Jaguars trade away Quentin Groves: Trade for Osi coming?
This might not seem like big news, but I think this deal could be the precursor for a draft-day trade. The Giants front office has definitely being asking around about trading Osi Umenyiora, I don't think that's a smokescreen. Something like that definitely would have multiple sources from multiple front offices, unlike the standard crud that coaches and GMs start spewing, leading up to the draft (see: Josh McDaniels and Dez Bryant).
So here's what I think's going down: The Giants' 1st round (15th overall pick) and Osi for the Jaguars' 1st round (10th overall) and possibly a 3rd or 4th round pick (maybe conditional?). *Note that the Jags don't have a 2nd rounder.
The Jaguars biggest weakness for the past couple years has been their pass rush. They've tried everything the past two years, drafting 2 pass rushers (Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves) in the first 2 rounds, switching to a hybrid 3-4 front, even signing their 3rd defensive coordinator in 3 years last year. The only solution that they haven't tried, and that I suspect they're going for this year, is signing/trading for experienced pass-rushers.
Yes, I realize they signed Aaron Kampman. He, however, is recovering from a torn ACL. If his recovery goes anything like Osi's, he'll be nowhere near 100% this upcoming season, and the Jaguars know it too.
And if they make this trade, maybe they can save a bit of cash for when they take Football Jesus Tim Tebow.
So now I think I've explained why the Jags would make a trade. Why would we move up to the 10th pick? I think it should be obvious.
There are a ton of players that have been linked to the Giants: Rolando McClain, CJ Spiller, Sean Weatherspoon, Jason Pierre-Paul, Derrick Morgan, Mike Iupati... the list goes on. However, none of them stand out except for one guy, Rolando McClain, the monster 6-4, 256lb ILB who was the defensive leader of Alabama's National Championship-winning team. He'll likely be gone by the time the Giants pick at 15; Denver being the most likely suitor.
Why hasn't this happened yet? I suspect this trade, if it happens at all, will take place when the Jaguars' pick comes up. There's always the possibility, unlikely as it is, that KC or Oakland snatch up McClain first. Obviously we're not going to break the bank to move all the way up to pick 5, regardless of the bizarre "OMG! TRADE OSI AND A PAKC OF USED CONDOMS FOR THE 1ST OVERALL PICK!!! SUH IS GOD!!!" movement on BBV.
So what should the Giants do? Sit and wait for a player that fulfills a secondary need? Or be aggressive and take the best player that fills the greatest need on the roster? I say we need to get this trade done!
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Like I said
Jacksonville traded away its 2nd rounder to New England, so obviously they want a second round pick. They could take our offer, then try to trade down from 15, but that might be unlikely. All the teams thats willing to trade down might already have before pick 15, who knows?
This is ridiculous in my opinon. Trade Osi and a 3rd rounder and move up 5 slots for McClain? I know a lot of people view McClain as a can’t-miss prospect, but I think the Giants can live without this guy and can find good value in the later rounds.
What if its Osi and our 2nd rounder
for #10? McClain AND Spiller? McClain AND Morgan (ugh..or JPP)
Never happen? Probably. Don’t care.
Jags are a cash strapped team..its even been talked about that they’d draft Tim Tebow in the first round.
Maybe they sweeten the pot by swapping our third and their 4th?
Beer
McClain and Spiller = Superbowl
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on one of the value charts I googled up (probably inaccurate I know)
The difference is between 10 and 15 is an early 3rd rounder. Osi’s definitely worth more than that. That’s why I think the Jags would have to add another pick to go along with the 10th.
if shockey was a 4th
and coming directly off an injury.
why would other teams offer a 2nd rnder for a guy who is still recovering from a serious knee surgery, which valued into him being raped on run plays last year.
I personally value Osi higher than a 3..but thats me, a giants fan.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
By the time the season starts
It’ll have been 2 years since his injury. Injuries don’t take that long to rehabilitate, unless it’s actually permanently damaged, in which case we’re shit out of luck. And it’s not like he wasn’t getting raped in the past too… He’s always been a pure pass rusher.
and im not saying he still is hurt
but a meniscus injury is one that OTHER gm’s would de-value (word?) him. Osi hasnt been great against the run no, but last year it was ugly..getting driven back at the poc. terrible angles of pursuit. Maybe the limelight was shined on him b/c the defense as a whole was underperforming. but it was ugly to say the least to see how Osi as a individual was doing
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
ugh.. dont know how i messed that up
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Intersting idea.
afaik, I doubt the giants are actively shopping osi. They’re definitely listening to ideas.
If I was JR and the Jags were on the clock and offered this trade, I’d definitely be tempted. This trade actually makes sense.
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There's a new report
The Raiders have Rolando McClain as the No.2 pick on their board if Trent Williams isn’t there at the 8th overall pick. The Giants may have to actually trade up with Kansas City to get McClain, who are also reportedly very desparate to trade down.
I’m not a big fan of McClain so I personally would not give up a 2nd round pick for him.
theres also a report
that the raiders love mike iupati and want to convert him to tackle
add-ons
Only if they agree to take Guy Whimper as well. And maybe Moss. And they can have Bernard too.
I would be willing to make the trade, because I think a 3rd/4th rounder gets us a good DE to try and replace Osi. I’m undecided as to whether or not it is a good idea.
At this point, I think those guys are practically worthless
My grandma has a stack of coupons that I’m sure would be more useful to the Jaguars than freaking Moss.
bernard gets another pass
he had the same injury as tuck..just didnt come out until the end of the year with news on it
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
I don't see it
Groves is just terrible. They were just doing whatever they could to get anything back for him.
I’m not saying that they won’t trade Osi to the Jags but this move doesn’t have anything to with that
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 22, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions
Most teams don't trade away an early 2nd round pick that quickly...
First rounders, maybe. They’re expensive. Late guys, cause you can get greater value than what you originally invested. But 2nd and 3rd rounders are supposed to be the most cost effective players on the team. And I don’t know much about the Jags other than that their pass-rush was abysmal in general, and they tried to play him out of position as a 3-4 End-backer, but he couldn’t have been much worse than Sintim or Gholston, right?
in other news
my dad has bought three jerseys in his life. 1 Tiki. 2. Plax 3. Osi
im not letting him get another one.
by the way...
McClain looks like a half taped Mummy in the pic…
but I could see this as something that could possibly happen, and if it does…
sounds good to me – but I would rate Osi as a 4th rounder at this point, just b/c it’s all question marks for this year, even though the ceiling should be high for him to get back into the swing of things after a dysmal last year (understandably so, with the recovery and all)…
can’t wait, is it time yet?
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Getting rid of Groves just means
They will draft Morgan or JPP.
and Ro Mac looks like he just lost the War in that pic
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
heelll nah
in a true war. your going to get messed up.. a war your going against another brolic contender. not some pushover.
he looks ready for war. even after being banged up.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Ready for war is Pads and a Helmet to me!!
Underwear and bandages on a Man in a big ass picture, ill pass
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
LOL
Sorry!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
that's a lie
Cody’s a friggin one down defender…he was barely on the field, he’s sucking Oxygen on the sidelines more then he’s ever on the field.
Ro played more without Cody on the field, then he played with Cody on the field.
Beer
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 22, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
well.....I've been saying it since October...Cody's a fat pile who's off the field more then he's on
..so, take that for what its worth
Beer
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont like the guy myself
u dont see guys going in the 1 st or 2nd if they are on the field for 1 down…but i get your point
too bad your buddy ain't the GM!
I mean that in all seriousness
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by Simms-McConkey on Apr 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Osi +15 for 10? Sure.
Get McClain and maybe Dunlap falls?
Soitanly.
SIX MINUTES TO GO!
I left my swagger in my other pants.

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