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Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

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Just how big of a need is running back for our New York Giants? If you believe the pundits predicting the demise of Brandon Jacobs, maybe it is a bigger need than we have really been willing to admit.

With Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, D.J. Ware, Andre Brown and Gartrell Johnson the Giants certainly have lots of options. The question is, can they really rely on any of those guys to carry the bulk of the running load?

I suspect the upcoming draft will tell us a lot about how General Manager Jerry Reese and the rest of the Giants brain trust feel about that question.

With that in mind, let's use today's Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile to look at a player who might fill the bill as a power running back for the Giants. Montario Hardesty of Tennessee, a hard-running 6-foot, 225-pound back whose draft stock has been climbing.

Let's take a closer look.

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Montario Hardesty Scouting Reports

From SB Nation's Mocking The Draft.

Hardesty is a one-cut runner who quickly makes a decision and hits the hole. Shows a good power burst through the line. .... Can shrug off arm tackles. Easily can be described as a downhill runner.

Hardesty's best asset is his power. He won't outrun many opponents, but he can run through them. He rates as high as he does because he combines his power with pass catching ability.

Still, he has an injury history that can't be ignored. Had a stress fracture in 2008, missed a lot of time in 2007 with ankle sprains and tore his ACL in high school. You also have to question Hardesty's ordinary play until his senior year.

From the National Football Post.

A tall, well-built back with a strong lower body and an aggressive running style when attacking the line of scrimmage, Hardesty does a nice job keeping his pad level down inside and is surprisingly slippery for a guy his size. He does a nice job setting up blocks, being patient inside and accelerating into daylight. ... He does a great job in the pass game and has the ability to be split out wide and can separate from defensive backs in the pass game. He's a natural receiver who plucks the ball away from his body and is comfortable running routes and creating after the catch. Hardesty is also a very efficient pass protector ... He's had some health issues that need to be checked out, and his future durability is a concern.

From Draft Countdown.

Adequate height and bulk ... Quality natural athlete ... Quick ... A patient runner with excellent vision and instincts ... Soft hands and is a reliable receiver ... Outstanding ball security ... First-rate competitor ... Terrific work ethic ... Still improving.

Just average speed ... Not overly elusive ... Isn't very explosive and lacks a burst ... Not really a breakaway / big play threat ... Durability is a big concern ... Relatively limited  track record.

Saw his draft stock skyrocket in 2009 after entering the season with a late round / free agent grade ... The type who does everything well but nothing great ... Has the talent to contribute and maybe even compete for a starting job as long  as he can stay healthy.

Why Hardesty fits with the Giants

Because there are questions about all of the backs on the Giants roster. The Giants, in my opinion, need to begin looking for a power back other than Brandon Jacobs. At 6-foot, 225 pounds Hardesty sounds like a player who could take on that role. His pass-catching ability also means he is not a one-dimensional player.

Why the Giants should pass

The durability issues. The Giants just went through a season where every one of the backs they used came up injured at one time or another. They don't need to be bringing in more guys with injury issues.

(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com. Follow Big Blue View on Twitter.)

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No more Injuries!

Please. Maybe we should look into getting Tebow so he can lead a prayer against injuries to his father before every game.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 1, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of Injuries

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/earl-thomas-runs-fast-pulls-hamstring/

Maybe a great Safety but hate to have that said followed by when he plays.. Bob Sanders? Who pulls a hammy running a 40 on a fast track?? Doh!

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 1, 2010 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

He's a lot like Andre Brown

who I liked pre-Achilles injury.

Barring no RB in the first 3 or so rounds, he’s staring at them in the 4/5 range…I’d go for it.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Hardesty a little better

I think he has a little bit better burst and is more agile. But they are very similar players so I don’t see the reason for taking the same player in back to back years.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

it'd be the same reason RB is in the convo in the first place

Brown’s injury.

Don’t really see how the outlook for Brown can be any better then Kenny Phillips, epsecially since Brown is a RB.

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is this...

I think Andre Brown is a backup running back in the NFL. DJ Ware or Gartell Johnson can be our backups if Brown isn’t healthy.

If we plan to draft a running back based on question marks about Brown’s health, I don’t think that’s necessary. If we are going to draft a running back because BJ is in a downslide and Bradshaw doesn’t appear to be able to carry the load full time (be it due to his size or injury history, not production), I’m fine with that. But I’d rather draft someone that Jerry Reese sees as a potential starter down the road.

Basically, I don’t think we have depth issues. Running back are a dime a dozen. I think we have issues with our starting running back(s).

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I agree that there are questions around our starters

one thing to also consider is role not just depth. Short yardage, 3rd down etc. there are a lot of different roles for RBs. The player that can really do them all is a rare find. That’s why when building a RB stable I think it is important to consider not just depth but which roles you have covered.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your point

I’d really like to have a running back on our roster that can pick up a 3rd and 1. What a nice change that would be!

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we have a bunch of backs

capable of getting a 3rd and1 to be honest. The problem is our teams mentality, short yardage like that has been an issue for us for the past 3-4 yrs to be real, we just seem to do bad in those situations. I think we have the talent but our short yardage toughness has to improve and this goes for RB’s and OL as well.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 1, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of it starts up front

But this is an area that has to improve. Like you said, we have struggled with 3rd/4th and short for a couple years.

To me, Bradshaw is the only dependable running back in these situations. He is tough to see until he comes through the line due to his small stature. He is also able to slither into holes that Jacobs is not.

I think Jacobs upright running style and slow acceleration are not conducive to picking up 1st downs in short yardage situations.

The rest of the guys are just question marks.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Backup RBs

also need to contribute to Special Teams

If the Giants do not draft a RB they are gambling that between BJ and AB there is enough health and production to handle 80-85% of the carries. Brown is neither healthy nor a proven top tier NFL RB. DW and GJ are question marks.

Partly because I think we might get a surprise ( one of three question marks actually excels) I am actually OK with that gamble but I know a lot of people on this board are not.

I do wonder what JR thinks and like someone said – we will know on draft day.

by MSP Giant on Apr 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

that guys name is ahmad bradshaw

as long as KG doesnt call a dumb shotgun draw sweep the kids great at picking up the first on 3rd and one. i can remember at least one or two goalline situations where BJ was stuffed on 1st and second and on 3rd down ahmad breaks right through the line

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by Plaxico Burress on Apr 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gartell Johnson 2.0

This guy is exactly like gartell here’s a scouting report from mocking the draft you posted on gartell when we signed him

“Strengths: A powerfully built, one-cut running back, Johnson really came on during his senior season. Quick feet and has good agility. Great vision. Has a body that allows him to shake off tacklers. Runs with a good, wide base. Gets terrific body lean and could be good in short yardage plays.
Weaknesses: Does not have great speed. Doesn’t have a great initial burst at the line of scrimmage, which can make it hard for him to quickly scoot through a hole. Not the best receiver out of the backfield. Needs to improve his hands and route running.”

so I vote no, since we have his twin. His twin costs 0 draft picks since we have him already.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Except he’s more injury prone and can catch.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 8:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gartrell

I think Gartrell is going to get a big opportunity during camp. Let’s see if he takes advantage of it.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 1, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

For sure Ed.

I believe he will, I really like the kids style. I’m a fan of oldschool pound the rock football and he is very familiar with it. I believe he will take the wheel when Brandon Jacobs tires fall off.

I’m not sure about starting a Spiller type back, I think your #1 should be a curb stomp and your #2 should be a quick juke em’ up type guy. I also think this guy could be a devestating blocker with his power I.E. MJD vs. Shawn merriman.

Any how back to work time to put the iPhone away for a bit.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 8:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with

a shifty little blazer for an every down back. Remember Tiki? Even though i can’t stand the sight of the guy now he was everything for us for quite sometime. Put together a borderline HOF career rushing and receiving.
A guy like Spiller would add a whole new element to a team like ours. I know we want to get back to “Giants” football, but we could just as easily throw a spread offense out there. and Spiller makes that set pretty damn hard to cover, with his pass catching ability and speed Defenses would be forced to sort of “pick their poison”
A guy like this or Gartrell gives us more of the same in the backfield, which isn’t bad, it’s “Giants” football. Control the clock pound the ball. We already got that in the backfield, 1 of the 4 if not a combination of them will be able to handle that aspect of the game. If were gonna draft an RB I’d prefer to see them provide the team with another threat that the opposition needs to worry about, not more of the same.

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

**in his 6th year

the first 5 were basically how you think of Spiller

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

We have Jacobs, Bradshaw and maybe Brown to help

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You realize

your making good arguments why Spiller would be a bad choice.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki was a nice weapon to start off.

Spiller’s a much better athlete then Tiki ever was.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki was a much better 3rd down back

Tiki was brought in to be the third down back and only got that chance at starter later on after a combo of him developing and others not producing. Spiller does not have the same abilities as a 3rd down back. Tiki was also a 2nd round pick, not a first.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller is a first round pick

cuz he’s 3x the athlete Tiki is.

You’re underestimating the importance and need for a 3rd down back.

You’re also underestimating Spiller as merely a 3rd down back.

And how the hell does he not have the same abilities? He’s got all that Tiki had + the ability to run by people.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not underestimating need for 3rd down back

If you read my posts you’ll see that’s what I’m constantly calling for as a need, but Spiller doesn’t fill it. The #1 thing for a 3rd down back is pass protection not pass catching ability.

“Struggles to sustain blocks in pass protection.”
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/c.j.-spiller?id=497204#tabs:tab-analysis

NFL.com lists my other big beef too:

“Dances too much in the hole and has too many negative plays”

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

right here disagrees with it

Spiller can block.

  1. think isn’t necessarily outright protecting Eli, its chip blocking and going out for the pass….something Tiki Barber was a master at..but the current crop are atrocious at.

Spiller excels at it.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

From that same source

“although he lacks the bulk to sustain and may struggle to stay strong against top pro linebackers”

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before that...

“willing to stand up to DE’s and LB’s”

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being willing is great

but you have to be able to actually do it too. There are plenty of guys out there “willing” to do anything to play football. That doesn’t mean they “can.”

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

and all it says is struggles to sustain blocks

the point of him is the have him go out on routes.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that is what he was mainly asked to do at Clemson...

go out on routes. He is a great receiver for a running back. But he is not a good blocker right now.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

maybe Eli can actually dump the ball off quick and get a 1st down.

I like it!!

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you dump on 3rd and 13

you most likely are not getting the 1st down.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

you both miss the point.

typical..really.

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free, my friend

We talked about this. The first part of the comment is fine. It’s the ‘typical. really’ that is sarcastic and unnecessary.
At some point — and this applies to everybody — you have to realize some people will disagree with you and let it go.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 1, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

my bone

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd and 13

we’re in an empty set anyway

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

just sayin what i’ve seen gilbride call… empty sets are a part of the NFL. they do exist, unlike the rumor that there is a smart executive in Oakland

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Empty sets exist

They generally aren’t meant for a 13 yard play though. When you go empty you are basically playing a spread O, which despite the nnumber of recievers and amoutn passing is a short yardage style attack. You simply don’t have enough men in protection for a lot of longer routes to develop and come open. Spread plays utilize quick passes on short “routes” and hope the WR can do some YAC. That is why spread QBs from college don’t do so well in the NFL. They can’t make the intermediate and long throws and aren’t used to timing routes or anticipating guys coming open downfield. An empty set play on 3rd and 13 would be a very low percentage of success. Teams might try empty on a 3rd and short if they don’t feel they can slam it through (Patriots).

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is why the dump pass I suggested

and the “Maybe” and “Can actually” thing, is what I said.

As in “Maybe” if we do have a back we can dump the ball off to, we “actually can” get the 1st down on a 3rd and 13.

…like teams like the Eagles always destroy the Giants on, cuz they have Westbrook and no McCoy, who can do such things.

You can go 5 wide, or 4 wide in the shotgun with Spiller there. Let em rush, dump off to Spiller after the chip block….and see what he can do.

Tiki used to do that.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if they blitz 5-6 guys

someone will always shadow the rb

don’t think that he can just chip and have the entire defense forget about him.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

also
Fiery kid who throws his body around and fights for extra yards.

LOL!

That disagrees with basically everything people who knock Spiller have to say against him.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller is not a good blocker

I’ve watched every Clemson game for the last 4 years. It is not his strong suit, trust me.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

good blocker?

Like a last point of attack sustain blocker? Probably not.

But a dude who’ll hit you and go out for a pass? Pretty sure he’d very good at that.

Also since he’s a dude who’s kinda like a Clinton Portis, small..yet likes to hit people…this is not a thing that has to be a natural instinct.

You can teach it.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller does not like to hit people

not sure where you are getting that from. He avoids contact when he runs.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I saw the wrong CJ Spiller?

Got it from my own eyes, and also a few scouting reports say it too.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the guy

he is my favorite player and I would love for him to become a NYG. But I’m also honest when assessing him. He has played hurt many times, so I don’t question his toughness (maybe that’s what you are referring to). But he is not a physical running back when it comes to running and blocking. He wants to avoid contact, make defenders miss, and take it to the house.

Come on over to sbnation’s Clemson blog, www.shakinthesouthland.com, if you want to get other opinions.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mean tto say he's a tough inside runner

I know he likes to bounce the ball out side and runs out of bounds.

But on more then a few occasions I see him lowering his shoulder.

that NFL.com scouting report said it..he’s a fiery dude.

He’d rather just break off long runs, but that’s not the only thing.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta respect that

You like the player but can give an honest evaluation. I respect that.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The chip and slip isn't good enough

In the NFL you can’t rely on just the chip and slip on 3rd down, especially not 3rd and anything greater than 5. Your QB will be eating turf before routes come open at long enough yardage. The chip and slip is good for that 2nd down screen, but I want a back who can hold a little more ground to be a true 3rd down back.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if i want a blocker he’ll be close to 300lbs. that’s not what we’re after with spiller

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

^this

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

That shows some lack of knowledge on a blocking 3rd down back. We are talking about pass protection blocking. Not a fridge FB for short yardage running here.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

with a good enough back you can negate the pass rush by making the defense react to what he’s doing. in essence a 5th wr. so the d has to pick it’s poison blitz and leave our wr’s single covered and “a pass catching RB” covered by some MLB who can’t keep up (see Antonio Pierce v Westbrook) or you rush 4 and eli has all day anyway.
This ability to block thing is an afterthought on a guy like Spiller

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

By that logic

Teams wouldn’t even play a runningback on 3rd, they’d just go empty set. You don’t see this though because it doesn’t work like you said it does. You need someone to pick up the blitz. When teh defense knows exactly what yardage you need it makes covering routes a lot easier. Anything dumped off underneath will be easy to collapse on and stop before the marker is reached. If it’s 3rd and 7 the D is fine letting you get 5.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, it’s not fool proof. but it is another option to consider rather than being handcuffed into using the rb to block almost everytime… being predictable will get ya killed even if ya have an extra blocker.

I hear your points. But I really like the idea of getting an explosive weapon on the Giants. Eli does a pretty good job of reading blitzes and adjusting the play accordingly… now give him another option as to what to go to, that runs a 4.3 40.

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your feelings on predictability. The reason you have to depend on that RB to block is because he has the best chance at it. Any protection scheme you do up at the line the defense sees and adjusts around to bring the pressure where you don’t have protection. By being in the backfield the RB has the opportunity to get the blitzer no matter where he comes from and the D has no way to plan around him.

Explosive backs aren’t without value. I just see them as 1st and 2nd down options. I also don’t see them as 1st round value, but that is just my take on positional value.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

clearly.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller can run between the tackles

When Clemson went to the I-Formation and ran Spiller up the middle is when they were at their best.

by ggggmen08 on Apr 1, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious

Is Spiller 3x faster than Tiki was or 3x stronger? I’m not really sure what metric you’re using here. Or were you just using hyperbole?

BTW are you secretly Spiller’s agent? If not you might want to consider offering him your services.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 1, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

its quite obvious that was 100% to be taken literal

Like if Tiki Barber’s speed was a 91 in Madden, Spiller’s speed is gonna be a 273.

Of course I’d like to be his agent. Dude’s gonna be a top 20 draft pick and make millions of $$.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Shortchange Tiki

Although I think Tiki is a hump for the way he left the Giants, I will admit several things:

1) Tiki was a terrific runner, particularly with cutbacks.

2) He was also a terrific BLOCKER, very underrated. HE protected Eli well.

3) He caught the ball very well out of the backfield.

Spiller has a long way to go to be as well rounded as Tiki.

by dubsrub on Apr 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki

Almost wasn’t well rounded, if it weren’t for TC he would be junk.

Tiki also did better at short yardage then most people care to realize, I think Spiller would be able too as well.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 1, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki also

Committed the cardinal sin of all running backs for his first 5 years, he fumbled every chance he got. I dnt think spiller will have that issue at all, Just stating the facts, Im not for the spiller thing at all but it may happen.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your "Why we should pass" statement..

We can’t afford another member to our annual “MASH Unit”…

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 1, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

...Sidenote...

I watched Taylor Mays’s workout yesterday..He looked awesome..hmmmm

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Apr 1, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Could be a 3rd down back

Which I really like. I really feel a solid blockign 3rd down back is our biggest backfield need. Sure, there are potential needs for more if Jaocbs and Bradshaw get hurt, but even if those players are healthy and playing at the top of their game we still don’t have a 3rd down back. What I’ve read about this guy looks good in that regard, catches the ball well and far more importantly is good in pass protection. However, those were the same things I read about Andre Brown, and Hardesty has the same concern I had with Brown, injuries. All the potential talent in the world is no good on IR. I’d pass for a more durable solution.

by bigblue777 on Apr 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Just wondering

If dt is such a need, isn’t Charles grant still a free agent? I’d rather have him than rocket Bernard.

I’m pretty sure grant could play dt well. And with a dline that has our players he wouldn’t be double teamed as he was with the saints if I remember correctly.

I don’t know him that well so if he’s a bum then forgive me.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Grant is a bum

and a DE too.

3rd strike would be that a team that could use a DE like the Saints…cut him.

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had a minster contract and mediocre production is why the saints cut him ( no salary cap) but doesn’t he have the size and pass rushing ability to be a solid dt or hell, he probably run stops better than any of our dts or de’s not named tuck or cofield.

I’m just saying in the sense of rocky Bernard vs Charles grant.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Grant is a bout 280lbs

Bernard about 325lbs.

I’d rather draft a DE then waste a spot on Grant

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at him, he registered at 285 but you know he’s really like 305. He’s big. I agree I would like to draft one, but if we don’t you would be upset with signing Charles for cheap? I know I wouldn’t

I don’t expect him to be a monster, just solid depth.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He looks like he's 305

cuz he’s fat.

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, that’s what dts are, fat. Sure he’s strong. He’s also heavier than he’s listed in my opinion.

Anyhow it probably is not going to happen I’m just throwing out depth options.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No..

he’s 285, but he’s a fat 285.

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by FreeBradshaw on Apr 1, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

lets not compare Rocky to Grant at all, even though rock was injured and had a bad year lets not disrespect his accomplishments. Pleeeease, when on his game he is “unblockable” and that word was used by Bill Parcells to describe Rocky.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 1, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree to an extent, he was good but rock is a bum now while grants expectations were higher than his production he was still a solid role player which is what I’m bringing it up for, rocky is not even a player anymore let alone role player.

Injury or not he found a way to vanish come game time which is quite impressive for someone 325 lbs.

by ianwestpalm on Apr 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wheres that rocky????

unblockable? more like unplayable in 2009. i really hope his injry was THAT bad that it cost him an entire years performance.

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Apr 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not a Bum

But he hasnt lived up to his money and expectations at all.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

LeGarrette Blount, if the following is the case

“The Giants, in my opinion, need to begin looking for a power back other than Brandon Jacobs.”

by NYCGMEN on Apr 1, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Blount!!

i love this kid.. kinda scum but sick. i would love to land him late in the draft. TC and company know how to deal with the young troublemakers so Blount would be a great pickup IMO

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Apr 1, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

And would be cool with him knocking the F out of a Cowgirl lol.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Apr 1, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and eagirl

I would lol if he smacked D. Jackson

by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 1, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

he needs a smack

i wanna see rolle anquan boldin that MFer first time he comes over the middle

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Apr 1, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Hardesty

No Thankyou

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 1, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

No thanks as well...

let’s see how our team of RBs shape up over the offseason. No reason to waste a needed draft pick on a crowded position. And before Free jumps on me, this does not include Spiller. He adds a weapon and I do not think Hardesty is a first strike weapon like Spiller. Better to use the mid to late round picks on adding depth or a sleeper.

by CCE718 on Apr 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

For CJ Spiller fans

SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline finds it hard to believe that Dolphins GM Bill Parcells is seriously interested in Clemson RB C.J. Spiller.

“For all his great athletic ability and for all his game-breaking skills, when you watch him over the last three years, he’s a very soft running back,” said Pauline. “He’s not a guy that I think is going to be a featured back at the next level.” Parcells is known for targeting big, physical players, though he did value scatback/returner Dave Meggett highly and drafted Kevin Faulk in the second round.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dolphins/joerose/2010/03/cj_spiller_is_a_soft_running_b.html

by GhostDini on Apr 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Meggett and Faulk

two names that contributed to a lot of wins… I’m in the pro spiller bandwagon, but it’s all for not. He’ll be gone and we’re gonna draft d, which i support, but damn it’d be fun to have somebody like Meggett again

by Flynner on Apr 1, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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