For Giants, it's Rolando McClain, or ... nobody knows
by Ed Valentine on Apr 16, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintThere seems to be pretty much universal agreement among analysts heading into next week's NFL Draft that Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain is the choice for the New York Giants ... if he is there at 15. Which, really is the big question.
"If he (McClain) is on the board I think that he is hands-down the favorite to be that No. 1 pick for the Giants," CBS Sports Draft analyst Rob Rang said Thursday night on New York Giants Talk with Pat Traina (Inside Football) and myself. "He would make an immediate impact in my opinion. I think he would be a great fit.
"I just don't think it's likely he is still on the board at that point, and that's why the Giants might have to look elsewhere."
Rang says if McClain is gone, you could see the Giants do something "outside the box" in the early stages of the draft.
Rang's current mock draft is indicative of that "outside the box" thinking. He has Fresno State running back Ryan Mathews going to the Giants at 15 -- possibly the only mock I have seen with Mathews going to the Giants there.
"The Giants are intrigued by what Ryan Mathews brings to the table. I would make the argument that the Giants biggest area of concern is at linebacker, perhaps along the defensive line getting some young talent.
"The Giants have been anything but predictable in recent years. I think sometimes you have to look outside the box, and Ryan Mathews at 15, certainly a talent that I expect to go off the board somewhere in that mid-teens to early 20s I think it would be foolish not to at least consider the possibility that he might end up with the New York Giants."
"Not only do I believe that Ryan Mathews is absolutely in the equation I just think it would be wise to look outside the box when it comes to the New York Giants," Rang said. "It's certainly something that the club has done."
Continuing his "outside the box" theory, Rang would not dismiss the notion that has been whispered in some places that the Giants would go tight end with the first pick.
"If the team isn't happy with [Travis] Beckum's development don't be surprised again if they elect to go tight end in the first round," Rang said. "Jermaine Gresham of Oklahoma is a player I know the Giants have scouted very closely. He would fit in, as well.
"You're looking to be able to attack these defenses with the players they already have, and I think that you might see the Giants elect to go with some type of skill position player. Certainly some skill position talent in the second, third rounds at least," Rang said. "If the Giants are going to remain among the elite in the NFC East they have to get some more offense.
"The Giants primary need is at linebacker. I just think that when you look at what the Giants have done they have shown an unwillingness to reach for prospects and so I don't think you are going to see them reach and panic should Rolando McClain be off the board.
If the Giants are unable to get McClain, Rang said Giants' fans should not despair about filling the middle linebacker spot.
"The No. 1 need in my opinion is you have to get that linebacker. I think that they'll be able to do that if not in the first round with Rolando McClain then certainly in the second or third round," Rang said. "Historically speaking the easiest position on the field to fill is at the middle linebacker and running back position."
He also pointed to a couple of under-the-radar names to watch in subsequent rounds. Donald Butler of Washington and Jason Worilds of Virginia Tech, who is actually a defensive end.
Of Butler, Rang said:
"He's probably going to come off the board in about the third round, and probably has the starting potential but in my opinion is still a year away from being a significant contributor," Rang said
Of Worilds, Rang said:
"This kid is being looked at by many clubs as a 3-4 rush outside linebacker. but I've spoken to some teams who feel that he is athletic enough to make the conversion to inside linebacker," Rang said. "He's very athletic, he's very instinctive, he's absolutely stunning people in team interviews. So, he's a player on the rise. He might be one other player to keep in mind."
Rang summarized his thoughts on the Giants' draft this way.
"When it's all said and done the majority of the picks are going to be on the defensive side of the ball," Rang said. "Keep an open mind that this team is not going to walk in and take nothing but defensive players."
[Rang had much more to say about the Giants' needs in several areas. Listen to the full interview on Blog Talk Radio.]
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uggh..more sh!t to throw out just about any idea that i thought i knew what type
of draftee we are going for in round 1
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
any takers?
5 lineman (osi, canty, coefield, tuck and kiwi) 1 LB (sintim or boley) 3 safetys (grant, phillips and rolle) “which one of them shud becoming in for the blitz”.(let them play our guessing game) and our 2 dominate corners playing press coverage on the outside, can any1 really stop that???.. the only way i think they can is by spreading WR out…what you guys think,,, new look? or no?
by old man strahan on Apr 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
TE????
i would be quite upset if the gents went that way in the first. i think there are too many other directions and available players to go for a TE. if mcclain isnt there, or spiller, or they dont want mathews.. please go OLine or trade down. Boss is fine, Beckum should be ok but if hes not.. please please please dont use a first on a tight end.
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 16, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry but
this guy sounds like he is stuck on the idea of making an “out of the box” pick just to make an “out of the box” pick. I’m not sure what past “out of the box” picks he is alluding to. I don’t really think Reese or Accorsi before him were really kown for going out there and taking someone completely shocking. The past 3 years our 1st round pick has been our big need. The biggest “surprise” was Kiwi and that was only surprise to people not payng attention to the fact that Strahan was likely to retire. I also disagree that you can just grab a 3rd round LB and it’ll all be fine. We’ve already got a collection of those types of picks in our LB corps and none of them are getting it done.
Great post
Look at Nicks, Philips, Ross all three of those guys were projected to go to the G-Men or played a position that was an area of need for the Giants. Kiwi was a bit of a surprise but what else was outside the Box. Barden? I mean it was a third round pick you can go “outside the box” in the third round. Look at EA’s picks in 97 Ike Hillard, 98 Shaun Williams, 99 Luke Pettigout, 2000 Ron Dayne, 2001 Will Allen, 2002 Shockey, 2003 William Joseph, 20004 Eli, 2005 no first round, 06 EA’s last year Kiwi. I mean all of those positions were projected for the Giants outside of Kiwi at DE and a lot of those exact names were the guys mentioned in mock drafts. The Eli trade I guess was a bit “out of the box” but the Giants were going QB anyway at that pick. What Kevin Boss, or Admad Bradshaw outside the Box, I don’t get it. I can almost gurantee the Giants will go LB in round one if Mclain is there and I think they still will if they can’t move down their history shows that they draft by need.
Yup
I do not see Rang’s comments as very credible – he SEEMS like a journalist looking to create a story rather than someone who has a realistic perspective. Like Blue says – he is married to the idea of “out of the box”.
IMO if McClain, Morgan and Spiller are all gone – which is likely – JR will go BPA in an area of need, safety (Thomas), OL (Pouncey) or DT (Price).
Hey Ed
Sorry, don’t know what koolaid Rang is drinking, but not the koolaid 99% of Giants fans are probably drinking!
is Rang
the kind of guy that takes all the underdog bets… losing 95% of the time but making his money when a 110-1 bet like (giants taking a TE in round one) comes in.
It’s fun to think of other prospects, but OH YEAH!!!!!!! koolaid man.
Hopefully Reese and Co. have never considered what this guy has ever said as input for what we should do.
Kool-Aid
Ugh, man that stuff is awful … unless you’re 9! I had to call him out on the Mathews thing. Rang is a smart, knowledgeable guy. I disagree with a lot of what he said, but I tried to just throw it out there without my own opinion getting in the way.
You guys are doing a fine job of ripping him apart.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
opinions
it is indeed true that they are like …… everyone has one.
He has his, and for all we know he may be spot on.
But from the sounds of this board i think we can all agree that in the opinion of the BigBlueView… we hope his opinion is just an opinion and nothing more
Breaking News!
Nobody knows anything. don’t believe me? check mock drafts from a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. They’re all wrong. About the only thing people get right, and even that’s not 100% , is the #1 pick. Other than that, most of these mocks aren’t a little off, they’re completely off. Listen, I get it, something has to be written during the off season. But IMO this something more for the writer than the reader.
"If the Giants are going to remain among the elite in the NFC East they have to get some more offense"
This is why I’m not a big fan of the draft becasue morons like this make statements like this about a team they did not watch at all last year and I’m forced to listen to it.
I’d agree maybe a skill player at RB like Spiller if available in round 1 is worth it or an O-lineman would not be bad and I expect them to to add players at both positions at some point in the draft but to say their problem is lack of skill players proves this guys did not watch one Giant game last year. They have no LB’s, issues at DT and can use a saftey. The lack of talent and speed on D cost them a handful of games last year and if they want to remain “among the elite” in the NFC East they need to find a way to slow down or stop the talented skill players within the division and it was obvious last year they did not have many of those guys on the defensive side of the ball.
I’ll be irate if they draft a TE in the first round or in the top 3 rounds for that matter. I doubt they will and knowing JR he’s probabbly trying to throw other teams off by inquiring about a TE so much.
I agree
There is absolutely no basis for the Giants to pick a TE at #15 when we have Boss and Beckum. The ONLY way we take an offensive player is for C.J. Spiller or MAYBE Bulaga or T. Williams. That’s it!
Stick with defensive BPA otherwise, or trade down.
Dream Draft:
1) Rolando McClain
2) Chad Jones
3) Kyle Calloway
4) Linval Joseph
5) Ben Tate
6) Sergio Render
7) Zoltan Mesko
by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 16, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, Gresham is NOT Jeremy Shockey either...
he came from that gimmicky Big 12 stat inflation offense…so how good he actually is, is very debatable.
This guy is not worth a top pick, let alone a first rounder.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you seem to be the only one that thinks Gresham is not a 1st round pick
All the scouts and personnell people actually love him but……
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I've seen plenty of people say he's not.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, I'd take Gronkowski over Gresham. I'm a little weary of overgrown receivers that don't block.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
and I'd rather wait for Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta or Jimmy Graham.
especially Graham.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
None of those guys are better than Beckum to me
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
Gronk too.
he’s an animal.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Gronkowski is the most complete TE of the bunch, you just have to be a little leary of the back injury.
I like that Kid McCoy from USC and if we are looking for a mostly blocking TE, you have Byham in the late rounds or Brody Eldridge in UDFA. Eldridge has shorter arms but is a grinder and technician.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I think that's the route they'll go
UDFA.
I like a lot of the TE’s this year, I think many are more complete TE’s then Beckum, but with Beckum here…I just don’t think there’s a reason to draft another.
…especially someone like Gresham in the first.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Although Byham would be the best choice. He may go in the 7th. Pascoe's days are numbered.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I wouldn't rule out the dude's I mentioned tho...
It is true they really like Gresham, so it’s kinda obvious they want a TE..for whatever reason.
If Someone like Pitta or Dickson are there in the 4-5 range…they may do that.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way, we're going to see what comes of Beckum, so more likely late rd./FA for a blocker.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I think they are both very good prospects and deserve 1st round picks
If they both played last year, this is not even a debate though!! They both were in very good shape for people who didnt play at all unlike Dez Bryant who looked sloppy and he played 3 games.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I don't think we need a TE
unless its strictly a blocker like Mike Matthews (?) who will be a very late pick or UDFA
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
My sentiments exactly. There’s nothing wrong with Boss, Gilbride just doesn’t use the TE as a skill position, he uses him as an extra blocker, block then in the flat, etc. It is very rare that he’s the intended target, so why waste a pick on a guy we’ll hardly use?!
I dont think its Gilbride not using him
I think TC likes for the TE to be primarily a blocker
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
It bugged me
That Rang went all the way back to the Plaxico Burress stuff, which is old and useless nonsense at this point. It was like Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham never happened.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 16, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't get excited about any TE in the draft....
with the #15 pick for the Giants. It’s not a need, and I don’t see the quality for the pick there either. If McClain is off the board there’s alot of ways they could go, and I’d conceed Mathews as a darkhorse candidate, but TE……just don’t see it. Still think it’s Morgan or Spiller or trading back as the most likely if McClain is gone.
Maybe
The Pats might take a Gresham, all their TE’s are gone, but not here….
Ryan Matthews would be
a terrible terrible reach
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
How Rang could say the Giants never reach, and then take a huge reach by giving them Mathews, really stumped me. I just didn’t want to get in a fight with the guy on the air, especially since he was Pat’s guest.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 16, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Weatherspoon all the way
Drop back and get him and add another pick
Spoon
He’s a reach at 15, but if you can do that I’m OK with it.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 16, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't last past #19
So trading down 3 spots..do we really gain? He could go to Tennesse who could use a replacement for Bullock and he can go to the Steelers who like their LB’s and Weatherspoon is a lot like a young Farrior as well.
And trading down is hard as it is…trading down with one specific target who’s gonna go before a certain spot, is even harder.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Free has it right
I gotta believe if we were to trade down you can’t expect to land Spoon. No way he makes it past Atlanta. We all have our own views on him as to whether he is a “reach” at 15. I think Ed’s stance that he is an outright reach there is absurd and isn’t supported by the majority of info out there. I still don’t agree totally with Free’s stance that he is a reach there as a Mike but not as a Will, but it’s a little better stance. I, along with a lot of evealutors I’ve read, do not see 15 as a reach whatsoever for Spoon regardless of LB spot. Reports are some coaches even view him as potentially higher than that.
If he's gone by 19
Then I don’t feel like grabbing him at 15 is a reach at all. If JR thinks Spoon can play MLB then fine, but we need a MLB at least for competition for Goff.
Imagine
trading back with New England and one of their late 2nd rounders….
Dream Draft:
1) Rolando McClain
2) Chad Jones
3) Kyle Calloway
4) Linval Joseph
5) Ben Tate
6) Sergio Render
7) Zoltan Mesko
by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 16, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
TE? So that's Gresham? That's foolish talk
as for Ryan Matthews…I like it.
He’s a darker horse then Spiller, but he may be better then Spiller as he’s more of a “RB” then a jack of all trades type RB.
Ryan Matthews would be like we chose Shaun Alexander all those years ago. I’m in favor of that.
Running AMOK
Quote from "Rang" man
The rapid deterioration of the Giants’ running game last season was the primary reason for the team’s collapse…One word, WOW!
probably should have read your post before i typed the one below lol
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
on NFL.com
Rang has Mathews mocked to us in the first… his explaination… the Giants running game was THE reason for thier downfall. That statement right there proves he didnt watch one giants game last year. the obvious downfall of the giants was the defense, no question about it. the running game lacked of course, but absolutly not the main reason for the 8-8 season. Eli and the WRs made up for a lacking run game pretty well… until the last 2 games
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 16, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
I doubt that...
but the running game was a big reason the Giants couldn’t maintain a lot of drives. Its closer to a reason of the Giants downfall then many (RE: the defense defense defense shouting brigade) and I think they need to get one.
And I like Matthews too. I think he’s the #2 back in the draft, and probably is a better bet, at least earlier in his career, to be a workhorse then Spiller.
I’d like Matthews well over Jermain Gresham…that’s for damn sure.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Spiller will never be a "workhorse". He's a 20 or so touch a game player by most accounts(ala Reggie Bush).
That makes it extremely hard to imagine burning a first round pick on him. Matthews is more of a “workhorse” type.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
but I do think he can be a "primary back"
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Is
Matthews better than Best? I’ve seen Best enough, not as familiar with Matthews to be honest.
by Great Gatsby on Apr 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe..
but at the combine he showed good hands and pass catching ability, which he didn’t do in college.
He’s close to as fast as those guys too, and at 5"11 220, he’s a lot bigger. I’d say he’s like Jonathon Stewart or like I said, Shaun Alexander.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
the only RB they would take at #15 is Spiller, I can’t see another back at that spot, of course we are mostly commenting on the Rang man anyhow.
by Great Gatsby on Apr 16, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
probably
cuz I mean, Spiller would be a case of a top 10 player falling, while Matthews would be a top 25 player reached for at #15.
I guess, similar to Sean Weatherspoon…I wouldn’t really like it, but I’d understand and I wouldn’t complain at the pick.
My “shit list” is still Jason Pierre Paul, Taylor Mays, Jermaine Gresham. Basically any of the other scenarios can a case be made for and I’d have not a problem with the pick.
I have “my board” but I ain’t drafting for the Giants, nor any team.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I wouldn’t want any of those three, no.
by Great Gatsby on Apr 16, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This is kind os an "apples to oranges" comparison
Matthews is an all around back with the physical features to pound it between the bookends. I’ve heard many say he runs with ithe best balance of all the top tier backs. Best is another small sparkplug like Spiller only less of an impact player by a margin.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
That is better than Jacobs 12-13 touches...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
20 touches
isn’t bad. I’d be perfectly happy with the Spiller pick, my only concern is the playcaller. It takes a good coordinator to make proper use of talented fast backs (coming out of the backfield and screen game I mean), and I don’t think Gilbride has ever been adept at running screens and using backs on routes. He doesn’t use the zone stretch too well either, great with the gap runs though.
What do you guys think, would he be able to use Spiller effectively?
I think so
cuz they used Derrick Ward effectively. They need the “jack of all trades back” hole filled, and Spiller can do all a that, plus he’d be the fastest player on the team.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
too bad we're not competing with al davis for the fastest team in the nfl
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no..were not.
but I’d rather not be competing with some other team for the slowest in the NFL.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather not compete to be the softest team in the NFL either
Spiller, Boley, Osi…
how many more softies can we handle?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Boley...
I dunno about the other 2.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and I dunno that Boley's soft either.
that sounds made up.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
have u seen him play?
he is about as soft as CJ (I break everything to the outside because contact is not my style) Spiller (very soft)
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
show me a play when spiller knocked someone back
don’t give me that no bs with nothing to back it up.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
go look for yourself
its out there.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
if it was then everybody wouldn't call him soft
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen more say he's willing to mix it up inside
and highlight videos are just gonna show highlights, so I don’t see the point.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Boley is soft to you, thats crazy talk
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
hes always been soft....
why do you think he got benched in atlanta??
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 17, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I was talking 20 touches, including passes and return duty. That's hardly a "primary" back.
Just my opinion, but I’m not comfortable spending an upper half first rounder on that return on investment.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
good point
about Ward. I’d like to see him get a bit more diverse in his screen game to be honest, it’s like a slide screen, a mid screen… and his bubble/quick screen out to receivers. There’s plenty else out there Kevin, steal some of it
that's the point...
They ran that with D-Ward. They didn’t last year, mainly cuz Jacobs is incapable and they obviously weren’t comfortable with AB.
Andre Brown hopefully plays into that…but who knows if they trust him?
He may be good, but he’s not a talent like Spiller. If they like Spiller, you can’t pass him up cuz you might think Andre Brown could do it too.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I still
think Ahmad is quite capable, unfortuantely Killdrive waited until the end of last year to utilize
him and by then he was all beat up (I was going to use an Elvis line all shook up….but).
by Great Gatsby on Apr 16, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
no my fault
that sounded wrong. I meant the slide, mid and bubble are all he uses. Yeah Ward ran them well, but there’s stuff that’s tougher to defend. I’m saying if Spiller is the pick, I hope he incorporates some more diversity in that aspect of our offense is all
by the way
stop getting my hopes up. I’m not as big a McClain fan as most, but I’m sitting here like “man, I hope McClain falls, Spiller might fall..” and so on. 15 rolls around and they’ll all be gone and I’m gonna be depressed thinking back on stuff like this, talking about how great our screen game could be haha
Sounds like cry for help. LOL Just kidding. I couldn't let that one slip by me without busting your stones.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
haha it's a cry for pessimism
let’s talk about guys who are projected to go late 20’s. we know at least some of them will still be there
Well ya got Anthony Davis.
He’s lazy, fat…and botched all interviews…at least until his private workouts where he went back into good graces.
BUt he’s extremely talented!
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis is probably the most talented OT, or around even with Okung, in this draft.
I just don’t know if Flaherty, as good a coach as he is, can get enough out of him if he couldn’t do it with Whimper.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
haha thanks gentlemen
you’re right screw that, one of them will fall to 15. right? RIGHT? damn straight they will.
I think Whimper was too much of a project
Davis really isn’t a project talent wise..he’s a project brain wise.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he proved out to be one, but they were so high on his footwork, which is half the battle for a LT.
He just never developed due to, as far as published accounts go, poor work ethic.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
In copying the most annoying words of "Stinger" from the Yahoo message boards.
“Rang” sucks
That is all.
Yahoo MSG boards
Are completely a waste of time. Flame war after flame war with racism and bigotry included
Hey, Isn't it funny how they're now coming out and saying that JAX and MIA are shopping their picks?
I believe it was almost a month ago that we were talking about this. It certainly looks like Denver is the only obstacle to us getting RoMac unless someone leapfrogs us to get him.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Rang is smoking
which i mean he is “smokescreening” for us!! thanks rang. Even though he said mcclain is our number one… everything from here on out is smokescreen. spiller, smokescreen. Graham, smoke. spoon, smoke.. shyt, everything is smoke, even mcclain!
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
No RoMac!!?? simple
either take Price right there or if you want to save yourself some boooos (which i dnt think they care about) trade back a bit and sccop up Brian P. and thats that.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
If they wanted someone who's 7 months pregnant
I’d think they just woulda knocked wifey up 7 months ago.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ok
But im talking about the 2009 pac 10 D player of the year who is very very strong and has the quickest 1st step of all the interior linemen, what he looked like at his pro day didnt concern me too much, he’s already back in shape. Nicks came to the combine the same way.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I haven't seen many vids of Price
But it kinda seemed like his only move is his first step. If he didn’t break through immediately, he was completely stonewalled. And he has almost no pursuit. Shadows of Willy Joe.
Well he
actually has one of the better club manuvers and is super strong, his height also gives him great leverage……..he does need to work on his Base but thats what coaches get paid for, he is not raw, he is actually pretty polished for a DT
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
To be honest, Blue, I'd actually take Houston over Price. Price isn't overpowering any NFL linemen except the Seahawks.
Houston is incredibly versatile and could slide out to DE in spot duty. I’ve soured on Price, the more I’ve seen of him. Just my opinion. Sorry, I know he is you guy.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I love Lamarr Houston Sun, no argument there
He is very very similar to justin Tuck that would be awesome
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
give me arthur jones over all of those DT's
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but they drop a lot even though they have tons of talent
don’t forget Justin Tuck, TT and a whole bunch of other guys who were injured in college and dropped to us in the lower rounds. Now they are beasts
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fellas, from the looks of it, Rang would get murdered on here if he posted.
We took this from liking the info to tar and feathering him. We’re too much. LOL
Bleeding Blue since 1962
why?
The Gresham crap and the running game being the reason the Giants stunk is stupid.
But the McClain part I agree with. I ain’t 100% on the Matthews thing, but I like it.
2 wrongs don’t make a right, but 2 rights may help ease the pain of the wrongs?
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Rang
Here at BBV, we are always at eachother so we love to take a break from beating each other down to collectively whop some outside A**………. BBV for life fool!!! HAHAHa
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I think McClain will be there.
Now that Denver needs Dez Bryant, I’m a lot more relaxed about that. If not him, then ‘Spoon or a stud DE. (I’d rather have a DT, but seem to be outvoted.)
I left my swagger in my other pants.
anybody else out there hoping
that we hold off and wait on a RB? I really think my fav optionis to wait and get Starks later on in day 3.
Just wanna see them address the Def. fully in the first 3 rounds
Starks is less likely to ever play a down
then Andre Brown
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he really meant "ever" not "every"
Andre Brown post exploding achiles may never actually play football again.
LOL
Starks only had a silly shoulder injury. You can easily get back from those especially if you’re not a QB.
It’s not like a knee where if you tear something you could lose all your explosion in that joint.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 16, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft Guru's
I would argue that any Draft Guru that would have the Giants taking a TE in the first round of this years draft is not much of a draft guru…
Say what you want, there would be no way to justify blowing a first rounder on a position with marginal overall impact, with Boss on the roster, and with glaring needs at LB and DT.
Vernon Davis has really improved the 49ers. Tony Gonzalez was great for the Chiefs and they sucked. The Giants already won the Superbowl with Kevin Boss. Do I need to say more?
what defines a draft guru anyway?
if you get 10% of your draft choices correct? I wonder what the actual percentages of this so-called draft gurus are?
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
In today's world
a draft guru is somebody that gets lots of “face time”, IMHO.
by Great Gatsby on Apr 17, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way Rang did I forget to fire you for suggesting we draft a TE?
I think JR would fire himself if he made that pick!
I think the stampede in MSG
would kill a lot of people waiting to be selected if that were ever to happen…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
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