Free Agency Open Thread
by Ed Valentine on Mar 5, 2010 2:14 PM EST
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Print[UPDATE 10:03 PM EST: Newsday reporting via Twitter that Antrel Rolle has signed with the Giants. Vacchiano and Garafolo also confirming. Hooray!!! Much more tomorrow.]
[UPDATE 8:03 PM EST: Lots of reports floating around that Karlos Dansby will sign a five-year contract with Miami on Saturday. Well, that's one less team likely to snag Rolando McClain before the Giants have a shot at him.]
[UPDATE 6:28 PM EST: Patrick Willis, on Twitter, unimpressed with David Carr visiting his 49ers. "for real for what. we have 3 qb's that are better then him. That's a waste of his time." Ouch, Patrick. So, when he signs how are you going to make nice? ]
[UPDATE 5:11 PM EST: Mike Garafolo reports that Antrel Rolle is not the only safety on the Giants' radar. Seems they are determined to upgrade that position, and that is good news.]
[UPDATE 4:47 PM EST: Interesting stuff in Philly, where coach Andy Reid is apparently blocking a Donovan McNabb trade. Go ahead and make jokes about Reid being a 'large' obstacle.]
[UPDATE 4:36 PM EST: ESPN's Matt Mosley has a look at backup quarterback options to replace David Carr, should Carr leave (which seems more and more likely). ]
[UPDATE 4:01 PM EST: RV reporting via Twitter that Rolle is taking a physical for the Giants. That would mean a deal is likely forthcoming. ]
[UPDATE 2:49 PM EST: Ralph Vacchiano has a pretty complete analysis of the current Rolle situation. Sounds to me like he will be a Giant ... unless the Dolphins are willing to up the ante.]
Still no news today on the New York Giants pursuit of free-agent safety Antrel Rolle. There are quite a few other things to discuss, though.
- Backup QB David Carr is scheduled to visit the San Francisco 49ers. C'mon down, Mark Brunell!
- Adam Schefter of ESPN is reporting via Twitter that the Chicago Bears have signed running back Chester Taylor, and will likely soon have a deal with defensive end Julius Peppers. So, the Bears are taking the Dan Snyder approach to free agency. They still have Jay Cutler, and they will still stink in 2010.
- By the way, Giants fans you had best pray that the Giants are able to sign Rolle. The backup plan appears to include a run at ex-Giant Ryan Clark. I don't care what nice things they are saying about Clark in Pittsburgh, I don't want to go down that road.
- The Miami Dolphins have released Gibril Wilson. Before you go jumping on the Gibril bandwagon, read carefully what Armadno Salguero of the Miami Herald has to say about Wilson. It's anything but kind, and it should give you pause.
- Mike Garafolo says the Giants might take their time in finding a middle linebacker.
Use this to discuss all things related to free agency for the rest of the day. Unless a Rolle signing happens I am not expecting any other big Giants news the rest of the day.
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Witherspoon
Philly let him go…..I think he is someone the G-men need to look at ….I’d say Witherspoon
over Dansby for bang for the buck
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Mar 5, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Witherspoon
Hes lined up at MLB for Philly alot…also week side
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Mar 5, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
He is a WLB as well
Can’t we at least give Boley a chance with a decent DC and a healthy training camp?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I would prefer Atogwe over Rolle and Morrison would be and ideal cherry on top
Bleeding Blue since 1962
rams tendered at #1
so Atogwe is a bit pricey
Sorry
I just googled it and it seems Rams backed off of yesterdays press release
Rolle and Atogwe are pretty similar
I just want at least one, and Rolle comes without the back end negotiation
It's the lowest level you can tender an RFA at.
It means a team will get no draft pick compensation if another team makes an offer and the current team doesn’t match
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Nope, Oshiomogho (OJ) Atogwe it is.
It has been confirmed, first right of refusal it is. No pick compensation, but what would probably be the offer is most likely going to be lower than the $7M the Rams would have to pay him next year, due to being franchised last year, so they would probably counter any reasonable offer.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
He is...
A first round tender, so that means it won’t happen here.
Yep..
Do you want them to give up #15? if so, they can sign him, ain’t going to happen.
Dude, I'm not talking about Bethea
Read the thread before you respond. I was just stating that Atogwe was only tendered at right of first refusal level. Welcome to the thread.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Dude, also have to look at the TIME comments were made...
Therefore I was commenting on Mr. GhostDini, welcome to how to read a thread.
+100
that would make decisions much easier for the brass come draft day as well, truly a BPA scenario for the Giants. Otogwe + healthy Phillips backfield would be quite a safety tandem
I think...
A lot of people are getting to hung up on what J.R. said about Phillips, including their beat writers. He is just waving the “cautious flag”, as a GM, that is the prudent thing to do.
That does not translate into meaning they don’t believe he will be healthy, but as a GM, it is a
long way from now until Labor Day weekend, hence the caution flag.
+1
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 5, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
im going for the 3-peat here
Gimmie Morrison!
rolle or atogwe works for me.. HAVE to get one tho
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
preferably rolle
give him the 8 mil and call it a night
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jay Cutler Stink???
Dnt think so but whatever lol, he had a dwn year in a system that was bad but know he is with mike martz and this is no where near the Dan snyder approach, he goes after big names with questionable talent left. the bears dnt have a 1st or second round pick and their coach n GM r on a short leesh so what other choice do they have but to be aggressive in FA Cmon lets be real here its do or die for them. they need an upgrade at WR and T and they will be okay. as for rolle i originallly didnt want him but miami S are always good and please dnt sleep on Ryan Clarke, its not steelers fans that like him its alotta personnell people as well, i would take him but still draft someone.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Cutler = a younger Jeff George
I for 1 don’t think Cutler is as good as many think..he’s no Bum…but def not a Franchise QB
Regroup refocus..retool...
Franchise QB he is that!!
His attitude needs an adjustment but all those picks doesnt mean he is not a franchise QB, Brett favre doesnt exactly take care of the ball either and never has until last yr. If you look at all 32 teams there are plenty who would like cutler, he is not a bust just yet he does have to get better but they also need some wide outs or hes gonna have the same type of yr again. hes a gun slinger from the favre and romo mold but they have guys that catch the ball. I cant even name a bears WR besides hester and i wouldnt consider him a WR either.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Bears have no choice right now
This isn’t an organization that normally does this. They are usually as tight as any team in the NFL, but they have to do this for the reasons you state.
As for Cutler, I wouldn’t quite call him Jeff George (he simply can’t be that dumb … I think), but he’s starting to approach that territory.
I agree
They sold the farm on Cutler and now they HAVE to make it work. Bad player to sell the farm for. Cutler has a lot of physical gifts but he is mental. Glad we have Eli!
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would
take Wilson, but that would be in addition to Rolle or Atogwe. I wouldnt mind having Wilson in place of Brown, Rouse, or Johnson.
Rolle... Upgrade but by how much?
I think Rolle is an upgrade but I’m a little bit worried that he is being a bit overhyped. Remember, he is the same Rolle who played for a Cardinals team who had 23rd ranked defense in 09 and was torched by the Saints 45-14 in the playoffs.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions
He also got torched against the packers as well
JR is paying a lot of money for a mediocre talent
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Bears
I live in Chicago and you should see the excitement on my coworkers faces over the possibility of bringing in Peppers. LOL… Jay Cutler will never win a Super Bowl. He is a headcase. You can’t really fully appreciate what Eli brings to the Giants until you live in another city. IMO
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:41 PM EST reply actions
+1
Lived in the DC metro..after seeing the Redskins QB play for 10 yrs..I can agree 100% with this statement
Regroup refocus..retool...
Let's not...
Dump on Jason Campbell, you try playing the most difficult position in sports with a new coach every year or so, and 5 diif. offensise coordiantors. For Campbell’s sake, I hope he winds up somewhere else.
Campbell is awful
regardless of the rest of the team
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your opinion..
I don’’t share it, that’s why I prefaced my comment on him,
Well...
They did manage to get to a Superbowl with a Grossman if I recall. Cutler has an absolute rocket, if he grows up,it could happen. (Esepecially the way they are spending already)…
You have people there whose jobs are on the line this year, ie. the Head coach, the GM, and the owner gave the ok to spend, and they are doing so.
I have a feeling
We are gonna go cheap and get nothing good in the end. Wrong thing to do this year….
stay positive my friend
Rolle will be livin in Wayne New Jersey before too long.
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Canty, Boley, Bernard.
Backfired (at least the first year) about as bad as it can get.
Baffles me that some people want to spend spend spend so much.
Yes…do it, but all means…2009 shouldn’t make you NOT sign a FA.
But for chrissakes…its not a horrible idea.
Master of the squeegee
I like Boley
Once again he will be very good for us nxt yr, he was injured, played in a new system, was making calls for 1st time and remember the most important thing——— He is a 235lb linebacker who played behind a RE who kept getting washed off the line of scrimmage, now tell me when an offensive lineman gets to the second level on a 235lb backer, hes gonna look bad……the wil backer is supposed to be Free (no pun intended) to make plays but when he constantly doesnt have a stout RE infront of him and he is injured, guess what happens??? he showed flashes of what we signed him for when he wasnt injured or on hs back…….. he does have to show more but hes the one out of the 3 that i think we as fans will love nxt yr. Im not in favor of spending either tho
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I liked Boley
But I don’t know that it was RE, by the end, too many players trying to cover each other, ended up like the keystone kops falling all over each other.
Boley was a good sign
Just got hurt. Had mid-season surgery, came back and still made an impact. We effed up on bernard. Canty possibly the same. Cowboy fans know he is an all show no go kinda guy. hopefully perry fewell can bring out the best of him.
i think this year however we HAVE to sign someone at the 2 big positions of need. LB and S. last years DL signings were for depth purposes only. this year we have NEEDS at S and LB. someothing has to be done before the draft whether it be rolle, morrison, whoeevr.
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
well..Canty and Bernard (apparently..) had the same problem as Boley. Canty, actually worse the Boley (much worse…).
Canty’s game is stopping the run and occupying blockers. That’s what he did in Dallas in order to free up Ware et. al.
A healthy Canty being our NT….would go a long way to helping the line play.
Master of the squeegee
Free...
Read what I posted on" Rolle, Yes or No".
Wow..
Ed, thank Cervelli I’m not the only one who doesn’t want Ryan Clark.
Whatever they do..I don’t mind.
To be honest…I’d rather them sped $8million a year to get a friggin training staff that keeps these guys healthy.
Dansby, Peppers, Rolle..Lawerence Taylor reincarnate…all would be completely useless if they’re on the bench nursing a pulled hammy.
Master of the squeegee
AMEN to that Free
If healthy last year, i dnt think were having alot of these discussions
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Clark's a fine player
The Giants already have 3 guys that basically play the same way
I don’t get the point of bringing him in unless they know that they are picking ET (but Reese isn’t the count your chickens before they hatch kinda guy)
Kirk Morrison
The New York Times’ Fifth Down Blog recently did a review of the Raiders’ season. They were critical of Morrison, saying, “The defense’s greatest flaw was surrendering big plays. A large number of those big plays resulted from poor linebacker play, particularly in the middle, where Kirk Morrison – a master of the half misstep – was once again unimpressive.” The Times went on to point out that 2009 was Morrison’s fifth season; at this point, what we have seen is what we can expect.
Mickey C
Raiders may be lame
But most teams make solid decisions on their own players in terms of tender.
That tender means they want him gone and are hoping for compensation. He, like CC Brown might get cut in camp.
lots of negativity on Morrison lately…and thoughts that Demeco Ryans makes sense for a 1st and 3rd vs merely a 3rd for Morrison.
Well…PFF has Morrison merely 2 spots below Ryans He’s actually top 5 against the Run too (but not too good against the Pass).
The guy was 4th in the NFL in unassisted tackles too…so, if this guy can’t tackle…well..imagine if somehow the Giants can teach him too (Raiders aren’t exactly know for teaching).
Dunno if he’s getting by with all physical ability either..he could be.
As for the coverage issue…I don’t think its a drastic issue, especially if Fewell seems to know his way around designing coverage schemes for a defense.
Master of the squeegee
as long as hes not an Eagle
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Draft a linebacker
In addition to giving up draft picks we all forget that we would also have to sign hefty contracts for morrison and ryans, i think we should just save our money and invest in weatherspoon, spikes or whoever else is projected to be an impact player or for petes sake let John goff be the starter, a healthy line, improved secondary and Goff with another year of experience is something i have no issue with he did have a sack and a pick with a few tackles in his limited time as a starter……….Goff should enter camp as the starter……… when Sintim was first drafted TC and JR said he can play diff LB positions, he might end up at mike (dnt know about him in space tho) but if he can do it, we could juts take kindle and put him at sam and Viola! lol
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Rolle
The Blue Screens Update on Rolle says he is taking a physical with us right now.
All's Well that Fewell
yeeeaaa!!!
jus sign on the dotted line!
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Pro Football Focus had Antrel Rolle at -7.3 overall as a safety last year
And we’re going to pay him $8 million a year
I mean I trust Jerry, but I’m really unsure about Rolle…
I have an uneasy feeling about Rolle
I feel like he is not going to be as big of an impact as 8million per yr would suggest, im sure not everyone in the organization is feeling this move
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
If no Rolle
Then it is CC Brown Johnson and a Rookie… if KP can’t go thats scary, 8mil a year but don’t forget you can make the contract heavy in the back and all the money won’t be Guaranteed.
All's Well that Fewell
saw above not sure if its true
that atogwe was tenured with a 1st round
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Vacchiano says it doesn't require compensation
He’d be cheaper than Rolle, and he’s been a lot more effective in the last three years
its not $8million a year....
the guaranteed dough is a lot less then that.
If you wanna say Rolle is $8mill a year…you might as well say that Dansby’s deal is gonna be twice that at $16mill a year.
Dansby’s wanting $30mill guaranteed…but the actual contract is more like $80million….so 5years at that is $16 mill.
Master of the squeegee
Gotcha
but what will he be getting in yrs 1 and 2, im sure its still alot….. he contract will be front loaded he is young.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
exactly.
The contract will say something real shiny..like say….5 Years $40 million.
But the guaranteed cash is usually 1/2 that or less, and like you say…after 1 or 2 years its basically all incentives with a real low base salary.
The reported number is basically useless.
Master of the squeegee
Yea the reported # is useless
football players never live out the life of their contract, maybe a QB but even that gets restructured somewhere along the line
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Speaking of reported numbers
I heard Peytons new contract will be near 200mil over 20mil a year… Now there is a crazy number, but hey guy deserves it.. Get your money big bro!
All's Well that Fewell
Saw that, too
It’s relative, I think, and you know a love PFF. You have to look at what Rolle would be replacing. Plus, factor in that he can and does make plays on the ball. Something no safety other than KP on the Giants roster can do. He’s an upgrade, and the money is probably irrelevant right now. It’s the price of doing business, just like last season. Question is, will this work out better than Canty, Boley, Bernard?
Well...
Could it possibly be any worse than the three amigos last year, I think not Ed.
In Fewell and Merrit I trust tho
Dave merrit had us thinking Gibril wilson, Michael Johnson and james Butler were good so i know he can take rolle to the nxt level………8 mil tho???? more than kenny & tuck are getting……dbnt know if his impact warrants that but like i said i trust TC, JR, fewell and merrit
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
If he actually earns the $8million…it means he’s a Pro Bowl caliber player.
The guarnanteed dough probably will be more like $4-5 mill. And most of these deals are front loaded in the bonus money.
Master of the squeegee
free agents
what about this we sign sharper for a year to teach our young safteys an draft either Earl Thomas in the first or Nate Allen in the 2nd
get Kirk morrison/Dereck Johnson
by hotshot5568@aim.com on Mar 5, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions
that’s an option. lots of options obviously. But is Sharper available to the Giants? Will ET be there at #15? Nate Allen at #46?
By getting Rolle..they assure themsevles of a solid veteran safety..who’s 6 years younger then Sharper (or thereabout).
I’d still look at it as they have one starter..Rolle. I look at Kenny Phillips as a backup. So they need another starter anyway.
Master of the squeegee
ya but what if Phillips comes back and now we have Earl Thomas,Philips and Rolle althought Rolle and Thomas can play CB
by hotshot5568@aim.com on Mar 5, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
a Backup?
If Kenny Phillips is healthy and a backup, then they should bring YA Tittle as a backup for Eli too! C’ mon now, let’s get real.
Our safeties are past the mentor point
Johnson and whoever else just need to grow a set……and step the hell up, sharper cant teach them how to catch…. our safeties last year were always in position to make a play they just didnt…..these guys are basically vets now no mentoring needed.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
A Mentality
You can’t teach a safety mentality. You cannot make a CC Brown play like an Ed Reed or a Ronnie Lott. It’s a personality trait. The problem with the Giants in recent years is that their linebackers and safeties lack that killer instinct. Hopefully these signings and the draft will change that.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry
CC Brown will not be around, non-issue, no way he will be back. They just tendered him as a formality, adios.
i mean Kenny Phillips and Earl Thomas/Nate Allen
by hotshot5568@aim.com on Mar 5, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
What's wrong with..should they sign Rolle...
signing Sharper too?
KP should be looked at as a backup. So Sharper and Rolle can start.
If KP’s just a backup, he can play sparingingly..which is probably best so he can recover.
Then, should they only sign Sharper to a one year deal…hopefully by 2011 KP is back to normal
Either way, I think they need another safety even if they get Rolle.
Master of the squeegee
Yes we do
and i think thats what JR meant by he is appraoching things as if kenny wasnt coming back, that probably means a 2nd or 3rd round safety tho…….. however 2 S from FA does leave the first round for a DT and 2nd round for an MLB or vice versa…….it would be less confusion until a spectacular S falls in the draft and makes us think twice
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
+1
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Or a beast DT...
at #15, and a Daryl Washington with the 47th pick in Rd. 2
Sharper
Why not! Sign him for a year. Give him a nice signing bonus and go to war with him and Rolle. This would be a major improvement. It would also give us a little flexibility in the draft as we could go for a MLB, DT or even an OL.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions
Yes it sure would
Until KP walks intraining camp out running and out playing both sharper and rolle lol, but we run a 3 safety rotation anyway but that may have been due to lack of talent
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Why not?
Wht not spend about 20 mill. on two safeties, remember these are the Giants my friends,
Dan Snyder is not walking thru that door anytime soon.
I know
I weve been working on Rolle all day I meant any new news at all? lol thanks buddy.
GO NY GIANTS!!
no I mean he’s apparently taking a physical.
Like..for real, Rolle on the NYG’s.
Master of the squeegee
Good
I hope we didn’t overpay him but this is good news for the Giants. This is an upgrade. Now we grab a MLB in the 1st round and try and get Safety Chad Jones in the 2nd round.
GO NY GIANTS!!
Backup QB
I’m not a real fan of Brunell and it looks like Carr will be driving away. Who should we get? Do we draft a QB in one of the late rounds or do we bring in a Delhomme like player as insurance.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think its a big worry.
Delhommie is a nice option, I don’t have problem with Brunell either (worked for the Saints…).
I don’t trust Bomar yet…maybe the staff sees something?
Master of the squeegee
Rhett Bomar will be fine
Im not even gonna think Eli will go dwn, tooo scary for me, ill let you guys handle the back up QB discussion,
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Hes just behind rivers and volek
i think his name is whitehurst
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Not much out there?
But not excited about Brunell, when is the last time he actually threw a a meaningful pass in a a game…We saw how well 40 year old backups worked for the Cowboys when
Brad Johnson had to play against the Giants two years ago, ugly.
I respectfully disagree
I think it is important. You never want to think of a worst case scenario but God forbid Eli gets injured. What do you do then? I don’t think I would want to put all my faith in a 40 year old QB or an unproven Bomar.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions
It is important…yet, guys like Bomar have to start somewhere.
There always seems to be a David Carr out there. Like say…Delhomme? He could drive the car for a few games I think.
Master of the squeegee
Oh, man
I’d rather have Brunell than Delhomme. Jake is an interception waiting to happen, a disaster in the big spot. I don’t want him.
I agree, either him or brunell.
vets with experience, thats all you need with a backup. Rolle and Morrison would make me a happy camper coming into draft day. Than we can use that first round pick for Bruan price!!!
Delhomme scares the living day lights out of me
if you cant get the ball to THAT Steve smith your definetly not gonna get the ball to This Steve smith………………..maybe Culpepper or somethin
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
this is true.
But he’s a backup. His clipboard might get intercepted…but still, he’s a backup.
Considering we did A-OK with David Carr as our backup….tomato, tomatoe…he’s a backup.
Master of the squeegee
Seems a lot of guys are getting ...
the higher level tenders this year. Could it be the uncapped year, and the teams may still cut them in camp and owe them nothing anyway ? (or is some of that guaranteed ?)
I think the “original pick tender” is actually lower then other tenders.
Campbell is a first round pick..so that’s why he’s a “first round tender”
Master of the squeegee
do you think were
gonna win the whole show with any backup? Without Eli we would be dead in the water period.
every team is dead in the water without thier starting QB
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not the 1990-91 New York Giants :)
G-d bless Jeff Hostetler!
Pennington
I hate to say it but I think he would be a decent insurance policy
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions
Too many Deeep threats for penningtons arm
Steve smith and Kevin Boss would get all the throws if he has to play
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He is the backup tho
jacobs and bradshaw coming back healthy, would eliminate needs for a long ball if eli goes down. We would have to rely on our run game, which is something that we should be doing anyway.
Chad
They had a deal in place but a no trade clause has taken it off the table, for now.
All's Well that Fewell
that's good then
Chad’s an ideal backup IMO.
If Eli had something happen to him like happened this season, I’d rather Chad start a game or 2..then someone like David Carr
Master of the squeegee
Miami is going to keep Pennington
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I always eat there at O'Hare.
And they haven’t poisoned me yet. So by that logic…Pennington in Blue.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I’m sure Pennington wouldn’t mind coming back to NY in a limited role. A REAL limited role. He would fit the Giants offensive scheme as well if armageddon did take place. I’d sign him for a year.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Did the Giants release Rockey Bernard
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by Scent of a Woman on Mar 5, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions
I guess if Eli went down we could always try to convince Warner to come out of retirement. haaa
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Up until Eli's season this year, KURT WARNER HAD A HIGHER RATING AS A GIANT THAN ELI DID
Kurt Warner>Eli Manning
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by Scent of a Woman on Mar 5, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wake me up when Eli
Wins 2 NFL MVP awards and takes his team to 2 more SuperBowls.
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by Scent of a Woman on Mar 5, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
wake me up when Warner wins more SB’s then Eli.
Also, wake me up when Eli plays in a nice cushy dome stadium with 2 HOF WR.
Master of the squeegee
How can you be so sure that Eli plays in another SuperBowl
While Kurt played in 3, and could have won them all.
Kurt Warner played in a dome for most of his career. However, so has Peyton Manning. Dan Marino played in cozy Florida, Joe Montana in California. Just because they aren’t playing in frigid Chicago or Green Bay does not make them any less great.
Look at what Kurt did with Steve Breston, Early Doucet, etc. etc. Warner was so accurate that he would be able to play with any recieving core. Let me see what numbers Fitzgerald puts up with Leinart throwing him the ball.
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by Scent of a Woman on Mar 5, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
I dont think that will happen, we have a very patient organization when it comes to injuries bad play and other issues, no other team wouldve kept david tyree, corey webster, or even plax with all his non compliance issues, plax was big play but he never put up gaudy #s to me, the fact that steve smith can come in and blow away gmen records says alot.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Hey, the Lions just cut Grady Jackson ...
so we could always sign him instead of Bernard if we’re looking for an old, fat POS.
Jackson was a thought last year. Him being dropped is a testimony to his lack of worth
Bleeding Blue since 1962
We can only hope...
This will happen….Whoaaaah!
I'd Keep Carr
I just took a look at the Free Agent list and unless you want a malcontented Daunte Culpepper sitting on your bench the pickings are pretty slim.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions
I'm Surprised
The Browns didn’t release Quinn or Anderson. I think Derek Anderson would work in the right system.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
give brady quinn an actual football team and coach
and he could be great too.
GO IRISH
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
But...
Even older than Brunell, gotta get somebody younger, hell JP Losman is out there?
Didn’t he play in Canada last season?
Why do we want Rolle so much more than Clark?
PFF ratings:
2009 – Clark 968 snaps, 1.6 (3.2 in coverage) / Rolle 1041 snaps -7.2 (-5.7 in coverage)
2008 – Clark 864 snaps 1.2 (1.1 in coverage) / Rolle 1063 snaps -0.8 (-2.2 in coverage)
Doesn’t seem like there is a huge difference here, unless we ignore PFF (and from reading, I don’t believe that Ed ignores PFF).
Curious as to why the negativity on Clark . . . (though I am all for Rolle, Clark, Phillips and drafting MRolle).
Clark is more of a strong safety…and he plays with Polamalu. So yes..his stats are misleading. I think CC Brown would be an NFL player with Polamalu there.
Rolle is a coverage guy. He’s had more plays in coverage too, he’s basically the team’s CF..while Adrian Wilson plays in the box.
Most of his negative numbers are from the 2 playoff games and a Colts game, where the offenses were unstoppable.
The rest of the games he was Pro Bowl level.
Master of the squeegee
I am not against Rolle, more pro - getting more than 1 decent safety
Assuming Sharper is out, why not Rolle AND Clark though? Rolle had 10 negative regular season games in 2009 (and 5 at best -1.3). Clark only had 5 negative games and only 3 1.3 or worse. It just seems that they are fairly equivelant – and we need more than 1 new safety (just in case KP doesn’t come back).
Not against signing Rolle, just curious why the negativity on Clark.
sign em all I say :)
well…KP’s coming back, I’m fairly sure of that given all the reports. I don’t count him as a starter…but he’s back on the team I’d think.
Clark is basically James Butler, Gibril Wilson…that caliber of safety. He’s going to cost more then that tho..he’s said he’s worth that (and if we pay Rolle his contract….he’ll ask for that amount…)
I’d rather draft a safety, Clark is a product of Polamalu and the Steelers defense.
Rolle is put in the position more to play the pass, and also his team has not nearly the pass rush of the Steelers.
Rolle is a former CB playing safety..so his natural cover skills are better.
Master of the squeegee
Just for the fun of the debate . . .
Clark ranked 18th in safeties in 09 (without Polamalu). Butler ranked 80th. Rolle 67th. Clark’s coverage rating on PFF was higher than Rolle’s. KP is likely a backup (or at least that has to be the assumption until camp). If we can go get Atogwe, why not Clark (no draft pick required).
btw – if we draft Thomas, this is all a moot point – just enjoying the debate waiting to board a plane.
As I said I'm not a huge Rolle fan
But…. I don’t think Reese is stupid, and I’m sure he’s done his scouting on Rolle…
Between Fewell and Dave Merritt, I think we have his talent evaluated well enough
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Speaking of FA's
Do we draft or sign a K and P? I don’t like what is out there at the moment.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions
A Punter...
We have signed a kicker, although I don’t believe he has played in the NFL, Sam Swank(y)…
If Swank(y), can kick the ball into the end zone 25-35% of the time, then you can keep Tynes for FG’s, he did make I think 28 for 32 last year, and is over 80% career wise, just makes you feel a bit uncomfortable a times, They will bring in a punter to at least look at, whether in the draft or an undrafted FA, Father Time caught up to Feagles last year, it was obvious
Sammie Swank
Solid kicker out of Wake and has a leg. I’m not sure that we want to take up two roster spots with a K so I wouldn’t mind seeing us sign Swank and ditch Tynes. I remember him making some big kicks from the 50 yard range in college. His kickoffs should be about 8-10 yards better than Tynes, which would equate to about 5 more first downs that the opponent would need to get. Huge. No ideas for a punter but we were in the bottom 2 for net punting and kickoffs last year so we need to make some moves.
by NY Football Giants on Mar 5, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
There you have it...
And normally I would agree, not 2 roster spots for kickers, but I recall how well the kid from the Cowboys did on kickoffs, and in the Giants case, it could be workable, means
a ST guy or backup OL doesn’t dress for the game.
Something tells me Reese isn't going to rely on a rookie
Even if we don’t get Morrison, we might get Larry Foote, who is a lot better than I thought
Look at Pro Football Focus
I didn’t think much of him at first, but Foote has been very good the last two years
another...
another 3-4 linebacker, not a MLB, not a solution for the Giants. He can look ok in that alignment in Pitts., but don’t see it here. If I had a GM cap, McClain if he still around at # 15 or DT there, and Washington in the 2nd round. cuz I love players with a high motor, which makes up for lack of size in my book, ie. London Fletcher , Jack Lambert from yesteryear.
trade up?
if they dont make any moves for MLB, that makes trading up for rolando that much more possible
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hope..
That the Tuna signs Dansby, that would help.
I would look at Craig Hentrich… A lot of garbage. Graham is a lot like Rackers and Kaeding. Consistant during the regular season and very inaccurate in high-pressure situations. I’d sign Hentrich and look to draft a K in the late rounds.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions
I wish they traded mcnuggets guaranteed 8-8 season with korn kolb and puppy love starting for them
DB
by DukBudr on Mar 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep Peppers and Taylor are now bears
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Our guys are giving Rolle a physical so, looks like they are going to get him.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Garafolo says the Giants are talking to Rolle and other FA safeties
Including Darren Sharper, Oshimigo Atogwe, and Antoine Bethea
Atogwe or Sharper please
Rolle AND Otogwe?
Should that so happen…considering many on here clamoring for safeties…doe JR read BBV?
Master of the squeegee
I think it's a choice between the two
In which case Sharper would be better… excellent stop gap for a year or 2, and we just draft a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I love them to get Sharper
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
No Way
Do we give up our first rounder for Bethea. As far as Atogwe… He is tendered as Right of first refusal… There must be a reason for that??
We go for Rolle or Sharper.. If not them then we fix it through the draft.
I thought we should go for Atogwe, but it's smart to go UFA first.
The Rams have right of first refusal, so we would have to wait a week to see if they matched the offer. There’s no compensation at that tender level but we could get outbid and miss out on other possible prospects in the mean time.
JR said he was going to wait on RFA’s until he sees what movement there is. I agree with his approach.
I think we could have gotten Sharper for less money then Rolle at 34 years old and gotten better production for a year or two while bringing up a rookie. However, I have faith in our staff. They’ll make the right decisions.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Any way to get Kerry Rhodes?
For all the bad press, PFF has him as the #2 safety in 09 and the #3 safet in 08. Plus it seems the J-E-T-S are down on him (not sure why, Revis – Cromartie – Rhodes – Leonhard would be the best backfield in the game).
Probably Unlikely
I doubt the Jets would let the Giants grab him. He would have to be a UFA.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 5, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rolle and Atogwe please....Sharper who???
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
I'm def not on the Sharper bandwagon
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 5, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Darren Sharper, the guy who had 9 picks last year
And who has been one of the best safeties in football for like the last decade
Duh...and where was he the second half of the season?
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 5, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well he was busy helping them win their first ever Super Bowl..that's all
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
yeah cuze he sure did light it up in the bowl
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 5, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Bobby..
Did you catch the Braves and Mets down there (in person)? Pretty funny, first game of ST, and the Metropolitans get a pitcher hurt. That’s right Elmer Dessens he said, a sure fire HOFamer in the future, can’t believe he is still in baseball. Like when Choate came in last season for the Rays at the Stadium. I did a double take, almost choked on my beer.
Hey Great..No I missed that game..They play right here in Port St Lucie at
Tradition Field, and I take the boys to alot of the games but we missed that one..It is fun going to those games to watch them get ready..The field is only about 5 miles from where we are and the kids love it..I will say that from what I have seen, they are looking pretty darn good already….I think Jason Bay is going to be a big help…and David Wright looks like he is getting his swing back..Reyes hasn’t shown too much yet, they are being careful with him..Santana looked awesome when I was over there too last week..So who knows if they stay healthy it could be a good year for the Mets..I root for both New York teams and just hope they both do well. If we ever had a ‘subway’ series I would probably finally lose my mind…lol..
Oh, one more thing before this becomes a book versus a comment..You can watch these guys play for next to nothing..They have 1$ days/nights 1$ beers, hotdogs, you name it..I generally eat the hot dogs and feed the kids the beer…lol..I figure “That’ll shut them up”..Just kidding !!haha
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
We should probably hear by tommorrow on Rolle...
And as far as the 8million..Shit it ain’t my money..sign him..and get Sharper..then that problem is solved and we can solve the DT issue.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Theres a dumb move..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I'd say so..for the Cards.
No Boldin, and it’s very likely no Dansby or Rolle…..definitely no Kurt Warner.
…Maybe Spags and the Rams trying to get McNabb is not a bad idea? The division is wiiiiiide open.
Master of the squeegee
ya hear that noise Arizona....
that subtle little squeak. That was the window of opportunity closing
no way
Breaston is already better than Boldin.
I think the Ravens got fleeced.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
They got a guy who had 80 plus catches for a 3 and a 4? (and got a 5...)
so basically they "traded back in the 4th) and gave up a 3 for Boldin.
If you look at the Ravens WR…they didn’t give up anything here.
Master of the squeegee
I think its a good trade for both teams
the cards have other receivers to take the load while Baltimore are terrible in drafting WR and desperately need one and got one for relatively cheap
Win / win for both sides
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yep..back to being a 'tumbleweed' team in 48 hours..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Don't be surprised if Spags goes after Delhomme..
Remember Kurt Warner?..washed up?..Well, look at what happened..they had a couple of crappy seasons..So did Kerry Collins…but they came back to haunt the league.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
But Delhomme had major shoulder surgery a few years ago
Physically he can’t be the same player as he was back in 2003 and etc
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well maybe..but I think last year it was his broken pinky on his throwing hand...
I think the shoulder gave him problems in ‘08..Hard to throw a ball accurately with three fingers in ’09..but he still showed some ’zip’ on the ball..they weren’t zeroing in on the target..I don’t think he’s all done..Shit they thought Pennington was all done..He did a pretty damn good job for Miami..in fact Miami wants to keep him..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Corey Williams
wow lions getting corey williams for a couple late round picks….would have liked to seen the gaints do that. lord knows we could use the help there
I'm ready to Rolle!
Yes sir! He will be signed by morning!
According to WFAN, Giants and Rolle in "holding pattern"
Please Reese, don’t give in to this overrated schlub’s demands
Like I said before..if Fewell didn't see things he likes about Rolle they wouldn't even talk to him
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Yep, I'm pretty confident in Fewell, Dave Merritt and Pete Giunta.
They might know a thing or two.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
yes…don’t give into his demands..but give in to the more overrated Dansby’s double demands.
Makes sense. Especially since Dansby plays a position the Giants have filled already.
Master of the squeegee
Right... pay the overrated safety the same amount as Ed Reed and Troy Polomalu, but don't pay for a guy who can play a position we have a monstrous hole at
You do realize Dansby has played in a 4-3 before?
Dansby is an excellent player, Rolle is just average.
Yes I do
But from the reports I’ve heard, he has definitely has enough versatility to play MLB in a 4-3
The Cards use some 4-3 looks, but Dansby doesn’t play the MLB in those situations..he plays the outside.
Master of the squeegee
If you say it enough don't make it true
Just keep saying Dansby cannot play a 4-3 MIKE. Repitiion is a wonderful thing. Advertising folks do it all the time and it works on people who cannot or do not rationalize or even think for that matter.
But the fact is Dansby is a very talented and proven athlete who at 28 is no youngster but he has played inside and IMO he most certainly can play MIKE. I just don’t want to spend BIG $$$ on him and Miami seems to.
Just remember folks, this is football. Throw the bvall catch the ball tackle the ballcarrier.
Jeez ….Enough already on Dansby. He is not even coming here and McClain is the better solution, if we can get him, anyway.
OK sure.
Yet, the only time I’ll say it is when someone was he’s a LB and what we need (no indication of position).
Why stop there? Dunta Robinson is a hell of a secondary player. Our secondary sucked last year, lets get Robinson.
?
He CAN play it. So CAN Mike Boley or Clint Sintim.
I CAN drive with my feet…doesn’t make it a good idea.
Master of the squeegee
If you KNEW
you be a GM and not on this blog.
You are entitled to express opinions NOT inflict them on people simply because you have nothing to do but post
You are a smart guy but you have no sense of when to ease up.
stating what the guy has actually played..is not an opinion. He’s not played MLB.
Opinion is thinking the guy could play MLB.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
NEVER…said he can’t. Actually…repeatedley said he “could”
Said he hasn’t, which..he hasn’t.
Maybe this is why I peat and repeat myself, cuz one just doesn’t seem to read what I said.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Boley is a good WLB
we don’t need competition for him…let alone $30 million guaranteed for competition.
Unless we’re cutting Boley?
Master of the squeegee
Rolle is a solid pick up
Most everyone has him in their first tier FA, Ferrell specializes in maximizing potential in the secondary and rolle will give us what we need.
Right, lets stick with CC, Rouse, Johnson and an arthritic knee.
Good plan. It’s an UNCAPPED year people. Let’s get some help in free agency. Geez.
Rolle isn't that goddamn good
In fact, he was pretty horrible last year
I’m not saying not to get safety; I’m saying we should get Sharper or Atogwe because they’ll be cheaper and they’re better players than Rolle is.
Who cares if hes cheaper, what are we saving the money for?
plus roll has the versatility, played CB in college, so you have to figure his coverage skills are gonna translate.
We don't need another corner
And Rolle’s pass coverage has been rated -9.5, -4.5, and -4.5 the last three years by PFF
How are Sharper and Otogwe cheaper?
Sharper might be less years…but I doubt Otogwe is going to be cheap.
Master of the squeegee
Otogwe may not be super cheap, but I doubt he'll cost $8 million a year
He’s also much better in pass coverage
I’d be fine with Rolle if he was making $4 million a year… but $8 million is absolutely insane
sigh....
…insane…is thinking Rolle will make $8 million.
it may say..5yrs $40 mill…but that’s incentives. Meaning, if he’s making $8 million, he’s a Pro Bowl caliber player.
Meaning he’s earning it, and he’s very..very good.
I doubt the actual guaranteed dough is more then $20 million (meaning $4 million per)
Canty got a 7 year $42 million deal or something like that didn’t he!!!???/
Guaranteed was like $20 million or so. So please…cut this crap with the $8 million per year.
Master of the squeegee
It's the number being bandied about on the web, that's all.
He’s already been offered, and turned down, close to $7M, so it’s realistic that he’s looking for something similar to 8.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
It is…and I’m sure the contract will look like that.
But look at Dasby’s contract. He got basically “$8mill” per year, but $22 guaranteed.
…dunno why I gotta explain this so much….
Master of the squeegee
Like I stated before, Rolle is available right now. Atogwe would take a week to even answer.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Plus honestly, do u think that Spags is willing to lose one of his quality defensive players?
Especially to the giants?
Was responding more to Flynner
than you. But you know Sharper is only good for a year or two. If they front load Rolle’s contract for next year it won’t hurt down the line. The Giants need at least one defensive starter in FA and Rolle certainly fits the bill.
Shit I'm hitting the water tonight maybe I'll try to twitter my bait..
See if they get me some bites..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Finally figured out what you meant or should I say who you were talking to.
Still kind of new to the site. Bite it, bite me, bite back!
sorry for the confusion. I thought the sarcasm was laid out there thick enough. I don’t love Rolle, but for what is availiable to us without giving anything up he’s my Fav option. Sharper is fine too but i like the younger guy, you never know when old man retirement is gonna catch up with ya.
Get Rolle signed. I don’t care about the price, I’m not paying it and there is no cap
It's not overpaying
when you have to bid higher than the next guy already has to secure him. It’s called a free market. He’s worth what someone will pay him.
It is overpaying when he's going to get paid as much as the best two safeties in football
While two cheaper and better options are still out there.
I understand we having a gaping hole at S, but that still doesn’t make it logical to massively overpay for someone who
a) Was terrible last year
b) Was only average the year prior
Just sign Atogwe or even Sharper. They may not be long term options, but you can draft a safety as well who can be groomed while Atogwe/Sharper are still on the team
If JR's going after him....
he doesn’t suck.
You may not sign him…but maybe Reese sees a 6"0 210lbs S who was a corner for a few years in the league.
He may have had an average year in ARZ…but their defense has never been all that good. He’s a weapon for our new DC.
Your boy Dansby is a good LB. If this was 2009…abso-friggin loutly, go balls deep and sign him.
He’s not a MLB, we need a MLB, it doesn’t make sense to pay a guy that kind of money.
If it did make sense…I doubt the reports out of Giants-land would’ve been that they are out of the running before FA even starts…ya capice?
Master of the squeegee
Alright, I'll give you Dansby...
But Reese messed up miserably in FA last year aside from Boley…. and he did it by overpaying guys he thought would fit in this system; Canty and Bernard.
I’m not doubting that he sees something in Rolle I don’t…. but after last year’s train wreck, I don’t think he deserves infallibility either
OK.
Yet..while your knocking him for Canty (who was injured..so we don’t know whether he fits or not…)
Why would you be so quick with Dansby? Its the same square peg in round hole thing!
Of course..it could work. But that’s why I’d be leary of it…cuz we saw with Canty, a guy playing a position he’s never played, isn’t really a good idea.
Master of the squeegee
And no..he doesn’t deserve infalability.
…yet, I think you know that Boley, Dansby and Bernard were all hurt for a large portion of last year…and CC Brown was only playing a lot because KP was on IR……..
Its not exactly JR’s fault that these guys were hurt or playing cuz others got hurt.
IF we sign Rolle…and he gets hurt, are we gonna blame JR for that?
Master of the squeegee
The only way to improve his batting average is to keep swinging.
The team isn’t going to get much better with the same players and some rookies TC won’t play unless there are injuries.
Get Rolle and then look at the MLB from Oakland.
may be true.
Not arguing against it…just saying, that given 2009…its not like signing all these FA’s means that 2010 will be golden.
It might put us over the top. It might not do anything
Master of the squeegee
very true but doing nothing will surely do nothing.
with the uncapped year they can undo last years mistakes. bye bye rock. bye bye cc not to mention bye bye danny boy. This is a chance to erase past mistakes and make some new ones or maybe get one right for a change.
I realize the skins go crazy every and lose and the steelers do nothing in fa and win. The Giants need to find a happy medium.
Plus Cardinals run a defense similar to greg williams
Risk taking! so the stats might not necessarily come from the skills of the defender but from the positioning… so dont jump to conclusions about Rolls stats, i live in phoenix and unfortunately have the luxury of seeing the cardinals coverage.
I just watched the interview they had with Peppers..
What a dope..thank God A) He can play football when he feels like it and B) We didn’t go after him..geezus..
He sounds like Forest Gump..without the chocolates on his lap…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Haha..Wilba..after hearing that interview I am convinced that..
If they put a number 92 jersey on the QB..Julious would never find the QB..anything above 20..He’ll never find them..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
LOL!!!..Well at least we now know he'll be able to afford all the shrimp he can eat...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Dansby
Both the NFL network and NFP are reporting that he is signing a 5 year $43 million contract – $22 million guaranteed.
Mickey C
I am torn between watching the NFL Network, ESPN..or
The Silence of the lambs movie..at least if I watch the movie I’ll see some people getting eat’in up..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
A few tidbits..
That organization used to charge players for socks, lock the vending machines when the players left and would mail you your gamecheck, minus postage of course..
Bob Glauber tweets
“After losing Dansby and trading Boldin, have to believe Cardinals working hard to re-sign Rolle. Why else the holdup on a Giants’ deal?”
$37 Mil, $15 guaranted
So says Schlefer (sp) and RV from the Daily News
Be nice to finish this and move on to LB and DL. Gotta think that they draft another safety but maybe they have more flexibility now.
if he chooses 30. our safetys are gana be AREA 51. or is dat disrespect?
by old man strahan on Mar 5, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions
I’m glad we won’t be reaching for a safety in the draft. Now lets hope we don’t end up reaching for a MLB.
Earl Thomas would be a steal at 15
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
this is good for that reason
Rolle may not be the best safety in the NFL. But he does fill the hole and pretty effectively. Now we can go into the draft with one less NEED. and we can focus on getting the best players without worrying about them needing to make an instant impact.
Syler i hear what your sayin… but we had our hopes on this guy so JR took care of business. Is he worth that if the whole RFA thing didn’t happen? probably not. But this year there just aren’t that many guys to go get without giving up something in return. better to give up money than picks
15 is all he gets
If he doesn’t play well we get 2yrs and cut our losses, its better then what we have and atleast they are showing everyone they are serious about this year…
The Fact that Dansby is the TED linebacker and not the MIKE in Miami’s 3-4, meaning shitty crowder(who i know and he is a pot head thug) is the MIKE that alone should put to rest Dansby being a MLB in a 4-3… btw Miami having Crowder at Mike means they could still want McClain come draft day, BPA?
All's Well that Fewell
Maybe
But Miami has a lot of other needs as well
NT and WR especially
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sharper is better and will be a shit load cheaper
Plus Vacchiano says this will be our only significant move of the offseason, which scares me greatly
Vacchiano
Dont be scared he doesn’t know everything, Significant by big name maybe but I’m sure he doesn’t consider Morrison a big name either… Sharper is 6yrs older and he is 34 not sure giving him a 5 year contract at any price would be smart.
All's Well that Fewell
Syler, forget the years
You know that is meaningless in the NFL. The contracts aren’t guaranteed, so guys can get cut any time. The only guaranteed part of this deal is the $15M.
Why terrible
$15M guaranteed. That’s just the price of doing business these days and trying to get better. You would be screaming to high heaven if they didn’t do anything.
Don't worry, Ed
The first time Rolle misses a coverage assignment or gets burned, they’ll all be saying he sucks and was a waste of money. Don’t try to be rational, it doesn’t seem to work on here.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
He gets only $15M if we cut him tomorrow.
He also has a base salary that we will pay because he won’t be cut in the next 2 years and other various incentive based clauses and roster bonuses that he will earn even if he plays bad.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 6, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
GAINTS
they need to act a little faster or they will loose all the good guys i think they dont want to get better so i hope no one buys tickets and the loose there shirt 2010 so they have to lay off more people and cant pay there players
if they act any faster
they could get some FA’s in before FA even starts.
That would be tampering…but hey! Who cares!
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Told you guys..they didn't invite him for biscuits and gravy...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hey Bradshaw.......what do we do w/ our #1 now that we got Rolle?
gotta get a LB now right?………..
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 5, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions
darnell dockett says
“I’d take a paycut to keep antrell rolle #21!!! I don’t know if it would help much but I will!!—→ iiiii WAAAAANNNNAAA WiiiiiiiiiiNNNN!!!!”"
I Just got done watching Mcclain's highlight reel
not impressive at all, a couple plays he was actually slow jogging in the direction of the running back,DURING THE PLAY, at his press conference i thought i was at a funeral service,oh, on one clip he actually mentioned he leads by what he does, If taking plays off is your idea of leading its no wonder parcells passed
Keep rollein, rollein..
Welcome to NYG Football Mr, Rolle.
I’m all for this addition. We just signed a great athlete. I think Rolle may be the highest draft pick we have ever had in the secondary. Can someone confirm? He went 8th overall.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 6, 2010 1:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He is the highest we have had in the 2ndary........by far
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 6, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm psyched!!
Playing safety for the New York Giants: 2 first round picks from the U. How can you go wrong?
Let’s go Blue!!
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 6, 2010 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What next?
I so tired of speculating, I feel like my heads going to blow! but this is a good pick up especially with all the tough TE’s we have in our division. Also we what makes this all beautiful is that we have the FEWELL to like this fire! Coach Fewell is probably having wet dreams about what to do with this defense, hes mad other defense great but hes never had this much talent and versatility! Go giants
someone said it earlier
moss for morrison, then trade down for a late first and another second or third
Wait, did you say MOSS for Morrison?...Bro we'll be lucky to get 7th round pick and a used jock strap for Moss.
Let alone a young, productive LB
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 6, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily when Al Davis is involved.
I also think he takes Taylor Mays in the draft. That dude has Al Davis written all over him.
I wish morrison was a young productive LB
more like mediocre LB that whiffs on tackles, is terrible in coverage and has inflated stats because he plays on a terrible team
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 6, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Getting Morrison would be great...
but I doubt even Dead Davis would do that deal. Moss has no trade value, zero. Yeah he’s fast, so he projects as a Raider, and I think you could toss him in as PART of a deal, but to trade a sub-wide receiver who hasn’t ever established himself as an NFL player for a five-year starting middle linebacker…..don’t see it, though I’d be happy if Weird Al did.
i've missed some fireworks tonight!
OK, Rolle is a done deal. next on the table – MLB. since dansby is off the table, the next best option is Kirk Morrison. Overrated or not, he’s surrounded by a lot more talent here than in Oak. and can hide his shortcomings with what boley, sintim, tuck and osi will do. Next best option, Ryans. Actually the better player but a higher pricetag.
A dark horse that no one is talking about is D’qwell Jackson of Cleveland. He’s unhappy in Clev., and they may look to move him if that’s the case. he’s young too, 26 or 27 i believe.
We shore that up, i say we bow out of the rest of FA and get ready for the draft. Unless there’s a decent kicker or punter floating around that i don’t know about.
Welcome to NY Rollex….
ALL ABOARD ON THAT ONE
Kirk Morrison would definately fill the role giving us room to experiment with the DB core. A new type of Athlete. a freek perhaps, The safety known as the Hybrid……… The fastest and Hardest Hitting DB entering the draft,………. (The Three Time) FIRST— ALL PAC 10 TEAM member………. The Cubic Yardage Space eating LIGHTNING ROD the likes we’ve never seeeeeeeen………….. Taylor Mays, … hehe GO BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm on board with Mays if ET is gone.
So he is raw. So he lacks cover skills. But what he does do is provide bone jarring hits. I’d love him to play in the MLB position in a nickle/dime. He reminds me of Ronnie Lott.
I’m probably on an island on this one on BBV.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 6, 2010 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
also bone jarring missed tackles
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 6, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I believe JR will wait for the smoke to clear before dealing in RFA's
Alot of teams have tendered players they have no intention of keeping this year because of the intricacies in the uncapped year rules. They can hold on to them as insurance or trade bait and drop them with no financial commitment afterwards.
I’m pretty sure Reese wants to see who shakes loose after all the wheeling and dealing has subsided. We could possibly end up getting a Morrison type without giving up a high draft pick. JR likes his picks, as he should. If you don’t hold on to draft picks your team can get old before you know it.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Someone mentioned kickers earlier..
I’d like to see us draft “Zoltan the Warrior”..He can kick it a mile, then at 238lbs and then follow its vapor trail and deliver punishment.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
rolando mcclain
those fans who are in love, and hoping the giants draft this guy really need to youtube him. I didn’t know much about him, so I youtube’d his highlights. What I saw was a complete joke. The guy made arm tackle after arm tackle after arm tackle. That may work in college, but in the pros? I don’t think so. Also, I didn’t see one shoulder lowered, crushing hit. Not ONE! This guy was the biggest pile jumper I’ve ever seen in my life. Please don’t let the giants draft him, he’ll be right up there with the biggest busts ever.
Love what happened with Tolle.
We got the guy we wanted to address our greatest need.
Man I hate all the doomsayers
We shored up our safety position, quit worrying about money, its an uncapped year.
Quit worrying about money?
Yeah what happens when they hammer out a new CBA w/ a cap and teams have to scramble to fit underneath the cap…….you gotta be prepared for the future…….cant go out and spend like you name is Glen Sather…
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 6, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Rolle!
Hey guys it’s been awhile for me since my wife just had a baby but BBV has kept me up to date, thanks Ed for this site. My wife was having contractions and pushing and I was on my smartphone checking out BBV. I’ve got a little bit of time and I’m sure there will be a big thread on Rolle but I have to say I like the move. He’s a coverage saftey first which is the Giants biggest need. He’s in his prime. Our new D-Coordinator is great with DB’s. After last years FA busts managment is not afraid to still take risks is FA. With no cap you can’t say the Giants overpaid for him. The Giants have a legitimet safetey on the roster and most importantly for the fans that are paying PSL’s the Giants are making efforts to build a great team and adjusting to the new NFL.
Landeta
Somehow, I think you have more to worry about than Giants FAs. Like where you will be sleeping. I think you are in probably in the wife’s doghouse.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 6, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
LOL!
Earlier in the week I was. Don’t worry she did’nt see me checking my phone during labor. The baby slept very good last night so we’re all in a good mood so she does’nt mind me blogging a bit.
Congratulations Landetta..I have to laugh at you!!!
If your wife did see you checking your phone while she was in labor, she would have thrown everything in the room at you !!…and the names she would’ve called you would have been heard throughout the hospital ..Seriously, congrats..Give us the details Baby Girl right?..How big?…and if she is sleeping good at night already, it won’t be very long before you have two women chewing you out..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Thanks Bobbi
she was 8 pounds 8 ounces a big one. she sleeps ok some days she’s real fussy and cranky at other times she’s very pleasant. She’s not sleeping through the night yet still pretty young needs to feed every 3 hours or so she wakes up a lot. I’m pretty tired but starting to get used to he crazy hours. I already have two women busting my balls!
We are very happy for you..
The address you sent me is still the same right?..We just wanted to wait until everything came out alright (geezus that didn’t sound good…lol)..Anyway let me know..bob_dolson@yahoo.com..We have somethings to send for your baby.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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