Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
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As we continue our Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile series let's look at a player who could fill a very specific role for our New York Giants.
Stanford running back Toby Gerhart.
This is a player who probably won't be a star at the NFL level. He does not possess the speed or shiftiness for that. But, he does possess power, blocking ability, good size and good hands. He could be a very useful player in the right situation.
Let's take a closer look.
Toby Gerhart Scouting Reports
From SB Nation's Mocking The Draft.
Considering his upright running style and his disadvantage off the bat when it comes to NFL athleticism, teams will approach the All American’s draft status with caution. There is not doubt he has the ability to break tackles and gain yards after contact, two vital components to the running back position in the NFL, but his already damaged knee and lack of top tier athleticism will downgrade his stock. He will best be used in a system that allows him to carry the ball in certain situations rather then being depended upon to carry the ball every down. His intangibles are top notch and he is both a dedicated and accomplished two sport athlete that will enter the league as a guy that every coach wants on the field on way or another. He will get a shot as a tailback, but has the body and physicality to make the move to fullback in a pinch.
From National Football Post scouting guru Wes Bunting.
Gerhart possesses good vision and patience at the line of scrimmage and looks comfortable allowing his blocks to set up and then running to daylight. He's a better one-cut athlete than he's given credit for and has the ability to sidestep tackles in space and create after contact. He possesses some cutback ability at the line, and that, paired with his lower body power, is very tough to bring down on contact.
Gerhart does a great job picking up blitzing linebackers in the pass game and does a nice job as a blocker. He isn't a featured back at the next level, but he looks like a guy who can batter an opposing defense and work his way into a nice role as a No. 2 power back who has the ability to play on third down.
NFP's Matt Bowen also weighs in on Gerhart, a back he likes very much as a mid-round role player.
Gerhart is a downhill runner that does have an explosive enough first step to move through the hole and get to the second level on Sundays against NFL defenses. We tend to look past a guy like Gerhart due to the fact that he isn’t sexy and isn’t the type of NFL running back who can press the edge, plant and run past NFL defensive backs.
But, he is still a great pick in the middle rounds and could be the type of player that has staying power at the next level.
Although he wasn’t used prolifically at Stanford in terms of catching the ball out of the backfield, he does have the hands to get it done at the next level, along with the ability to pass protect — without a doubt the most challenging aspect of the NFL game for rookie backs.
Think of where he fits. Teams that utilize the downhill power game and teams that spend the first week of training camp perfecting the basic off-tackle running game — because that is how they move the ball. Can you see Gerhart coming downhill in the Lead Strong and the Lead Open? What about Seattle, San Diego or Pittsburgh? I could see him in any of these three backfields as a rookie.
I can, just as I can see him thriving in an offense where he plays a role that gives him five to 10 carries a game behind a No. 1 back.
Why Gerhart fits with the Giants
Because Brandon Jacobs is not going to be there forever, and may already be on the decline. Even with Jacobs, I can see Gerhart filling a few roles with the Giants. Short-yardage back. Third-down block, especially in a blocking capacity allowing Kevin Boss and Travis Beckum to run more routes. Maybe even becoming a replacement for Madison Hedgecock at fullback if he is able to add 10-15 pounds to his 6-foot-1, 235-pound frame.
Why the Giants should pass
If they are certain Jacobs has a few good seasons left, and if they are sure Andre Brown will be 100 percent then Gerhart really has no place to play. If not ... why not?
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Why not is right
Good attitude, tough runner, blocker, even a recieve out of the backfield. I could also see him useful in special teams blocking. I can’t help but think about Mike Allstot when i read about this guy, but I’m not going to jump the gun. I would love a guy like this on the Giants.
Wow Allstot, havent heard that guys name in a minute
we had a picture of him in my college weight room!! Old school
He was all the rave at the beginning of the college season
then he fell off. anyway, good player, not for us.
please explain how he fell off?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe the wrong word choice
his hype died down a little, how about that? i’m not a college guy, so i only catch what i can from what i hear on sports related shows.
i know where talking giants here, but i’m listening to the FAN right now and guess what? Jose Reyes is not healthy. still. un. be. lieva. ble.
Well..I'm not a Mets fan..so I can only LOL at Reyes
…still find it funny that people (Mets fans that is) wanted to put that dude in the same sentence as Jeet. Flat out…no. Never.
As for Toby…his hype actually was the opposite, it grew as the season went on. He should’ve won the Heisman actually for his last few games.
Look at what dude did at the end of the year
take into account the Oregon and Oklahoma games. Those 2 teams were 2 of the best in the country..very good defenses too. And he gashed them too.
He’s a TD machine too. Some guys have a nose for the EZ..some don’t. Toby does.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Why the Reyes hate?
i know there’s always this yankee/met rivalry which i don’t subscribe to, i actually root for the yankees too(GASP!) and i hear it all the time on the radio. its not funny that this kid is having constant health issues, not to us met fans anyway. You guys have 27 championships, and still worry about silly things fans say about there players? give me a break.
i wouldn’t get toby only because in my most optimistic fantasies(optimism means good Zilla) big boy and bradshaw will be free, and Andre Brown will have some success next year.
not hating...
just getting a good chuckle about it.
It wasn’t but a few years ago that Met fans were insisting Reyes is the best SS in NY.
That’s all.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
that's probably because a few years ago, he was
and he is 12 years younger than Jeter. Yea, Jeter had an awesome rebound year last year, but in ’07 and ’08 Reyes was better
2009 Did Not Happen
see!
I knew it!
LOL!
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
not to side track the discussion too far
but, from 2006-2008, Reyes hit .292/.355/.461 with 47 HR, 198 stolen bases, and if you’re into old school stats, 354 runs and 206 RBI. If you like new school stats, he was worth 16.6 WAR (5.5/year).
Over that same period, Jeter hit .322/.390/.448 with 37 homers, 60 stolen bases, 308 runs and 239 RBI. He was worth 13.6 WAR (4.5/year).
Jeter was better at getting on base, but Reyes had more power and stole way, way more bases. If you believe the advanced fielding metrics, Reyes was easily the better fielder over that period of time. Even if you don’t believe the advanced metrics, I think it’s hard to argue that a shortstop in his mid-30’s could be that much better defensively than the fastest player in baseball who has a cannon for an arm. At best, I’d say they’re a wash defensively, if Reyes wasn’t easily better.
Add it all together, and again, at best they were a wash from 2006-2008. And, speaking for myself, I don’t know that many Mets fans who were claiming Reyes was outright better than Jeter, but we were claiming that Reyes had a much brighter future than Jeter. We didn’t see his injury last year coming, nor did we see Jeter having one of the best years of his career last year, after two straight years of regression.
I will say this: Derek Jeter has obviously, clearly had a better career than Jose Reyes, and that will probably still be true 15 years from now. But that doesn’t mean that Mets fans didn’t have a legitimate argument about how awesome Reyes was from ‘06-’08.
Finally, one last point: I remember in the late 90’s and very early 2000’s Yankees fans used to claim Jorge Posada was better than Mike Piazza. That was obviously a ridiculous joke, but that doesn’t change the fact that Posada has had a very good career, and, b/c he was younger, had a brighter future ahead of him. I think the Reyes/Jeter comparison is pretty similar.
2009 Did Not Happen
free
why do you seem to have so much hate for the jets and mets?
everyone dont shoot me at once..but being a giants,yankee, knicks fan… if were out, i dont mind seeing production from the jets and mets… no so much the nets tho lol
grew up around a lot of annoying Jet and Met fans.
Also…was raised to enjoy them losing. I dunno why…just was.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
yeah i root for NY
except when i worked at Nassau Coliseum and i didn’t want the Islanders to do well….meant more work for me! hehehhehe
Mets fans grow up hating the Yankees cuz the win so much.
I hate the Mets cuz Mets fans hate the Yankees :)
its cyclical
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 5, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta agree with free
Tried watching jets and mets but it causes no emotion. Plus i went to a ton of shea stadium massacres in the nineties because tickets were cheaper than yankees. and still lame.
wouldnt him as competetion for hedgecock
would be nice to have a fullback that can actually catch the ball and run with it.. add that 15-20 LBS kid
Please Mets.. over .500 this year? Please??
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions
I like Toby.
He’s a tough bastard. Not my ideal RB pick, but should we fill some needs through FA..I think in the 3rd round he’d be a solid pick.
That 4.53 as well as the other quickness drills shows that he’s more then just a big lumbering back..and his athleticism is legit.
Smart dude too (Stanford..obviously). Very good baseball player too (if we get Toby and Chad Jones in the 2nd, it would make the Giants perennial contenders in the off season wiffle ball tournanment)
And..like you say Ed, he’s coordinated, he can catch. That’s good.
most def….a nice possibility.
Master of the squeegee
He's not really for us...
…but I would love love love to get him. He’s just one of those guys who makes a team better. Groom him to take over for Hedgecock, let him become the captain of special teams…if he’s there in the fourth, GRAB HIM, JERRY.
Meanwhile, back here on Earth…I’ll enjoy watching him in San Diego.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I'm also on the Toby bandwagon...
I like a running back who is as tough as he is fast. I can see Toby as an early 2nd, so I could see a trade up there.
Danz
I wouldn't mind them getting Toby Gerhart..that kid is a punisher.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Hampton?
I’ve never seen Toby play, but he sounds like a Rodney Hampton-type runner. Is that an accurate comparison? If so, he sounds good to me.
Yeah he does remind you of Hampton..Rodney was a little faster..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
What if we just sign
Thomas Jones? No one has picked him up yet right? They guy is a Vet, a leader, work out warrior, has taken minimal damage and would be a great second option.
Jones would be a good choice..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
strong possbility
I think this is a strong possibility of this happening
TD Machine
This guy is a mauler, very punishing runner. I must admit it would be tempting to have this guy in our backfield rotation. The Hampton comparison is interesting. I wonder though what the shelf life of an upright masher in the mold of BJ will be.
I Am Tobikan Judan
Well he's never been injured to my knowledge..but of course this is the NFL
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think Jake’s biggest problem is that he’s 6"4-6"5 265 lbs.
That takes a toll on your knees in itself. Toby may be more injury prone…maybe not.
I think Toby’s a better runner then he gets credit for.
The biggest reason I don’t like it is cuz I see Gilbride running pitch outs to him……
Master of the squeegee
Brandon Jacobs lite?
I think were better off going with a smaller faster shiftier healthier back.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 5, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions
Not a FB
This guy is not a FB or 3rd down back or an H back and definitely not someone that should be banished to special teams. He put up huge numbers against some of the best defenses in the nation even though they knew he was getting the ball; 135yd against OU who kept 8 in the box most of the game. This guy is a time-chewing, 20 carry a game RB. He’s had one injury and it was 4 years ago. He didn’t lose a single fumble this year and only dropped it 5 times out of over 300 carries. The ONLY reason that people don’t consider him as having the ability to tote the rock as a feature back is because he’s white.

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