Antrel Rolle? Yes or no
by Ed Valentine on Mar 5, 2010 7:12 AM EST
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By now all you night owls are probably already aware of the reports that free-agent safety Antrel Rolle is apparently visiting our New York Giants today.
Also, looks like you can forget about Karlos Dansby (Miami), Julius Peppers (Chicago), Aaron Kampman (Seattle) and Chester Taylor (Chicago). They all apparently will shortly have new addresses that are not in New Jersey.
So, what do you think? If General Manager Jerry Reese and the Maras can get Rolle's name on a contract this afternoon would you be happy with that? The number being floated on the Inter-Google is around $8 million annually for Rolle.
By the way, I have to mention this. Terrific trade by the Jets to land Antonio Cromartie. The way the game is now you must have quality cornerbacks, and with Cromartie and Darrelle Revis the Jets have an embarrassment of riches at the position.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com. Follow Big Blue View on Twitter.)
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Eh, I don’t know about that. They thought the same thing last year when they traded for Lito Sheppard. Eagles fans knew better. And I think this time around the Charger fans know better as well.
^EAGLES FAN!!
AAHHHHH.
Everyone get your garlic necklaces on! Get out your pooper scoopers! Hide under your desks!
OH NO!
Master of the squeegee
C'mon, Free!
‘Dawk has been around here long enough for everyone to know he’s an Eagles fan — and we still like him. He made a good, even-handed observation about the Jets. No need for that.
Dawk
I think his ability to take the jokes is was makes him so likeable. Props to Dawk I think the Cromartie trade will be more trouble then its worth…
All's Well that Fewell
yeah even I like Dawk
and I like Eagles fans like a hole in the head. Hey, we gotta be nice, so, maybe, we’re just slinging whipped cream pies instead of rocks eh?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 5, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, no worries Ed. Bradshaw’s my boy – However, we may throw snowballs at Santa and batteries at JD Drew, but in fairness, at least 80% of us are potty trained.
I agree with you re:Cromartie
I read a bunch of negative stuff on him
Also, how often does a team let a true cover CB leave, let alone a 25 year old one
On the other side, unless he is damaged, its unlikely they find someone better in 3rd round
Also, how often does a team let a true cover CB leave, let alone a 25 year old one
I think the more interesting question regarding his age is… How does a 25 year old have 7 kids with 6 different women?
lots of free time?
lifetime supply of defective condoms?
the key
is the 6 different women. I had my first 2 kids 4 months apart. It gets a lot of funny looks when people ask how old your kids are and you say 4, 4, and 2
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 5, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
As a FYI:
And it’s a third rounder in 2011, not this year.
by Great Gatsby on Mar 5, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Is it me
Or does bringing a guy like Cromartie to New York City seem like an accident waiting to happen. Not for nothing but NYC has a lot more night life and women than San Diego, Cromartie managed to impregnate 5 diffrent women and have 7 kids, in a 5 year span. I am a little bit afraid of what kind of trouble he might find in New York.
by Late for Dinner on Mar 5, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Sems
I spend a lot of time out in the LA area, San Diego is a nice town, but it does not compare to NY at all. LA is about a 2 hour drive from San Diego while I am sure he makes it up there, it’s still 2 hours away, versue 15 min. to NYC. Just saying there is a lot of trouble to find here and bringing a player that has a track record like his here might not be the best idea.
by Late for Dinner on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I expect a population increase within the Tri-State area then!
Unless the Jets have a conditional vasectomy upon his signing?!
LMAO
Let’s hope he learned his lesson, NY family court is no laughing matter they will be on Cromartie like stink on Sh!#@
by Late for Dinner on Mar 5, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
How about
bigmyc – was he banned yesterday?
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
It certainly
caused a stir and I learnt a few new expressions before they were all removed!
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
80%?
You re being too generous. Looking forward to the annual QB contro in philly, Dawk. This year should be even better than most.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 5, 2010 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just asking...
With your username, I would guess you weren’t pleased with the Iggles letting Dawk get away? They could have used him, that is why I am not hung up on a Sharper’s age (34) for example, and he is younger than Dawk…
Yeah, he was my favorite player of all time, any sport. Dawkins proved he could still play last year – He had a good season with the Broncos. And with Sharper, you have a guy coming off a 9 INT season (I think). There are some positions in which age is an absolute killer, like RB for example – Just look at some of the RB’s hitting free agency this year… Brian Westbrook, LT, Thomas Jones. It’s crazy – If this were 2007, imagine those guys on the market. But safety may be one of those positions in which you can still be highly effective into your mid-30’s, and there a ton of examples you can point to, not just Dawkins or Sharper.
Always...
I always have had a great deal of respect for him, but about that hit on Ike Hiliard years ago that ended his season…
Screw Dawk!
not you dawk, the real Dawk. he was always one of the enemy i respected til he took that cheap shot to Ike Hilliard that cost him the season. Now Dawkins can go break his back, real talk.
sorry bye, dawk. wouldn’t feel that way if your man wasn’t a dirty player.
Calm down...
Yes it was late, but this is football…Doesn’t mean overall you lose respect for a player, especially when you know in your heart, you would like to have that type of
leader on your team…The Giants had a lot of stupid late hits last year, for example
(and with that defense, couldn’ really afford to give up an extra 15 yards).
Well at the time
Ike was at the top of my favorites list. so to watch him drag himself off the field for what was clearly, a cheap shot after the whistle, no i don’t think i’ll ever calm down about that.
And if i can’t lose respect for a player for that, then what can i lose respect for? Should we not lose respect for ho-zell adams for his cheap shots? i mean, a cheap shot is a cheap shot, there’s no defending that.
it's not like it was one time.
The helmet-to-helmet spear is Dawkins’ trademark move, and a few years back I saw him deliver helmet to helmet LATE hits on Kevin Boss and Adrian Peterson in the playoffs… Peterson was tackled with 2 guys on his back, fully down and Dawk speared his head. What a POS.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a few names...
In most recent times, Rodney Harrison
Yesteryear= Jack Tatum, George Atkinson (played together).
and how can we forget Mel Blount, yeah they had a rule change for him.
It’s not like there are a bunch of angels out there playing this game.
Dawkins not in the same league with them, I can assure you.
I'd totally disagree he's a dirty player.
SI puts out that “dirtiest player” poll every year, and Dawkins never sniffs it, which says something for a guy that has had so many huge hits in his career.
That said, I agree the Ike Hilliard hit was bad, but I’m not about to label him as dirty for one bad hit in a 14-year career.
all it takes is one
- 1 ounce of weed sold makes you a drug dealer.
- 1 kiddie touched makes you a pedophile
- 1 body makes you a murderer
and eventually we work our way down to dawk. tell me bye, what was his intention on that clearly late hit?
So
Does that Rock I smoked last night make me an addict??? It was just to keep me awak for the start of free agency I swear it!
All's Well that Fewell
Dawkins is a borderline guy, not a dirty guy
Unlike Andre Waters who was well known for cheap shots (especially knee shots) Dawkins hits are clean.
What he does that Eagles have done for years is hit thru the whistle. If REFS let you do it, you do it.
And it isn’t just Eagles, other teams do this as well (every team does it somewhat). League would be better off if they told REFS to tighten up that enforcement than trying to regulate all the other contact.
You can’t blame Dawkins for taking advantage
Didn’t one of the Jets safeties damn near kill Anquan Boldin?
Didn’t LT snap Theisman’s leg in half?
..c’mon, Dawkins may have had a dirty play…but he’s a little bit of a nutjob on the field (kinda like LT..minus the cocaine, I think).
I’d take a Brian Dawkins on my team in a second. Cuz chances are, if he layed out hits like that playing on my team…I’d cheer (initially at least…)
Master of the squeegee
the safety that hit boldin
hit him during a play. his trajectory was aimed at boldin’s chest til the other safety redirected his head from behind. that was totally an accident, and made from snap to whistle, not after.
LT snapped Theisman’s leg, again, in between snap and whistle, and not after. and he immediately frantically motioned trainers to get on the field and help the man, because he didn’t go on the field that day and say i hope i snap a leg today.
B. Dawk did nothing of the sort. it was cold, it was calculated, and it made me lose respect instantly for one of 2 Eagle players i could stand at the time.
your comparing the proverbial apples to oranges.
After that Theisman hit LT was useless for the remainder of the game.
He couldn’t get his head back in that game after that happened..I remember him frantically waving for help..then watched him with his hands on him helmut shaking his head.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
excuse..me 'his hands on his helmet'
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
i'm going off of memory here
but the way i remember it is that it was either a play blown dead or a clearly overthrown ball. the whistle was blown, ike pulled up as did the rest of the teams, and BOOM! here comes this punk ass launching himself at an defenseless player. so he wasn’t playing through any whistle, it was clearly play over.
i liken it to boxing when the bell rings ending the round and the boxer clearly knowing the round is over, takes that second after cheap shot that he always defends himself by saying he was already throwing the punch when the bell rung.
what’s worse is there was no penalty or fine for what he did. inexcuseable. you can’t beat us so you cheap shot us. what a jerk.
what’s worse is there was no penalty or fine for what he did.
My point, if the NFL lets it happen, and they do, how do you blame the player
It was wrong, but its the leagues job to police behavior and the players job to play right up to the limit. Re-direct your anger at the NFL. They talk concussions and then produce an annual film highlighting hits sure to turn a mans brain to jello.
Worse things then being dirty
Like not paying child support for 7 kids, or beating women, or DUI and killing a man or cold blooded murder of innocent dogs, 200+ pounds of pot, god this list goes on and on… I think Dawkins has kept his nose pretty clean other then breaking Ike in half(Did he not drink milk as a kid??) so in fairness he isn’t a bad guy.. SAY GOODNIGHT TO THE BAD GUY!!
All's Well that Fewell
heres a memory jog for anyone who still wants to defend the enemy
http://www.cbssports.com/print/nfl/story/5842198
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/giants/2002-10-29-hilliard_x.htm
just 2 stories that may make you rethink your passive attitude towards this clown. he was penalized and fined, so i was wrong on that, but it was uncalled for in a game where men are in a fraternity, and should never do that to one another.
i can’t find any video of it. its probably so disgusting the NFL dispersed its lawyers to have every copy destroyed….
Dawk you've seen the play!
stop acting like this is brand new to you. even your boy was remorseful about it. $50,000 leaving your bankbook will make that happen.
i just hope that KP doesn’t decide to lay out desean jack or j. mac one day, ending his season. i don’t think you guys over there would be so willy nilly about it after all….
I’ve already said I remember it as being a bad hit.
But the way you’re carrying on about it, it’s as if Dawkins kidnapped Hilliard, locked him in the basement for weeks, and beat him unmercifully every day.
I always had the impression that Hilliard disappeared for quite some time.
…maybe?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think Dawk
Locked him in the basement for something other then beating… hmmmmm
All's Well that Fewell
anyway....
it is what it is, but if i had to make a new sig, it would be:
Bye, Dawk :)) you’re number 1(guess what finger i’m holding up?)
THE HIT
3:07 into the vide… not much of it but you get to see it, I think i hate Dawk more for all the DAMN good plays he has made against us…. heres the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9nzd5BJlRo&feature=related
All's Well that Fewell
good find gobs
its too quick here, i’d love just a replay of the game where they can slow it down…anyway, if you watch the ball, forget the hit, but watch the ball….it was on its second bounce when dawkins finally made contact with ike. Second bounce! and he wasn’t suspended for that? how deader can a play be?
When Dawkins hit Ike that was a diffrent NFL
Taglibue was the comish and players got away with a lot more back than. Yes that was a cheap hit, and as a Giant fan I can’t Stand Dawkins, however if he was on the Giants I have a feeling I would love him, Let’s all be glad the Eagles were stupid enough not to resign him and he is now on the Broncos and we probably won’t see him again!
by Late for Dinner on Mar 5, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
you should've shown the pic
2 seconds later when him and shockey were on the ground and shockey was holding the ball up showing him “i still got it” and laughing in his fu*king face!
…or any pic from the game the following week when the Giants pissed away an enormous lead in their playoff loss in San Fran.
Now now
we have had our fun let’s move onto another topic.
Rams want Feeley – does this put to bed all McNabb/Vick to the Rams stories.
It would be funny if the Eagles were stuck with all 3 QB’s and had to release one
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
its all good
bye dawk gets my respect because he is not cocky and arrogant, and pure evil, like most of his brethren. i’ve been worn down by my best friend who happens to root for the vomit green, so i’m accustomed now to the fanbase.
its all in fun. still was a dirty shot however.
W-Dre,
you are absolutely right. The pass was off by a good ten yards and he had gone into a jog when he was left defenseless. You shouldn’t be trying to injure people or end careers.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 5, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Not even...
Not even in the same league with a Rodney Harrison, guess I opened up
Pandora’s box a bit.
Bye, Dawk...
Didn’t you guys know that was Philadelphia Phil!
Anyway good call on the Lito Sheppard comment, it seems that cornerbacks can be very hot or cold, and if Cromartie was so good then he wouldn’t have gone for a 3rd round pick.
I think the Giants may be blowing it, is what I think.
Success costs.
Dansby is somebody they should have landed.
If they don’t hook Rolle, they announce they are not serious.
There is talk and there is action. The Giants still have to prove
that they are more than just talk.
This isn’t negativity. It’s observation. Which continues. We’ll see, won’t we.
The cost of the new stadium is a character within this scenario. Profits are all important.
So they will pay out only so much, and be more than willing to entertain another
crap season as long as it enables them to remain flush. To us it’s a passion. To ownership it’s that… but at the end of the day, it’s a corporation.
Z
after your forecast last year no one is looking at you as Mr Negative.
If you pay Rolle 8 mil what is KP worth if he returns to full health?
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
Here's the thing, Z
If Dansby really wants Miami, and the Dolphins are willing to spend more than the Giants, there is nothing the Giants can do about that.
Giants have never been the “blank check” Redskins, and I’m glad.
As for serious, if they weren’t serious Rolle would not be visiting today. There is a ton of competition for him.
Can’t just snap your fingers and say “you are now a Giant.” Still the player’s decision.
Dansby is such a logical fit in Miami
They have a huge need
They cleared plenty of $$
he's overrated around here
AZ clearly didn’t overrate him
overrated in the sense he’s the best LB on the market and will get $30 mill guaranteed.
He’s a Pro Bowl caliber player..but I don’t see him as any better then Michael Boley.
Master of the squeegee
yeah yeah
I think he’s better than Boley, but same class, and I still maintain that you have to give Sintim the opportunity this year
Giants 2nd rounders since Moss have been very successful year 2, and Sintim looked to be in that mold.
this this a million times this
No offense to a lot of you guys, but so many New Yorkers have that Yankees mindset of “I want this guy, he should be on my team, and if he’s not it’s the teams fault”
You’ve gotta remember that these free agents aren’t us – they didn’t grow up Giants fans. Miami is probably one of the two or three most desirable locations in the United States for rich professional athletes. Unless the Giants were gonna blow away the Dolphins offer, I don’t blame Dansby for not coming here. And I don’t blame the Giants for not blowing away the Dolphins order
2009 Did Not Happen
+1
i hear angry callers like zillag all the time on the FAN talking about how minaya isn’t doing his job, and cashman should’ve signed this guy, and reese and so on….there are more locales in the world than NY. the world doesn’t start and end with us. so people need to realize that b4 they come down so hard on a team. how do we know that we didn’t lay out the red carpet for a certain player?
baseball is pretty much a one on one game
Pitcher vs hitter (with occasional tough fielding)
Football is much more about chemistry and team work. I haven’t been a fan of getting Morrison, but if the DL returns a young tackling, faster guy might like awesome.
Just saying that few Football moves turn out as expected, easiest to predict are Pass Rusher/WR, because they are essentially one on one jobs.
I say yes.
he may not have had a good 2009, at least according to profootballfocus.com (which included the 2 defensive disaster playoff games and a Colts game…so take that for what its worth)
If JR’s doing it, it makes sense. Hopefully…Rolle (and the rest of the team) are/stay healty next year.
If they are all healthy, they probably don’t even need him…but with him, that’s even better (when was the last time the Giants had a “blue chip” safety?…Sam Garnes? Shaun Williams?)
And no…I don’t think this plays into the draft as much, should they sign him. I still wouldn’t mind a 2nd/3rd round safety.
Master of the squeegee
Different subject
I see the Lions have traded for Corey WIlliams provided he passes a medical.
I have a feeling that the Lions will go either Berry or Haden when they pick second as their secondary has stunk for several years now. You say improve the pass rush – but a CB like Haden will improve the secondary far more.
What do you think?
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
I still think the Lions draft the best player there.
Maybe its Berry (I doubt Haden…), maybe its a LT like Okung. I dunno how they could pass Suh or McCoy tho…Corey Williams doesn’t have the potential of those guys.
It was basically both I think for the Giants last year. There was no pass rush..so the QB sat back there for 7-8 seconds, you can’t cover anyone for that long..even Can’t Cover Brown has an excuse there.
But..the safeties stunk too…they could’ve made plays..but were incompetent a lot of the time.
Still…I think it was health in the front 4 that was the problem..not talent. That’s why I say best player available. They still have the talent of the 2008 team (plus Osi…then the 2009 FA additions to boot), they just had no injury luck.
Master of the squeegee
I agree
a healthy front four with the right scheme helps the whole defence.
That is why taking one of the OT if still available at 15 is too good an opportunity to pass as we may be back to picking in the 20’s etc from next year which would make getting an elite OT harder.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Okung impressed me at combine
Quietly a guy with super long arms demonstrated awesome stength (so he’ll have power and leverage)
The game film shows a fairly polished LT, and you never hear anything bad.
If I am Lions he is my guy. Stafford already suffered one separated shoulder, running for his life. You got your QB, now protect him. (Plus they brought in Burelson to play opposite CJ, so you have to protect Stafford)
the sad thing is..I’ve read that the Lions front office has repeatedly said Jeff Backus was a Pro Bowl caliber LT last year.
Take that for what its worth.
I think Okung is an excellent OL, I thought he was just an overachiever and not all that athletic..but the combine showed that he’s a hell of an athletic…and very strong (38 bench reps with his arm length is RIDICULOUS).
…I’ve always thought they should go with Okung..but I’m not sure.
Last year they went strictly BPA (which is why they chose Brandon Pettigrew over Michael Oher ), and I think McCoy/Suh/Berry are better prospects then Okung.
..I think Okung’s going to Washington
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think that the 3 guys you mention are better prospects
But drafting Pettigrew, Stafford, Johnson and signing Burelson
If they don’t get the LT, its all for naught
it is..
but go ask a Detroit fan..apparently its been said repeatedly that they like Jeff Sackus.
Apparently the concept of getting a future starter doesn’t parlay..
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
I would expect the Lions to take Suh if he is available. Reese has said it’s all about getting good players, so the Lions can’t really pass on the guy rated the best player in the draft. Apparently the Lions are also going hard after DE Kyle Vanden Bosch. If they get him, too, their front four would be pretty solid.
They have signed WR Nate Burleson to start opposite Calvin Johnson. With Williams, Burleson and hopefully Vanden Bosch in the fold, the Lions would be greatly improved and would have a great deal of flexibility in the draft; CB and OL remain big needs.
Mickey C
Vanden Bosch a Lion
According to NFP, the Lions have signed Vanden Bosch. So far (to me at least) they are the stars of the FA period.
Mickey C
And we have to play them next year
Imagine if its the first game in our new season …. against the Lions and we LOSE….. lol that would be fail
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Since it looks Like Dansby is going to the Fins, I say yes…I believe we will need him, they
are not going to sign him this early to sit behind M. Johnson. Next Up. a MLB in the draft.
Hey Free..
Want to read something funny, the Cowboys only tendered Marcus Spears the same as the
G-Men tendered our CC Brown 1.226 Mill. (Can’t Cover), that’s funny too! No clue why the
Jints tenderd Can’t Cover, but it does not hurt them in any way, bottom line.
I hope CC gets banished too...
but I can see the logic in it.
CC was never brought here to play significant time. As a part time player, a run stopper, I suppose he’s OK.
They’re just covering themselves just in case. Just retaining his rights…as the Giants have a right to do.
Master of the squeegee
Garnes and S. Williams were hardley "blue chip"
Above average at best……
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 5, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
meh…I think one of them made the pro bowl at one point.
..They were the best safety tandem the Giants have had in the past 10-15 years at least.
Not saying much…but I’ll take the 2009 version of them.
Master of the squeegee
neither one ever made the pro bowl....THAT i would have remembered
They were basically a tandem of 2 strong safeties……thats why we were so good at stopping the run but not so good at coverage……..but your right I will take them over the 09’ version for sure…..Although Williams did have that crushing hit on Jimmy Smits against Jacksonville that one year………
by giantsNYrangers on Mar 5, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
SHAUN WILLIAMS!!!!
That’s my boy!!! Best memory of him is when him and TO went at it in the playoff game in 2003
The draft will not lift this team as it is currently constituted --
— not immediately. 2010 draft is for 2011 and beyond, so forth and so on. This team wants results now? There are, were, free agents available, who could have, still can, give the team an immediate lift. Spend some money, Giants.
mornin sunshine
while I know you enjoy being (-) all the time…you know that 3/4 of the team was injured last year right?
Sometimes..when a man is playing as 1/2 a man…sometimes that can be mistaken for lack of talent.
They weren’t healthy last year..that I’m hoping most or all of us NYG fans know.
…also, spending doesn’t exactly do anything other then make the fans happy. And no…making the fans happy doesn’t make the team instantly better.
Master of the squeegee
Just like 2007 draft couldn't change that team
Even the pro personnel guys don’t know
It is an easy statement, because 31 teams don’t win a Super Bowl, so its easy to say my way or they will fail, because 97% of teams fail.
They were only 2 wins away from the playoffs, seems to me they would have plenty of ways to get 2 wins better
Don't agree with that
1st and 2nd rounders often make an impact in the modern NFL
We pick at 15 too so we will get a quality player….. The last defensive player drafted at 15 become a 2nd team All-Pro and defensive rookie of the year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
to rolle?
A big yes, we seriously need help in the secondary. and with this quality player, he"ll do just that. the question is where we going to put our first round bust aaron ross? hmmmm now thats a mistery. and as for the jets? wow they really rackin up, big kudos for them. now its the time to rack up as well, would like to see dansbey as a giant but i dont think thats going to happen. is it finalized yet?
Rolle
Not at 8 mil a year even if KP is not returning.
Crom – his play declined the last two years and was in the Chargers doghouse. Given all the paternity suits he is facing/accepted I am not sure New York is a sensible place for him to live.
That said if he returns to anything like 2007 play then the Jets would be tough to beat.
You have to admire the Jets they are being active on the trade front – our only trade of note in recent years was to ge Eli.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:23 AM EST reply actions
the reason Rolle is at $8 mill is cuz he basically made that in 2009.
As probably the best available FA safety..I dunno why he’d take a pay cut.
Master of the squeegee
What he
wants and what he gets will depend on how desparate GM’s are for his services.
Are we that desparate – possibly, but I think we can get better value in the draft.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
They gotta weigh a lot of things. JR’s a good enough judge of talent to know that Rolle is a good player..so I don’t think that’s a problem.
The money thing, how much do we want Rolle on the team? I don’t think they need to sign anyone else out there (tho a MLB like Morrison would be nice), so is Rolle the sole target? They’re bidding against other squads too.
Yes..they may get better values in the draft…that’s why I’d want them to still draft a safety.
Its always possible to cut ties with a player if he stinks anyway.
Master of the squeegee
Thing is
There is a lot of competition for him. Giants need to make some type of FA move, and I think they know it. If Rolle wants $8 million somebody is giving it to him. It’s his time to get paid, that’s just how the system works.
Ed
I agree – someone may well pay him that – but it is not a given that as he got 8 mil last year that he thinks he should get at least that this year.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Hi across the pond...
The thing is when FA starts at midnight, the first guys that visit teams usually sign right away, happens every year
I know
This uncapped year will work both ways – RFA’s are getting stuffed by the tender system whilst the UFA’s think money will grow on trees.
Our team could improve by just being healthly and with Fewell without throwing mega buck contracts like there is no tomorrow.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
Being healthy can go along way, especially the DL
But like Hoya said down below, i too, could care less at this point how much Rolle gets, just as long as he produces. Also, like alot of us thought awhile ago, it’s almost as if were starting over with our S’s and we cannot rely (only hope) that KP can bounce back.
Fewell
might be able to do more with less…
Funny thing is you look at the Eagles site, the Redskins site, the Cowboys site the…they all same the same thing that their safties stank – perhaps not as bad as ours but they still stank.
The Cardinals were torched in the playoffs – was it Rolle who was out of position on the Packers deep pass in OT that just fell incomplete.
The chances are he will not perform to the level of the contract which causes issues down the road.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
That playoff game was entertaining though
Nobody could stop anything! lol I suppose any deficiencies in our DB’s will probably be sewn up, regardless of who it is and how much they make.
I wouldn't look too far into those games...
the Packers D was one of the best in the NFL going into the playoffs..and they were just as bad.
The Cards O and the Packers O was just that good
Master of the squeegee
Oh, no doubt, i agree
The outcome of that game was probably meant to be by the records that were broke. One game doesn’t define a team or player. In JR we trust!
But the Cardinals
defence was poor last year – mind you we could not beat them and Rolle did pick off Eli
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
RFA’s are getting stuffed by the tender system...
Hey, but it actually helps the Giants this particular year, and hurts the so-called final eight teams (why don’t we call them the Elite 8), hey March Madness is coming up.
he was being paid as a CB, and a shut down at that
Check this page out for 2009 NFL salary info
You’ll see that salary around $4M is very high, they could go higher. Plus of course the bonuses.
100% yes
I would love to have him, I am not mad if we dont get him or anyone else in free agency but a MLB or S FA pickup would be KEY in setting up our Draft, Make it alot easier in the first round anyways.
All's Well that Fewell
Yes I guess
I think thought to pull the trigger and try not to over pay the ask. As Free says, he was already making that and he’s basically proven he earns it. He’s a solid player who gives a consistent effort from what I’ve seen (and I don’t see much Cards actually so that’s why I’m not 100% sold – even though I’m from the U).
I think Miami Dolphins really want Dansby. So we should try to fake interest in him too and force Miami to worry about that while we pick up Rolle. I think we would do better to pick up immediate stability for S via Rolle and build LB corps through draft. I think picking up a S through the draft would make our whole secondary more of a crapshoot where if we feel we have a good shot at McClain or next best, then we can develope the LB crew into something decent – building off last year’s beginnings of transition period. Ie, if we need Goff/Blackburn to start at first and maybe prove they can hold it down while a rook learns, that could be an option esp. if we’ve just solidified our def backfield. But if we only get a rook in the secondary, we remain very exposed.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Mar 5, 2010 7:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
JETS
They should of learned from us…
“New Jets CB Antonio Cromartie’s drivers license application has been withheld in San Diego after he twice failed to appear for traffic ticket cases and hasn’t paid $799 in fines.
Mayor Bloomberg is gonna love this guy. Cromartie is also scheduled to appear in a San Diego court late this month for overdue child support to one of the six mothers of his seven kids. It’s believed he owes at least $25,000, and has been named in five paternity suits over the last three years. His tickets were for running a red light and driving while on his cell phone." -Rotoworld
All's Well that Fewell
I’ve also heard the Jets are interesting in trading for Brandon Marshall. I dunno what they’re thinking……
The Patriots keep piling up picks..the Jets, if they get Marshall…giving away picks (that’s at least their 1st rounder…)
Master of the squeegee
The win now
get a vet to start now then a rokie who takes a while to get to speed.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
that works…if you have a rookie to develop.
Last year was Sanchez and Shonn Greene (suppose they ‘hit’ on those 2 picks..so they made em count).
they have no third rouder this year and now next year (could be a 2nd) and they’re rumored to be interested in Brandon Marshall, which probably means no first rounder again.
They’re gonna fall…hard and fast.
Master of the squeegee
I hope they do too
But to the fans they are being aggressive.
Mind you the same fans will turn against them if it does all go pear shaped.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
The jets don't need high picks.
‘cause when they have em, they draft the likes of Gholston.
Seriously though, I don’t agree with you Free. They have developed a great young core with revis, mangold, Greene etc. They can win real soon with a cpl of additions. That’s gotta be an attractive carrot for a team that hasn’t won for decades. Cro is a gigantic upgrade to Lito/Lowery and If they have a chance to add
Marshall, they should go for it.
Now if only we can find a way to mute out the jet fans…
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 5, 2010 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
who’s their safety?
Who’s their pass rusher? DE’s? NT? you know..the purpose of a 3-4? They have a RB…and no one to throw to.
They have zero depth (probably the biggest reason…) also.
They’re going for winning now..vs. winning long term with a franchise QB. They’re acting like they still have Farve, not a 22 year old QB.
Oh..we’ll mute out Jet fans..when this all backfires.
Master of the squeegee
FB....
Uh, they have one of the best NTs in the game… Kris Jenkins…
Agreed on the lack of pass rush and depth, but if they hold it together and Sanchez continues to develop, they’re a good team.
Put me down for that mute button on their fans though, gr8kicks.
im not gonna hate on the jets
theres a reason they had one of the top defenses overall last year.
actually the number one ranked defense.. in yards againstp/g.. and points against p/g
they can win now and with a strong head coach and good nucleus..i dont think crom or marshall will hurt the chemistry
Ryan and Tbaum has things rolling imo
I don’t think TO or even “make it rain” can hurt the jets chemistry next year. Gambling to win a ring now is a good move for that franchise.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 5, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Jets were going to draft a WR in the first round why not trade for Marshall instead? He is a great player, 25 years old and much better than a rookie WR could hope to be
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes..
Broncos gave him first round tender, Jets could use a big play guy, that holds on to the ball.
If somebody wants B. Edwards, it would actually be a smart move getting Marshall, cuz the Jets will get a 1st back, and a 3rd for Edwards.
Don't know?
But that is what he is tendered at, which means that’s what the Jets get.
BTW, that’s what it would cost the Giants last year to get him, thankfully they didn’t and there young receivers stepped up.
btw
That is worse then Burress, even the gun thingy… I have no respect for anyone who doesn’t take care of their kids… what a d!ck.
All's Well that Fewell
lol
I really wish I knew what this guy thought about at night before bed, thats just stupid. Specially at 25!! WTF
All's Well that Fewell
He ain’t even the worst..remember Travis Henry, he had twice that (think it was 13!).
Startin a friggin army!
Master of the squeegee
Wow..
Missed that one. 13, that means 12 players for a NBA game, and one doesn’t dress, lol!
He's thinking
I better get another HIV test,because I have unprotected sex all the time
You track that with your checkbook...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Are you
talking about Crom or his manhood!
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
he's well on his way
to being Travis Henry
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 5, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
I stiil think..
I still think Shawn Kemp of NBA lore has the record, and that “little” Meggett is close.
I digress at this moment, but what was the story wit Nate Robinson and the Knicks anyhow?
The other night in Detroit he put up 14 points in 15 minutes, and Weds. night at home,
hits 2 three pointers at end of 3rd, then another three pointer to start the 4th.
yes, and I might be puttin my Foote in my mouth but,
Should we pursue Larry. I still feel like we need a veteran presence in the middle than has seen the tricks of the NFL if we wanna compete this year. Otherwise I think we could be looking at 8-8 all over again
Rolle over Dansby: the more intelligent choice
Signing Rolle not only solidify or secondary considering we don’t know what Phillips is going to be and if hes good we have two excellent safeties. This also allows Dansby to go to Miami, which means Miami might not draft Mclain or atleast make it easier for us to get him while signing a cheaper linebacker as well.
I could really care less
How much they are willing to pay him.. it’s not my money. As long as the Giants overpay for players that produce, i don’t care. Anything is an upgrade over last year’s debacle. Rolle is a versatile player who will be able to cover half the field in cover two and drop down and cover receivers in nickel situations.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
The Thing about Rolle
He was a QB in high school. He can be effective playing as a wildcard option in the offense, and being a factor in the kick return game.
I think if we can get Rolle at a highly incentivezed with little guaranteed money this could work
Honestly
I don’t have a strong feeling either way.
truth be told
i prefer rolle to dansby, very much so, however, i think safety is much deeper in the draft
ive never been that big of a dansby fan, 3-4 ilb sure, but not in a 4-3, so if its one or the other, rolle all the way
We have a Bears signing
no not Peppers but the old TE Manumaluena.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 8:49 AM EST reply actions
Yes to Rolle and Dansby.
We need at least one of them so we won’t be stressed on draft day. Rolle appears the easier to get so that’s who we should focus on. It wouldn’t be good for us if we end up with neither.
It also matters
Because there might be a lockout next season which would cost teams a lot of money. ‘Free’ is correct If you go crazy, it just means that a year from now you have to be like the Redskins and cut a whole slew of guys you would rather keep.
i just find it funny
that we’re so gung ho to throw 40 mil at an above average player, but so wary in throwing 30 mil at a good to great player(dansby) in a more important position in the D.
I'd take Rolle
if I can’t get Dansby. MLB and safety are top needs. Buy one and draft another. BTW, with the skins cutting Betts, I think he would be a good fit.
too much money
I like Rolle, but not for that price. The Giants success has been building through the draft. I would rather keep the money and use it to resign our own guys – like we did with Webster. Kiwi is due money next year, Steve Smith at some point, etc.
Have we not learned from watching the Redskins? Or the Mets? The Mets have spent big money to sign “the best of what’s left out there”. There is already the possibility that Canty will be the Giants’ Oliver Perez.
This is a deep draft for safeties. We could easily draft two, one in the later rounds. And I’m still holding out hope that Rouse or Johnson can step up with a real FS behind them, whether that be Phillips or a high draft pick.
i'm going on record
as the first to say Kiwi will not be a Giant come next year, barring Osi being traded, re-injured, or God awful. Kiwi will probably command big bucks on the open market, and will want to start, a situation he won’t have here if osi is still here.
very possible
I believe Kiwi’s status also depends on the union contract. But there are a lot of roster spots to fill and you need to make choices. At $8 mil a year I believe Rolle would be the second-highest paid Giant after Eli. If KP comes back healthy, is that money worth it? I wonder if Carolina could have afforded to give Peppers his big deal last year if they were not burning cash for Delhomme?
They can franchise Kiwi if they had to, but he will be a FA only if we go back to a capped year anyway(which I don’t think is likely)
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Does this mean McClain falls to the #15 spot?
If the Fins are content with Dansby and based on his combine (which I don’t care about) does McClain fall to the Giants? Which combo would you rather have:
Sign Dansby and draft Earl Thomas?
or
Sign Rolle and draft McClain?
or who else?
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
Definitely Rolle and McClain…
I think the Dolphins are only part of the worry…the Broncos, Jaguars, Raiders (hey..they might lose Morrison..and not to the Giants either) Chiefs…maybe the Browns.
Master of the squeegee
I saw Miami as the most desperate for him
I’m just hoping he does fall.
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 5, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
true.
But the Chiefs have shown they’ll reach for a player..all the other teams could us a MLB.
If we really want McClain..we’re gonna have to pray that Denver doesn’t want him.
..maybe even the 49ers if they’re going BPA and want to pair him with Willis.
I just think that Dansby going to the Dolphins is more so…..McClain’s got a slimmer chance of going to Miami. Really, nothing else.
Master of the squeegee
Rolle
It’s not a bad pick up but for 8 mill… Thats two much… I heard he turned down a deal with the cards for 6yrs and a lilttle over 32 mill… I know the G-Men have money even though they pretend not to but where in a tuff position right now so it looks like they have no choice but if Kenny comes back healthy and we sign Rolle then were gonna look like a GENIUS… Then you could move Rolle to strong because in my opinion he’s a hitter but I have seen him make a couple of plays on the play… Also Kenny has GREAT RANGE 2 play free so I guess we’ll see how it goes…
Dansby
Report that Cards are still after him – I guess they did not want to pay Franchise money for him.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions
Rolle was a corner, correct?
He sort of reminds me of Ross. I was never big on the idea of Ross playing safety but they seem to be very similar players. If our coaches feel they can find better value elsewhere then good. Trust the men in charge.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Mar 5, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions
If the Giants are hot after Rolle, what does that mean for Kenny Phillips? Don’t they play the same position?
we use 2 safeties
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
That was the original plan for '09!
Not quite what happened though. Can a team get flagged for only having 9 participants on D?! lol
Considering KP's condition and prognosis
We have to cover for that. Also, besides KP (when healthy, not a given) we need someone back there who can actually have some kind of range. Not so with our current personnel.
Today's game..
The way the NFL is now, safeties are interchangeable parts for the most part.
by Great Gatsby on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta get Rolle, but not at $8MM
Can’t see Jerry Reese paying the man that much, since he can be stingy (the good kind). But i hope we get him & hope Phillips stays healthy.
Rolle & McClain would be huge already. Let’s pray Phillips comes back full-time.
If we don’t get either of the two, trade down & draft Earl Thomas…oh well.
Go for Rolle
In a tough year for FAs, you have to pay the market rate to improve your team. If we sign him, and if Reese thinks the DT problem will be solved by current personnel, if healthy, how about trading for Demeco Ryans? We are all willing to give up a first for McClain. Why not a first and third for a proven player?
Mickey C
True
That is the market rate. And it’s an uncapped year. I don’t think us fans should be too worried about the Giants being frugal this year, the $$ either goes towards improving the team, or into their pockets.
first and third is a lot to give up for any player. and McClain could exceed Demeco Ryans, be cheaper, and play longer.
DT can be solved with current personell. This position was hit hard with injuries, but with Canty and Alford (any maybe Bernard) getting healthy they could pick up a late round project.
Yes to Rolle!
He’s a playmaker, and we are very thin at safety.
Rolle is quality and overpaying for a need is a fact of life in the FA market.
Fillinng a hole or two in the FA market gives us more flexibility to go for the best available athlete in the draft process. That can pay big dividends down the road. I say sign him.
HELL YES!
8 million a year is a lot, but maybe JR can bump it down a bit. Still gotta draft a safety if we do sign Rolle. How about Myron Rolle? BTW when is his draft profile?
Yes to rolle
im not saying he’s a savior..but to a position of need. and the giants going through this FA as if KP isnt coming backk at full strength.. then this is a must do move!
and if kp comes back well.. then we go from a weakest link position to a strong suit on the D
Signings
Vanden Bosch has joined the Lions and coupled with the trade for Corey Williams has me thinking that the Lions will not go DL with the second pick.
Pats and Eagles have made offers for Peppers but will Chicago with no draft picks to pay for show the most money!
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions
agreed.
Looks like its between Russ Okung and Eric Berry for the #2. If the Lions are smart..its Okung.
They’re the Lions, so its Berry.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I think
they will look to trade down if possible for a team that wants Clausen if Bradford goes first or a team wants Suh because Tampa would take him.
They could trade with Seattle at 6th and still get a good OT and pick up a second for their troubles.
by G Fan in England on Mar 5, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
could be.
Tho I still don’t think you can count out Suh. Corey Williams isn’t exactly a end all solution there.
The Lions D was atrocious last year. Sammie Lee Hill is basically their only good young DT, so I don’t think that even with Williams its open and shut no DT.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
and McCoy, for that matter
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, you can't count Suh out yet
I gandered at the Lions roster and Suh, Okung or Berry would be welcomed. Possibly though, the smart money WOULD, be on Okung and if the DT’s are deeper, get him in the 2nd etc.
It's the Lions, remember
Maybe they will go Dez Bryant on us too…Haha
by Great Gatsby on Mar 5, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
meh…
can’t wait to see the reaction when Dansby signs elsewhere.
The Doomsday reaction will be entertaining
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
There’s other options out there too of course.
Looking the options out there like Morrison and the glut of good prospects in the draft…I’m basically off the Dansby bandwagon.
Never really saw the point.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
If we get Morrison, I'd be fine without Dansby
But I am just not comfortable with starting a rookie at such an important position, especially when said rookie already has issues coming out about him.
I agree..he’d still be a rookie. But good DL play will help him.
Also…guys like Ryans and Morrison were rookies once. Starters, and good.
Also, its not like veterans are immune to growing pains in a new system.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well I hope they get Rolle..
and the Jets made a great choice in CroMartie…pretty boring night for our team…but the feeding frenzy has just started..The Chargers got rid of Jamal Williams..12 year vet but may be worth a peek..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
From Rotoworld
Miami is set, or will release Gibri Wilson. Hmm, a prelude of potentially signing Rolle?
Also, David Carr will visit SF
No...
Gibril has become that bad, two releases in two years now. Singletary already announnced that
the former # 1 pick Smith is his QB, so Carr must want to go back to his home state if he winds up out there.
by Great Gatsby on Mar 5, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
his numbers in Oakland weren't bad
actually, quite good. even in a down year in Miami he was second on the team in tackles.
he’s not a free safety, hes a strong, and they asked him to play free. plus he had 2 rookies starting at corner. that puts a lot of strain on a safety.
he’ll probably ask for too much money to come here, but i’d love to see big Gibril a Giant again.
Darren Sharper would be a great choice also..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
NFL Network: Rolle likely a Giant
Michael Lombardi says it’s 95% that Rolle will sign with the Giants. He was also not optimistic re Kenny Phillips’ full recovery.
Mickey C
Thats why it makes sense to get Rolle
Proceed like KP isn’t here, or won’t be up to speed! Protect ourselves against an unforseen situation of mounting injuries like in ’09.
Besides KP, is he not better than anyone else we have?
We may have to pay him (Rolle) a bit, but we absolutely have nothing when it comes to the ability to cover. Even though, under Fewell, everyone will be on the same learning curve of a new system. It’s the reality that CC is a S, Rouse is built more like a smallish LB, but Rolle is a CB, converted to a S. So what ails Rolle in his game, can probably be corrected by Fewell, a secondary guy! This also has no bearing on what the practice squad rookies can contribute.
What happens in Miami is CRITICAL to what the Gman do in FA and the DRAFT
We all know the giants need help at LB, S, and DT. Right now Rolle and Dansby are two athletes in play for both Miami and NYG and how that plays out affects everything the giants do in the offseason.
IF Miami locks up Dansby, they would likely pass on McClain if he falls to them. I’d imagine they would look to draft a S from there.
IF they get rolle and Dansby the giants hafta make a play at either morrison or move up in the draft (prolley to #10 to jump denver) and pray McClain is there. then look at S help in RD 2. This scenario is a worst case scenario for the Gmen and may be a reason they tendered CC.
If we get rolle and they get Dansby (looks likely) we could still make a play at morrison, move up in the draft (prolley would cost a 2nd round pick) to snag McClain, or we could sit tight in the draft and take a shot at a LB in rd 2 and look at DT in RD 1.
Thoughts?
soiunds like how im thinking
only one questoin… whats the deal with morrison.. i know al davis is cenile..but i wont let that be a credible reason why they only gave him a 3rd round tender… whats teh downside of him?
…goes to teh oakland blog to check
Honestly....idk
The Oakland blog looks puzzled as well. its such a low tender and it wouldnt cost much more to offer him a 2nd round tender….id imagine they are willing to let him go for a 3rd round pick.
Don't expect...
Don’t expect them to spend like last off-season, signed 3 defensive players last year,
at a hefty price, if they sign Rolle, you can just about forget Dansby or any relatively expensive free agent. I could live with Rolle and McClain, if he falls to #15. I know I mentioned this before, the 3 USC linebackers were drafted in the 1st round, all started, one a Pro Bowler.
I know TC doesn’t like to start rookies, but times have changed, so he needs to change with them (regarding personnel, not his own personality).
It doesn't look like the Giants are going to try to go after Dansby..
Obviously Rolle is visiting today and according to NFL Network that usually means they make a deal…Tonight at 7pm they are going to have a review of free agency details, so we’ll most likely have more to discuss here tonight from their perspective…But remember Reese said he was going to act as though KP won’t be ready to play 100%, but that doesn’t mean he won’t..With a ready to play KP and AR signing..our safety issues would be resolved..They also mentioned Cromarties off field issues, but they think ‘Sexy Rexy’ as they now call him could coach him back into form..Good luck, this is NY/Jersey we’re talking about..they also commented on that..If a player can get himself in trouble in the freaking desert which basically is what San Diego is , then NY will really feed their appetite for bonehead moves.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Its really not…
Miami might be the last line…but there’s plenty of teams in front of them that could select McClain. Actually..the Niners could select McClain too.
I’m sure Dolphins fans are just as skeptical of McClain falling to them as us wanting McClain to fall to the Giants.
What the Dolphins do basically crosses them off the list….maybe. They could still take him.
Master of the squeegee
CROMARTIE IS CRAP… idk why anyone would say he would make the Jets better.
Example 1: 
Example 2: 
Example 3: 
ARE YOU SERIOUS
your evaluation of cromartie consisted of 3 diff plays in the same game LMAO and you called him crap, just looks like he doesnt want to play for a team who doesnt like to pay people to me.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
u do relize this was a playoff game? if u think he was tanking it in a playoff game ,what does that say about him?
i hope thats not the case because i like this trade.and if thats the type of person he is ….well, the jets are fucked..
Just asking?
Don’t the Jets have a blog, half-joking.
its hilarious to you because you HATE the Jets!
besides, i’ve already seen those 3 GIFs, that poster is not original.
how is he crap?
that shows no talent flaws.. only mental lapses and desire…all aspects of which ryan can coach out of him.. they wasted a 3rd rounder (not a 2nd rounder yet) but hey.. if they bring him back to playing status of before…jets win in that trade
shyt..not me
ever heard of “you cant coach talent”
mental lapses can be erased as easily as being traded to another team.. look at zach randolph for Memphis.
thats wishful thinking on fixing mental lapses or more important disire.
what is zack doing this year that he hasnt done every year ?he is a stat guy .nothing more. never see dive for a ball ever.
it is wishful thinking
but its easy to fix. you think coaching a guy how to tackle is easier than getting a guy who can tackle his ass off but just doesnt want to? football is 80% mental.
imo, its worth a 3rd round pick
zach was just an example of him being on the knicks and doing shyt(b/c of his attitude) vs him being on a team with a will to play.
no my point, i would rather have a guy like zack thomas.under sized yet a ton of heart
cro has all talent and no heart. ill take zack…
he may do well in the jets press coverage i wish we made this move . fewell could have worked wonders with him at the saftey pos. 6-2 206
for a shit pick in next years shit draft.
Rhodes?
Anyone hear anything new about the possibility of the Jets releasing Rhodes? While Rolle is an upgrade, with Rhodes we’d be getting a potentially perennial top 5 Safety and we’d be buying him when his stock is as low as it’s ever going to get.
Well you can bet that if Rolle is visiting today, then Fewell must like him..and I
Still think Darren Sharper is worth looking at..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Man I watched Hurney and Fox get interviewed, and then Delhomme...
That was depressing…geezus I thought I got patched into a soap opera…I think he’d make a great back-up..and they are reporting that Carr is headed to SF for a visit..and we all know how Singletary acts..they didn’t invite Carr out there for a helping of biscuits and gravy..then again, maybe ‘ol Mike wants to just ’moon’ him..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I'm not sure on Rolle
He is a major improvement on Rouse / CC Brown but compared to the rest of the league he isn’t great player.
We would be paying him at least 8M per year, which is more than Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, and everyone else on the team other than Eli. Do we want to pay that much money for someone who was ranked 67th (!!) on PFF?
And if we take Earl Thomas and if KP21 is healthy then we might have a osi / kiwi type of situation where we have 3 players fighting for 2 spots. That could hamper the development of both Phillips and Thomas.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions
sigh……
It is NOT $8 million.
When you real 5yds $40 million…when is it ever $8 million per????
Master of the squeegee
Rolle is scheduled to visit the Giants today and is expected to make his final decision before the weekend is over. Remember, he’s already turned down a reported six-year, $38.6 million contract from Arizona and is believed to be seeking a contract worth $8 million per year.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/#ixzz0hLbsSin5
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
i'll be happy if we get him but we showed our hand too early
especially with Sharper and Atogwe still out there. plus a few decent options in the draft, it might have benefited us to slow play it a little.
If it really was $8 million per, guaranteed…the contract would be a whole lot more then 5yds $40mill.
Master of the squeegee
Are we signing him just to cut him?
If not then guaranteed isn’t the only important number. Guaranteed would be important only if we decided to cut him a year later.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you think the contract its 5yrs with 40 million guaranteed…your nuts (cuz that’s $8mill a year guaranteed).
Master of the squeegee
he’ll have the ability to get $8 mill per through incentives.
He won’t be guaranteed that.
Master of the squeegee
not only incentives
there are also roster bonuses and other nuances
Anyway its pointless to argue when we don’t know the details of the contract but regardless of that he will be overpayed for his services.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
15 million is guaranteed
According to Adam Schefter
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