Kiwi or Osi? Who ya gonna keep?
by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2010 2:00 PM EDT
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PrintI believe it has become brutally obvious that when it comes to Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka our New York Giants can only keep one of them long-term.
So, Big Blue View nation, which one are you keeping?
Umenyiora will be 30 this season, is unhappy about not starting full-time in 2009, and is coming off his worst full season as a pro. Yet, he has two Pro Bowl appearances, an All-Pro selection and can still be a fearsome edge pass rusher. His contract has three seasons to run on it.
Kiwanuka will be 27 this season, three years younger than Osi. Kiwi is in the final year of his contract, and has expressed his own desire to be a full-fledged starter. He is a better run defender than Umenyiora, but his career high in quarterback sacks is only eight, and he had just three in 2009. I believe It's a pretty safe bet that if both guys are Giants in 2010 and Kiwanuka does not start that he walks away after the season.
So, which guy stays? Which guy goes?
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No question, Kiwi
Kiwi is younger and plays the run. I think he’s better too…just will they friggin stop moving him around and leave him at the RE spot? (no DE..LB only a teeny bit of the time)
Running AMOK
Imagine...
how much better Kiwi would be at DE if he was allowed to develop better. I mean, he was drafted as a DE and then kept switching back and forth at OLB. I think it did his development a bit of a disservice.
serious????
Kiwi is a Good DE better on the run is ok but Not better on the Pass rush, Not better on the field. You Look a Giants.com and see the recent post Osi is pretty much in all of those. He can bring any QB up in the pocket problem is Who’s gonna push the QB back?
by RagingBattleAxe on Apr 15, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You simply can't judge the DE's performance last year without considering the poor interior play from the DL.
That was a good point and one a few of us have(wisely) been harping on since the middle of last season. Edge rushers need a push from the middle to help collapse the pocket. If you watch any team that has been successful rushing the passer, you will find their middle to be effective at pushing back the guards and center.
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I agree free
he is better and if they left him at RE, I think we would see somethin special, all this LB, DT stuff needs to stop, the guy has systematically done a good job at whatever they ask him to do and i know that doesnt go un noticed in this frachise, KIWI will be a Giant for a long time.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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I agree free
Kiwi would be a stud already if he hadn’t gotten tossed all over the place. The fact that they tried to come up with so many wonky different ways to get him on the field tells you they think he is a talent worth having on the field. Sure his #s weren’t great last year, but he wasn’t getting the opportunity to start full time and everyone had a down year with BS at the helm. Osi is getting older and has gone from being better as a pass rusher to being “just” a pass rusher.
and I meant "no DT"
but play SLB as our backup, especially if they get a DE like Morgan.
(**salivates) Morgan, TUck, Osi, Kiwi and Sintim.
There’s be nothing but a helmet and a torn jersey left of the QB.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 14, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Then where would Canty play
I dont think he is the highest paid on the D line just to play 2 downs when he is capable of rushing the passer as well
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
you talking every 2 downs
cuz I don’t think they’ll be as robotic as your idea.
Canty’s a pass rusher now huh…interesting.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
MY IDEA??? Thanks
But its actually the Giants idea, Canty is a 3 down player yes, absolutely, that’s what he was in Dallas, do you see his size and athleticism not to mention his paycheck, are you kidding me?, Of course he is expected to be a pass rusher, Freddy was! why not Canty, I swear that was stated by Jerry Reese when he signed him, he was even split out at end for different looks last year and says Fewell is expecting to be “very multiple”!!!! “Canty’s a pass rusher now huh…interesting.”?? from the inside, yes, or let me guess you want Kiwi back inside next to Tuck?? I think a healthy Canty is the first candidate for that job IMO.
And yes even over Alford! SMH
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Karim, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I'm surprised the early voting is so close
For the long term Kiwi is much more valuable. He has a more well rounded skill set. He had a lot of tackles in the backfield last year and got decent pressure. Osi made a number of big plays, but was invisible on way too many plays. Plus Kiwi is younger.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
Contract will be a factor
Do the Giants see Osi as a value with his current contract?
Can Kiwi be signed to a longer term deal at a good price?
Who makes more valuable trade bait?
They may trade Kiwi for the wrong reasons.
Tough
Osi
- More talented pass rusher and has a knack for causing fumbles and making plays.
- Has a big ego. He thinks he’s playing better than he really is, which means he doesn’t work as hard as he should to improve his game.
- Still signed for 2 more years at very reasonable pay
- He’ll want a new deal if he has a big 2010 season
- Value will be shot if he has a bad 2010 season
Kiwi
- More versatile; he has played DE, DT, and LB for the Giants.
- He’s more of a team player. He has done what’s been asked of him without causing major waves.
- In his only season as a full-time, starting DE, he did well.
- Will be an RFA so you still have some control over him.
- Osi has been in the league 2 years longer than Kiwi so probably more beat up; Kiwi is 1.5 years younger than Osi
- Needs to develop his pass-rushing moves more; enough with the pressures and get more actual sacks.
I dont know that I would say he is versatile
He didnt “play” DT, he rushed from the position on some obvious passing situations, and really didnt do very well. Yes he did play SLB for 10 games, but again wasnt really that good. He was terrible in space.
He is a RDE just like Osi.
he didn't do "well" in 2008
he did decent. 8 sacks when the other 3 DLine players are getting all the attention is not a good season
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 14, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It was well considering that it was his first season as a full-time, starting DE
I didn’t say he was great but it was certainly a step in the right direction. Also, don’t tell me that everyone else was getting all the attention because nobody expected the defense to get better with Strahan retired and Osi injured.
I mean getting the attention of the pass blockers
double teams etc
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep Osi, without a doubt....
but since Kiwi would probably yield us a Ham Sandwich I can see us dealing Osi.
I could also dump both these underachievers and go after Morgan!!!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
+1
Kiwi is younger, but IMO Osi can be the much better player. When healthy, Osi is a very good pass rusher. He has never been great against the run, but last year was espeically bad probably because he was coming off a knee injury.
I would rather have a potential difference maker for a few years than the solid player for 5.
Totally meant to hit Kiwi (to stay)
but i hit umeyiora, smh anyway this is not even a real question to me
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
I'd like to know who the actual Giants fans are who voted for both to go
I know the voting’s open to all comers..but an actual Giants fan who wants both to go needs their head examined.
Running AMOK
Give me a late 1st for Osi and a late 2nd for Kiwi and I'd do it in a HEART BEAT.
But it’s me we’re talking about here….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
wow
it would be like the mid-80’s Giants trading Carl Banks and Harry Carson.
Interesting.
This is our bread and butter. The Giants are no good without their DE’s. So you want the Giants no good.
Good.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
morgan and jpp
replace osi and kiwi.
and yes i expect to get murdered for saying this.
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not at all what i think they should do
but if both leave.. as 9 people have suggested.. that would be my answer
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna murder...
just be happy it has no chance of happening.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO Morgan will be better than both....
and he’s an every down DE…..not like frick and frack
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
yah but we dont have to give up a 1st for osi and kiwi
of course wed want morgan but were dealing with what we have. If we get morgan then its a different story
we already gave up a 1st for Kiwi.
and we’re still waiting for the return on that investment….
If we deal both of them and get an extra 1st and 2nd for Osi and Kiwi i’d made it a point to go out and get Morgan.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I hope Morgan is, if he's on the Giants
I’d rather see all 3 + Tuck on the Giants.
Running AMOK
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A late 1st for Osi?
Do you mean a late first round draft pick? The Giants wouldn’t get a #2 for Osi.
yes, not to mention....and please don't laugh....
but John Clayton said he was worth a 1st round draft pick….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
up to 29 now
i really have a hard time seeing 29 giants fans say they want both gone. troll much?
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Allie Sherman, Free...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
A Bird in the Hand is worth two in the Bush....
Osi > Kiwi…..
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
osi v kiwi
This is a tough choice…if you go based on last year kiwi is the obvious choice, better productivity. But I think you need to let osi have at least one more year on a surgically repaired knee. Everyone knows, you are a little more unsure that first year. Its not fair to jump to the conclusion to early. But osi does need to change his attitude.
judging by the polls and the comments im in the minority...
bue Kiwi never really impressed me.. Osi has. keep osi. his big play ability is almost unmatched in the enitre NFL as far as DE’s go. he has even admitted himself that he was no where near as strong as he should have been in 2009. with a 100% knee, a full off season of workouts, watch for the run D of Osi to greatly improve. 15 sacks from Osi this year, the usual touchdown or two he gives us, and a much much improved run D. keep Osi i say.
i would like to keep both, but its not looking that way.
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
Kiwanuka all the way
Kiwanuka had a great year in 2008 before he started to where down because he had no one backing him up.!
Osi is good but Kiwanuka is more well round and more versatile then Osi, Kiwi plays DE,DT and LB be serious no question, but because Osi is more popular and more known if we trade one of them it makes more sense to trade osi because we can get more but I think we should keep both.
you can't proclaim a great year if he doesn't finish as strong as he started
that’s like a basketball player dropping 50 his first game, then saying the remaining 81 games got in the way of it being a great season.
Kiwi had a good season. He’s a good DE. not great. probably never will be. he plays more positions, but doesn’t play them well. he was a bust as a LB let’s face it.
if we had to trade one, i’d say Osi, but only because he’d get us more in return. If Osi stays this year, Kiwi will be gone after the season. mark it down.
The best case scenario is that they'll
both be able to stick around one more year. That would provide a better perspective on who should stay. If I’d have to make a choice now, I say keep Kiwi.
this is what I'm hoping
Best case we win the Bowl and both accept roles that work best for the TEAM.
Do the job that TC asks you to do. He is coaching to win games and this should be their concern as well. If they can’t get past the self important EGO thing… than i go with option 3. CYA!
Football is about team, Not Osi, Not Kiwi. If they can’t figure this out I don’t want to have to pull for either one of them on a Sunday. Gimme an extra 2 high end picks next year.
NY Post
did anyone read Eli’s comments about Osi in today’s NY Post? Very positive!
A bit off topic. Eli has become the leader of the NY Giants.
Not increeibly fond of Kiwi
but Osi is going to be 30, shredded his knee, and has never been that good at run containment (also, he has a real penchant for disappearing in important games… remember the GB Play-Off game?). Kiwi is a younger, have less wear on his body, and although he has had injuries, they are not of the variety that happen so much, more of people do cheap crap to him.
Osi,either way Morgan is a huge possibility.
I think Osi’s big play ability would be very hard to replace.For the next few seasons,with Morgan coming in to provide stability to the DE rotation.But I think Morgan’s upside is better than people make it out to be,he’s a big dude,and a technician.I think he’s accending not maxed out,which is how he is portrayed.Don’t forget DE is our signature position for a few years now.
Keep Kiwi
Because of the run stuffing ability(Osi is very one dimensional) although I’m not huge on Kiwi. The thought of getting rid of both is insane and terribly irresponsible IMO, based on what got us to the SB, rushing the passer. Ideally fitting DMorgan into the mix would make for quite the D-Line presence and would offset the blow of trading one of them.
This question makes me miss Strahan, for all the crap he sometimes said that dude just flat out played the pass AND run as good as anybody.
I Am Tobikan Judan
How is it that the poll asks"if you could only keep one or the other" and then has an option to get rid of both?
Is that the suicide option? Look, I doubt a rookie is going to come in and instantly replace any of our DE’s(ok, maybe Tollefson), but it would be good to bring another player in to develop, which is probably the desired option. We can still get some production from both at a cheaper total price than you may have to pay a #15 pick. while we try to bring up a lower priced option. We’ve already seen JR’s ability to mine diamonds from the dirt.
It just doesn’t feel right tearing down players because of injuries(Osi) and mismanagement of their development(Kiwi). I don’t know about you guys, but I’m for chalking up Osi’s comment to being much ado about nothing and only 0.002% of the chatter generated from it. The media and fans have taken it most of the way. If he was going to be a problem, I can’t see him showing up for the off-season program as anything other than an indication that people are clinging to something that has been blown out of proportion.
Considering the fact that Kiwi is playing for a contract and Osi will do nothing for himself by having anything less than a stellar year, I’m betting we benefit more by keeping them. Of course I’m gambling on Osi’s massive, if not unjustified, pride causing him to step it up.
Of course, this is only the humble opinion of a loyal Giants fan who hasn’t soon forgotten what these player’s contributions have been in the past.
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George Selvie or Brandon Lang
in the 4th!
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 14, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
I chose to give people the third option, that’s all. I thought about it, and decided to give a third choice.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
In agreement here sun
We keep telling Osi to shut up; yet Osi hasn’t spoken a word about it in months. The only ones who are still talking about it is us. So maybe we need to shut up about it. Osi attended the voluntary workouts, and hasn’t caused a ripple. Yet on the flipside, i don’t see to much anger aimed at Kiwi since he made his (more recent) comments. Not that i want us to be angry at him, i’m just showing the inconsistencies on this board when it comes to Osi and Kiwi.
You’re not the only one who hasn’t forgotten what these players have bought to this team Sun. I stand with you on that statement.
Option 4?
See which one is better this year before making a decision?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Sure
I didn’t say a decision has to be made this summer. I said “long-term.” Which would include the possibility of waiting a year to see how it all plays out.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I was more responding to the "trade osi" bandwagon that was running rough shod through here.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I hear you
This is a long-term choice, really, not a 2010 one.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
I’m just bleh right now. I think all of us have cabin fever and I really can’t wait until the next season starts.
I can’t stand anymore Weatherspoon can be a MLB, no he can’t, yes he can, he’d be better than McClain, Spiller, Spiller, Spiller, Morgan, Spiller.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I wish they could keep both
but if you could only pick 1 it has to be Osi. Getting beat by the pass is just too common now to care about run defense as much. And Kiwi is practically invisible on pass plays. Good defenses are built on rushing the passer not stopping the run.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Coaches all say that....
And then they fill the air with passes.
by giant fan since 57 on Apr 14, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
most (all?) of the defense had started to uber freelance by that point… and no defense can work at all in the NFL when doing that.
Good defenses are built on rushing the passer not stopping the run
not nessecarily. in 2007 the team with the leading rushing attack won the superbowl. if more teams focused on stopping the run, instead of rushing the passer, said team might not have won the superbowl that year. running, and stopping the run are 2 of 4 major major facotrs in wining football games. the other 2.. passing and stopping the pass
Dear God: Please fix Carlos Beltran. Thank you.
by Plaxico Burress on Apr 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
2 of 4 major major facotrs in wining football games. the other 2.. passing and stopping the pass
who am I? John Madden?
“you gotta score more points then the other team if you wanna win the game”
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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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Trade Kiwi
Osi is more of a playmaker than Kiwi. Osi has a knack for the football. The football just naturally comes to him, whether that’s fumble recoveries and defensive touchdowns. Plus he has a very talented burst off the snap. Osi just has to use his talent better. Use that terrific burst off the snap to make a TFL in the back field against the run — not cheat to the QB.
Kiwi is “what you see, is what you get”. I don’t see Kiwi getting better and he’s not much of a play-maker, especially for a first round pick. Kiwi is also not an impact player, either. He’s just a solid player, a role guy. Kiwi is just average. He’s OK against the run, and he’s OK against the pass. Kiwi can get beat at the POA and he doesn’t much of a burst off the snap. Kiwi can also fall down when you run right at him.
I think its better to use Kiwi as a 2-down player and use Osi as a situational pass rusher. IIRC, Osi had 3 sacks as a situational pass rusher last year. Whereas Kiwi only had about 3 sacks all year playing inside on 3rd down. Unfotunately, Osi will never want to become a situational player, and Kiwi wants to be a full-time starter.
Trade Kiwi, he has more value. He’s GOING to leave the Giants unless he’s a starter, we’re better off trading him. Plus we won the SB with Kiwi on the bench. (Btw, I think Osi is going to enter this season at 29, not 30)
As much as Osi has irritated us all he has the ability to take over a game.
He is incredibly explosive and has great instincts for the big play at critical times. Yes, he is not steady at run defense but I still think if he can stay healthy he is the correct one to pick if we have to.
by giant fan since 57 on Apr 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Rule of thumb
I think a good rule of thumb to follow is to get rid of the bigger pain in the butt, or what I like to call the “Jeremy Shockey” rule. So Osi has got to go.
who has proclaimed him a pain in the butt
besides you john, or some other fans or media? it’s the organization that counts and those words or anything close to it hasn’t been uttered from them.
Neither one
Let’s trade the two of them, and draft a defensive who is as good against the run as he is at rushing the passer. Any Strahans around? I can only dream.
They are both limited
in one respect or another. Kiwi is a great team guy and sound overall player but he is ALWAYS a second to late on the pass rush. Osi is a dope and can’t stop the run but has very good pass rush skills when healthy. I would start Kiwi and bring Osi in to play the Tuck role of 2007. Osi has no cards to play since he’s signed for a few more years and getting up there in age. Show Kiwi the love AND keep Osi too. It’s not like Osi is a team leader and can sabatoge the locker room so F him if he doesn’t like it.
I'm all for keeping Kiwi if it's a choice of he or Osi...
Kiwi hasn’t been the player that was hoped, but he’s sacrificed some of his immediate upside to fill in as asked, he’s better against the run, has a more balanced skill set, causes fewer headaches, is younger, is less of a physical question mark and if he concentrates on just one position and is left there, may yet have some of the upside we’ve been hoping for. I don’t have a problem with keeping both for this season, but unless Osi suddenly returns to his peak performance phase, or rethinks the role he can and is willing to play, I don’t see him past this year. If he’s not better than last year, we’ll all be happy to see him leave. If he’s at his career best, he can either stay or bring in a good haul in trade. That said if Reese is afraid what we saw is what he is, I don’t mind him being traded now before he repeats last year and still has decent trade value. Either way, I won’t be upset if we end up with Morgan if McClain is off the board for us.
I voted to trade them both
But only because I thought it would be funny. I don’t think we should trade either player to be honest. I am not to fond of trading away our young talent. Granted Osi isn’t young but he does have at least 4 more productive seasons. Let’s let Fewell do his job. We did get the right man for the DC job. Let him work his magic with our talent. Who knows maybe Goff and Sintim will thrive in his system.
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OSI
I dont think his knee was a 100% healed and you have to admire his first step rushing the quarterback, Kiwi just hasn’t shown as much over the years and he’s worth more in trade value now
we all forget that
he did what he did(lead the team in sacks, second in the LEAGUE in fumble recoveries) on a still recovering knee. instead of praising him for that, we’ve crucified him for that. Crazy.
I do think however, he still would fetch us more than Kiwi, even at this point in his career. if not for name recognition alone, he still has a higher upside than Kiwi. i don’t think Kiwi’s name rings bells outside of the NY/NJ area.
We have crucified
Osi for leaning on his reputation, for playing poorly, and for not being willing to look in the mirror and accept responsibility. All we really want is for him to prove on the field that he is still as good as he says he is.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Osi has ever been as good as Osi says he is.
I think he is still good enough to keep and think this will be a big year for him. His pride, unjustified as it may be, will drive him to perform above what we’ve seen of him in a few years. He’s gotta know that if he doesn’t, he’ll carry no weight in contract negotiations or trade value and even less credibility in the media. He will end up being the loneliest player at his locker with reporters encircling other, more productive Giants.
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A lot of players are like that
they think they are the best in the entire league.
You have to think that way IMO, how do you beat a team if you know they are more talented??
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to keep both
but I know neither of them would allow that.
Keep Kiwi, but try to get some value from a trade of Osi.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 15, 2010 2:03 AM EDT reply actions
Choices
No one is going anywhere this year. We will take care of this after 2010 season. So we keep both for this year. Superbowl bound baby!
OK I have officially jumped off the Osi bandwagon
Strictly because I think Kiwi is a better option long-term. I love Osi as a player and think he stil has a lot left in the tank, but I just think we’d be better served keeping Kiwi who is a class act and hard working player. Let’s get that early 2nd rounder!!!
1st -Derrick Morgan
2nd – Sean Weatherspoon, and Brian Price
3rd – OL
4th – S
5th -RB
6th – OLB
7th – ZOLTAN
fill in the blanks!
Just gimme some playmakers
i'll never forgive kiwi
for that abysmal hug/tackle on vince young that gave away that tennessee game a few years back. that plus the fact that when osi’s on, he’s a pro-bowl caliber pass rusher (and kiwi hasn’t approached the numbers that osi has put up thus far), i’m sticking with osi.
There is a reason for everything
Kiwi didnt follow through with tackling Vince because he thought he heard the whistle, the week prior he got flagged for tackling the QB after the whistle so he didnt want to penalize the team, by the way KIWI is a waaaay better tackler than Osi, Osi doesnt like to get dirty at all actually
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rolando McClain, Brian Price, John Jerry, Jamar Chaney, Deji Kenji, Kenny Alfred, Rafael Priest....... April 22-24th.
get me a career year from both these guys...
can’t we just split the plays equally between Osi,Tuck,and Kiwi?I don’t like to feel like we “need” Morgan.I just want to add BPAat any need position and then jump up from 46 and grab ’Spoon.
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