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CJ's Big Blue View Mock Draft

Good morning Giants fans. In case you've been living under a rock, the NFL Draft is coming up on Thursday night. Ed and I have been preparing for the draft pretty much from the moment the Giants season ended. Now that it's almost here, we decided to do a little something different, and something that I, for one, have never done before. I have completed my own first round mock draft. Originally this was supposed to run yesterday in lieu of a Mock Draft Monday, but there were some technical difficulties on my part which Ed thankfully helped me out with, so I apologize for the lack of a post yesterday afternoon.

Take a look at my mock after the break, hope that I'm terribly wrong (for the Giants sake), and leave your thoughts, praise, or ridicule in the comments section. Happy Tuesday!

Star-divide

1. St. Louis Rams -- Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma. If I were drafting here, I'd take Suh or even Eric Berry, the two best players on the board in my opinion. If I was forced to take a QB, I'd go with Jimmy Clausen. Clearly, I'm not a fan of this pick.

2. Detroit Lions -- Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska. Last year I criticized the Lions for taking Matthew Stafford instead of building up their lines, but it seems to have worked out for them, as the best defensive line prospect in years falls into their laps.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma. McCoy inherits the legacy of Warren Sapp. Can he live up to the hype?

4. Washington Redskins -- Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma. This pick became a no-brainer after the McNabb trade.

5. Kansas City Chiefs -- Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa. I would have taken Berry here, but apparently the Chiefs are leaning towards Bulaga.

6. Seattle Seahawks -- Eric Berry, S, Tennessee. Safety has become an increasingly important position in the NFL (look at the Steelers without Polamalu or the Colts when Bob Sanders is healthy, or the Gi…actually, let's not talk about that), and Berry has the potential to be the best player in this draft.

7. Cleveland Browns -- Earl Thomas, S, Texas. The Browns miss out on Berry by one pick, but Earl Thomas is a nice consolation prize.

8. Oakland Raiders -- Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma. He's not quite the workout warrior Anthony Davis is, but he put up impressive enough combine numbers to impress Crazy Al. The Raiders will give JaMarcus one year behind an improved offensive line to see if he can turn into a passable NFL QB. My bet: nope.

9. Buffalo Bills -- Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers. Just a hunch - I think the Bills are going to trade for Jason Campbell, and will try to do what the Redskins haven't been able to do: block for him.

10. Jacksonville Jaguars -- C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson. I expect the Jaguars to trade down, but if not there's been some buzz that they are looking closely at Spiller. A large percentage of BBV rejoices.

11. Denver Broncos -- Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama. And the rejoicing stops. I considered having Dez Bryant here, but realized it was just wishful thinking on my part. McClain makes too much sense for the Broncos to pass up.

12. Miami Dolphins -- Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee. Bill Parcells likes his big nose tackles (remember Jim Burt?), and nobody fits that mold better than Williams in this draft. Starting NT Jason Ferguson is 35 years old and is suspended for 8 games next year, so this pick makes a lot of sense.

13. San Francisco 49ers -- Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech. Morgan is the best defensive player left in the draft, and I wanted to make sure to get all the really attractive options off the table before the Giants pick. Let's just say I hope my predictions for this draft are as off as when I predicted "Avatar" would be a flop...

14. Seattle Seahawks -- Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame. The oft-injured Matt Hasselbeck is 35 and his contract expires after the season. I see Pete Carroll (who heavily recruited Clausen once upon a time) taking his QB of the future here.

15. New York Giants -- Mike Iupati, OL, Idaho. Ugh. Pretty much the nightmare scenario for the Giants. They can either reach for someone like Sean Weatherspoon or Brian Price, or they can go offensive line. With the recent rumors that they like Iupati, I wouldn't be shocked if this was the pick.

16. Tennessee Titans -- Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida. An athletic freak that I desperately hope the Giants stay away from.

17. San Francisco 49ers -- Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas. The 49ers would have liked an offensive lineman here, but Kindle is a better value than any of the remaining OL.

18. Pittsburgh Steelers -- Maurkice Pouncey, OL, Florida. The Steelers need some inside protection for Big Ben (too. many. jokes.), and Pouncey gives them some flexibility on the line.

19. Atlanta Falcons -- Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan. Atlanta needs a pass rusher, and Graham is the best one left.

20. Houston Texans -- Joe Haden, CB, Florida. The Texans need a CB to replace Dunta Robinson, and would be ecstatic if Haden falls to them here.

21. Cincinnati Bengals -- Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St. With the tragic death of Chris Henry, the Bengals need some more weapons for Carson Palmer. Dez Bryant fits the bill.

22. New England Patriots-- Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State. Odrick's been linked to the Pats lately, and makes sense here.

23. Green Bay Packers -- Charles Brown, OT, USC. How the Packers got as far as they did with that OL is a mystery to me. I'm almost afraid to see how good Aaron Rodgers can be with some protection.

24. Philadelphia Eagles -- Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State. The Eagles need help in their secondary.

25. Baltimore Ravens -- Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma. The Ravens went out and got Anquan Boldin, and the addition of Jermaine Gresham would give Joe Flacco a really nice arsenal of receiving threats.

26. Arizona Cardinals -- Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri. The Cardinals have lots of holes as their roster has seemingly been gutted this offseason, and their biggest need might be replacing Karlos Dansby.

27. Dallas Cowboys -- Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers. I really, really want the Cowboys to take Taylor Mays (aka Roy Williams 2.0) here, but it doesn't look likely. I've seen them linked to McCourty, so that's the pick.

28. San Diego Chargers -- Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama. The Chargers two biggest needs are NT and RB. This draft is really deep at running back, but without a whole lot of high-end prospects. I think the Chargers are better off taking Cody here and grabbing an RB later on.

29. New York Jets -- Jerry Hughes, LB, TCU. The Jets want someone who can rush the passer, and Hughes gives them that.

30. Minnesota Vikings -- Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama. Honestly, I really haven't paid enough attention to the guys projected to go in the second half of the first round to tell the difference between Wilson, McCourty, and Jackson, but I've seen Jackson linked to the Vikings in a few mocks, so that's good enough for me.

31. Indianapolis Colts -- Brian Price, DT, UCLA. I kinda screwed the Colts over: in the mock drafts I was looking at while putting this together, every single player that was connected to them I have already drafted. DT and OL are the Colts biggest needs, and Price is a better prospect than any of the remaining OL's, so that's the pick.

32. New Orleans Saints -- Everson Griffen, DE, USC. The Saints could use another pass rusher, and Griffen looks like a good fit.

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Pretty much....

I expect it to be this way too.

Even if one of the “top” OT’s are on the board like Davis or Williams..maybe even Bulaga if he’s there? I think they got Iupati equal, or above them.

McClain, Spiller or Iupati will be a Giant by Thursday.

Grandy's making me randy

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 20, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I'am pretty sure

A while ago you compared Iupati to Steve Hutchinson, who I played with in High School and he is a beast, if this is the case I want this guy.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 20, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree - and don't reach

Trade down or go with BPA in an area of need.

Having said that – Pouncy might be a reach at #15 but he might be worth a look instead of Iupati because he can start at guard and then slide in to center to replace O’Hara.

The two questions this presents are:
1. How long does O’Hara have left and is this move to replace him premature – can it wait another year or two?

2. Can Iupati play RT as some state? If yes, then he might replace McKenzie at RT while Diehl slides to RG and Beatty to LT.

But this guys is supposed to be a beast and I would not be upset with this pick.

by MSP Giant on Apr 20, 2010 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Pouncey a lot

We don’t have anything remotely resembling a competent back up center if O’Hara goes down, and Pouncey can play 3 positions. We might even be able to trade back and get an extra pick if we want him.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 20, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

If they go OL at #15, rather have this kid, than Iupati. He would be the center of the future.
O’Hara is the oldest among our OL,, in the meantime, can be a backup at a couple positions.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

why...

would the giants move to Diehl to RG to replace Chris Snee, who has been to the pro bowl the last two years?

if the giants get iupati that he would start at LG and seubert becomes C and G backup extraordinaire…

and whimper can challenge both mckenzie and diehl for T spots, more likely he takes Mckenzie’s spot…

by brodeur hearts avery on Apr 20, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

If the line Was
Beatty, Iupati, O’Hara, Snee, Diehl i think that would be very good.

by Giants56 on Apr 20, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

you missed what we said, draft Pouncey and not Iupati..

I woud like to see Beatty, Diehl, O’Hara, Snee & ?

by Great Gatsby on Apr 20, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whimper

has been around about 3 years, hardly even dresses for games? Koets should be gone,
he has been pretty useless, hell Boothe is ahead of both on the depth chart (somebody
pleaaaase find a nutritionist for that young man, please).

by Great Gatsby on Apr 20, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Iupati just hasn't looked all that impressive...

Sure he’s massive and supposedly has good feet, but I don’t think he can put it together to become a 1st round caliber tackle. Maybe he’ll be an awesome guard, who knows? But I’d really rather the Giants wait until the later rounds to restock the o-line.

Unless it’s for a prospect like Alan Faneca or Hutchinson, whom I’m pretty sure were far more pro-ready than Iupati out of college, I’d rather trade down, maybe get Witherspoon, or someone at a position of need. Maybe to the Texans’ spot, if they’re trying to get Haden (who I highly doubt will fall that far).

by Charles L on Apr 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Iupati

Is a guard and will not be a tackle.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 20, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I figure

And thus: Not worth it, IMO. There are plenty of massive, slower guys in the later rounds that you could convert to guard.

by Charles L on Apr 20, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would either of you...

Wait on gaurd or trade down if Steve Hutchinson was there for us to pick? He is a guard in the NFL and thats it.. Best guard in the league probably.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 20, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it was Hutch

Take him in a heartbeat. But he was a far better prospect than Iupati. 4 years as a starter in the Big Ten, 4-time All-Big Ten, 2-time All-American, Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the year once (as a guard!).

3 years as a starter, 1x All-WAC, 1x All-American doesn’t compare. The level of competition, the ability, is just completely different…

by Charles L on Apr 20, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

+100

my statements exactly

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Just wondering if you were against Guard or just the player himself at #15.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 20, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Lupati at #15 is a bad idea.The player himself.Sunlion makes a strong point as to the reason why.No projects at the #15 spot. I will be very peturbed if this is the pick for us at 15. Laments terms I will trhow the remote through the t.v.

by costanza! on Apr 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why

I watch it in my man cave(garage) Got a hd projector 100 inches on a soft projector screen, the remote will just move the screen and hit the washer.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 20, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I will have my wife stand in front of my t.v. with a spartan shield in case Lupatis name is called with the #15 pick.

by costanza! on Apr 20, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

How much do those go for?
ha

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Thats just for my wife. The shield is very exspensive.

by costanza! on Apr 20, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Someone needs to invent a TV forcefield. I damn near put a hole in the wall when eli slid and fumbled last season. I might just stone cold stun my TV if we’re stuck with Iupati.

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli

I remember that athletic move. My brother tried to recreate the slide and got a great rugburn. He started screaning and then got so mad he kicked the t.v. over. Good times. Poor t.v.

by costanza! on Apr 20, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Eli drives me crazy when he runs but its funny. That play should have been overturned definate contact on Elis ankle

by costanza! on Apr 20, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sense the annual reality is setting in..

Inevitable..Hopefully we’ll get one or two kids on our wish list, but like every year we’ll wind up with whatever JR and the gang can muster..It’ll be good based on their successful history, but less than what we hope for..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 20, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Nicks, Beatty, Barden

That’s a pretty nice haul.

At least we’re not Raiders fans. They seem to have this delusion every year where they start imagining that their team isn’t run by a corpse. And then they’re crushed.

The key to life is low expectations :P

by Charles L on Apr 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

two years ago

we all wanted Phillips, and we all got Phillips.

Last year we wanted any first-round receiver not named Heyward-Bey, and got a first round receiver not named Heyward-Bey. I’m not sure what “annual reality” you’re talking about, but as far as I’m concerned the last two drafts broke perfectly for the Giants. I’m hopeful that this one will, too, but I’m a little more skeptical. I’m still not ruling out a trade up for McClain. Yea, Reese has never done that before, but he’s only been on the job 3 years, and each time the guy he’s wanted has fallen to him – if he senses that McClain is “his guy” and will be gone by 15, I could envision him moving up.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Apr 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right...

Just because Reese has not traded up yet in his young GM career, doesn’t mean he will never trade up. I do not think we can base on opinion on his drafting habits for a few years. I mean, this is only his 3rd draft as GM and CJ is right, the guys he has wanted in the past have fallen. Now, he did trade up one spot last year to grab Barden before he fell to the Uglies.

by CCE718 on Apr 20, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

This is his 4th year, remember the Super Bowl year don’t you? Ross was his first pick.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

my name is Jim, and I am Greek, and I would give you about 5-1, we stay at #15.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a nightmare scenario for me.

I would love Iupati. He is big, strong, and athletic. He needs to work on his technique, but his problems are very fixable. I think him, Beatty, and Snee will make for a strong OL for years to come.

by Giants56 on Apr 20, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

my problem with it

is that I still believe they’d be better off taking a ‘true’ LT and sliding Diehl back over to guard. It’s not so much a knock on Iupati, who is a fine prospect, but if they really feel the need to go OL in the first round, I want them to get a rock to anchor the line for years.

I also think that the Giants OL is good enough for the near future that they can afford to take a second or third round OL and let him mature for a year or two – they don’t need a first round guy. And you can get better value later in the draft for OL.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Apr 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

William Beatty is a true LT … he played LT in college and his best position as a pro is at LT. He’s 6’6 305-310, he’s a great athlete, and has 34 3/4" arms. If you read his scouting report or seen him in college you’d know that he’s a better pass blocker than run blocker. So Beatty is your LT and if he gets stronger and displays any kind of toughness than he can be an elite LT. Iupati can be one of the best Guards in the NFL he’s got that type of potential and he’s played LG his entire career. Snee is the best in the NFL right now so if you have a line thats going LT Beatty, LG Iupati, C Ohara, RG Snee, RT Diehl … that looks like one of the best units in the NFL. For the Defense first fans … if you run the ball effectively and keep your defense off the field than that’s helping your D. The Giants were the best team in football when they were able to run the ball and control the clock.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 20, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Haden at # 20?

I would take him over Lupati, he is a top 10 talent in my opinion.

by True-Blue on Apr 20, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

but I just haven’t seen anything that indicates the Giants are interested in him. There have been reports about how much they like Iupati.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Apr 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup I doubt that he slides to 20,

Maybe Broncos grab him and start re-building an old secondary. (All starters are over 30!)

by trueblue63 on Apr 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

We already have 3 of Joe Haden

Webster, Ross and TT are all like Joe Haden. Good players who have size but don’t have elite speed. If the Giants are drafting a corner (especially that high) they need to get a guy who has elite speed, who can cover D. Jackson and Miles Austin. Size not important. You can’t just stockpile good players that you have no role for. You have to build your team to win your division.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

look at the Eagles

Over the last few years, Andy Reid went out and got a bunch of speed guys on offense to take advantage of the Giants lack of speed at linebacker and in the secondary. It has worked, they are killing us. Corners who run 4.57 at the combine and then 4.4 on their fixed track at their pro day are not what we need.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ross has elite speed

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would

with two 100% healthy hamstrings. And although I’m not a Bruce Johnson fan, I think he would do better against the smaller faster WR’s such as Maclin and Devin Thomas, maybe not D-Jax tho he is Sonic the hedgehog.

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The pass rush better get there

Ross is more in the 4.45-4.5 range. Jackson will run away from him. If you man him up on Jackson even 5 times a game they will go right after him every time. Our secondary, as presently constructed, will have to play almost exclusively zone against the Eagles. Dallas shut Philly down because Jenkins took Jackson out of the game, and the Eagles are dependent on the big play. If we’re going corner in the first or second round, we need to get a guy who allows us to play some man against them.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolle and Phillips

will make sure that IF Jackson gets seperation from whoever is covering him, he’ll wake up 5 seconds later wondering where he is, with 3 trainers in his grill.

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like that's the plan

However, it would be nice if we could show their young, inexperienced QB lots of different looks and blitzes. That will require someone who can cover Jackson.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we need to go corner in the 1st or 2nd round. I’m saying that if we do, it needs to be someone who can run with Jackson and Maclin. We already have enough corners who need safety help against them. Joe Haden will be no different.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson has weaknesses

His strengths are his speed and he’s very dangerous after the catch. His weaknesses are that he’s not a good, precise route runner, and he’s not the type of guy that you can throw it up for grabs to him even when he’s covered. If a corner can run with him and has some ball skills, he can completely shut him down.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah

did you not see him almost catch Jackson on that long pass and he was coming from the other side of the field…..What about a few years ago when he tracked dwn Bralon edwards from like 30 yrds away….he not only has elite speed but elite recovery speed, he can more than stay with any speed receiver.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can agree to disagree

I think Ross has been something of a disappointment (even in his first two healthy seasons). I also think that if we blitz and leave Ross in man coverage with Jackson, that Kolb won’t even look for anyone else.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's in man coverage....

He doesn’t have safety help. Probably just a guy playing centerfield who won’t get there in time. Jackson doesn’t go across the middle or anything. The Eagles don’t use him that way.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade impact

If the Eagles move up to the 10-12 range and assuming they are not targeting McClain that would help us in this scanario.

On the same token the Packers want to move up and again we hope McClain is not their target.

by G Fan in England on Apr 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

It would help us

If the Eagles move up into the top 10 it is probably going to be to get one of the safeties. Their safety play was almost as bad as ours last year. Almost.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm a little disappointed here CJ

Okay, this was “your” mock draft so I guess I expected more of what your take was on what would best work for the the teams, yet you disagree with 2 of your first 5 picks?

I guess I was expected something other than a slight regurgitation or synthesis if you will of other mock drafts. Although I do get you were trying to assemble what you’d gleaned from around the league, but it’s so full of misinformation these days I’m not sure it’s worth taking that info and putting it in your draft, especially if you disagree with it.

As to the Giants the more I read (not about the Giants) but about statistical drop off of talent over the last 10 years from round 1 to any other round for LB, the more I think we will be disappointed if we don’t get a LB earlier rather than later. Reach or no reach, trade or no we need talent there.

by nyGTrenches on Apr 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

my interpretation of a mock draft

is you try to predict what a team will do, not say what you would do. If I were the Rams, I would take Suh, and if I were in charge of every team, Bradford would be a fringe first round pick. But I’m not, and it would look pretty silly to have a guy who’s probably about 90% likely to be the first overall pick go that late.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Apr 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

If This scenario happens then we have two choices IMO

Either we trade up or back, I personally think the Lions even though they would love a DT, I see them taking Okung ( and then trading for Big Albert), I also see the skins taking the athletic Trent Williams. In my Mock i have Tampa taking McCoy and Suh falling to 5, if this happens the Chiefs would be more than willing to trade back to the 15th pick where they would still be able to get a Tackle and aquire another pick this yr or next year from us………I see the Giants leaping up to take Suh or McCoy because one of them will fall to #5 IMO. I cant see us taking Iupati at all, I think we would trade back if things went the way this mock suggests………………. Im also in favor of taking Berry because like CJ I think Suh and Berry are the only 2 players worthy of this years #1 overall pick.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought about that scenario

When I heard that KC wants to trade out of that pick even if they don’t get value for it. All depends what it would cost.

by Be Driven on Apr 20, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remembered Burt being bigger - guess they all seem huge when you're 6

and Parcells likes his gems, but he’s also not averse to first round picks. Prior to 2008 you could have said he likes to take gem offensive lineman and let them develop, and then he took Jake Long.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Apr 20, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Subsequently

I dont see The Dolphins taking Williams, He is not a top 10 player to me but i dont see them passing up on Morgan, I also dont see SF passing up on Iupati and taking Morgan and Kindle, that would just be silly for them to do.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

The Dolphins will most likely be looking to trade down and there #1 priority is Rush OLB.

They can get a big body to hold down the fort until Ferguson comes off of suspension in the later rounds. Cam Thomas, Linval Joseph and Torrel Troup are possibilities.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 20, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the reason they're holding off on Jason Taylor

I’m starting to screw up the there/their/they’re thing that’s a pet peeve of mine. Damn!

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Apr 20, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes im with you

I think they could possibly take Morgan and use him as the SOLB, or Graham at WOLB but i agree the priority is OLB for them, Dan williams is not worth the #10 pick, he would be better going to the Pats later and playing DE in their 34 scheme.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

i still

would be psyched if williams fell to the giants, tho, if we can trade up and get suh at five that’d be best case scenario in my book.

by bluecifer on Apr 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have never seen a mock

That has suh falling even to 3

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats because most mock's

are not being realistic and they refuse to acknoledge the fact that the Lions will look to protect their high paid investment who already injured his shoulder last year and dont forget they are still aiming at haynesworth ) why do you think that is??), with that being said in my own personal Mock, I have the Lions taking Okung, now its clear that Tampa will take one of the DT’s and i think they prefer McCoy for their brand of football better, especially with his current ringing endorsement from Sapp…… with my theory Suh (or McCoy) is still available at 4 in which the skins could take him but I think they go Trent Williams ( Shann’s loves athletic LT’s)….. so thats how i got Suh falling to 5 where we would be able to trade up, If you think about it its not far fetched at all, in my mock at least.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly

not going to be passed over by four teams to No.5, not happening.

by Great Gatsby on Apr 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fins

They will take Kindle if he is there and he should be.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taylor has been in Parcells dog-house..

Ever since he decided to dance with the stars vs. get on the field and practice..They are hoping to fill his shoes in the draft, and if they can’t they’ll probably get a little more serious about this Jet baloney..Throw him a one year bone and lose him after the season.

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

That's pretty much my nightmare scenario.....

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Apr 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not excited with Iupati...

though I think he’s a good player, #15 is awfully high to go for a guard, especially when it’s not a pressing need. I’d have to think Haden figures more in this if it plays out as above, whether he’s been linked to the Giants or not. Also, I’d guess that the reason he hasn’t been is the vast majority of mocks I’ve seen have him going BEFORE #15. Pouncey is in the same boat in that he’s a good player one would be taking early, but I think he would make more sense on a need basis. Also, what, if anything, that happens with Osi could have an impact as well, as Graham might be of interest if Osi had been traded. Overall, I’ll hope it doesn’t shake out like this, and that someone in front of us will “FLIP” for JPP and let Morgan slide down.

by Cranky50 on Apr 20, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

nothing wrong with going O-line

not ideal but it is a need, although not pressing. For middle of the round pick, Lupati or Pouncey would fit. I prefer Pouncey because of his flexibility to play G or C.

Getting a big, long armed good run blocking mauler like Lupati isn’t a bad idea.

BPA will work out for us…call off the sky is falling sirens ;-)

by hurikaine on Apr 20, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Live mock

NFL Fanhouse is in the midst of a live mock with their senior writers and they just had Giants take JPP. Not sure what it’s worth (well obviously nothing, because JR isn’t a senior writer for Fanhouse) but I hope it doesn’t happen for real.

by SHW350 on Apr 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

No..for real.

McClain, Spiller or Iupati will be Giants.

Those are the 3. Plan accordingly. Get your Midol if need be as well.

Grandy's making me randy

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm ok with this

I’d just really prefer it be one of the first two

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by cjmulrain on Apr 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got a gut feeling both are gone

And if its Spiller or Iupati…I just got the sense that Sean Lee is their next MLB on the board.

So yea…really hoping for McClain to be there. Spiller then Sean Lee wouldn’t be so bad tho (Spiller would be a nice..Lee, meh)

Grandy's making me randy

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

i’m getting a felling that spiller might be there 15 and i think thomas is moving up in the draft……don’t forget most teams will be drafting offensive linemen in the 1st round……a lot will be taken

by Jermal on Apr 20, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people are exaggerating the importance of the MLB position. I mean if McClain is on the board he’s the pick ,but with the exception of a handful of teams, their aren’t very many 3 Down MLBs in the NFL. So if you have one great but if you don’t than a run stuffer who can play downhill for 2 downs and comes off the field in the nickel or dime is pretty standard. The D will be better because the safety play will be much improved and thats even if Kenny Phillips never plays a down this season. Antrell Rolle is a Pro Bowl DB and with the return or Aaron Ross the Giants have 3 good CBs and Bruce Johnson can ball as well. Honestly I can live with our choice of McClain, Spiller, Iupati , Morgan or Pierre-Paul. I know people are scared because he’s a boom or bust guy but Jason Pierre-Pauls physical skills are off the charts forget a 40 time ( because if you DE is running 40 yards its usually because you just gave up a TD ) he’s fast, explosive and he’s not little either. The man is 6’5, 270 and is the best pure athlete in the draft. If he wants it than he can be great and the Giants unlike most teams can basically hide him away for a year or two until he learns the system and improves his technique. He’d basically be a situation pass rusher in obvious passing downs and have to compete with Kiwanuka for playing time. I prefer Morgan athough he’s got less upside because he can play either side whereas JPP is strictly going to be on the weakside.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 21, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with the 3-down MLB sentiment

But we’d still need a leader on the defense, someone in for all 3 downs. I guess Boley’s our guy for that?

But screw JPP. He’s not a good athlete. He’s athletically deficient in every single way that’s pertinent to being a DE. His only redeeming measurable is his speed (4.65s 40), which as you mentioned, is completely irrelevant. He has no burst off the ball, no change of direction ability, and he is mentally challenged. There are plenty of dumb athletes who somehow figure out a way to get into a real 4 year college.

I’m glad I don’t have a TV to watch the draft on, cause if we take JPP, I’d break something. Seriously.

by Charles L on Apr 21, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im willing to bet neither of those 3 will be Gmen

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

CHALLENGE!!!!!! LOL

may the best man win

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Al Davis breaks the hearts of everyone hoping for McClain at 15. Just a hunch. I’d love for Spiller to slide to us. If Haden is there and McClain are gone, does anyone see the Giants taking him? It doesn’t fit an immediate need, but since Ross is so injury prone, it might make sense.
LOL, I just saw your post as I was writing this Troy.

by ronjohnson on Apr 20, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't see Haden...

Fewell’s secondaries have benefitted more from middle round DB’s like Terrence McGee, Jairus Byrd, Charles Tillman and Nate Vasher…better then someone like Leodis McKelvin or Donte Whitner

I can’t see a 1st round CB or even a S/CB like Earl Thomas. I’d like it..don’t see it.

  1. Mike Iupati.

Grandy's making me randy

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah when I saw Haden slip past 15

I was almost upset, but honestly Iupati fits both need and value much better at 15 than Haden does…unfortunately lol. This is the worse case scenario for me personally but it would still be a good pickup.

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Apr 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cant see Haden either but not because Fewell's systems have benefitted from

Middle round DB’s like Free said because clearly his DB’s this year will be Corey, AR, TT, KP, ARolle, those are all 1st and 2nd round picks and I think we will do even better than his past DB’s, I think they would take a DB in round one but only if his last name is Berry, I dont think Haden is that high on their Need/BPA board………………our 1st pick will not be Iupati, I thik we are in for a big surprise.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.

by Blue Gates on Apr 20, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense in the 1st

That is my only request.

It’s the weaker of the 2 units and needs the most improvement.

Siding with Costanza, my remote (along with any small possible projectiles) will be kept a safe distance away from me on Thursday night, as i paid entirely too much for my TV

by Flynner on Apr 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

A great O-line will always produce a great rushing attack. If you look at the old Denver Broncos squads you basically could plug a back in and he’d get you 1200 yards. It didn’t matter if it was Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Bell, Clinton Portis or Travis Henry.

 Iupati should be very high on the Giants list. Jacobs is a very good back but he’s not gonna put up numbers behind an offensive line that doesn’t open holes for him. Iupati would make the Giants interior offensive line one of the best in the league. They’d instantly have without a doubt the best OG tandem in the league. Chris Snee is the best G in football and with Iupati and Ohara on the interior the Giants might actually pick up those 3rd and Shorts and score TD’s in the Red Zone.

by TheBXRepresenta on Apr 20, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa relax

lupati has the potential to be a great OG but he hasn’t even played a down yet. He can’t be one of the best in the league with even playing. The giants are also transitioning into a passing team because of our great trio of WR’s and lupati is atrocious in pass protection.

It would be a shame if we couldn’t take advantage of the strengths of our offense because we took a guy that doesn’t know how to pass protect.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 21, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Iupati an elite guard? I don't believe that is even possible....

…given that he hasn’t played the position, even in college for any stretch of time, has poor technique(he keeps his hands outside his shoulders) and hasn’t lined up once against an NFL DT. He has all the measurables and a mean streak, but drafting an interior lineman in the first round, especially in the first half of the round, is a reach uinless you believe he can be a left tackle or he is already at the level of a Steve Hutchinson(sp?), which he is not.

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by sunlion333 on Apr 21, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not the way I want to see the draft fall, but

In all likelyhood this is most likely what will happen. Most here at BBV is hoping either RoMac, Spiller, or Morgan falls to us. I say that’s about 10% chance. Olineman seems to be a good pick for us, but I’m intruiged a bit more by Pouncey due to his versatility.

by wangstu13 on Apr 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Oakland Raiders

What if they draft Mcclain and Morrison gets unhappy and wants a trade and they will then lower their demands what they want for him (RFA 3rd round tender). From a 3rd round that they acutally wanted to a more reasonable 5rd pick.

by EJAAY on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

No campbell

I would take bruce campbell over iupati, he’s more athletic and doesn’t get beat as mich as iupati does…….see senior bowl

by Jermal on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Iupati

I haven’t seen as much tape as some of you guys, but Iupati got tore up at the Senior Bowl. Dan Williams and Geno Atkins(playing 1 and 3 technique respectively) both stood him up when he was at RG. Loads of potential, but needs some work on his technique. Mayock said he has the ability to play all 5 positions, but I just don’t see it, yet anyway.

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by buckyyo on Apr 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh, I'm not so sure on lupati

not at 15, not in the first round. Too much money for someone who right now stinks in pass protection. Yes they are in NY but that doesn’t mean they can afford to give ~$15M guaranteed to a rookie guard.

I keep repeating it but McClain to the Broncos is not anywhere near a done deal. A lot of draft gurus agree that he is good but not top-10 great. ILB has ridiculously low positional value in the 3-4 too.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 20, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Peter King

Keeps tweeting that the Broncos are not drafting Dez or Rolo. Not sure if he knows something we don’t, but he is very emphatic about it.

by ronjohnson on Apr 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think so either...

the Broncos with McDaniels the past few drafts haven’t exactly been an easy team to peg tho.

I could really care less who they take..as long as McClain AND Spiller are still on the board.

Grandy's making me randy

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing about Mocks is ...

all 32 picks are usually put together by the same “logic” from one guy. Come Thursday, you’ve got 32 chefs in the soup, and once you get a sharp left turn like DHB from the crypt keeper last year, a different set of dominos start to fall.

Here’s hoping there are some surprises up top, so that RoMac, Morgan or Spiller are there at # 15. If not, let’s hope a trade back is an option, and you get an Iupati or Pouncey later on with a pick in hand.

And if it’s Morgan, trade Osi before you walk up to the podium, thereby reducing his trade value (meaning have a tentative deal in the works).

by Shofner85 on Apr 20, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

I thought someone would come in with a fat joke. He is quite the windbag. I thought it was interesting because most recent mocks have Denver taking one or the other. King is putting out his mock tomorrow morning, if anyone cares. He tweets a lot of breaking NFL stuff. So does Adam Schefter, who’s excellent, IMO. It’s a good way to stay on top of sports news when you’re not at around a computer.

by ronjohnson on Apr 20, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Schefter usually doesn't report something till its good and done

even tho he lives in his mother’s basement.

King is just a retired idiot who thinks he’s still in the know. Really..most of the stuff he says, you can go by the opposite and have a better idea.

Grandy's making me randy

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 20, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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