was plenty of #15 talent on the board. This pick scares me and I hope JPP makes me eat my words.

by CCE718 on Apr 23, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

i felt this way about Eli as well

i wanted sean taylor (RIP)so what do i know

by Troy O on Apr 23, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point

To be honest when the Giants traded up for Eli I was sick to my stomach and hated the pick too.

by Late for Dinner on Apr 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember how many wanted Taylor and were pissed over the Eli pick.

That didn’t work out so bad, now did it. Also, how many wanted Robert Gallery? Most of the same scouts we had back then are still with the team, so we have to give credit where credit’s due.

I think the wait between rounds is going to be tougher on the fans than the players.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 23, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest issue to me with this pick

is the issue of need. We need another defensive lineman MORE than anything else? I mean, if it was Suh, that would be one thing. But a player with one year of big time experience (and that in the Big East), who is project at a position of non-need, is really inexcusable.

Some men see Jason Pierre-Paul and say "Why?" I see Jason Pierre-Paul and say "Why not?

by prov2002 on Apr 23, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

yep!

EAGLES GET GRAHAM
DALLAS GETS DEZ
JETS GET REAL NICE CORNER IN WILSON
WE COME HOME WITH A GUY THAT HAS NOT EVEN 7 COLLEGE STARTS UNDER HIS BELT ? really?

by Troy O on Apr 23, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

what would be neat...

is if JPP assumes his potential and is better then all a them.

Maybe if JPP played as many games as Graham, he dominates like that? Graham is relentless..but he’s a T-Rex..an alligator.

Dez is TO part two. And of course who knows if he’s as good as him.

Wilson? Well who cares about the Jest.

We proved in 2007…an elite pass rush tops EVERYTHING. Well…we got the 4 horsemen now. Maybe a 5 headed hydra with Sintim.

Is that it? Could we still be after Brian Price? More pass rushers??? MORE! FEAST!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

cuz there's no doubt...

that JPP has a higher potential then all those guys.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

its like a tatoo that I got in Vegas

when I was really..really drunk.

I woke up..saw it on my arm..wonder why the hell my gelantious bicep has this ugly thing on there? GET IT OFF!!

..but..its there. No choice. To get rid of it hurts more then when I got it.

…but if I work out this arm!

I work out this arm..it could be sweet.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you??

Ever work the arm out?

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 23, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will.

Perry, Coach Nunn, Osi, Justin and Mattias all gonna help me on that :)

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I recommend 22 oz. curls

with constantly reducing weight and not much time between reps and sets

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 23, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simms idea is good..

..I reccomend rigourous masturbation, with not much time in between sets

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sums it up perfectly Troy

and hey, JPP reminds me of TO for some reason. Maybe it’s the overall build or the eyes or something, I don’t know.
 So get a pair of Ray Ban’s on him. And leave him alone, cause that’s my DE for the next decade. OK? sniffle , sniffle

by ronjohnson on Apr 23, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

good post CJ

although you sure sackseer wasn’t designed on the stats of the players you named. Never trust stats they can lie better than a politician.

Second CALM DOWN. You have seemed to focus on the negative as opposed to the positive of this pick. Just look at the chance we have to create something truly nasty. Yeah he’s raw… that’s why we have coaches. Dude has instantly made our D-line an area of competition that will push all of them to excell, and considering last years play in that area of the field… you fill in the blanks.

I’ve got a feeling this guy will not disapoint. It may take a full season to get him up to full size strength and speed (but that is any rookie) but when he gets there I think this guy is gonna prove all of us wrong.

by Flynner on Apr 23, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Reese = Al Davis

I’m sorry this “trust in Reese” crap ended last night hard. Our past successes have been riding the team that Accorsi built. Last nights pick made me look back at the moves Reese himself has made without the rose colored glasses of that SB win. So far he has paid big money for free agents that haven’t produced (sounds like Al Davis). He has also drafted players based on raw physical attributes rather than football talent (Ramses Barden, Clint Sintim, Jason shoot me now Pierre in the head please Paul) that have not been able to turn that “potential” into football. Heck there was even rumor that Reese liked Heward Bey more than Nicks. To make matters worse Al Davis is now actually picking football players (McClain). Did someone somehow do a brain transplant between these two?

by bigblue777 on Apr 23, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

hey now...

Clint Sintim is probably as anti-Al Davis as it gets. He’s more of a football player then workout warrior.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I'm pissed we drafted JPP

There were plenty of other ways we could have gone. Sure I would have been excited to see Spoon get called there, but we could have gone so many other ways to that would have all been better than JPP. The idea of going DE there pisses me off to begin with, but to compound that with picking a player that has no production and just stupid backflips blows me over the edge. If we had takend Morgan like Ed wante I’d probably grumble to myself a bit that we didn’t need another DE, but it wouldn’t have tripped me into this spin of realizing Reese might just be a liability.

by bigblue777 on Apr 23, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just look at it as...

Morgan, while he’s got a low floor and I think a pretty high ceiling…that ceiling is in no way near JPP’s.

So that’s what he did. Took the player with the lower floor, but higher ceiling.

Big gamble..but I suppose if he’s keeping Osi, doesn’t it make sense to get a dude who’s less ready, to learn?

A dude who’s ready to play, but #4 on the chart, doesn’t make sense..does it?

..trying to rationalize

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get trying to rationalize

and eventually the anger will fade and I’ll need to get back behind my team and drink the Reese kool aide again, but right now I’m not liking it. I feel like someone needs to tell Reese there are positions other than pass rusher in the game of fotball.

by bigblue777 on Apr 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree..

but my anger’s already led to lost sleep.

I had to put some kool aid in my coffee

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hes an Accorsi protege.

.dey love dey pass rushers

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes!

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 23, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

bb777.....no one is doing back flips over the pick......

mainly b-c most of us wanted RM or an ILB, but let me encourage & remind you that we had 4 DE’s rotate in 2007 and I’m sure you will agree that if it wasn’t for those guys harassing Brady & his bunch of maggots in SB forty-deuce, we get blown off the field by 20 or more. If we get Lee or D. Washington TCU, a decent OL, perhaps another corner and a TE, hopefully Graham out of UM, we can wiin the division imo IF………our wounded work hard & heal well(particulary Kenny, & both AB’s)……….Let’s go Big Blue!!!

by bankstaylor on Apr 23, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, all good 777

let’s see how tonight shapes up yeah? I would have loved spoon too, but there’s still a TON of talent at the LB pos in 2 and 3

by dannymac56 on Apr 23, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we thinking Lee now?

Or do you look at someone like Donald Butler?

by bigblue777 on Apr 23, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Lee.

it will probably be Taylor Mays tho

or Sun Dial

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't even read this

your headline claims that you wear a helmet and ride the shortbus to school.

by Flynner on Apr 23, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

just kiddin but

you gotta calm down. What’s Reese’s worst top 2 pick????
What grounds do you base an opinion like this. Reese has delivered us a bowl so far, and i don’t think he’s done.

Nor do I think this was a mistake

by Flynner on Apr 23, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Accorsi delivered us a bowl not Reese

That SB team was built by Accorsi. Reese had just taken over. I base this opinion on: So far Canty and Bernard have been overpaid flops. Maybe they turn into something this year, but they sure didn’t last year. When you spend big money in FA one a position one year and everyone lists that position as one of your big needs the next year that is bad. Ramses Barden was picked because he is a big dude, not becuse of his recieving skills. He couldn’t get on the field. Nicks has wored out, but the frst thing they had to say about him was “did you see how big his hands are?” and the rumor is that Reeser wanted track star DHB. Clint Sintim hasn’t proven to be anythign other than a square peg in a round hole. I hope I’m just angry and wrong. I hope that Canty and Bernrd turn it around. I hpe that Rolle isn’t another bad FA move. I hope that JPP is more than a gymnast, but if not we are F’d.

by bigblue777 on Apr 23, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not getting into Reese bashing here...

but you’re leaving out the biggest headscratcher – Travis Beckum, a talent, but with no position, who really doesn’t fit anything we do.

by Cranky50 on Apr 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 year...

killdrive too.

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 23, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, it is just one year....

But who is Beckum going to push out of the offense for playing time? Boss? Smith, Nicks or Manningham? He’s not a blocking TE, he’s not a running back, we’ve got a great corps of young wide receivers and I don’t see Boss, who we underutilize anyway, stepping aside to give him playing time. Prior to last night, it was the one move I never quite figure out – still haven’t.

by Cranky50 on Apr 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea,

The only way i see us taking advantage of his skillset is too add formations to the offense. Creating mis-matches on the edge with lb’s and on spread running plays so he could block db’s…

The giatns pick bpa. beckum is another example. He had great talent but slipped in the draft b/c of a injury i believe.

at any rate, if killbride opens up the offense more this offseason. we could have a lot of weapons for elisha.

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 23, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Beckum was just too damn good to pass up at that spot

and he did have a position for him, H back but gilbride is always slow to work new people in

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

Not every pick is going to work out … that was a head-scratcher, but we will see what happens.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, we don't win that SB without Steve Smith

or Ahmad Bradshaw. He’s also building one of the most well-rounded passing games in the league. Give credit where credit is due

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 23, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

funny:

Jason shoot me now Pierre in the head please Paul)

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 23, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair i think it's a little early to grade last year's draft

fact is, most rookies don’t make an impact. so this year should be the year that we grade Sintim and co. Also, we all know TC doesn’t play rookies. it actually says something in JR’s favor that his 1st round pick got significant playing time last year.

by wilddre22 on Apr 23, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 patience

all of the guys you listed as bad choices have either been hurt or they were rookies.

by Flynner on Apr 23, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sums up my feelings very nicely

I will be super happy to be proven wrong, but right now I feel this was a huge error in judgment as there are a lot more signs of bust than signs of boom.

by brisulph on Apr 23, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

After a proper period of mourning ...

grief counseling and healing, I say all us BBV’ers meet at camp in Albany to film our own video "We’re Down with JPP". Could be the ultimate act of loyalty … or denial …

by Shofner85 on Apr 23, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

in all seriousness

Pick a date, during camp if it comes to Albany. We should all meet at Sutters or the Across the street pub after practice, be nice to have a sit down discussion about our Gmen over a few beers

by Flynner on Apr 23, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm down

I can’t get to Albany, but I’m down with JPP (or at least on my way to convincing myself I am).

by RolloT on Apr 23, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What at least this shows...

is that they have faith in Perry Fewell.

Last year they signed a lot of talent in FA for the D to help Sheridan. This year? They draft a dude they know is a raw player.

Kinda like the Niners not drafting Clausen (or Tebow?)…shows they got faith in their man.

The silver lining gets discovered more and more

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Free..that may be stretching it...

..but that is a hell of a silver lining. And I love it

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure on that one....

Based on TC’s justification of the pick, it sounds like Fewell learned about the pick when we did, which seems a bit curious to me.

by Cranky50 on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

with how wide Fewell plays his ends, he always has them attacking, im sure he was aware and co signed this pick plus i think fewell could care less about this draft, the players we already have makes him excited…….. Dnt forget Antrel and Kenny are still Giants now, I think fewell is still salavating over the possibilities those two safeties provide, this draft is just extra pie on the side for him.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great, grim analysis

As Free said, JR gambled. From what we know of him, it wasn’t a wild and reckless gamble, but rather thoughtful and measured. My prediction is that by mid-year BBVers will be doing back flips over this guy and hailing him as the greatest thing since sliced bread and bottled beer. If proven wrong, I’ll grab some rocks to throw in JR’s direction.

by blue gonz on Apr 23, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

we'll probably all be in a trance

looking at our band new giraffe in pads with a helmet as he’s flying up the LOS.

Kiwi-Tuck-JPP-Osi.

Welp…let em off the leash

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe we didn't get Bulaga!!!

Replace McKenzie with Bulage, Beatty replaces Diehl, Slide Diehl in and PRESTO Brande new offensive line with high quality talent and guys playing their best positions!

That would have been an awesome fix so soon in the draft.

by 732jerseyP on Apr 23, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't agree more, but would have liked Pouncey

That would have made sense because it stabilizes a good unit and extends its natural life.

I’ve been trying to make sense out of this pick and my wild guess is that Fewell may add a 3-4 look. Fewell may want to try a third down front seven of Tuck, Cofield and Alford up front and Sintim, PP, Kiwanika and Boley backing. At least Sintim and Boley will know what to do.

On second thought, this doesn’t make sense, either. Still like JR and will wait to see.
 

by wietecha on Apr 23, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relax fellas...

Lots of people love the pick.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

JPP vs. Graham?

Freak, boom or bust.

Vs. T-Rex, Gator arms..relentless pass rusher

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the player (Graham) a lot. I don’t like the price it cost us to move up 11 spots.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I would say the same if its my team.

Tho maybe that was the Giants boy at #15? That’s the cost, that’s your boy…get em.

Chargers did the same thing….when your in the 20’s and you don’t expect your target to last…you go get em.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. It’s hard to love or hate a draft after a few hours. We all have our snap judgments, but the tired old saying is true… You have to give it a couple years.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

if by "couple years" you mean hours..

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

in the 215, 214 and 202 area codes ...

What did you think of moving up for a ’gator from Michigan.

by Shofner85 on Apr 23, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m in 973… Does that count?

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

thought you would have been 215, 610, or 484.

Mine is 215, but cell is still 201.

Will always be 402 though.

by CCE718 on Apr 23, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moved to N. Jersey for work in NYC.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

973 as well sonnn

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Apr 23, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Eagles fans

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 23, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, unfortunately...

   They root for the Eagles, Cowboys and Redskins though.

by Cranky50 on Apr 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I was being nice! Seeing right through the BS, huh?

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Though I know it's a total lie...

We’ll see who’s laughing when JPP drives Kolb into the turf! Cause it’ll happen! JPP is the best DE EVER. He’s going to replace Tuck probably…

by RolloT on Apr 23, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, hey… I have about as informed an opinion of JPP as my dog does on the stock market, so I’m not about to start blasting this pick. I’m sure the Giants know a lot more about JPP than I do.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

Collectively we all knew we didn’t want him.

by RolloT on Apr 23, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand… But really… How many people on here saw a bunch of South Florida games last year? We all kind of like to pretend we’re draft experts (and I’m guilty of this too), but we’re not… plain and simple. And frankly, the “professional draft experts” themselves have low batting averages. As Jim Mora says “You think you know… but you just don’t know.”

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw plenty...

JPP looks like a giraffe mated with a gazelle out there

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A giraffe?

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s wrong with a giraffe? You could completely eliminate the ability of your opponent to kick field goals and PATs.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh we know

In fact I’m already starting to come around and warm up to the idea, but after months of following draft coverage, picking favorites, and building our fantasy drafts, many of us were horrified when Reese pulled the trigger on a guy people fear is too much hype.

Now that he’s a Giant, I want JPP to be the best football player that ever existed, but he’s not my first choice. We’re just all fans that are getting upset because a football team didn’t do exactly what we wanted them to… and that’s what it means to be a real fan, right?

by RolloT on Apr 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

still keepin osi??

The owner said we are not trading Osi. What were they thinking when they drafted another defensive end???

by AT2344 on Apr 23, 2010 8:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

linebacker???

We need a lb more than anything right now. If we are short on skilled lbs why did we draft JPP? He’s talented but we don’t need him. We need a lb

by AT2344 on Apr 23, 2010 8:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We need a MLB and there was none at #15.

Really…don’t understand the LB argument.

We need one of course, still do..there wasn’t one.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

..Im not a fan of the pick but its very easy to rationalize it.

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

reese is over-rated. one dimemtionable. had no plan b and panicked. none of his free agency signings last year worked out . the super bowl win was great but its long over. to select a total question mark over a proven talent is arrogant. apparently doesn’t have very good intel on other team intentions or could have moved up for mcclain . all posts list witherspoon a solid 2nd choice but he goes with an acrobat. i hope the owner holds both reese and coughlin accountable.

by druze control on Apr 23, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Druze you are really losing your mind

First of all, your nuts if you think any respectable NFL team looks at “all posts” and your telling me that your intel is better than JR’s, get real. He picked JPP over Morgan because he has more upside and he does not need to start, he can learn from some of the best and maximize his immense potential, if we needed a starter it would have probably been Morgan because hes ready now but like i said he is probably just Chris Long who is good but JPP could be the next Deacon. JPP is a great selection for a team with a line like ours…….. oh yeah it seems like your the one thats panicking calling reese over rated….. Michael Boley & Canty will work, that was a ridiculous comment smh.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah by the way

The mara’s and the Tisch’s love JPP as well so dnt worry about Reese and Coughling

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Proven talent?

Sorry, but not one player drafted last night has played a down in the NFL yet. So, no one is ‘proven.’

by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of you guys are being ridiculous

JPP was widely accepted to be the number two DE in the draft. We have kiwi and tuck pegged as starters already. Why not grab the guy with the higher ceiling.

Anybody else would have been a reach except for ipuati.

by B-rod24 on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Hate to say I told you so but......

I TOLD U SO!!

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

UMMMMMM!!

I cant lie dude, everything we say on here is peranent LMAO, just go and look at mine and your discussion prior to this draft yesterday….How can I lie, SMH

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Permanent** (sorry)

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here you go lil hater!!! this is just piece of our exchange

 
I was hating the idea
until I realized JPP would be in the best situation in the world on our D line He would excel by default being around the other excellent linemen, I had to really think about it, its not a bad idea so much to me anymore.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest……. April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 22, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions

 
maybe he could teach Cofield how to do backflips?
BAD idea.

Beer

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 22, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions

 
Screw the Backflips
the Kid behind Kiwi, Tuck, Osi, seems like a familiar situation for us, not a bad idea at all. You guys act like he’s starting LMAO, SMH

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest……. April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 22, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions

 
ever you say….
Beer

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 22, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actio

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see "we will draft JPP"

all I get was it might not be a bad idea.

Which I think too.

Hater? nyet

Truth sayer.

..at least in this case.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was just part of it

didnt feel like going thru all my comments but I did say we will draft him, you even got on me for having JPP above morgan on my lil board but who cares JPP is a Giant and I expect him to make an immediate impact off the bench like Tuck did.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way... The last 2 times the Giants and Eagles each took a D Lineman in Round 1...

2006 – Brodrick Bunkley and Mathias Kiwanuka – Good
2003 – Jerome McDougle and William Joseph – Eh, not so good.

Just some useless info.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Ahaha that is the epitome of random nuggets

But what Im gathering is your trying to promote some solidarity between our two camps Dawk? We either fly together or we both go down together?

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have very similar FO’s, and we both despise Dallas.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

We may get on one another as fanbases

but there is a lot of similarities between the G-Men and Eags.

by brisulph on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it ironic that the G-Men and Eagles both took WR’s in the first round last year as well as a TE later in the draft.

Then this year they both took DE’s.

Once again, useless information….

by Smitty2K3 on Apr 23, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Titans did too...

I sorta throw them in the with Eagles and Giants too..mainly cuz they’re well run with Jeff Fisher there.

They would’ve drafted Hakeem Nicks most likely last year..and probably JPP this year.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, at least

we didn’t pick Tim Tebow in the first round.

by potroast on Apr 23, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Or Alualu

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Apr 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a surprise to me

but not because of his talent but because of the general rankings which clearly mean nothing after that 1st round. He is very very aggresive. I also loved Cincy’s pick which i also said was the best option for them.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

JPP was picked for a couple of reasons

1. Kiwi is a free agent next year and you don’t know that we can or want to keep him on what he will ask for in terms of money. 2. We all think Osi has taken a step backwards so if we do believe that then now we have two sets of DE’s(kind of) to switch in and out and save for the end of the year. 3. Say Osi picks it up this year and JPP can give a little help (Like Tuck did during the Superbowl year) because remember Tuck wasn’t a full time starter and played all up and down the line(not comparing Tuck to JPP just the rest factor). Then Depth you have!

Look I’m not a huge fan of the pick, hell I wanted lupati after Rolo and Spiller were gone but if anything this pick was made for the future of the club not really right now. I think tonight you will see us get a couple of picks that are of need (LB- Lee,Bowman,Chaney, etc…) and I think we will get a DL so as much as we don’t like the JPP pick maybe just maybe the fact that we are getting depth may help us this year but more importantly help next year and the nexat year etc…

Right or are going to tear me up?

by LT56 on Apr 23, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess my board from yesterday was dead on

I was trying to explain to free why the Gymnast comment from JR was not about JPP, when you read the portion that Ed put up you would draw that conclusion but when you watch the interview I didnt get that from it at all. I had JPP above Morgan and Iupati and I got ridiculed, I said JPP fits us perfect because he doesnt have to start yet, the only person that was above him on my board that we had a shot at was ET who wouldve been the pick if Seattle didnt grab him…….. I am absolutely thrilled about the JPP pick because i understand it.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

You guys need to relax

JPP may not be the pick we were all looking for but this kid is now a NEW YORK GIANT, and as a fan i may not agree with it but you better believe i will stand behind Reese’s decision. You all keep saying that JPP doesnt have the experience which is true, but how about the fact that this kid has succeeded every where he’s played and every where he’s played he’s had to learn a new system i think that alone speaks volumes for his learning abilities and add that to the fact that he is 6’5" 270lbs! He has the potential to be a BEAST, and maybe not this year but what about next year when either Osi or Kiwi isnt here anymore?

by BigBlueCrew on Apr 23, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha yeah, but Prisco also desperately needs a thesaurus

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Apr 23, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

JPP, whatever

may be good, may never start a game.
The reason I’m disappointed here is because we really could have used a bolstering of the O-Line with clear, safe bets like Bulaga or Iupati.
Our offense started turning good this year, but this O-Line is getting old and isn’t going to make it through this year uninjured again. The value was absolutely there — I can’t BELIEVE the Pack got Bulaga in the late 20s! — and it was an area of need.
I think the Giants really dropped the ball here by going project at an overstocked position when there is clear value and low bust potential in an area of need. Behind a stronger, younger O-Line, this offense could really start to open up — and the run game would improve, too.

I generously give this pick a D. Even if JPP turns into an all-pro, it can’t get better than a B. Because we really passed up a clear, obvious opportunity to improve the O-Line, which really needs it.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

+1 on OL esp with RO gone...

but I think I’ve warmed up to JPP already, afterall he is a Giant now…no use trying to rationalize it since, my thoughts on it don’t matter anyway, only JR’s pick matters…whether it’s a bust or not…but definitely hoping for the best…
ah…
Ready for day 2 now!!!

Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...

by 27Tango on Apr 23, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raw player, but a monster at that. He's got a few quality guys to learn behind.

Besides, he was well coached at USF by Jim Leavitt and only had one year to adjust to a major jump in the level of copmpetition. I’m guessing a pro training camp will reap dividends.

I’m going to take a wait and see approach to this.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes Sun

Thats exactly why I think he was a great pick and who i predicted they would go with, its because you CANNOT pass up on a kid with that type of potential especially when you have good DE’s already and he will combine there knowledge with his skill and be the most explosive DE in the NFL we have seen in a while, Oh yeah he is also good enough to slide to SAM if somethin happens to sintim, i wouldnt put all that on him unless he shows the mental capacity though! but we got an excellent player.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most value charts had him as a top ten, so it was a good value for a "freak of nature".

I never attempted to get game film of him becuase, like many of us, I didn’t give him a chance. Now that I look at what clips are available everything that the Giant’s staff said is making sense. He’s very, very raw, but he has a few pass rush moves and he just swats people down like they are a “ragdoll”.

I don’t know about you, but even with being a 3 year member of an MMA gym, this kid looks scary and I wouldn’t be so quick to challenge him. Besides, I’m getting older and have gotten smart enough to not challenge anybody I don’t know outside of a controlled environment(ring), especially a beast of a kid like this.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definetly

I want you to see this special on him and his physical attributes, its amazing he hit the bag with more force than any NFL player who has ever done the same challenge im talkin Ray Lewis and all. He is raw but he can be he’s got 3 potential pro bowlers in front of him and i still expect him to challenge for and get playing time, I dont even care what happens to Osi anymore…………….. dnt fault yourself many of us in here that say they didnt want him never even watched the kid they just went with the crowd, Im tellin you once we see him on the field, its over, to be honest if he returned to school, he wouldve been the #1 pick next year IMO

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

upload the video

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 23, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it last night

if Trent Williams wasn’t available for the raiders at No.8, they were going to take McClain. it was just a rumor, but it made sense. When Al Davis LOVES a guy, he LOVES a guy.

by Nfpdawg on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Sintim taken AFTER Maualuga

I think that fact actually strengthens your point though… because then you didn’t have any gripes with Resse.

by DTowbs on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

you're right

I remembered that incorrectly – a lot of us were actually hoping he would take Maualuga instead of Nicks in the first (thank God he didn’t), and then we were hoping he would trade back up to take Rey, which he also didn’t.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Apr 23, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, onto the MLB sweepstakes.

If we draft Spikes, some of us will never recover. Lee, Chaney, Angerer, Butler, Bowman or even later, Muckleroy. Who knows. We’ve done pretty well in round 2, so let’s settle down and move on.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

FML was my first reaction

I just thought we’d settle for Spoon or grab Iupati or definitely Morgan. But oh well. JPP is a Giant now…yay, I guess. I have posted before that, I think he has great potential and I really don’t think he will be a bust because he’s fought thru a lot to get where he is and he has a lot to prove (I said all of that believing that JPP would never be a Giant), but lets just relax, I don’t think this was a make or break pick for us. Everything will be ok, I’ll just keep telling myself that. Look at it this way, Osi, Kiwi, and now JPP are all hungry right now and I think the competition will be fierce. Everyone who has been repeating the mantra “In Reese We Trust”, we can’t just flip flop now and throw Reese to the wolves..The Al Davis comparion was a little rediculous too, that was shameful and disrespectful. I still trust in Reese, and unless we miss the playoffs again next season, I’ll still trust in him. Welcome JPP!

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I gotta believe Vacchiano's Big Board was correct

McClain, Spiller, Iupat, JPP, Weatherspoon.

I think that was the debate. Iupati vs. JPP.

I kinda think they made the right call

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Would have loved Iupati!!!

ON a sidenote,look out for Frank Gore in fantasy football draft next year…if you partake that is.

by Shaunthegiant on Apr 23, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think its just that...

JPP’s got higher upside.

Elite OG vs elite DE? That’s the upside of each..that’s a no brainer.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

His upside is Deacon Jones who would pass that up, by the way thats who Tennessee wanted, they settled for Morgan…… This is the second year in a row that we took their top prospect at the same position and they ended up settling for another good player with less upside……. matta fact thats the relation I want you guys to consider Nicks will be to Britt what JPP will be to Morgan, they will all be good but Nicks and JPP will be dominant stars, Britt and Morgan are solid players who will be very good.

Hakeem Nicks——— Kenny Britt
JPP——— Dan Morgan

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget Maclin

and Brandon Graham.

Eagles did the same stuff as us..and traded up to get the same positions as well.

I think in all the cases the Giants got the player with the most potential too. Nicks has the best potential for the WR and I think JPP’s got that for the DE’s.

Probably a bit homerish…but who the hell cares. F the Eagles

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll stick with what I said in a post a couple of months ago...

in wrongly saying that Reese wouldn’t pick JPP. JPP is boom or bust, and if it works out, you tip your hat to the executive that had the guts to take him, and if it doesn’t, it’s the kind of move that can sink a franchise for years. We’re either going to be errecting a statue to Reese in a few years, or opperating without him. It’s a bet your career and the organisation’s credibility type move, and it’s dramatic and overwhelming if it works, and a dull thud of the door on the way out if it doesn’t. I’ll hope it works, but it’s not a pick I’d have made.

by Cranky50 on Apr 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

yes. YOU

YOU were the one who guaranteed it.

Bastard.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Article is Right on

I wish, just ONE YEAR, that the Giants would actually select someone that fills a need in the first round (I know-hyperbole). I scratched my head when we picked Kiwi, and I’m scratching my head over this one. Despite having a down year in pass rush last year, to say that DE is a position of need for the Giants is insane. WHO THE HELL is going to play MLB for the Giants this year? One of the guys on our roster? I don’t think so. A late round pick? If Jerry is NOT trading one of our DEs for an MLB then this is the dumbest move ever.

by MisterFurious on Apr 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

You answered your own question

The Giants MLB will be A) Jon Goff B) Gerris Wilkinson C) TBD non 1st round MLB

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is..

its a real big problem..is WHO?

WHO is this mysterious MLB in the 1st round he was supposed to draft? McClain. That’s it. He’s gone.

so, no MLB.

I get the feeling that if the Giants drafted Joe Schmo from Ohio State. 6"2 250 MLB…people would be happy.

Not realize that Joe Schmo is a friggin janitor in real life.

There is more to a draft then the first round.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said free B

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Schmo is a janitor?!

damnit!

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 23, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJP

I have been rootin for the Giants for over 30 years. This pick is a WTF for me. I dont understand the logic here. A huge project at #15 again WTF. This kid will ride the pine for at least a year if not more agin WTF. I am hungover and sick to my stomach. I thought i would wake up this morning and realize it was all a bad dream but alas it is not. Welcome to NY JPP. Please can we do something right in round 2and 3. PLEASE!

by costanza! on Apr 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

JPP the SAM (Maybe) dnt think hes mentally ready for that though but athletically he can

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

Sintim isn’t going anywhere near the middle. Read what Reese has said, and that is not happening.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So where's Mclaren

with his overreacting self? i’m curious as if a good(or bad) nights sleep cooled him down a lil…

by wilddre22 on Apr 23, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe a trade with Oakland/STL. is in the works?

Maybe we get Mcclain and their 2nd for…..I don’t know…just hoping there is more to this pick and…I don’t know…a mega trade involving vets and picks…something JR…WTF!

by Shaunthegiant on Apr 23, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts exactly...

I was furious when JPP and I said the exact same line. I will be happy with anyone but Pierre Paul then boom. It happened.

by JRSu1 on Apr 23, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

JPP vs MORGAN & IUPATI

This pick will be boom or bust depending on Derrick Morgan’s career. Iupati’s success will be gut wrenching also. Those were the 2 players i was screaming for but we went with the unproven one, i just hope JPP is better then both and hope i don’t know shit…….Considering the players that were available it’s easily the riskiest pick iv’e ever seen the giants take, BACK FLIPS ? Who Gives a SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BigBlueD on Apr 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Goodbye to Reese and Coughlin

I wish Reese and Coughlin luck in their job search next year. This draft pick will be a bust.

by bongoman19 on Apr 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

"I should be a GM"

you should have added that line to the end of your comment. It Would have matched perfectly!

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Apr 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You my friend no nothing

They won a superbowl, even if this pick is a bust the last 10 werent so they keep their jobs…….. no disrespect to you at all but people that say stuff like that piss me off, he is one of the best coaches and he is one of the best GM’s period, who do you want to replace them???? nevermind hold that thought!

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm drinking the Koop aid, and I'm always optimistic

This guy has all the tools necessary to be a dominant edge rusher. We have by far the deepest and most explosive set of ends in the league. We have 2 Pro Bowlers in the rotation to groom this “freak of nature” as well as an excellent coaching staff. JPP may have left us a bit confused but this pick has the making of a monster steal. Bank on it. We will address our LB and OL depth in the next few rounds. Sean Lee, Kyle Calloway, or Chaney and Jon Jerry. And don’t think Spikes is out of the picture.

by wangstu13 on Apr 23, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

ahhhhhhhhh

I don’t see how this pick could work out for us at all.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Let the guy get on the field

Then we will see how it will work out. We don’t know how any of the picks will work out for anybody. Shoot, as much as many wanted Spiller for the Giants, he is a terrible pick for Buffalo. You just don’t know until they play for a while.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 23, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, didn't care to read it..

I hate to be an ass, but seriously, get over yourselves. I think this is a good pick with potentially great upside. He reminds me a lot of Tuck, helps solidify our DL that did struggle last year.

So what, the guy’s got raw talent and needs training. We have plenty of lineman who can take snaps in the meantime.

And you’ll probably say that’s the problem, already have too much invested in our line. Well, I have a feeling Osi will be traded, maybe after the draft like Shockey was. And, there’s nothing wrong with stacking your DL for depth. Plus, who else were we supposed to take? I would of been OK with us taking an OL, but the Giants have a knack for finding OL gems in the later rounds.

When it comes to D-Lineman, I honestly trust Reese. As far as other positions, we’ll see…

by one-bar on Apr 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Raiders

SAVED us last year from drafting a big time bust . I hope this is not a payback . Hopefully our SAVIOR , duplicate last year .

By the way Free ; cut me some slack Bro , I just did my homework that’s why I guaranteed it .I was on the same boat with you , don’t like it either .

by nickyb4898 on Apr 23, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

slack..

I was actually agreeing with you on Sintim

Maybe you call that one again..who knows? I coulda swore Reese threw him in there with the MLB possibilities.

And yes..maybe the Raiders “saved us” again. Or maybe we drafted teh bust this time and they got the DREAM (HAKEEEEEEEM) pick.

I still think I’ma get a McClain jersey. Aside from Giants blue..what better uni for McClain then Silver and Black?

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey 'Free'

You told me Tebow was a 3rd rounder, 2nd at best for sure…

Hate to say it, but I told you so…

by one-bar on Apr 23, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

yup. +1

but you can’t say you ain’t surprised. I do think it was similar to a Josh Freeman otype pick..a team from out side the first round came in and scooped him up.

He plays a premium position..and well…I don’t think there’s a higher character dude in the draft.

Tebow + McDaniels is probably just crazy enough to work

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

For once, we agree. Well put.

But what is with all this hating on the JPP pick? I think he’s the second coming of Tuck, and I’m perfectly happy with that. However, being a Michigan fan, I wish we would of grabbed Graham instead of Philly. Now we have to see him twice a year and I’m telling you, he’s a bad man.

by one-bar on Apr 23, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I've been saying for a long time..JPP is a workout warrior.

which..he is. It was one of the picks I hated..so well..why would I go and love it cuz the Giants picked him? IF anything…I’d hate it more.

But the more I look at em..even in the highlights..well..you look at Brandon Graham or Derrick Morgan and really, its not like JPP seems any worse then them.

He’s going by pure raw athleticism..and doing what he did. Reese said this guys’ got as much potential as anyone in the draft…

He’s got the potential to be basically a dude the size of Tuck with the speed of a young Osi. Sheeeeet.

And we don’t have to play em all that much to start either. He can basically just come out there and use that raw athleticism as he learns and watches from 3 of the best DE’s in the NFL.

ANd as for that 2nd rounder…I say bring in more. F the LB’s. Jon Goff will look like an All-Pro if every single QB’s gotta run for their life every play.

As for Brandon Graham..yea, he is a bad dude. Gonna be interesting watching (hopefully) Beatty go against him

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 23, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again

I guarantee Sintim going to be very good at MLB . Now he knows the playbook , also he’s going to be more comfortable in he’s second year .

Tuck
Boley
Sintim
Canty
Alford
Osi
Pierre-paul

LOOK OUT !!!!

by nickyb4898 on Apr 23, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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