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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 9, 2010 1:43 PM EST
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Mock draft, NYG style
...of course, not a fools mock. These players "should" be there at their positions. And 7 rounds! YIPPPEE!!!
Round 1) Derrick Morgan DE, Georgia Tech 6"3 266lbs junior (20 years old ya'll...he's not done getting better)
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Yes, the Giants don't "need" a DE. But the Giants NEED an impact player. DE isn't a need so to say...but I don't like any of the DT's in round 1. I like the DT's in rounds 2 and 3...so hold your horses.....
Morgan may not be there at #15 of course. But the top 14 teams aren't in the top 14 because (I didn't use "cuz" Ed!!) they know what they are doing..now are they??
Its all about getting to the QB. Its also all about building for the future. Derrick Morgan gives you that.
Round 2) Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State 6"1 245 Senior
Well..yes, is it a reach around? Probably. Buuuut, who cares, the Giants could use a versatile MLB who's big enough for all 3 spots. He's instantly the most athletic LB on the team...yea, more athletic then Boley. This kid used to be my favorite 5th round sleeper for our MLB "woes", but his combine woke everyone up.
He's big, fast, strong, smart...and here's the kicker, he actually played 4-3 MLB!!!!! Excuse me as I do a hand stand!
Round 3) Linval Joseph DT East Carolina 6"5 330lbs Senior
Whoa...2 defensive lineman? Well..duh. Best case scenario...Osi, Kiwi, Tuck, Tolly Alford, Canty, Cofield and Bernard are all 100% for 2010.
Raise your hand if you believe that will happen...and I'll get someone to poke your arm-pit if you do anyway. Kinda like those pesky little RB's, I'm not counting on them being healthy..and I hope big JR is not either.
Big Linval is not related to Willy Joe, so stop it. He's gigantic, very athletic (5.12 40 time..OMG) and 39 reps on that bench thing thing....whoa.
Here's our big run stopper who can come in and compete in 2010, either as insurance or as the #4 fat in case Big Useless Bernard is cut/hurt.
Linval is a former 6th round sleeper of mine..and similar to Jamar Chaney...has been awoken by the combine. Bastards.
Round 4) Matt Tennant OC/OG Boston College 6"4 300lbs Senior.
via multimedia.heraldinteractive.com
Whoa. Center? Yup. Versatile enough and athletic enough to be an OG. If this guy is there in round 4, we should all throw a ticker tape parade.
If Reese doesn't see Dave Diehl as our LG..and why would he, Diehl has been bad enough to warrant a switch from the blind side...but Big Mack at RT has been good for all these years..so we really had no choice.
Beatty to LT, Tennant to compete with Seubert at LG...McKenzie either cut or depth for RT with Diehl starting. There.
Round 5) Myron Lewis CB/S 6"2 203 Vanderbilt.
via media.scout.com
The other Myron.
Here's our safety! Big, fast, smart (Vanderbilt >>>Florida State..academically at least ;) ) The Giants still gotta get a safety at some point. Given the depth..Myron Lewis could be a hell of a value in round 5.
Round 6) Zoltan Mesko Punter/kicker 6"5 240lbs Senior Michigan
via www.annarbor.com
Yes..the Giants don't draft punters...unless they are Brad Maynard or John Markham..both of which either experienced a ton of success elsewhere or never at all
The Zoltan could help them just get rid of Feagles and Tynes, and the Zoltan could do it all, saving a roster spot. All hail the Zoltan.
7) Phillip Dillard MLB Nebraska 6"0 242 Senior
Yes..2 LB's. I think they gotta cut ties with guys like Wilkinson..possibly Kehl too.
Dillard is a lot like Jon Goff, a tough hitting machine. As a STer, he could be what the doctor ordered. MLB's fall on draft day...but that doesn't mean they're not good. Dillard could be the dude that's our MLB..or he could just be ST fodder. Either way, he's a solid tough player who's good for competition.
So..whaddya think? Did I not draft a position in the proper round?
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Good draft
I like the suprise first round pick, you can’t sneak a DE passed us… I would be very happy with this after draft day, I still think you whiffed with no RB but hey no one is perfect!!
All's Well that Fewell
I was thinking about it in round 7...but decided with the LB competition.
UDFA Keith Toston RB OK State. Could be an option,
ran a 4.7, but plays faster.
Master of the squeegee
It's disappointing
I liked all of your sleeper picks at certain positions and seeing what you thought of them, I was all excited thinking you would to the same with RB, Now you make me have to go search intergoogle for Keith wtf step your game up! lol Still great post.
All's Well that Fewell
i thought you were pretty high on your boy from clemson?
by LT's Will Power on Mar 9, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
I am.
But I did a whole 32 team mock…and he’s gone to Seattle (bastards…)
Master of the squeegee
are you saying ...
You did 32 teams for 7 rounds? because (a) holy shit and (b) where can I see this
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 10, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Draft days
Thurs, Fri, and Sat
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
really cant argue with anything
id be real happy if it turned out like this.. Free give JR a call
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
Why no Spiller at #1?
Who do you think is gonna take him?
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
San Fran
or possibly Seattle. Both have 2 first rounders and both could really use an impact player.
The Jaguars could too.
Master of the squeegee
I got Spiller at #14 to Seattle
McClain at #11 to Denver
Dan Williams at #12 to Miami
I’d probably take Spiller or McClain over Morgan.
Williams I don’t have as equal to Morgan.
Whole philosophy was BPA in round one, but fill needs in rounds 2-6 then BPA in round 7
Master of the squeegee
So what about Earl Thomas?
With the Antrel Rolle signing, does that mean we no longer have our sights set on him?
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 9, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see it as necessary
no.
I got Chad Jones and Nate Allen gone in round 2.
I like Linval Joseph in round 3. Tennant in round 4.
Myron Lewis is a fine prospect. He’s a CB and big/tough enough to be a safety.
Master of the squeegee
I really liked the draft. Well done. I think that Morgan would be a great pick. It gives us the versatility on the DL and LBs that we had in ‘08 because you have Osi, Kiwi, Tuck and Morgan at DE. But then Tuck could slide to DT in some situations (reminiscent from when we had Strahan and Osi on the outside). Or Kiwi could go to SAM occasionally. This I think would make for a great pick if he’s on the board. I almost like this better than McClain, but he’s far too good to pass on.
(Just imagine some plays: DL: Osi, Canty/Coefield, Tuck, Morgan
LB: Kiwi, Chaney/Goff, Boley
Talk about playmakers on the field.)
you don't use 4-3 in pressure
If you are talking about sliding Tuck inside and keeping Canty on the field you are talking about a pressure package. In a pressure package AKA obvious passing down you will be in nickle most likely without a SAM, so you would be taking Kiwi off the field. This is why Morgan makes no sense. You are having to try to scheme and play games just to get your players on the field. We need a 3 down LB much more. Boley can play all 3 downs at WILL. Sintim can move out of SAM to DE while Tuck slides inside on pressure packages. We don’t have a 3 down MLB for our nickle though. I only see Goff as a 2 down player. Weatherspoon could be that 3 down MLB.
I still think that there are more free agency moves....
that are gonna shake up everyones mock draft in the next 2-3 weeks, some of these restricted free agents might start leaving and that will change the course!
I do agree with the mock draft based on whats going on right now. I do like a play maker, I dont kno if anyone agrees but I like Dexter McCluster!! I think he has intangibles that the giants need
Since...
Since I am in New England, amazing how many OLineman that BC churns out.
I would take the Zoltan in Round 7, but not bad at all Free.
Get off the DL kick
We already have so many defensive lineman they are trying to play them at other positions. Only so many lineman can be on the field at one time. Unless you think that there are current players that are going to be unloaded you are burning way too much draft value in the line. I might let you keep Joseph in the 3rd, but forget about Morgan in the 1st. I’d rather get Weatherspoon to bolster the LB core. I agree we need to think about an interior lineman, specifically a center. We have nobody that can actually snap the ball if O’Hara gets hurt. Dunno about Myron. I think depth at CB before depth at safety.
Build through the trenches. I guess your one that thinks all these guys are healthy..and that’s fine.
I don’t.
Weatherspoon’s fine in the first…but Morgan’s BPA, I’d rather not reach for Spoon. Especially with Chaney in the 2nd.
Myron Lewis is a CB. He’s big enough for safety too.
I dunno why you’d think we need depth at CB over safety….We have 3 solid CB’s..one with a questionable injury history (Ross).
We have Rolle, and KP is very questionable. That’s less depth then CB.
Master of the squeegee
And..
A big mistake TC, and staff made was, starting the season with only 3 safeties
on the roster (not counting Practice Squad)…Big no no, they only got Rouse, because they were fortunate that Green Bay cut him at the right time.
Personally I grade Spoon out as a far better prospect than Chaney. I think Chaney in the 2nd is more of a reach than Weatherspoon at #15 in my book. There is no chance Weatherspoon makes it past the Eagles at #24. Nobody would balk there, so you are going to tell me 9 picks difference is a giant reach? I don’t buy true pure BPA. Every GM says it, no GM does it.
My concern at CB over safety is you generally need more rotation at that spot. Especially with the amount of nickle and dime you are forced to play in the modern NFL.
They might..
Already have a safety on the practice squad, that kid Shareef or whatever?
Safety is still definitely a bigger concern than CB easily. Thomas, Webster, and Ross are all good enough for the starting jobs. Let’s also not forget that Bruce Johnson would then be our dime CB. That’s not all that terrible considering he was thrust into a starting role for part of the season.
At safety, you cannot assume Phillips will even be back let alone be 100%. They might not bring him back until during the season. Then what would happen? CC or Johnson would be starting again. We don’t really need that for another season.
I think both Chaney and Weatherspoon are reaches there, but I don’t know if I like Weatherspoon over Morgan. It’s beyond just BPA. Morgan offers more opportunities than Weatherspoon. Do you think that Weatherspoon could immediately step into the MLB role and run the Giants defense?
I think we definetly need CB over S
We have rolle, kp, johnson, brown, rashaad, thats enough depth for me. Even CB we should be fine with webby, AR, TT, B.J. , we dont need to draft for either position but if we had too i would grab a CB with the ability to slide to safety if needs be but we have ross and im one who thinks they will be healthy, i dnt see a history of injuries with any of these guys. Im in favor of a veteran CB just to bolster things but late round CB’s scare me, we just tried to do that last year and we see what happened
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
really?
Well that’s why I got Myron Lewis in there. I could also go with Chris Cook, but I think he’s going early.
He’s a CB/S tweener.
Brown and Rashaad are not depth, unless they’re painting the hash marks..then we could use em.
Vince Anderson too. These guys are UDFA’s…I dunno how they could be called “depth”.
We got killed at safety last year, and adding Rolle and 1/2 of Kenny Phillips…now we’re set at Safety?
Master of the squeegee
Actually
Shareef Rashaad to my understanding grasped the playbook and recalled things quicker than rouse and brown did coming in. they just decided to leave him on practice squad and go with vets but they see something they like. Vince anderson i dont like and as for cc brown he is the best out of the safeties on the LOS and blitzing thats why he is still available, KP is not a good blitzer yet, CC is the best at sheding a block from the S positon and i know no one will believe me but thats why he is still around he presents a unique aggresiveness in the box for his size.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Plus…they got a decision to make on Osi/Kiwi soon. Be nice to have a DE that is capable to replace them.
DT? Cofield is good. Canty didn’t show anything last year. Alford’s coming off IR, and while he’s got upside, was nothing special. Rocky Bernard was injured, but I don’t trust him either.
Master of the squeegee
Like I said you can have DT in the 3rd. I’m ok with bringing in a dlineman in the third or later, particularly a DT. At that point in the draft I’m ok getting a rotational reserve player. I like the idea of bringing in a DT to compete. Maybe he pushes out Bernard, maybe Alford isn’t 100% yet. I expect much more out of Canty this year at the 3 tech.
OK.
and I’m OK with Spoon in the first. But its more of the question on is he really a MLB? He could, and Jon Beason made a similar transition…so its possible.
I just see Morgan as too good to pass up. Guys with 12.5 sacks and 18.5 TFL in one year are no joke. Especially if they do said work as a junior and as really the only DL of note on their team.
Round 2 is where I’d rather go with need and reaching for that need. Chaney is my 2nd ranked “true MLB” behind Rolando McClain…so I don’t actually see it as too much as a reach.
Master of the squeegee
Not sure about rookie at LG
I know you said have Tennant competing with Seubert, but I don’t like the prospects of a second year LT and a rook LG protecting Eli’s blind side. I would prefer to see a rook at RT and Diehl at LG over that scenario. But hey, what do I know.
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
I agree with you. I’d definitely rather have a RT over a rook LG.
Problem is, I just don’t think Diehl’s going back to LG.
I hope he’s not our LT either….but Diehl’s still a solid player, so that’s probably RT.
I’d say if they start Beatty at LT and Diehl at RT…we’d be more likely looking at Seubert starting.
I wasn’t advocating Tennant to start right away. But make no joke of Tennant, he’s every bit as good as Snee was at BC.
In any round, I would not be surprised to see Tennant on the Giants come April. Coughlin likes BC players.
Master of the squeegee
I don’t know that Diehl can’t go back to LG. He played very well there before he slid out to LT out of need. I think Beatty is the LT of the future for us. I could see Diehl sliding back to LG or over to RT. Either Suebert or McKenzie becomes a backup. If we draft a center/guard he gets a year as a reserve to get up to speed.
I see..
Diehl at LG, and Beatty at LT, we’ll see at RT? I don’t think Seubert will be starting IMHO.
what about Iupati
he can slide in and start at left guard………..beatty, iupati, ohara, snee, diehl but im on the spoon train…. dnt want a DE whatsoever until like the 4th round tho.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Iupati looked like a POS in the Senior Bowl
All I saw was a lazy kid that didn’t care that he was getting smoked by the South’s DT’s. If the Senior Bowl was a job interview, he failed. Poor footwork and no punch with the hands. All he did was extend his arms and hope he didn’t get caught holding.
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I could definitely
live with that. We really need a someone that can play C behind O’Hara. The guy is tough, but if he goes down we got nobody behind him.
I think we have to look RB somewhere
in the 2nd to 4th rounds. Bradshaw/Jacobs/Brown all coming back from injury.
I don’t think UDFA is gonna cut it.
I like the ideas you have but I would rather see the RB spot taken care of.
Yeah if you replace Zoltan with a solid RB
That sounds like a damn good draft. It’s heavy on Defense, but besides O-Line and RB, we clearly don’t have needs at any other offensive position, so I can see why you took that approach. Zoltan is good but I’d rather not waste a pick on hime and try to find an UDFA kicker/punter.
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by I_Formation27 on Mar 9, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you should replace Zoltan....
I think there are a lot of backs who can be semi-effective behind the Giants line, and while I’d love to see a running back added, it’s a short shelf life position, one prone to injury (see ALL Giants running backs) and for the amount someone drafted in the sixth is likely to see the field, I think their impact will be less than lopping 10-15 yards off of starting position for opponents after Tynes short kickoffs or Feagles increasingly feeble punts. Heck taking Mesko, you can use the extra roster space he can create with taking an undrafted running back. Personally I still would like to do some of the backline filling via free agents. Again, I don’t mind adding a running back, but that far back in the draft, I see Mesko having a more immediate positive impact.
I think you take care of LB in the first with Weatherspoon freeing your 2nd round pick for a RB. I’m a big Toby Gerhart fan because he could replace what Jacobs used to be. What are people’s thoughts on him.
Yes, Toby is the man.
I think his combine has vaulted him into the 2nd round (he was 3-4 before the combine with questions about his speed).
I would not take him in the 2nd tho. 3rd round at the highest
Master of the squeegee
He reminds...
Me of the kid from LSU now playing for Denver, forget his name, think he is playing FB for them, not as a starter.
Jacob Hester
was a fullback in college. He was pretty impressive catching the ball, didn’t run as much. Gerhart is a true RB. Other than both being white guys that stood behind a QB the two are pretty different. Hester doesn’t start at FB because he can’t block well enough. He is basically brought in as a recieving option out of the backfield. Gerhart is a true RB and a nasty hard hitting one at that.
Sorry
To disagree, but Hester was the leading ground gainer at LSU his senior year,
as a tailback, on occasion like in goal line situations he would line up at FB, predominantly a tailback at LSU
The reminder of Ron Dayne says I wouldn’t feel all that great about it, either does Joe Montgomery.
Master of the squeegee
you got me
with Ron Dayne, but I don’t think Gerhart is Dayne. Funny thing is Dayne actually played somewhat decent in Denver. We pidgeon holed him as a short yardage back because he was big, and that just wasn’t who he was.
Don't get me wrong on Toby..
I think he’s a better athlete then Dayne.
Dayne was a flabby fat boy. Gerhart is called “Robocop” for a reason.
I’d like to get a whole lot of the players in this draft…but there’s only so many picks the Giants have in the first 3-4 rounds
Master of the squeegee
Well...
We did draft a RB who was a Heisman Trophy winner, how did that work for us? Being a Heisman winner or invited to NY for the presentation, doesn’t always translate into a good NFL player.
Morgan 1st round
the only way i see that is if we slide sintim inside(probably not gonna happen) and slide kiwi back to sam other than that i would take spoon in the first round hands dwn…….like i keep saying he can be the nxt london fletcher, he is going to get bigger and stronger and the intangibles are there as well. I like morgan but we have to do some shuffling to justify him at such a high pick for our team. hes worth it but not for us in my opinion.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Except...
London Fletcher was an UDFA that was undersized and played MLB at a DIII school.
Your saying draft Spoon at #15 to play MLB? Next year?
Why not draft the best DE in the draft and have him in a four man rotation with Tuck, Osi, and Kiwi. Maybe rotate him in and move Tuck down to DT on passing downs. All the while, grooming him to take the place of either Osi or Kiwi when their contracts are up in 2011.
If it is between Morgan and Weatherspoon at 15, I take Morgan without a doubt.
Otherwise, if you think the Eagles will take him at 24 try to trade 15 for 16-23 plus a 2nd or 3rd and take Spoon then. The Pats have 3 2nd rd pics (although I can’t ever remember the Pats trading up).
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 9, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
thats simple
Spoon can play all positions look at his carreer he can cover and rush the passer as well as shed blocks, MLB is more of an intelligence and key reading, he can handle it no issues. as for the DE thing, youn said 4 man rotation, your forgetting that canty will be in on 3rd dwn alot too, hence the big contract also sintim puts his hand on the ground in our pressure package…….my point is we have enough of that type of player. 1st round especially pick #15 is not to be wasted on a position that you are already more blessed at than most teams. I would be willing to bet morgan is not the pick at 15 for the Gmen, you think osi is complaining now!!!!! and i dnt forsee them getting rid of Kiwi he has done everything asked of him without crying about it.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
When in Rome…
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
And thats fine
because you pov is not unwarranted, the Gmen love DE’s so it can happen just not what i would like to see
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Don't like Morgan
there is already a huge backlog at DE, we don’t need to waste another pick on it. Morgan will not be starting in the next 3 years regardless of what happens between Osi and Kiwi.
Its pretty good other than that but I’d prefer we go RB in round 5 and have Aaron Ross, Vince Anderson and Sha’reff Rashad compete for the last S position
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Anderson and Rashad? Really?
Well..by that, We got Gerris Wilkinson, who was a MLB in college..so there’s our MLB competition, no need to draft one of them.
As for DE…I ain’t gonna get into it..other then “starting” is not the point.
They drafted Kiwi in the 1st after having Strah, Osi and Tuck on the roster…so if a DE is the BPA on their board, I doubt that they’d just figure he ain’t gonna start so lets just pass on it.
If he’s BPA, I don’t think its a waste and its a good possibility of being the pick.
Master of the squeegee
Really, it depends..
On how they feel about the DT position coming back from injury, if they feel before the draft, that they are going to be healthy, no problem getting more depth at DE there. Just not sure they can know until training camp starts?
With Kiwi the situation was MUCH different
Strahan was old and was going to retire soon whileTuck hadn’t shown anything other than being hurt. Right now we have 3 DE’s entering their PRIMES.
And Anderson and Sha’reff are going to be depth at first and unlike Wilkinson they don’t have a history of being injured.
And Morgan probably won’t be there with Seattle and Jacksonville both picking ahead of us anyway
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I concur
Kiwi is the futurre at RE whether people see it or not, Osi i dnt think will make it thru the year, he has stated he is not willing to compete for a spot thats his, the Gmen are standing pat right now but as soon as his antics cause decention he will be relieved of his duties like shockey, KIWI has been quite but i know osi is rubbing him and the rest of the Dline the wrong way…………. also wauffle is not there so their is no one in his corner like before at all times.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
You don’t see them going with a elite 3-man rotation? With Tuck in at DT on passing downs?
If they get rid of Kiwi or Osi when the time comes….its just gonna be Kiwi and Osi?
Master of the squeegee
Sintim is still a pass rusher at heart
he would love to be given to opportunity to move to DE in nickel packages
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
thats where he will be
thats where he was last year sintim(RE) tuck & canty (DT) and kiwi returns to his outside rush (LE) Osi goes to the Rams with his attitude lol
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
No
the Sam is in the game in the base 4-3 package only which is not a pass rushing package and not when Tuck moves to DT.
Sintim will continue to play SLB on first and second down then move to DE on 3rd down.
And we need a MLB regardless
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
How’s about we leave Sintim standing up and bltizing as the SAM like a 3-4 OLB, where he’s most comfortable.
Kiwi-Tuck-Morgan-Osi
Boley Sintim
Rolle Ross
C-Web KP TT
Master of the squeegee
What if we want to rush only 4?
And Sintim has already taken some snaps at DE last year anyway.
Also that way we can draft a player that can actually help the team at a position of need like MLB / DT / OT or even RB
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why its about BPA.
Who’s available. Who’s best.
I’d exclude TE/WR and QB. And unless they’re sold on Iupati or Maurkice Pouncey…OG and OC are out too.
Draft the best player. Figure out how to get him on the field later.
Master of the squeegee
Thats how you get teams like the Cards
who are very good in some areas on the team and pitiful in others.
Draft the player that is the best fit for your team and what you need to do.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants aren’t the Cards. The Cards even with every player healthy aren’t a well balanced team.
The Giamts have a great defense that was banged up last year and managed by a fool.
Getting the BPA works for the future. Drafting for “need” and reaching for players ends up with the Rams or Raiders.
Master of the squeegee
Yes they are not a well balanced team
because they keep drafting WR’s just because they are “bpa” even though they cant play all of them
Same with the Giants and the DLine – with morgan we would have 4 DE’s that could start on another team while our linebackers are absolutely awful and the DT’s are below par.
And besides at 15 we can get a quality player in a position where he can play without reaching at all.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Then Osi could be traded....
And other areas addressed. I’m not pushing for that trade, but Osi has been hurt, and then ineffective and he MAY or MAY NOT come back this year as the player he once was. If he does, and he’s here, great. If he doesn’t, he’s done and he has no trade value next year. And he’s NOT a good run defender. Personally, I think Morgan will be a better rounded DE over time, but with any draft choice he could fail too. The wildcard is Osi may talk himself off the team anyways and suddenly we don’t have an excess at DE.
HMM, good point
what made us so effective in 07 was the rotation of tuck inside, Kiwi got off to a good start in 08 but when he stopped getting to the qb we lost some of that magic, i could see going DE as a possibility also
Yeah bradshaw
if we dont go safety with the first pick i’m all for Derrick Morgan, i didnt know he was only 20 years old !!!!!!! The guy is ready to be a solid player now nevermind 3 years from now……..He’s always causing havoc in the backfield and he’s Excellent at taking on the double team and solid against the run. Always around the ball, Derrick Morgan has my vote at 15….If mays isnt there
sintim, canty, tuck, kiwi, bernard
and maybe another DE in a later round.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Very nice job
Free. You are slowly destroying my ignorance of the available talent……Does Morgan have a good work ethic?
Yes.
its not a question. Good motor, full range of moves. Not a one dimensional pass rusher, excellent against the run too.
He’s got 34 1/2 inch arms too, which is excellent for leverage. Most of the fools creamed their pants with Jason Pierre-Paul at the combine, and his 34 3/4" arms…saying he’s a physical speciman..yadda yadda.
Morgan’s a specimen too.
He’s more in the vein of Tuck/Strahan, then he is Osi.
We’d be real lucky if he’s there. He’s a top 5 talent.
Master of the squeegee
Well sir,
you’ve sold me. Let’s take him off the buffet and put ‘im on our plate. With the signing of Rolle, I’m 50-50 on choosing a DT or MLB first. BPA at one or the other makes sense. This may have been asked earlier, but would you take McClain over Morgan?
Free
Top stuff and whilst you can nitpick here and there it is a solid draft based on players who should be available when we pick.
Will you run different scenarios – say we trade down in the first to 20th and pick up an extra second or third – who would be our first pick be then and who would you take with the extra pick?
by G Fan in England on Mar 9, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions
was thinking of doing that, but I’d rather keep it “realistic”.
If they trade down to 20, I like Sean Weatherspoon, Brian Price still or maybe Mike Iupati (yes..Dan Williams is gone)
In the extra 2nd or third, depending on that first pick, I take Toby Gerhart if he’s there at one of the picks…Robocop has a nose for the end zone. You just can’t teach the instinct of not letting up till your in for 6.
Most likely, I’d go Iupati (tho like Diehl…he may not fit JR’s “short OG mold”). But I think he’s the next Steve Hutchinson, so I’d hope JR doesn’t care.
1) Iupati
2) Gerhart
3) Chaney
3b) Joseph
4)Major Wright Chris Cook
5) Jacoby Ford —-maybe we can get lucky for once and a speed demon like Ford is there?
6) Zoltan
7) Dillard
Master of the squeegee
Thanks Free
I see the Broncos have signed a NT and a DE/OLB type so maybe they will go McClain if he is still there.
by G Fan in England on Mar 9, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
not sure.
He’s said he wants to be a WLB…but, who cares what he says..he doesn’t really have a choice if a team sees him as a MLB.
I’d rather not tho.
Chaney’s actually faster even though he’s 20lbs heavier and has played 4-3 MLB (in the SEC no less…)
Master of the squeegee
Good draft
Though, I’m thinking about brandom graham over derrick morgan. Both are very comparable besides the fact that graham would struggle as a 3-4 OLB in terms of coverage. Graham makes a lot more flashy plays too
Oh
I also agree with mckenzie being a back-up. He was bad in pass protection this year compared to our entire line. i think its better off releasing him, trading him, or using him for depth
Yup! & huh?
Nice job ‘Free’! It was great to see a full 7 round draft for the Giants and look at all the discussion generated. I agreed with most of it, as far as my knowledge of the players extended, although I’m still not confident a First a couple of questions. If we are only a couple (or 3-4) spots away from drafting McClain might it be worth it to trade UP? I know it goes against a lot of people’s philosophy but giving up a third rounder to fill a need as big as MLB with that much talent seems awfully tempting. Also, do we possibly have a chance at getting “The Zoltan” in the seventh round rather than the sixth? And finally, can someone give me a short and sweet explanation of what a “3 technique” versus a “5 technique” lineman is all about?
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 9, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions
3-technique DT is the 1-gap lineman in the 4-3 that penetrates the offensive line
5-technique is a DE in a 3-4 who is similar size to a 4-3 DT and plays a 2-gap
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
^this
and no I don’t like the trading up idea. McClain can be a great player…but the 1st and 3rd rounder could be like they are here, a revitalized DL, and the MLB in Chaney, who may be a better fit for the 4-3 anyway, in the 2nd.
MLB is simply not THAT big a need IMO. I think Goff could solve it. I wouldn’t hand him the spot, but giving him competition in Chaney could be all that’s needed.
And in order to not make the LB a complete wast, Chaney is versatile enough to play all 3 spots…so if Sintim’s a bust or a DE instead, Chaney’s our SLB. IF Boley’s hurt, Chaney can be the WLB.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
oops!
“I’m still not confident. . .” a DE is a good idea in the 1st round, unless we trade and get some value for Osi, which I would support by the way. (Don’t know how I posted in the middle of a sentence, sorry guys.)
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 9, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions
If we had one pick, and only one pick..then yes, DE is not one we go for.
As this shows…7 rounds, I’ve addressed all needs IMO (aside from maybe RB..oh well)
Morgan is the best available player at #15.
4 headed monster at DE. Future replacement for whoever is not retained in 2011 (Osi or Kiwi)
Also, probably most important…should Tuck, Kiwi or Osi get hurt in 2010…we don’t have a disaster cuz we have 1 1/2 DE’s.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
good draft
I like Morgan, so much so that I can’t see him reaching us. If this year is any indication, it will be expensive to keep Kiwi once he reaches UFA, and both him and Osi have disappointed. If Morgan is gone, I think whoever is around of Davis/Bulaga/Iupati gets a hard look.
I saw Lewis at the combine. Definitely looks more like a safety than corner. Just too slow changing directions.
I’ve been playing around with a full 7-round mock. There is not a lot of RB talent left in the late rounds. Not sure it is worth a pick. They would be better off chasing undrafted free agents.
Kiwi 2012
Which is why we should be thinking about him now. It’s a potentially big payout. Do we extend him now to avoid as bigger payday? Or do we anticipate letting him go?
maybe
its best to just trade kiwi. both him and osi arent very good against the run. we can draft morgan or graham this year, instead
Actually Kiwi’s very good against the run.
He’s also very good rushing the passer, just a step or 2 late.
The fact Kiwi had only 3 sacks this year was pretty ridiculous considering how many times he hit the QB.
And if he’s hitting the QB, with no Roughing called…that means he’s just a fraction late. But he’s putting those “remember me” hits out there.
I’d say keep em all and figure out what to do from there (5-1-5? 6-1-4? defenses?)
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Plus 1
We could bring in a fresh Osi on 3rd and long situations , Kiwi could be the extra man in run support, leaving Tuck and Morgan your primary starters
Kiwi was a beast in college too
so don’t automatically think that just because Morgan can get picked in the top 10-20 picks he will be a better NFL player.
Kiwi had 37.5 sacks in 38 starts in college yet in the NFL he can’t beat even the worst tackles…..
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 10, 2010 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
No pressure up the middle
Our DEs sack numbers dipped because we didn’t have good push up the middle. There was usually a nice pocket for the QB to step into meaning the end had to loop back in and got there a step late each time. I hope this is mostly fixed by Coefield and Canty being 100% healthy finally, but also is why I’m ok with a DT pick somewhere around the 3rd. I don’t think another DE solves the problem. I also think NT is a bigger need for DT than a 3 tech. We need someone who can provide a push and command a double team to free some of the other lineman to pin their ears back.
I’m just not sold on Canty either. Signed for a pile, then sat on the bike all year. I’m hoping Alford/Coefield can plug the NT hole as regular spot, then we can move Kiwi, Osi, Justin, Bernard and a Backer around a bit to put pressure on the OL from different spots. That will create a few mis-matches that will give Osi,Justin, Kiwi more oppotunities to get sacks.
Superstarzchef.....RABID GIANTS Fan on an Island
by superstarzchef on Mar 28, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
But you picked the wrong Myron.
Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! Oi ! Oi ! Oi ! Aiming for ONE medal in the winter Olympics.
If we draft Zoltan...
Let the “Dude, Where’s My Car?” jokes begin!
He is quite the monster back there, that is for sure.
I think you know little to nothing about the academic program at Florida
so I’d cool the criticism if I were you. My ex-girlfriend did a semester at UF before starting up at Cornell and said it was quite a relief to find out it was easier at Cornell.
Now, you can say that Cornell isn’t really that lofty an academic institution, but that would be a very bad mistake.
Stick to talking about football. It’s really, in the interest of credibility, a good idea.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
first off…its Florida State, so your ex-girlfriend may or may not have gone there.
Maybe some credibility will be attained by looking at what your talking about? Gainsville =/= Tallahasse.
Also, it was merely a joke at the Myron vs. Myron thing. Take this all a little less seriously. We’re all not in the war room.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Knee jerk reaction, sorry
I saw you hack UF once before when doing your daily disassembyrhyme on Spikes and thought you were continuing the same BS.
I can admit when I’m wrong, I hope it’s contageous.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I'm onboard for all this execpt....
for everything you wrote up until the 4th round begins. From the 4th down I can see the logic, and even agree that IF I were JR, I wouldn’t mind seeing my draft pan-out like this. It’s just those first 3 picks are killing me, and thats where you find the BEST OVERALL atheletes.
Superstarzchef.....RABID GIANTS Fan on an Island
by superstarzchef on Mar 28, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
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