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Hakeem Nicks in Retrospect

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I believe that I can safely say that most of us Giants fans were very satisfied with Hakeem Nicks' rookie season. He had a very solid season statistically and looks to be a franchise wide receiver (not to mention he stayed out of trouble, unlike some former Giants receivers).

I thought it would be fun to compare Hakeem Nicks' rookie season stats with the season stats of the receivers we begged Jerry Reese to pursue in free agency last year.

Hakeem's 2009-2010 statistics are very impressive for a receiver, a rookie receiver at that. In 14 games Nicks had 47 receptions for 790 yards (16.8 yards per reception and 56.4 yards per game) while scoring 6 touchdowns.

Let's compare these statistics to those of Anquan Boldin, Brandon Marshall, and T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

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Anquan Boldin- Nearly every Giants fan was praying that JR would sign Anquan Boldin to replace Plaxico Burress. Obviously this never transpired, Boldin stayed put in Arizona for one more season, and is now a Raven.

In 2009 Boldin had 84 receptions for 1024 yards (12.2 yards per reception and 68.3 yards per game) while scoring only 4 touchdowns in 15 games.

For most receivers this would be a solid season, but for Boldin this was a down year most likely due to his desire to leave Arizona and an ankle injury.

Boldin was traded to Baltimore for a 3rd and 4th round pick. The potential of the Giants 3rd and 4th round draft picks (Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Andre Brown) along with Nicks outweighs what the Giants would have received from Boldin.

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Brandon Marshall- Another receiver that many Giants fans coveted. Marshall was tired of Denver and coach Mike Shanahan; he wanted out. Marshall is an amazing talent, but the Giants were all too familiar with legally-troubled wide receivers, and were not going to risk it.

In 2009 Marshall had 101 receptions for 1120 yards (11.1 yards per reception and 74.7 yards per game) while scoring 10 touchdowns in 15 games.

Statistically Marshall had an almost unparalleled season. His frequent legal troubles and bad attitude, however, significantly take away from the impact that his on-field performance could have. Would his statistical output have been worth the endless possibilities of trouble?

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T.J. Houshmandzadeh- The all-star receiver with the notorious last name was on the short-list of potential replacements for Plaxico Burress. While not on the same level as Boldin or Marshall, Housh is a talented wide receiver who played in the enormous shadow of Chad Johnson and his ego. What was Housh capable of in a starting receiver role?

Not much apparently. Housh went to the Seahawks and played a mostly lackluster season.

In 2009 Housh had 79 receptions for 911 yards (11.5 yards per reception and 56.9 yards per game) while scoring only 3 touchdowns in 16 games.

Nicks definitely seems like the better investment here. Housh appears to be on the downside of his career, and for Hicks the sky is the limit.

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In conclusion, JR proved why he is one of the best GM's in the NFL with his decision to draft Hakeem Nicks instead of opting for an established receiver in free agency.

Nicks had a stellar rookie season and looks to be a franchise player. The Giants were able to use the money and/or draft picks that would have been wasted away on a receiver to draft a crop of future stars, and sign several potential key defensive players (here's hoping that Canty, Boley, Bernard, ect. step it up next season).

This is my first post on BBV, hope it isn't too terrible!

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Good stuff.

You can count me in the apparent minorty that wanted nothing to do with these veteran WR.

You forgot Braylon Edwards tho..he was “candidate #1” for the most part.

I’m glad they passed them all up. Housh and Boldin are on the downslide.

Marshall’s great, but he’s a headache like Plax, not worth it. And of course Braylon Edwards sucks.

Either way, you can count the emergence of Steve Smith as Eli’s go to WR and Manningham as a electric WR with the ball in his hands as an excellent example of why JR made the right move.

Any Giants fan who saw the games last year can tell that Hakeem has all the talent in the world, and may be the best of all of them.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 9, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

I knew I was forgetting someone

Braylon Edwards completely slipped my mind. Also glad the Giants did not sign him, with the winter winds in the Meadowlands he may have had more dropped passes than recepetions.

by Logan_Davis on Mar 9, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Dude

He played for the Jets, in the Meadowlands! lol he sucks either way but I was all about getting him, not for the first and 3rd and 5th they wanted but still glad i was wrong and our wideouts proved it.. Nicks is the guy I wanted in the draft and I like him more then Britt then and now. Good post nice to see how wrong most of us were.

All's Well that Fewell

by gobs56 on Mar 9, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

Was just messing with you about the Meadowlands thing… Southeast Florida here I do go to Bonita alot though love the west side.

All's Well that Fewell

by gobs56 on Mar 9, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah I know..its all good. Completely forgot he went to the Jets until you said that…the fact that I couldn’t even remember which team he went to proves that we didn’t miss out on much.

by Logan_Davis on Mar 9, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I want Steve Smith back in the slot

Manningham and Nicks on the outside. Nice to have you here Logan. I think Nicks had a great year as a rookie. I see him and Ham making big strides this year.

by wangstu13 on Mar 9, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

i agree.. i also like barden a lot too..

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Mar 9, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely right on

smith in the slot and the burners on the sides

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 10, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

respectfully disagree

why do we want to fix something thats not broke? SS had his best season as a starter, why do we want to convert him back to slot? I’m not aiming this specifically at you wang, i’ve seen this echoed by a few people. But why? he didn’t have an 800-900 yard, 60 catch, 3 TD season as a starter. he had a PRO BOWL, 1100 6 TD 100+ yard season. what else would either mario or nicks do that would have us promote them and demote Steve? why would we demote someone for doing well, what occupation does that?

by wilddre22 on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Simple

He is good outside but great inside, not to mention ham is better outside so in an effort to get all of them on the field smith would have to slide inside but i still say him and nicks start in 2 WR set

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok i get that

Listen, as long as the other steve doesn’t lose snaps, i’m fine with putting him wherever. or, as you say, start him and move him to the slot in 3/4 receiver sets(although thats probably what gilbride did)

Hey free, how about a 5 receiver set with Jacobs in the slot? Then he could run reverses and other wide runs that would drive you guys crazy! lol!

by wilddre22 on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Outside or in the slot....

I don’t think that you’ll have to worry about Smith losing any snaps. Smith is Eli’s safety blanket. 3rd and Smith all year long!

by njgiant on Mar 10, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They did this last year

Smith slid inside on quite a few 3 or 4 WR sets and was an outside man on the 2 WR sets. The Pats do the same thing with Welker. If the player can mentally handle working from different spots (which Smith can) it gives you a lot of options and versatility.

by bigblue777 on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

meh...

lets just get em all on the field?

Smith, HAM, Nicks…Barden..anyone, in the slot. Who cares?

Move em around, create mismatches.

You listening Killdrive?

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Killdrive LMAO

he does do that! he has too many weapons than he needs for his style of offense, could you imagine if we had sean peyton or the HC from KC as our OC, he had 3 1000 yd WR’s 2 yrs ago, i think we need someone like him who is creative and loves to get mismatches going

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Sean Peyton

but man imagine the clash of gambler Peyton with ultra conservative Coughlin.

by bigblue777 on Mar 10, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Gilbride gets a little too cute with his ideas somethimes. but it was in jest.

Sean Payton’s never sent 4 different WR to the Pro Bowl from the same team over the course of a few years.

KG’s got Smith done…maybe Nicks, Barden and HAM will be the other 3 for the Giants now?

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's NOT run the reverse.

We suck at it. But let’s do get Barden on the field. And my only problem with Nicks is he doesn’t get the ball enough. Love that kid. (No more drops, though.)

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

We Need to...

Get Barden out of the witness protection program this year, my goodness, at least in the green zone (like green zone better than red zone, the money zone).

by Great Gatsby on Mar 11, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I am glad we stuck with what we had. Nicks looks like ha will be a star. I also believe Canty will have a better season, and with everyone healthy the D will be back to form

by bigblueguru on Mar 9, 2010 9:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Love Nicks

I remember some mock drafts had him falling down to 45 to us, because of him ganing weight, lack of speed, and all that crap. Thus, taking laurinaitis. Well we’ll never know what would have happened, but im damn happy with nicks.

by Nfpdawg on Mar 9, 2010 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

hakeem is the man

i went to a lot of his college games and actually wanted the birds to get him, but im happy with maclin

is at peace with the fact that i am a DICK.... i am good at it.... it is what i do.... it defines who i am.... will i be hated?? most definitely... do i care?? hell no...

"youve got enemies? good. that means you actully stood up for something" -Eminem

by Udalango on Mar 9, 2010 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

good comparison

I think Nicks will have a great career, I watched a lot of his college games and I was praying that the Giants would draft him. With that said I must admit I was on the Boldin bandwagon, but that just goes to show you why we are the fans and why Jerry Reese is a top notch GM. I hope we see some more of Ramses next year, he is raw but his potential is immense.

by True-Blue on Mar 10, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

Torry Holt...

look @ Torry’s rookie #s 52 catches 788 receiving yards 6 TDs 15.2 yds per catch…the similarities are scary…and I dont think anyone would mind Nicks having a career like Holt

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by SportsDalaiLama on Mar 10, 2010 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

I want to say yes

However we’ve only seen one season out of Nicks so far. I had my doubts about the other wide receivers and was happy with the Nicks signing, but I feel New York teams in general have a knack for getting ahead of themselves and watching something precious crumble way before we felt they should, (I.E Mets strong starts weak finishes, Every first month of the Rangers seasons, Plax, 5-0 Giants last season and there’s a post up about how the Giants are entering the golden age, then we miss the playoffs, a bunch more sadly)

by John Mjr on Mar 10, 2010 7:59 AM EST reply actions  

The Crazies

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

in between killing people they hopped on WiFi huh?

by wilddre22 on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

after feasting on flesh they needed their fix of BBV

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Eagles fans can vote apparently

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"The Dream"

Hakeem is definetly the dream as his nickname states, this guy put up those #’s while missing a few games after london fletcher wrenched his ankle, he also didnt start until Ham kept running out of bounds on routes……with all this going on he still matched percy harvins receiving stats (shouldve shared rookie of the year) but harvin is a return specialist as well. Hakeem is the future and Ham will step up, its going to be interesting to see nxt yr because he will be starting from game one.

I was never interested in mortgaging our future for any of those WR’s but I definetly wouldve given up a 3rd & 4th for boldin in a heart beat tho. that guy is special.

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

Ramses II

How bad can Ramses Barden be that he couldn’t get on the field even in the Red-Green zone? Steve Smith is a great possession receiver but not a game breaker. Nicks has that kind of speed but needs to get better separation early. His YAC is great. Moss is a bust, if he can’t be turned into a return man then time for an adios. Manningham has a great upside but Hixon too many wide open drops. All & all reason to be optimistic.

Nothing Is Fool proof if you have the right fools.

by GiantsCauseway on Mar 10, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

ramsas.. you as a head coach would have willingly took out ssmith(pro-bowler) or nicks in the redzone for barden?

ramsas.. you as a head coach would have willingly took out ssmith(pro-bowler) or nicks in the redzone for barden?ssmith has been a great reciever.. wouldnt call him a possession wr yet, i think of amani toomer latter years as possession wr. Smith is still getting better

ramsas.. you as a head coach would have willingly took out ssmith(pro-bowler) or nicks in the redzone for barden?ssmith has been a great reciever.. wouldnt call him a possession wr yet, i think of amani toomer latter years as possession wr. Smith is still getting bettermoss is a bust. i was a firm believer in him last offseason. with reports of him getting behind our D and making great plays.. i should have took notice to that as our defense was not as good as we thought vs moss being a great wr

ramsas.. you as a head coach would have willingly took out ssmith(pro-bowler) or nicks in the redzone for barden?ssmith has been a great reciever.. wouldnt call him a possession wr yet, i think of amani toomer latter years as possession wr. Smith is still getting bettermoss is a bust. i was a firm believer in him last offseason. with reports of him getting behind our D and making great plays.. i should have took notice to that as our defense was not as good as we thought vs moss being a great wrhixon will be here..as the 4th wr(unless barden breaks out this camp) and as a return specialist

by semsemma on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I thought you were going for a super intense rhetorical beatdown where you added points one by one to your argument for extra emphasis.

by SonictheHedgecock on Mar 10, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

it happens to me in this game too.. when you click enter to go to a new sentence without putting a period it does it sometimes.

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Mar 10, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

*site.. idk why i said game

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Mar 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Adios

he can’t be turned into a return man.

by wilddre22 on Mar 10, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Ramses Barden

I can’t wait for this season with the top 3 WR’s and Barden in place. I can see at least 2 WR’ers in the 1,300 yard range and two at about 900 plus. Eli the 5,000 yard QB.

by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 10, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Post

I thinks Nicks has #1 WR potential. He runs good routes, is great w/the ball in his hands. Maybe Butch Davis was right when he compared him to a young Michael Irvin?

by Giants56 on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Welcome Logan

Yeah, WRs worked out for Giants

But two guys we all screamed for – Sintim and Barden – did not get a chance to show anything…Beckum(sp) as well. Really looking forward to seeing what those guys do in their second season and then we will see if all the acolades for JR are deserved.

If they play well and the injured FAs come back ( Canty et al) then JR wil be back to near genius status. I sure hope so.

by MSP Giant on Mar 10, 2010 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Can't Lie

When I saw Britt sitting there I thought The Giants were going to draft him, but I’m glad we drafted Nicks instead. I think he is going to have a great career. I think he will have over a thousand yards receiving next season.

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

Yea

I think no matter which WR you drafted in the first round we wouldve been good, i like nicks the most since college tho but harvin, britt, crabtree, maclin, nicks…………….this could go down as one of the best WR draft class ever excluding Heyward-bey…… they were better getting louis murphy in the 1st round and HB in the 5th but besides that debacle it was an excellent class. no real losers in the 1st round

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW

your right, crazy WR draft and dont forget Pierre Garcon

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasnt a rook

he was drafted the year before

by matth313 on Mar 10, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oh ok

learn somethin new every day

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Heywood- Bey

 Heywood – Bey might come around. Louis Murphy who I wanted the Giants to draft did ok but not as good as I thought he would. Look who the QB’s are on the Oakland team and also that team needs an O-Line bad.

by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 10, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

its tough to evaluate a Raiders WR

The ball is so infrequently thrown well other teams don’t defense their WRs as intensely.

But I thought that Murphy looked good against the Giants.

by giantblue63 on Mar 11, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

That was definitely a great WR draft class

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Nicks so far

I was never sold on any of the receivers that were being bandied about last year. If they were all so good their teams would have done everything to keep them. Marshall is a head case. Boldin is a crybaby. Not only did Houshmandzadeh have a so so year, he didn’t exactly endear himself to the fans in Seattle (I live in WA). And lest we forget Braylon Edwards still had problems catching the ball with the Jets.

by John W on Mar 10, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Boldin is a what??????

you take that back right now buddy!!!!

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Afte walking away from that hit he took against the Jets and coming back so quickly he can never be accused of that…

by Jonah19 on Mar 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Boldin

Boldin is a very good player who is slotted behind a great player. If Boldin was on the Giants he would have had over a 1,000 yards for the season maybe as high as 1,300. Really guys give the guy credit if he could do it for the Cards he could have done it for the Giants. Both teams had the players on the O- side last year. With the Cards he just wanted to be paid what he was worth and the Cards wanted to keep him on the cheap.

by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 10, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good pickup..

For the Ravens, add toughness too..

by Great Gatsby on Mar 11, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Marshall?!

To say he was a headcase is to be extraordinarily generous. That his team’s “leadership council” voted to bench him for a PLAYOFF game speaks volumes! He’s the most talented trainwreck in the nfl. No thanks.

by nard100 on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

I am going to say this til I am Blue in the face...

Any snaps that Hagan, Hixon etc al get over Nicks this year are a WASTE.

Although I get that rookies are “eased” in, I still contend that Nicks was underutilized last year. He should have had many more snaps than he got but I suppose his day is coming.

The guy is going to be a ProBowler and Reese made the right choice. Just thinking back to the Heyward-Bey chatter just about makes me crap in my pants.

by dubsrub on Mar 10, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

I wouln't say its a waste......

maybe with Hixon yes. I’ve never been a big Hixon fan. But Hagan is our new Tyree. He is highly valuable on special teams, and can fill in quite nicely if we’re in a pinch. Guys with that skill set are always valuable to have around, like we all know Tyree was. But you do have to get these guys some snaps once in a while to keep them sharp.

by Big Blue Phatty on Mar 10, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Nicks got almost all the snaps in 3 WR sets except in the games where he was hurt

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 10, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The question next year is

What is the split for Barden, Manningham.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hixon return to life as a special teamer, he was very very good at that. Can’t see Hixon, Tyree, Hagan taking many snaps from the top 3 guys. I’ll be shocked if Barden doesn’t sniff more action.

by giantblue63 on Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Tyree plays in baltimore

Hagan is still better than hixon and barden, but Barden will grow. just give him time, might take until his 3rd yr or so

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 11, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

smith is awesome. i love the idea of him in the slot as long as it doesnt loose him any snaps..

nicks is great too. enough said there..

i like barden a lot, and i think him and nicks can be 2 very dangerous outside recievers with smith in the slot.

im not that high on manningham personally.. i like him, i just think nicks and barden are better.

and whats with hixon? i liked him but its upsetting that he drops SOO many passes.. i thought he would be good.

and hagan is a good role guy. that could come in once in a while and make a play.

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Mar 10, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Just wondering

Why you think Barden is better than Manningham? Are you basing it on their college careers? Because Barden has only playe in 1 or 2 NFL games, while Barden has a full season of experience in which he put up some good numbers. I dont think one is better than the other at this point but they both have tremendous talent and upside.

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

***Manningham has a full season of experience.....oops

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

But...

He still could use a compass, go west young man, go west…

by Great Gatsby on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

they should devise him a helmet thats connected to a Giants version of “air traffic control”

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Barden didn't even dress for alot of games.

He really hasn’t been on the field at all. So its kinda hard for anyone to say if they really like or dislike this guy. Manningham on the other hand, is proven to be a scoring threat already. I agree that I think the greater potential lies in Barden, but Manningham is the perfect 3rd reciever that we need right now. Shifty-fast-playmaking. I see the balls he drops. But dont worry. Coughlin was good enough to make Tiki not fumble. I’m sure he can get Manningham to catch the ball.

by Big Blue Phatty on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Mannigham mostly just needs to polish his route running. It’s something that comes with time. In college the routes a far more basic. Hopefully a year in the league and a solid off season will lead to some more polished routes.

by bigblue777 on Mar 10, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If Manningham improves 10% from 2009, he could push Smith for a starting role

65 catches around 1000 yards is about what Calvin Johnson did last year.

Never in my life have the Giants had remotely near this level of pass catching talent

by giantblue63 on Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You have..

To run routes between the numbers and the sidelines, that’s what got him in trouble last year, he ran far too close to the sidelines…When that happens, very small window for the QB to put the ball in there, sure that will improve this year. I’ll be honest, a year ago at this time I was on the get a veteran #1 wideout, glad I was proved wrong!

by Great Gatsby on Mar 11, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Manning wasn’t used to Hams speed out of his breaks and it took a while for them to get on the same page. Manning was throwing the ball behind Ham a ton in the first half of the season. But this doesn’t excuse the drops and poor route running. Hopefully #10 can get the same chemistry going with Ham and Nicks that he has with Smith.

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I noticed that as early as the preseason. Manningham would be open and the ball would still be on the way. By the time it got there, the DB would be on Manningham or able to knock the ball away.

by GhostDini on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely should be intriguing to see the work they put in this offseason.

All 4 of these guys (well…maybe not Steve Smith…Eli knows at what time Smith wakes up to take a crap they’re on the same page so much)

But definitely HAM and Eggs, NEED to work a ton with these guys. And Barden too. Beckum.

Big Bro is always on the same page with his WR, even the rooks it seems. Maybe Jim Sorgi will let Eli know what his brother does?

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 11, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, Beckum!

Is the forgotten guy! what will his role be come next year…

by wilddre22 on Mar 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah what gives?

I remember the coaches saying how Defenses were putting a CB or S on Beckum, and I don’t think he was getting much seperation in his limited opportunities. I don’t really know that for a fact but that could’ve factored in to him not getting that many looks last season. Who knows?!?!

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

as with the entire team..I read he was banged up so they didn’t wanna trot him out there.

2009 just went to shit (pardon my Swahili )……

While one could say it can’t go anywhere but up…the Panthers and Vikings game say there’s no bottom to this pile.

I think the non-tender of Darcey Johnson could mean they’re more ready to use Becks as the true #2 TE, so we’ll see.

Becks and Barden hopefully suit up more, cuz lord knows 6"6 230 and 6"3 245lbs dudes can help in the RZ.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 11, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He's good in Madden!

I use him alot at wideout….not that that means anything.

by wilddre22 on Mar 11, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 LOL

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

it will

look at his growth from yr 1 to 2, excellent! i expect it to continue

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 10, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Barden

I don’t understand all the chatter and glowing reviews for a guy who never played or even DRESSED at times……

Where does this come from, is he on Madden NFL?

If he was any sort of a threat or value to the team, don’t you think the coaching staff would have even had him DRESS over someone like Sinorice Moss?

Sorry guys, the coaches see him every day and know more than we do. What happened with him last year does NOT reflect positively on his abilities.

by dubsrub on Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think I understand the feeling here ...

Every time Barden was in (mostly in pre-season, but some in the regular schedule), he seemed impressive. Given that height and wing-span, we naturally are looking at him as having some of the Plaxico intangibles we were in withdrawal from.

But you’re right about what his lack of playing time means. Staff just doesn’t think he’s ready yet. I sort of felt the same way about Sintim’s limited action last year, too. Hopefully, Barden can develop a bit faster this off-season and camp, as we all feel the potential is there.

by Shofner85 on Mar 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I thought Corey Feldman died today ...

and not Barden. What’s with the “retrospective” on a guy who’s basically a red-shirt rookie in 2010 ?

by Shofner85 on Mar 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh. The coaches knew he was going to be a project.

With the embarrassment of riches at WR, why would you not take time with him. Being that tall makes it more difficult not to round out your routes. We’ll see more of him this year.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Mar 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Barden

With Barden we will see him a lot more this year.

by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 10, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

judging by what the staff says…that’s wrong.

Constantly they compare his situation to the Manningham one. 52 catches and 822yds later, that worked out OK.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Moss was constantly hurt too.

Barden wasn’t.

Coming from Cal Poly..he’s not as polished as Nicks (or Manningham for that matter…).

As the 4-5th WR, he had to contribute on special teams, something the staff didn’t see that he could.

You don’t suit up a player like Barden if he’s only going to contribute 3-4 plays a game if he’s not going to be on ST…like Hixon or Hagen were.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Feagles punts out of bounds ...

and Tynes might as well, too. Rather have the fade route in the red zone than watch Moss/Hagen pulling a hammy as a gunner.

by Shofner85 on Mar 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden

by I_Formation27 on Mar 11, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicks is going to be a STAR

Barden will contribute this year

I CAN’T WAIT FOR 4 WR SET

Nicks-Mannigham-Smith-Barden

by giantblue63 on Mar 10, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

True that ...

and you’re right, we’ve never had this much talent at WR !

by Shofner85 on Mar 10, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont forget my man kevin Boss

This guy might have better hands in traffic than all of them

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

except nicks

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 11, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Great hands...

Much better hands than Shockey, they could use him more too.

by Great Gatsby on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicks has all the talent in the world.

Great playmaking ability. No offense to Amani or SS for that matter but I can envision him being the most prolific Giants WR of all time when all is said and done.

Barden needs to play one way or another. If he’s not a gunner teach him to block in the backfield on punts or something. If one of his few plays a game on offense result in a TD it’s well worth the trade on specials. How about teaching Koets or whoever ends up being the backup center to long snap. Deossie active and Barden inactive is a travesty.

by Wilba on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

Barden is going

Barden is going to be ok for those who say he has to have a strong camp remember even Eli said out of all his receivers last year Barden was the most impressive in camp. However there’s no way Nick wasn’t getting on the field considering his talent and where we picked him. Ham was MosDef getting a shot too because he was hurt the year before and they felt as though he was a steal when we drafted him as a rookie on top of his talent. Steve Smith turned into Steve Smith to the 3rd power last year. There was essentially no way Barden could get on the field the way they were playing and Vets Hixon and Hagan in front of him. I believe the ST play they said he didn’t display was an excuse I personally do not want my 6’6 WO 3rd rnd pick playing special teams at all that’s not why we traded up and gave picks to the the Eagles for him to prove himself on ST. Coughling should have just been upfront and said we had other receivers who really step up this year and made it hard for a rookie with alot of upside to get on the field. I do not want to see that happen this year. Give him a shot!

by AO7 on Mar 11, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

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