Free Agency Preview: More defensive players to consider
by Ed Valentine on Mar 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST
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With the start of free agency just a couple of days away we have spent some time this week discussing players who might be able to help our defensively needy New York Giants. We have already looked at middle linebackers and safeties.
Today, let's look at other defensive players who could be of help to Perry Fewell's defense in 2010. I am going to give you five names to consider. I have no inside information, I'm just tossing out names of players who might be appealing to the Giants. Use Walter Football for a complete list of available free agents.
- Aaron Kampman (DE) -- Kampman, 30, is a pas-rush specialist who was a misfit in Green Bay's 3-4 defense last season when the Packers tried to play him at outside linebacker. He played just 9 games in 2009 due to a torn ACL. I have seen Kampman's name connected to the Giants in various reports, some more credible than others. A Kampman signing would likely be bad news for Osi Umenyiora's future in New York.
- Julius Peppers (DE) -- He is a big name and a big talent. But, the soon-to-be former Carolina Panther is also a huge headache. As with Kampman, a Peppers signing would probably mean the end in New York for Umenyiora. Me? This is a guy I want nothing to do with. Difference-maker, yes, but doesn't play hard all the time. Think he is going to play hard EVER once he caches in his big payday?
- Dunta Robinson (CB) -- I find this very unlikely, but I have seen some of you talk about Robinson. So, I put his name on the list. He is unrestricted, just 28 and has a reputation as a very good cover corner. I'm not so sure, though. Pro Football Focus ranked Robinson 98th among corners in 2009 with a -11.7 rating. The guy had no interceptions. In 2008, PFF ranked him 66th at -4.0. From what I read, he is a guy looking for big money. Seems like he might not deserve it. Besides which, cornerback does not seem like a spot where the Giants would spend big this off-season.
- Rod Hood (CB) -- A journeyman defensive back who is still just 28. I mention Hood because I know that when he left Philadelphia a few years back the Giants had interest in him. He would be an upgrade as a nickel corner over Kevin Dockery, and probably Bruce Johnson.
- Cato June (LB) -- Released by the Bears, June, 30, is another guy the Giants had interest in a couple of seasons ago. I honestly don't know how much June has left, but he does have a lot of experience in a Cover 2 type scheme, and he could at least provide some outside linebacker competition.
To me, Kampman is the really intriguing name to watch on this list. I have no idea if he is a guy the Giants really would make a run at, but it would be an interesting development.
'Boomer & Carton' this morning predicted a huge Giants offer for Peppers. I will believe it when I see it.
Any available guys I have not mentioned that you might like to see the Giants pursue?
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I don't like the Peppers move...too much money for a money hungry player
He’s basically Albert Haynesworth. Would he help? Probably.
I’d rather go Kampman if we’re signing a pass rusher anyway. Kampman is basically Tollefson except good…which is good.
I agree, if the Giants really are getting Kampman..it could spell curtains for Osi..for better or worse (I think Kampman’s a better player then Osi..but he had that whole injury in 2009 thing)
I wonder if the Jets really will cut Kerry Rhodes? He might be the ideal option if we’re talking about UFA safeties (if he’s cut of course)
Master of the squeegee
No Peppers
I also want absolutely nothing to do with Peppers and find Kampman to be an intriguing option. Are the Jets really considering cutting Rhodes, and if so, why? He is a good safety, from what I have seen. Kampman is the only one I would want off the list above.
FB you probably think that even Vernon Gholston is better than Umenyiora
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 3, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just trying to get into the conversation and add my observations
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 3, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
that’s an observation?
Kampman has more career sacks then Osi. He’s been more consistent the past 4 years at DE. Kampman, healty, is better then Osi.
Maybe check a stat before bringing any POS football player in the coverstation like Gholston.
Master of the squeegee
Yes, its on observation that according to you almost any player is better than Umenyiora
And Osi was hurt 2 of the last 4 years so obviously Kampman is going to have more sacks.
Kampman is older and just as bad against the run. And he is coming off the same kind of injury that Umenyiora had last year. So are we going to wait until 2011 until his leg is fine to make a SB push?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
oh oh OSI!!!
yes if we sign a DE, we will definetly be getting rid of Osi being as tho he is probably our highest paid defensive player and all tho he was productive he disappears too much (check our playoff run in 07). I dont see us signing or drafting a top DE even if we get rid of Osi, Kiwi is a rd.1 DE who plays unselfish as you can tell by last yrs sack #’s but he is just fine starting if osi leaves i cant see the Giants moving him up n dwn and him complying all to turn around and bring in another DE to take his job……peppers is too expensive and the others are not better than a full time Kiwi as well as sintim who can play RE with no problems in a situational role.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Small improvement
Kampman or Osi – if we dump Osi and add Kampman that is a small improvement I guess. I see them as essentially pretty equal – pass rushers weak against the run. Can Kampman defend the run better than I think he can?
No to Peppers. BIG no.
Yes to Rhodes.
Agree with Ed – the rest are non-starters.
How much is Osi worth?
With either of these guys potentially signing, it would mean an Osi trade right? Well I have seen different values for what they could get for him, but what is the latest? A one? A two? More multiple pics?
I think Peppers or Kampman would be an upgrade over Osi but at what cost? This article has them offering $100 mil for 7 years!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/355659-100-million-dollar-peppers
That’s an awful lot of money to be paying for a DE up to age 37.
If they sign Peppers..I think Osi’s gone.
I think he could fetch a 1st, but likely with a DE signing like Kampman Peppers, teams will call the Giants’ bluff and say they “need to trade him anyway”.
A 2nd is more likely. A high second, such as the Rams or Bucs (Bucs have 2 2nd rounders..so that’s a good bet)
And contracts are not guaranteed..so Peppers is not gonna be on the team most likely when he’s 37.
He’ll get guaranteed dough of course tho…but taht will be made in the first couple years.
Master of the squeegee
I assumed they would work the contract that way, it just sounds rediculous giving a 30 y/o a 7 year contract.
So would you keep the picks or use them to get a RFA?
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe. I’d always rather keep the picks.
If they could work out a deal that doesn’t involve a 1st rounder, then yea go for it.
or maybe they could do something with the Bucs involving Osi for Barrett Ruud? Like straight up or maybe the Giants throw in a 3rd or something (basically equivalent to giving up a 1st and 3rd for Ruud)
Master of the squeegee
If pass rushing DEs weren't in such high demand
I’d agree more with the lowball scenario
All it takes is 2 teams that want Osi to pump up the price
exactly.
I think they could get either Ruud straight up or demand a pick..like a 4th as well.
Pass rushers are always in demand
Master of the squeegee
I'd swap Osi for Ruud
Normally I wouldn’t, but MLB is a need, and Ruud is a good fit and we pick up 2 years in age difference
I’d rather swap Osi for Ryans
OK.
Either or, no problem
…but I think Ruud is a better player, better in coverage. But either is OK by me
Master of the squeegee
getting someone to waive
the R from one of these RFA’s could just be our best use of Osi. It would open things up a little if we could trade him to… hmmmm maybe say the raiders for Nmandi. Al wouldn’t even know he was getting a raw deal
2nd & a 5th
no ones giving up a 1st rounder for osi, a questionable run stopper coming off knee surgery who has shown that he is a bit of a diva ( that attitude doesnt fly at DE). i see a 2nd and a 5th as the asking price and i dnt see too many takers even at that point.
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Why is that??!!
I know the Giants like pass rushers and so do the fans but why does everyone act like KIWI doesnt exist like the guy wasnt the hardest player on the line last year….. i see talk of morgan in the 1st round!! really?? and kampman and peppers?? really?? is that not a waste of money when you have an athletic run/pass DE already?? am i in the twilight zone?? if Osi goes does that not mean they want him to start why would they bring in an expensive DE when kiwi is there?? do we not have other big money needs??
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If Osi is traded
Then I could definitely believe we could take a DE in the 1st or get FA otherwise no way.
Derrick Morgan
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by I_Formation27 on Mar 5, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Is there such a thing as having too many talented players on a team?
Specifically at the DE position. “Experts” claim he’s the best DE in the draft. Not to mention, Tuck and Kiwi are 27. They are going to need replacements sometime. Why not groom this 21 year old to rotate in and eventually take over the lead role?
The Giants tend to use the draft to build for the future, not fill their immediate needs.
I doubt Morgan will be there at 15, but I would not be upset to see the G-men take him.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh ok
I see your point but it just seems as if that would be sensless in round 1 and kiwi and tuck still have alot left in the tank not to mention another contract in both their careers, i just dont see why we spend all that money on an already expensive DE rotation. also TUCk was a bit of a surprise for the Gmen, kiwi was who they thought would be replacing strahan. i think they just looked at tuck as excellent value in the 3rd round and he just took the job. i definetly would have a problem with morgan in the first but i see why u love the kid. i just think we have other positions warranting a 1st rounder. just me i see tho!!!
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Nooooo
but there is a such thing as too many good/ high priced players at one position plus i dnt think the potential gets maximized
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Beauty of guys like Tuck and Morgan is they are versatile
Kiwi, Osi really play one way, and they are very very good at it
Some DL can do it all. I project Morgan that way. I wouldn’t cry a river if he wasn’t drafted by Giants, and I could easily see the Giants using him as a DT as a rookie.
I would
That kid is not ready to play DT on 1st and 2nd dwn against NFL O linemen, if they want a DT i think they will just draft one who plays DT, morgan would be a cool luxury pick if we won the superbowl or werent 8-8 but we have needs and DE is not one of the top ones.
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The key to playing DT in NFL is more technique than anything else
That and motor. Morgan plays at high intensity all the time, he has played inside in college, and he has a rep as a guy that will do anything for the team.
And if they used him only as a pass rushing DT, that still would get him on the field and contributing in an aspect that haunted them all last season, getting off the field on 3d down.
Price? Who cares about the contracts?
Osi or Kiwi will be gone soon, they will both most likely not be resigned (I think both are up in 2011).
I’m 100% sure the Giants like to have their pass rushers. So would they rather draft a rookie in the 2011 offseason, or not care if they gave up Osi or Kiwi in 2011 because they have a 2nd year DE ready to take over?
This isn’t about 2010…
Master of the squeegee
I wish I had your crystal ball
That prediction is a long way off.
I'm all for ass covering
except at Hooters
But 2011 is a long way off, you take Morgan because you think that he is going to make the team better, easiest way to make a defense better is with better DE’s/DT’s
I never worry about an abundance of good defensive players, they are much easier to use.
Obviously they won't lose both Osi and Kiwi in 2011.
Its much more likely that both are kept than both leave the team
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 3, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think that anyone that is sure of where Osi and Kiwi will play in 2011
Could get some good odds in Vegas
My opinion
The Giants arent your typical team they love and keep their players through rough times. I think they fully intend on resigning KIWI, dnt see why not. Osi is gone eventually your right but i think they are aiming for another sleeper in round 3 or 4. i dont think, as a matter of fact i know they are not targeting a pure DE in round 1….and the owners and everyone in management care about contracts thats who! of course you dont your not paying anyone but just cause its uncapped does not mean they r going to give money away lol
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You know?
I don’t claim to know what my wife, my kids, or my co-workers are thinking. How are you so sure that you know what the Giants front office is thinking? Are you actually Jerry Reese?
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
No not actually JR
But he seems to have common sense, why does everyone think DE’s mean superbowl, we only won it once with that formula and we will never duplicate strahans intagibles which is what really put us over the top..
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Because Fewell wants to run a defensive scheme where the DL are relied upon to get pressure on the QB.
You’re right, Strahan was special and probably can’t replace that. But, by having 3-4 excelent DE’s that takes pressure off the rest of the line as well as the LB’s => makes the team better.
I just don’t think they should ignore upgrading DE if given the opportunity. Whether that is in FA or with the 1st pick.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I might agree with your argument if we were talking about QB’s. But there are 2 DE’s on the field and the Giants were most successful when they had a strong rotation going.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
CB's
Ed, do you know who’s more likely to get the 2nd starting corner spot between Ross and Thomas? Ross pretty much had that spot locked down before his injury, but after TT’s 09’ season I find it hard to believe that they won’t start him opposite Webster next season. We basically have 3 starting caliber CB’s, is that why many ppl think that Ross will move to Safety full-time? How likely is this scenario?
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Is that really a question?
Terrell Thomas is now considered one of the best up and coming young corners in the league, and ranked near the top in all the statistical categories in 2009. It’s his job. There is no competition, even though Ross might think there is. He’s the third corner/safety. Ross, basically, was terrible in 2008 and did nothing in 2009. Thomas is the starter.
If Ross starts anywhere, assuming everyone is healthy, it would be at safety.
Ryan Clark?
Why am i not hearing Ryan Clark mentioned as potential replacement at safety. Decent player with some playmaking abilities. Certainly more bang for your buck than someone like Rolle. imho
Oh God No!!!
i said that and Free almost killed me lol, but i love the back n forth with him still, he has his views but he knows what he is talking about for the most part lol……………….Clark had 90 tckles and 3 picks would be an excellent and cheap pick up to me.
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I’m not going there.
90 tackles 3 INT’s don’t tell me anything.
The fact the Steelers D was basically a more mediocre version of the Giants sans Polamalu tells me another.
Clark is crap sans Polamalu…basically.
Master of the squeegee
Plus he can’t play in Denver if the Giants go back there.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
more mediocre meaning more towards mediocre. The Steelers were more average then the Giants…I guess does that help?
Giants were more towards worse in the entire NFL.
Master of the squeegee
I was thinking that when something is rotten in the fridge it stinks
At that point degree of stink doesn’t matter
Its partly why i am not panicky about Defense going into next year
That has no merrit to it
the steelers D suffered in alot of areas not just coverage the pass rushing and run stopping was dwn, so i guess the whole team is crap without Troy and by the way i said he would be a great addition not the end all be all. LMAO
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No merit?
The defense was elite with Polamalu in there…average without Polamalu. So yea..one player meaning Troy P really puts them over the top.
Of course there were injuries..but even with Troy back there this season, the defense was that much better even with guys like Aaron Smith injured.
Clark sucks.
Master of the squeegee
Well
If you take the best player off any team do they not suffer?? you dnt lose perennial all pros and just keep it movin like its nothing!!
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I see a slightly better version of CC Brown with Ryan Clark.
Steelers fans hate Clark just the same way Texans fans hated Brown.
Master of the squeegee
clark is far better than cc brown lets not kid ourselves. i saw ever game that both teams played and there is no comparison.
Clark is a NFL player cuz of Polamalu.
He is a hard hitter..but he can’t cover brown for his live.
Far better? I don’t think so. Better, yes.
He’s not what the Giants need to be looking at.
Master of the squeegee
WOW
Steelers fans hate him?? really never heard that till now…..oh by the what do the coaches think of him???
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So..do we, as Giants fans..know what the coaches think?
I know Giants fans hate CC. Steelers fans don’t care for Clark (I know plenty of Steelers fans)
Master of the squeegee
Yes we do
A good indication of what a coach thinks is playing time, clarke got plenty of that from a head coach who was an excellent D coordinator not to mention their actual D coordinator loves him but what do they know.
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goddamn free it sounds to me like you want the giants to go out and get the next ronnie lott for a relplacement.
You mean like
James Butler and gibril wilson when we won the superbowl…..LMAO dnt let on bad season let you jump the gun free
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Im DONEEEEE!!
did you just say clarke isnt as good as james Butler and gibril wilson. cool, i gotta bridge you might be interested in buying if thats the case……lol sorry ED, couldnt help my self. love you too Free.
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okay free, you win lol
Intelligent, hard hitter, nose for the ball…… with KP or any other cover safety he would be fine and he is not as horrible as you think in coverage but when u have bad CB’s ur safety will get exposed at some point. i didnt say dont draft one but if you want veteran presecense with good play hes a viable option, he does not suck…………….. and what steeler fans do you know?? why wouldnt they want a cornerback or WR??? or LE?
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All I hear is he's a good backup
Also what I hear is that he thinks he’s one of the best safeties in the leauge.
Also what I know is that like Gibril and Butler, he was a product of his defense’ agressive blitzing. Also…a product of playing off of a HOF safety.
He has a nose for the big hit..not the ball. He wiffs on tackles going for the big hit.
But you can have this one. Go head.
Ryan Clark is not what the Giants need. Your assessment that he’s a low cost option is also misleading as well..as in not true.
Master of the squeegee
But the giants have good CBs
the safeties got exposed because they weren’t up for coverage in big doses, and similar things happened in Pittsburgh
Clark may be better than Brown/Rouse/Johnson, but he isn’t a replacement for Phillips and that is what the team has to concentrate on.
If its a choice between Taylor MAys and Darrell Stuckey, I take Stuckey, because Stuckey you know can cover, Mays maybe not. Even though I think Mays has huge potential.
ALl the Steeler fans I know say they want a safety in round one.
If they want a safety in round one…..Ryan Clark is right there for the taking..could re-sign him for less then a 1st round safety…they also have that Polamalu guy..why would they want a first round safety?
For real?
Ryan Clark?
Master of the squeegee
Huh
by the way the fans also hate mcnabb if we are gonna go off of their opinions.
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"...elite with Polamalu...,"
Keep blowing that horn, FB, and maybe you’ll convince more BBVers that S is our biggest need. IMO, it’s the most important position on the D in today’s game.
Most important?
I don’t know about that, George. I do know, though, that it deserves more attention than JR has given it.
I finally got a rise
from someone re my no doubt minority opinion re the importance of S in today’s game.
Ah, George
You know I do believe JR has under-estimated the importannce of safety. Shoot, it’s a big play, passing league now. And the safety is the last line of defense against those big plays. Gotta have good ones with the ability to cover, not just big guys who can hit. Especially since the NFL doesn’t actually want anyone to get hit anymore.
Well, we agree
that JR should go for the best def. player available in the draft.
Lets be fair
Everyone assumed Phillips would be in or close to Pro Bowl
Then no one talks about the safety problem. And a Safety in round 2 this year would be solidifying a standout secondary.
But we can certainly ding him for not being more aggressive last year in creating depth. Dragging his feet and taking CC Brown instead of sending a pick for Pollard was a big mistake.
S more than DL??
Its a tough call, but certainly elite safeties can make a huge impact
WOD,
it’s a tough call. I think most would say tackles. Ray Lewis says that Goose and Adams overwhelmed O lines, enabling him to become a superstar. Tough to find 350 pounders who deal with two blockers every play and tackle anyway.
Others would opt for LBs. They make most of the tackles and have to pass cover as well.
I say S because the new breed (i.e., LB size and CB speed) have to be accounted for on every play and are the playerss most likely to create fumbles and make interceptions. Also, if they screw up, they’re the one most likely to give up a big play. How often did we see last year one of ours chasing a receiver into the end zone?
I expect that the league is going to morph toward
faster and faster LBs
I definitely think that S is the new MLB, the position that has the biggest range of duties (really from LOS to goal line)
Problem is that few colleges play safeties like the NFL, so you don’t know who can get the job done in the draft.
Good point, 63
I sometimes think a fast LB from college could be transitioned to S in the pros (the reverse of what the Giants did with Van Pelt, a CB in college and, IMO one of the all-time best Giants’ LBs.))
You know who else is a 5'11 205 lb Safety?
Earl Thomas. Actually he measured 5’10.5 and 208. Much rather have him over Ryan Clark.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 3, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
you guys are missing the point. nevermind….yes i would take thomas over clarke too lol
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I think that the problem with Clark is that he isn't a cover safety
Other than Phillips none of the Giants safeties really could get out and cover. Clark is perhaps a slightly better version of the Rouse/Brown/Johnson Troika. None of these guys are that bad. They just don’t have the ability to cover a TE.
And that is the skill the team needs.
Yes me too...
He is built like Bob Sanders (now if he could stay on the field more than hm….that would be great too).
And another thing...
Makes no sense at all to tender CC Brown, zip, nada, no mas. There is no compensation for him, he is not going to be here, be done with him already.
I’ll drive the bus, if need be.
I would take Peppers in a NYG minute. He can dominate games (when he wants to). He commands a double team and plays the run well. Pairing him with Tuck on the other side and Kiwi rotating in!!! Maybe we draft Williams or Price in the 1st round. The DL would be the best in the NFL. And it keeps the Eagles from pairing him w/Trent Cole. He would also help keep blockers from getting to Boley so he could run to the football. Boley isnt the best shedding LB in the world.
If Peppers feels like this is his last hurrah
Trying to go to a team ready to seriously compete for a ring, ready to put it on the line, he’d be a bargain at $100M
But I am not sure he is that kind of guy. I’d trust Giants front office on that. They seem to be good at the quality of the person evaluations. (Even Plax was more goofball than bad guy)
Have Jules in a sit down
with Tom and Perry.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Mar 3, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I’m against Peppers…but I’d say its more 50/50.
Its not my money, we’re in an uncapped year..plus, contracts aren’t guaranteed anyway. It probably pushes an Osi trade to very likely..which..well, I’m 50/50 on too.
May not be reasonable..
but Sign Peppers, then trade Osi for Barrett Ruud.
No picks involved. Peppers is a better player then Osi (c’mon…), Ruud ""solves the MLB mess".
Master of the squeegee
Yes would love Rudd
but in reality hes not going any where and thats fine i love barrett but hes no one i would chase.
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Yeah but uncapped year, giants spend money
Osi is gone we get ruud, we have peppers, IMAGINE THAT THO TUCK AND PEPPERS, ruud in the middle!! and we draft Earl thomas!! Eagles Trade away Mcnabb! Giants kill the division and tony(im not afraid of tears) romo calling in sick!!!
I agree about Peppers
He seems like an under achiever to me.
One should look no further than what happened last season with Albert Haynesworth.
Carolina offered Peppers a long term deal at $14M and he turned them down.
Does anybody really think the Giants should pay over $10M/yr to a guy who only puts out part time.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Heck naw
The giants wouldnt pay you that if you deserved it lol, Thats Eli money,
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The Giants will not sign peppers, on this im FreeBradshaw sure!
And I don’t see why we would be gung ho on signing kampman. He’s a 30yr old end coming off a major ACL tear. Why would we want to go thru another year with a less than 100% DE again? Osi’s younger, and will be fully recovered.
by wilddre22 on Mar 3, 2010 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because it's all talk and the weaker journalists just make crap up to fill bylines
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Devils Advocate
Maybe at 30 yrs old Peppers is ready to get that ring! Motivated and Dedicated, he gives us a 15 sacks season?
The Devil just called and said to tell you, "You're fired!" Donald Trump concurs.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Peppers can also devastate tho
lets not forget that. Everyone focuses on his laziness, but I would rather have a guy that takes off plays than that sorry excuse for a pass rush we had last year.
Do i really want him, prob not. too much money. would i be sad if we got him, no.
Not doubting his talent
i’m doubting his money and his willingness to play every game. because he doesn’t take plays off, he takes games off. And God forbid we watch him get blown off the line constantly all game for a game that costs us something(playoffs, division, etc) The Osi talk here will be tame compared to what you will say about him.
Guys like Peppers have had career rennaisance before
I’m not banking on it, but I’ve seen crazier things.
How about this
for an indication of what someone thinks we should do in the draft
“The Giants need help at safety, linebacker and defensive line. Drafting a safety like USC’s Taylor Mays at No. 15 may be too high for general manager Jerry Resse. However, a linebacker in the mold of Penn State’s Novorro Bowman or Clemson hybrid defender Ricky Sapp might be the right fit. "
This appears to be with our first round pick!
This was NFL com about the Giants offseason issues etc.
I think we need to offer them Free’s services for free as he can do a better job than that!
by G Fan in England on Mar 3, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions
LOL!
Its always funny to me that when the word “linebacker” comes up..they just throw any old one out there.
Like we’re talking about WR or something.
Master of the squeegee
And add this
Don Banks on SI has Dansby should and will gign for the Giants….
by G Fan in England on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
that’s another thing I’d be 50/50 on.
Always was “can he play MLB”. If the Giants think so…shit, sign him quick. That’s my concern, can he play it. But I’m not in the Giants FO..if they sign him, I’d assume they think so.
Money is money. Giants have money and no cap barrier. I’m sure they take into account what the cap would be had it been there as well.
As always, not against it, nor am I for it.
Master of the squeegee
He can
But i wouldnt go after Dansby either, last year i was all for him but i just want a young beast at MLB and i think there are some viable options in the draft……..im really starting to like the weatherspoon kid just seems like he would be a star
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I liked Boley last year
I thought he hustled a lot, but I have read some negative reviews of his play
If Giants sign Dansby, draft a MLB and Sintim is ready, they could conceivably cut Boley.
Too risky
Dansby will command much more $$ than Boley and we don’t even know if he will be a better fit for us.
Boley missed also all of training camp which didn’t help him in getting in shape and learning the defense
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 4, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Just saying its an option
$$ are one thing the Giants can use next year, the key is not going crazy on $$ going into 2011, but they can walk away from contracts like Boley, Jacobs or others if they think they don’t need ’em without a cap hit.
I expect ALL NFL teams to cut some vets at the end of camp, guys they might try to squeeze an extra year out of.
I see what you're saying
but I think you’re underrating what Boley can do – just 2 years ago he was one of the best Will LB’s in the league. This year he didn’t play that well but neither did anyone else on the defense. For all we know Boley could be a better WLB than Dansby
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 4, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I read...
This other gent on FOX had McClain falling to the Giants at 15? Interesting how he “pulled” his hamstring and didn’t run at the combine, guess he’s waiting for his pro day at Bama.
Peppers at $100 million is salt in the wound...
That’s a lot of money that could shore up a lot of holes in other places, and if you sign ONE guy like that, particularly one who plays some downs and not others, what do you do if he gets injured? Too many headaches and too much money for a questionable return. Great when he’s there and wants to play, but no idea of what percentage of the time would be, but I’d guess it’s less after the check clears than before.
Yeah Cranky..Peppers..Geez
If he commands that much money to play part-time (when he feels like it) would be a disaster for us at 100M..and they sure wouldn’t pay him more than Eli anyway..I feel that if a guy won’t play hard everyday for John Fox, then he ain’t gonna play hard for anybody..The shame is he’s a great athlete..somehow over the years his lightbulb came unscrewed..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Don't see it...
I don’t see them having interest in the above, forget Peppers, ain’t going to happen in our lifetime. Hood, why spend on a nickel back? The other corner, Robinson, far too pricey, not a postion of real need as well.
I really don't like going after any of these guys..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Boy this is getting boring..I may have to toss in another funny War story..
I was hoping to wait until next week..for my next one..so I am really trying hard to wait for FA to start…that should buy me some time..So I’ll make every effort to hold off on my series..As I said, next up is how Iraqi soldiers spend their night..but I want to hold up if I can until after we all go crazy over what our team does in FA….based on what Mara said when interviewed they won’t be opening up their checkbook much.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
You sure know how
to create suspense, Bobbi. Gotta be careful of overhype, though.
Someone is gonna pick up peppers
And he is going to make everyone miserable someplace else. One thing about Peppers is he will command attention which can free up alot more for tuck and the rest of the line. Kampman is just coming off an ACL injury and he’s thirty. So we get to have his rehab year if we get him…..yay!
We have three good DEs
Peppers is 32 years old, has had clear motivation issues, is just one year removed from a 2 sack season, and oh yeah, will want a gargantuan contract
Just….no.
again..I'm not for or against this...
But if we’re talking about trading Osi (for a MLB or S…) and signing Peppers…I’m for that.
Osi vs. Peppers? Peppers can do exactly what he did in Carolina…he’s a better player right now then Osi (probably always was)
Master of the squeegee
Umenyiora is much better than Kampman
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 3, 2010 8:03 PM EST reply actions
I don't see the Giants signign Kampman
All the medical last year, bringing in a guy with an ACL
Just doesn’t pass the sniff test
Kampman = slow, old, one dimentional player,
Osi = fast, young, one dimentional player.
Therefore, Osi > Kampman.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 4, 2010 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
morrison
just saw oakland put a 3rd round tender on kirk morrison, what do you guys think about him?
I like Morrison. Worth the 3rd round pick IMO.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 4, 2010 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
From Pro Football Weekly
OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League."He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It’s all about himself. I don’t want him in my locker room."
If this means that Spoon could slide to us in 2nd round, I’d be as pleased as punch. That kind of thing could light a fire under a very talented player. If it focuses him a bit and amplifies his leadership skills, it would be a double blessing
LOL maybe it was Jerry Reese is that top executive
trying to make the other teams to pass on him
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to that some team in the bottom of the first round is spreading the same type of rumors for Dez Bryant probably so they can take him
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 4, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
I like Spoon
But I could see some teams not liking his persona (he does get a bit TO like at times)
The beauty of this draft is that some of these guys will fall. There are at lest 45-50 guys with 1st round grades. In many drafts Nate Allen is a first round pick, this year I think there is a good chance he is there for Giants in 2nd round.
Anthony Davis was a top 10 pick, he looked slow and sloppy at the combine and supposedly turned off many with his attitude and habits (which weren’t great at Rutgers), he may become a 2nd round pick!
Here's an idea.
Blame 2009 on Sheridan and keep the faith with JR’s vision of our DL. that would mean trust Osi to bounce back from his major injury 2 years ago.
I think JR will sign Dansby to replace Pierce. I don’t want to get into the thing about him being an ILB in a 3-4 thing. The man has elite speed for a linebacker and he is as sure a tackler as anyone else. He’s had no motivation or off-field issues and he makes big plays in crucial situations.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Mar 4, 2010 1:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hi everyone
Hey guys, I just found this blog since NetsDaily went live on SB Nation. Long time Giants fan here.
I liked what Boomer Esiason recommended yesterday morning…instead of going after a Peppers, why not consider Gary Brackett from Indianapolis? I think improving our linebacker depth is a far more pressing concern than DE right now.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Hi MrDollarBills...Welcome!
I wouldn’t mind seeing us get Brackett…By the way I really like your handle..“MrDollarBills”…You’d be a great guy to go to a strip club with to watch the “Laked Nadies” perform..lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
LOL thank you
and yes, I the “clubs” are one of my favorite venues
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Mar 4, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Where...
Where both Peppers and Thomas Jones SHOULD go as opposed to will go is…drum roll please, New England. A. Thomas on his way out, and BB loves veteran running backs, ie., Antoine Smith, Corey Dillon, and Taylor.
I can see one or the other.
I doubt that Peppers wants to go anywhere he’s not going to win a championship (like Philly) and he wants to stand up in the 3-4, so that makes the Pats likely.
And I’m sure Thomas Jones has an irritated feeling in his groin area from being released from the Jets…after he ran for 1400yds for them, and they didn’t want to pay him $3mill in an uncapped year (as if there was any other reason to not like the Jets).
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 4, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
On ESPN they were saying that the Bears were likely going to offer Peppers a huge contract
I also think that the Pats are the best for him though.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
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