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Yessssss!

Rolando McClain, the middle linebacker of many New York Giants fans dreams, said on Sirius Radio Tuesday that he will be in New York during April to visit with the team.

Does this mean the Giants will definitely draft McClain if he is available to them? No, but it has to be a good sign.

Not to stir up the C.J. Spiller stuff again, but here is an interesting line from Mike Garafolo last night talking about McClain and Spiller

Trust me, he's on their radar, as is Clemson running back C.J. Spiller. ProFootballTalk.com reported Monday they're hearing teams, including the Giants, are clamoring to move up for Spiller. It might be a bit early for that kind of talk, but I can tell you the team likes Spiller.

By the way, during the Sirius interview with Ralph Vacchiano and ex-NFL QB Jim Miller McClain said playing the 4-3 defense is a non-issue. His quote? "I know I can excel in either defense."

Star-divide

  • Coach Tom Coughlin attended the South Florida Pro Day. South Florida has nearly a half-dozen defensive players who might interest the Giants.
  • Houston Texans' fans are rejoicing today since middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans has signed a six-year deal with the team. So, anyone still fantasizing about the Giants swapping a couple of picks for the Pro Bowl linebacker can stop.
  • Led by Chris Mortenson and Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN talking heads discussed the Giants draft needs recently. They came to the stunning conclusion that the Giants should grab Rolando McClain if he is available. Geez, I sure am glad those guys make a boatload of cash to tell me things I already know.
  • The Giants were apparently one of 11 teams to attend a private workout Tuesday by former Rutgers offensive tackle Anthony Davis, a likely first-round selection in the upcoming draft.
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Definitely a round two

With a new sign up sheet. I logged on too late and missed out on a chance to join the fun and would like an opportunity to play GM..

by Giant4lyfe on Mar 31, 2010 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Well...

you can pick for me in Rd. 2 (Cleveland) if it is alright with Ed? Nothing personal Ed, but I didn’t think two rounds of this mock draft would take more time than March Madness….Ok with me

by Great Gatsby on Mar 31, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in favor of a second round as well....

That’s where we’ll start running into players we’re less familiar with, learn more about them, and get a better feel for the depth of this draft.

by Cranky50 on Mar 31, 2010 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Round 2

Ding! I don’t want to play GM but I have fun reading people that play GM on the internet’s columns.

Oh, go get CJ Spiller, JR…

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting on the Tony Davis stuff.

He seems like a likely one to fall to the Giants.

He’s got some major character concerns..but like Andre Smith last year he’s an elite talent. I really dunno how his attitude would mesh with Coughlin.

But obviously he was on their radar if they’re one of a few teams taking a gander at the pork chop.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Davis

It is one guy that isn’t being mentioned with us a whole lot, would not be suprised if we sit at 15 he is there and we take him. O-Line/D-Line is where it starts.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long

as TC is still steering the wheel, don’t see them taking anybody as in anybody with character issues. Been there, done that is their unofficial motto.

by Great Gatsby on Mar 31, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Bradshaw/Manningham

Huge character issues, they were kids just like Davis, character issues are a concern when they have the money already are married have kids and still go out clubbing all night and bring a gun to top it off. Or are named Pacman.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

the difference is those guys were 3rd and 7th round picks

and by all accounts…HAM was just dumb and got caught with weed (99% of the NFL just hasn’t got caught) and Bradshaw stole a playstation in college.

Davis’ problem is work ethic and laziness. I think those sorts of things may irk Coughlin more then what the others did.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

there is a difference also Bradshaw and Ham were not bad individuals at all, they were actually shy young guys who still had respect for others, they just made common mistakes im sure everyone on BBV has made themselves, Coughlin likes second chances, just look at plax and corey. The work ethic thing was never an issue with Ham and Shaw, thats something TC ( who has an army mentality will not tolerate).

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by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Because who hasn’t run from the Po-Po?

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly LMAO

And stole a few games in their day or took a ride in a suspicious car loaded with parafanalia, you know….every day life of an inner city youth LOL.

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by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Petty Larceny thats just sad whatever happen to Grand?? Everyone should get arrested once for underage drinking!

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

Grand Larceny is played out (like the phrase “played out”)LOL but im glad it wasnt grand larceny, that means you have real issues, petty larceny could be anything, a pen, some deodorant, games….that shouldnt even result in jail time.

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by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go ahead make me feel bad about myself

When your underage it doesn’t matter because that record gets sealed but damn real issues?? I was 17 and drunk and probably smoked something too… lol Kids will be kids grand or petty ya know?

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Coughlin will embrace it

molding Davis from a lazy kid to a talented professional

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 31, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Let’s hope he can light a fire under his rear… Think about it, I know from experience, Whatever AB got caught for is what it is but remember it’s what he didn’t get caught for that was probably worse… If we can get AB to be a professional we surely can get Davis to bust his rear and feed his family.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can dig it!

Lol

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by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw's

issues were as as a teen I believe, not at Marshall. Manningham’s issues were very minute,
there are different levels I believe, that’s what I really mean.

by Great Gatsby on Mar 31, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Bradshaw definitely stole a Playstation from a dorm room while he was on probabtion for something(who knows what its sealed) he did as a minor.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought Bradshaw's issues were minor ...

but it’s good to have these kids thinking that any issues may cost them big $ by where there are drafted. Small issues can lead to bigger ones down the road if unchecked.

by Shofner85 on Mar 31, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

AB

1. Bradshaw originally signed a letter of intent to Virginia and arrived in Charlottesville for football practice, but was kicked off the team by Al Groh before his first season started, after being arrested for underage drinking and running from police.1 He then enrolled at Marshall University.2

2. During his junior year, Bradshaw was sentenced to two years probation for petty larceny. He allegedly stole a PlayStation from another student’s dormitory room. Two years later in June 2008, he was sentenced to 60-days in Abingdon Regional Jail for violating probation for a sealed juvenile charge.9 Bradshaw cut a deal in which he was able to serve his time in the off-season. In 2008, he served 29 days and reported to training camp on time. On February 15, 2009, he surrendered himself to Virginia authorities in order to finish the final 31 days of his sentence.10

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having to

Serve 60 days in Jail is not minor my friend.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahaha..

subtle of you

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Mar 31, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for Insane McClain..

its usually been the case that the Giants don’t bring in their first round target for a workout.

Last year I remember they brought in Percey Harvin and Kenny Britt. At least it showed the position….but while Harvin was gone, they chose Nicks over Britt (good choice!)

Maybe they saw something they didn’t like in Britt? Maybe they’ll do the same with McClain?

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Has

McClain had off-field issues?

by Great Gatsby on Mar 31, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

No..

so yea, unlike Britt.

I’d think it would be something else then should they not like Ro.

What the hell it could possibly be who knows

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

hope not

That is a good point, but I gotta think/hope this isn’t a smokescreen. They’re bringing the guy in, they gotta be checking his 43 knowledge, and I’m sure he’s been studying and watching film, seems like that kinda worker.

Still worried about whether he will fall to 15 though. How likely do we think that is to happen?

by dannymac56 on Mar 31, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting passed...

Miami and/or Denver will be tough. Could even see a teams like the Steelers or Pats trading up, but that is an outside chance. I think it is a slim chance he falls to 15, but if he doesn’t, there are still other players of high value, that we need, at 15. Not the end of the world.

by CCE718 on Mar 31, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be surprised

To see the Pats move up, especially with ’Frisco, I doubt SF is going to keep both picks at 13 & 17. The Pats also have 3 second round picks. Get ready for the BB manuevering
show to commence.

by Great Gatsby on Mar 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the Pats going after McClain

as they have Jerod Mayo …

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Mar 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The pats LB corp really isnt that good..

Mayo is a beast but other than that Gary Guyton wasnt very impressive and Adalius Thomas is a bust. They will probably target LB but I dont see it so early

Also, when have the Patriots ever moved up during the draft? They’ll probably take those 3 2nd round picks this year and make them into like 6 next year.

I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise

by ItsaToomah on Mar 31, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where

did I mention McClain for the Pats?

by Great Gatsby on Apr 1, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The word on NFL LIVE has....

either Seattle or San Fran grabbing Spiller. That leaves Denver as the last team interested in McClain picking before the GIANTS.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jags

I’ve seen mocks planting McClain with the Jags.

by bigblue777 on Mar 31, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are just trying to be different

They have much bigger problems than MLB – pass rushers, QB, maybe even WR.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 31, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If McClain's on the board...

I’ve seen basically as many Jags fans clamoring for McClain, as there are Giants fans clamoring for him.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the gents look pretty serious about this kid

so, at least to me, it looks like Jerry would be willing to move up a few spots to get him. you dont send your whole front office to a kids pro day and invite him to come study film and work out at the stadium if your not pretty commited to getting someone. i can see them going to the 9 slot if he makes it that far.

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Mar 31, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the GIANTS ....

may need to trade with #10 (JACKSONVILLE) to secure a comfortable spot to pick McClin. Some mock drafts have Jacksonville picking Dez Bryant. Perhaps the GIANTS swap the picks and throw in another WR (Moss?) or one of last years picks (tho I personally wouldn’t want to-but Barsden or Nix-perhaps even Hixon) to sweeten the pot. Then we grab McClain at #10 and Dez Bryant could still be there at #15. TCstill has some vague connections at Jacksonville.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of last years picks?

No way we would ever part with Nicks, I know you said you wouldn’t want to but thats just silly our first from last year and this year for the 10th pick? No way.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicks + Barden are going nowhere

and Moss is worth the grime on the bottom of my shoe. I wouldnt want to, nor would I even suggest offering up Hakeem Nicks just to get McClain. That’s craziness!!

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Mar 31, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want Mcclain pretty badly

and im all for moving up to the 10 slot to get him but not at the cost of Nix or barden. at the very least Nix is going to be a star. Barden has the potential lets all hope he meets it. moss works for me.. get him off the team. hixon too.. i could deal him in a second.

its probly going to take mopre then a first round swap and moss/hixon to move up however. lets hope TCs hook ups in jacksonville cut him some slack and let him easily move up like mangini did for the jets last year.

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Mar 31, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not trade up for McClain.....

Much rather either trade that third rounder for Kirk Morrison, or draft a MLB with it.

And no one’s taking Sinorice Moss for anything other then a 12 pack of empty beer cans. He has no value, regardless of what the tender is.

Either keep #15, or trade back. Wait for McClain…or go a different route.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moss

I could see Moss in San Fran. He and Carr worked very good together

by RagingBattleAxe on Mar 31, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw in Moss?

That’s like saying throw in a few Top Ramens. Moss has no value. Barden is unproven. We are likely going to have to throw in our 2nd rounder and the 15th pick to get the 10th.

by wangstu13 on Mar 31, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

probably not worth it

all you hear is deep draft, deep draft… not the kind of year you want to put all your eggs in one basket

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Apr 1, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they wanna be certain before they trade up??

or maybe its to encourage some other team to take him and forget about another player so they fall to us. Reese is a calculated cold mofo with the draft sorta like belichick

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by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

thats what it looks like to me

that they want to be absolutly sure this is the guy before they do what they have to do to get him. get several extended looks before you offer a 3rd rounder or whatever to move up to get him.

i hope he falls to 15 but realisticly either miami or denver will take him. Im sure JR knows this and is plotting and planning accordingly

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Mar 31, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

Is it me or does JR ALWAYS get his guy?? he is a beast

Leader of the Price-McClain Campaign!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

They are the kings of mis direction, they brought in other safeties then chose KP who they never contacted. Even if Harvin was there, I think they had nicks in their sites all along, I wonder whho they really want this year because from past habits it wouldnt appear that it is Ro Mac.

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by Blue Gates on Mar 31, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

RV said

that they thought Britt had a 2nd round grade for them so they probably were more curious about using their 1st 2nd rounder on him.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 31, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the JR history

It looks like we probably wont be picking up Ro Mac in the first… To be honest I dont see him making it past Miami. I am however hoping someone other than us wants CJ so bad that we trade down in the first and get another 2nd or 3rd round pick. I’m on the Spoon train as far as LB’s but there are tons of good ones available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds… Thoughts on Joe Haden being a Giant?

by Giant4lyfe on Mar 31, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

If..

I had a choice, would take E. Thomas instead…Regarding Philiips, we are getting mixed messages all over the damn place, so if they go DB, I would go there.

by Great Gatsby on Mar 31, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Been pro-Thomas

I agree, Thomas has the ability to play S and CB. We send out a Nickel package, he can take the Nickel spot if needed. Plus, adds insurance in case Phillips’ injury does turn career threatening. Given the Giants’ silence on Thomas thus far, that could be the way they are looking. But, JR has to know that his bluffs (bringing in the guys for interviews, but not drafting them) can only last so long. He will have to draft one of the interviewees in the future to continue the smoke screen.

by CCE718 on Mar 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haden is a nice second option....

if you also plan on grabbing Weatherspoon, whom some feel, is a second-rounder. Not me tho…..I think he is a legitemate first-rounder. he was a Butkus award winner in 2008, and second to McClain this year in nearly evey voting category.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weahterspoon has never won the Butkus award.

He was a finalist in ’08 & ’09 along with McClain. McClain won the Butkus and the Jack Lambert awards for ’09. Aaron Curry won it in ’08.

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by sunlion333 on Mar 31, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Found that!!

I linked on the ESPN site and found Curry winning 2008, from Wake. Clearly states that ’Spoon was Finalist. 2 years a row.
Post in history.giants,com was erronneous, and just copied it. Mea Culpa

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It means nothing

Ross, Phillips, and Nicks didn’t visit the Giants before being picked by Reese. I suppose you could say that the Reese/Coughlin conglomerate has never picked this high in the draft before so they’re going the extra mile.

by GhostDini on Mar 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Smoke it till its all gone...*devin

If this isnt the biggest smoke screen ever…. i truly believe that reese and co are determined to get Ro McClain. And what other way would hlep that by choosing one of the fastest rising draft prospects in cj spiller as a smokescreen.

I mean, it IS believable that we could get spiller.. but in my eyes we have seen what type of success we can have with ab and bj back there. One sub par season i dont think would sway reese or coughlin to shoot for spiller in this draft. although he is a gamechanger, i just dont think that rb is as big a need for this giants team that is in a win now position

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Mar 31, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

"yesssssss"

Thats funny Ed. I was on the MetroNorth reading the paper this morning, and skipped to the sports section, and when I saw that article I said “yesssssss”… out loud too lol. The lady next to me just looked at me funny.

Let’s hope McClain didn’t impress Jacksonville or Miami!!!!!!! My wishful thinking won’t stop till 4/22/10!

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Mar 31, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

My Take

It doesn’t seem that Reese and co bother to bring in a player if they know it is who they want. Their top pick in recent history has been someone that they could feel confident in just from game tape, pro days etc. If they bring a player in it means one of two things either it is a smoke screen or they have doubts/questions about the player. If it’s the former this time around McClain won’t be a Giant. If it is the later he could still be. My guess is they see McClain as an immense talent, but have questions about whether he’ll “fit” with Fewell’s system. I would assume there isn’t enough in game tape (since he played 34) or what he did at the combine/pro day to make them confident he fits. If he comes in and clears out any doubts he could be the target, if there are any doubts left probably not.

by bigblue777 on Mar 31, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't try too hard to read anything into the visit

I know that the lack of solid information(as well as the launch of smokescreen season) leaves us scrambling to glean something from the vacuum, but this really is a unique situation.

We want to look at 3 years of JR’s stewardship and draw conclusions, but that frame of time is grossly inadequate to really detect a pattern. We have not been in the top half of the draft in Reese’s time at the helm and the last time we were we pulled off a huge trade to get a player we really wanted in Eli. Reese was on the staff then and nothing makes us believe that he didn’t learn alot from his mentor(or inherit bad habits).

Simply put, there is no “rule” to apply here as this is uncharted waters for JR. Maybe we will learn something new about our beloved GM. We can rest assured that whatever he does, it will be in the best interest of the NY Football Giants.

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by sunlion333 on Mar 31, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair points

I’m just saying if you know without a doubt that a player is who you want to target there is no need to bring him in. Reese isn’t the type to tip his hand for no reason which is why I think possibly smoke screen, but more likely wanting to answer the question if McClain can be a Mike in Fewell’s system (whatever that system will be). If he tests out to play as well as a 43 Mike as you have projected here previously then this very well could be the year that Reese bucks the trend of no visit for the pick.

by bigblue777 on Mar 31, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think it's just doing due diligence if you are considering moving up to grab him.

But I don’t want to read anything into something that lacks the basis to be a trend.

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by sunlion333 on Mar 31, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Ed, that "Stop Joint Pain" banner ad ...

on the home page is reminding me about KP, and bummin’ me out.

by Shofner85 on Mar 31, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

you are correct i put that up there

Free Plax

Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?

by Plaxico Burress on Mar 31, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller.

If he’s there, the Giants should take him. I’ve had a hunch for some time now that management see the running game to be a much worse situation than the fans do. They do not have a starting back on the roster at present. For all of the progress the O made with the WR’s, the lack of a running game due to no true starter and an aging O line, will set that progress back. The giants need an Rb as badly as they need help at LB and DB. These days the league is all about high powered, efficient offense. Giants take Spiller if he’s there.
Sorry Mcclain fans.

by ZILLAG on Mar 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

you speak the truth Zill..

yet, while I’d like Spiller…or even Ryan Matthews as apparently may get a new wave of chatter going for the Gints.

..the realitiy is, that if McClain’s there..that’s gotta be the pick.

There’s plenty of RB’s in the 2 and beyond rounds that could help. They ain’t as good as Spiller..

Thing is, there’s no MLB as good as McClain in this class..that’s why he’s gotta be the no brainer.

If the Giants come away with McClain and Jahvid Best in the 2nd…well…I’d have to call the cops on Jerry Reese, that’s just robbery.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they add Spiller

they still won’t have a starting back on the roster

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 31, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB Ryan Mathews at 15

Doug Farrar who writes for Yahoo’s ‘Shutdown Corner’ has The Giants taking Ryan Mathews in his 1st rd mock. He has both McClain, Spiller and Thomas gone before 15, but Derrick Morgan and Sean Weatherspoon still on the board. I think thats the first Mock I’ve seen Mathews going to the Giants, and the first mock I’ve seen him go that early in the draft. Wouldn’t Mathews be a bit of a reach at 15? I think Morgan would be taken at 15 before Mathews. Or if they really wanted him they’d at least try to trade back before the Chargers pick. I honestly don’t think he has a chance of going to the Giants though…Thoughts?

I know…way off topic…But the name McClain and Spiller have been on my screen too damn much in the past couple of days!

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Mar 31, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That's an interesting one...

I wouldn’t put him on my list..then again, I wouldn’t hate it. No, he’s not a “reach” at all.

Depends on what you want. He’s more of a downhill runner, but he’s got breakaway speed too. I’d look at him as very similar to the Panthers 2 RB’s, Williams and Stewart.

If they are dead set on solidifying that RB spot (and last year..even for all the bitching about a WR, I think Knowshon Moreno was very high on their radar)….

Similar to this year, most won’t be satiated unless they get a LB.

If JR’s got him #1 on his list..I’d hope he could give a rats ass what the fans think. Matthews is a hell of a talent and if he’s #1…he fits.

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's good

Wouldn’t bother me a bit if thats our pick.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

by gobs56 on Mar 31, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at highlights of him

He does remind me of Jonathan Stewart. He’s physical but also has the breakaway speed just like u said. I mean I can’t say I’ve watched him in games or seen tape of him but he seems to be a talented and well rounded back. I also think the Giants staff are a bit more worried about our RB situation then they are letting on. So who knows…#21 in Blue?

Just gimme some playmakers

by I_Formation27 on Mar 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, even if JR feels he is #1 on his list ...

you have to be aware of where everyone else seems to value him – late first round, maybe beginning of second.

If he’s your guy, trade down 10 spots and get another pick AND your guy.

by Shofner85 on Mar 31, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen Matthews gone as far as #7 overall to the Browns

More then a few times to the Texans at #21, and Farrar isn’t the first one to have Matthews to the Giants.

No one knows who’s a reach and who’s not.

Depending on the board…Matthews could be perfectly fine value at #15

Get HWSNBN...and they will come

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the most complete RB in the draft though

But I would think we could move down to get him.

by wangstu13 on Mar 31, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I saw the Shutdown corner one compared with the Pro Football Weekly mock

and the moron gave the Giants Jermaine Gresham.

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compare Players

We all saw the question asked about McClain and Weatherspoon, and who you would take if both were available. It would be nice to see the same thing done for McClain and Spiller. Personally, I think if both are available, you have to take McClain. We are much deeper at RB then we are at MLB. The fact that the G-Men resigned Danny “DJ” Ware to a one year contract, may be more enlightening then previously thought.

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by RobDomaine on Mar 31, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats also a good point

McClain and Weatherspoon are still the top 2 LB’s in this years draft. One OR the other (in my opinion) needs to play for the NYG’s this season. Most GIANTS fans feel that the G-Men need Defensive help. Even Free knows we can find a good-to better RB in the later rounds. If we miss on one of these 2 LB’s there is a serious drop off in abilities of the next leading LB candidates. Which is NOT to say that those guys suck, but….

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone, aside from Zillag above

would or ever did consider Spiller over McClain.

I dunno what to make of the DJ Ware signing…cuz when you look at the fact they tendered players like Sinorice Moss and CC Brown…its shows that basically its a retaining the rights to the player sort of thing.

Maybe its more then that? Who knows.

Either way..the fact all 4 RB’s last year were as banged up as they were, and RB’s like Jacobs rarely get better.

If McClain’s off the board..Spiller’s set as my #2 option.

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course then if both Spiller and McClain are off the board...

that’s where it gets cloudy.

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd still think he's in there

his versatility would be nice too. Then again….like McClain and Spiller, kinda seems that mocks have him going before 15 too.

I’d choose him over Weatherspoon at least if both are on the board.

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, a lot of the RFA tenders ...

could be with the idea of giving them one more chance in camp before cutting them. I don’t believe any of the RFA tender money is necessarily guaranteed. If so, it’s just keeping options open.

by Shofner85 on Mar 31, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I think Brandon Jacobs is going to surprise a lot of people. I will take the one-two punch of Jacobs and Bradshaw over 85% percent of the RB tandems in the NFL right now. I am also excited to see what that Andre Brown kid can do. I hear raving reviews about him prior to his unfortunate injury. DC Perry Fewell will get a first round toy to play with in camp IMO.

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by RobDomaine on Mar 31, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Definately agree with this....

and ABrown was a stand-out in college, but that gets passed over.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andre Brown @ NC State

Scored 22 TD’s with a 4.85 avg on 523 attempts and 2359 yards.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

how is that a standout?

Over 4 years that was.

So while you gave an average on yards per carry…what that is is 130 carries/year and 590yards/year.

Also…he had that Achilles injury. If he didn’t and was good last year, all the RB talk is irrelevant.

A RB coming back from that is a huge questionmark.

…..that’s why that gets “passed over”

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

See below...19 games...still not bad #'s

a 4.85 per carry? Thats not a good avg.? And his 3rd year was an injury? Check his college numbers. I mean its not like NC Sate was ripping up anybodys Top 20 over those years, esp compared to the other programs in the ACC.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a Fourth rounder....

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

19 games

in 4 years. And its not like he was inactive his freshman years.

The play about 11 games a year, so that means he played in 19 out of 44 games. That means he’s injury prone.

4.85 yds a carry’s great.

For a 4th rounder, he’s nice. Real nice addition. Loved it at the time actually, I was beating the drum last year for the Giants to draft him…actually.

I dunno how the hell you can disregard his Achilles injury tho. And the fact he was injury prone in college.

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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

More Andre Brown

6’ 0" and 228 lbs. Limited in his 3rd year. Throw in 70 college carrer receptions for 731 yds,( a little over 10/yds per touch avg.) and he NEVER fumbled the ball. In 4 years!! All that in 19 Total games at NC State. Impressive enough for me.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Even more...

So if you take his rushing yards/career and divide by the number of games (19) thats 124.15 per game, and 38.47 pergame/recieving. Seems like that is fairly active, and an intergal part of NC States offense over the time that he PLAYED. Additionally, this was AFTER Phillip Rivers played for them. And they changed head coaches. What I am NOt saying is that the program was GREAT or even STELLAR, as they barely finished above .500 in two of the years he was there. All I’m saying is that HE was good, WHEN he PLAYED.

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by superstarzchef on Mar 31, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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