New York Giants notes: Osi apparently hurting
by Ed Valentine on Mar 25, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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Mike Garafolo reported Wednesday night that while Osi Umenyiora is attending New York Giants off-season workouts, he is also battling hip problems.
Wrote Garafolo:
The two-time Pro Bowl defensive end, whose situation has been clouded since he was demoted to a situational pass rusher last season, is now also battling complications from a lingering hip injury, according to someone informed of Umenyiora’s health status.
The person, who requested anonymity because he wasn’t at liberty to discuss Umenyiora’s injury, said side effects of a torn hip flexor that sidelined him for five games in 2006 often flare up during spring workouts and that this year Umenyiora is particularly affected.
Though Umenyiora has said in the past he and the Giants’ medical staff have discussed surgery as an option, it appears he will continue to rehab the injury during the off-season program and won’t go under the knife for the second time in two years. (Umenyiora had season-ending surgery to repair torn cartilage in his knee in August 2008.)
I am not sure what to make of this. On one hand, MG says Osi battles this every spring. On the other hand, he is a little older now and it is a little worse than usual.
Might make a player like Georgia Tech defensive end Derrick Morgan all that much more attractive in the April draft. Not that I'm taking the opportunity to defend my pick in our BBV Community Mock Draft or anything.
- If there are going to be changes on the Giants offensive line, no one has told them yet. Listen to Shaun O'Hara, one player definitely not in danger of losing his job.
"As far as we knew, any word of change came from outside the building. It was people that were speculating. When you have an 8-8 season and finish the way we finished I think you open yourself up for those types of propositions.
"But at the same time I think as a group we know the talent that we have, we know the type of group we are, and it’s amazing what a difference a year makes. The previous year people were lauding us as one of the best groups in the NFL. We’re confident in the fact that we can get back to playing at that level.
"I think there’s no question that the 2007, 2008 seasons we won a lot of football games, but we won them by being physical," said O’Hara. "That can take a toll on you."I think as players we’ve had a chance now to regroup. It’s always tough to make it through a season without having an injury. I always put myself in the mindset of: It’s not a matter of if you’re going to get hurt, it’s a matter of when. You just have to find a way to deal with it."
- Here is a look at a few prospects who are moving up and down draft boards.
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Kiwi
Having great DEs makes a defense – no question. And Morgan might be a really good one.
Osi’s problems aside, where do people see Kiwanuka? Is he starter caliber? Can he be the guy opposite Tuck?
Personally, I see him in the same vein as Osi. Smallish, an edge rusher but inconsistent against the run. Could he start? Yes. But I am not sure how he would do over a whole season.
Thoughts? It makes a difference when one looks at Morgan at #15.
I see Kiwi as a starter
He’s actually pretty good against the run. He was high up there in the league in solo tackles. He should probably wear PF flyers instead of cleats too..cuz he was really high up there in the NFL in QB hits and pressures…but not sacks.
I see Kiwi better then Osi right now actually. Shame it took the GIants till the 2nd half of the season to realize..but 2009 really didn’t happen.
As for Morgan at #15…I dunno if it matters whether Osi or Kiwi stay on the team. A DE that rushes the passer and plays the run like Morgan does is a good fit for any team. Especially when he rushes the passer as good as any DE that is a specialist at it.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi
is not going any where, Giant for life most likely. He is exactly the type of player from a tangible and intangible POV that TC and JR covets. Osi is the only one who could possible be moving at any time to me.
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PF flyers...
…like i was gonna let that one go, great reference Free, my dad would be proud, he’d tell me about his PF flyers all the time…
by nyGTrenches on Mar 25, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope O'Hara is throwing smoke signals,
as much as I’d like to see that same starting 5 return to its top 5 NFL caliberness, I doubt it. The time for Diehl to get away from that LT spot has been long since past. He really needs to be moved to a better spot to do what he does best and that’s maul people.
I’d be pretty disappointed in Will Beatty if he can’t win the starting job.
And it looks like “sun” ‘s boy Deji Karim isn’t gonna be slept on anymore.
DWTDD
Wishful thinking
O’Hara wants to believe that group can stay together. Maybe it can for one more year, but I’m with you. I want Beatty to win a job.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 25, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
An offensive line is a family
O’Hara certainly isn’t going to call out one of his brothers as needing to be moved or replaced. You have to respect him for that. O’Hara is also a quality professional so you know if Beatty does win a job he’s going to do everything he can to help the kid become a part of that family.
Agree
I would be disappointed if we do not start the season with Beatty at LT and Diehl at LG and Seubert as a super-sub. I think that is a stronger lineup.
What happens at RT is another discussion. I think McKenzie graded out OK last year but he is expensive and seems to have trouble staying healthy.
I want him to win a job too...
But are you willing to let him get “on the job training” at LT, Eli’s blind side?
Yes, Diehl is only adequate and yes, Beatty showed promise last year – but Beatty was playing RT and frankly, got rag-dolled quite a bit in pass protection. Run-blocking has never been trumpeted as his forte- what he is is an extrememly athletic player. Are you willing to let him play against the BETTER pass rushers on the left side? Both Diehl and McKenzie will both give up sacks, but other than the throw-away game at the Panthers, they give up one here and one there. They are not turnstiles by any means.
I don’t know, I am apprehensive about it. And I don’t like Diehl at guard, if anywhere, I would prefer him at RT but if MacKenzie is healthy he is the man for that position, he is solid when healthy.
On the whole, my take is that healthy, our existing line is better than most in the NFL if not one of the best and people here are doing two things 1) shortchanging the importance of a line playing together for a long period of time like this one has 2) understating the ineffectiveness related to the poor health of the RB’s last year and blaming the OL . Eli has NOT been substantially pressured and our offense has been productive. I am not willing to put Beatty in full time unless he shows he will not whiff.
I dunno about that
Eli was pressured and sacked more times in 2009 then he ever was in his career…even tho his decision making was quicker then its ever been.
I’ve never seen Eli run for his life as much as he was in 2009…….
And most of this was a result of Diehl’s poor play.
I’d rather have Beatty get on the job training, then have Diehl force Eli to do Houdini acts again…
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Beatty can be a solid LT
IMO he has what it takes to deliver acceptable performance in 2010 and not put Eli at any big risk.
And I disagree with dubsrub that Diehl is better at RT than at LG. I have seen other posts that agree he could be an All-Pro LG. He is a mauler and he and Snee at G could be the best tandem in the league.
I believe the hesitation of McKenzie at RT in 2010 is more money and health than performance. I think he is slated to get more than $4 million and if he spends a lot of time injured that is money perhaps best spent elsewhere.
I, for one, would be willing to gamble on him and slot him in at RT this season. Changes on the left side are enough in one season.
I think the only thing halting the Diehl to LG movement
is I’ve heard at one point JR say that Diehl is too tall to be the Giants OG. Dunno if its true, sounds like BS given plenty of OG’s in the NFL are 6"5+…but Seubert and Snee are 6"3 and 6"2 respectively.
Basically I’d be happy with Diehl away from LT. I’d rather have him at LG, as I feel McKenzie at RT > Seubert at LG.
But if Diehl has to switch to RT with Seubert at LG..I don’t think that’s bad either…in 2008 Seubert was one of the top 5 pulling OG’s in the NFL, so its not like he’s a schlep.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I like Seubert
But it seems he has lost a bit
Or maybe he was just hurt. Dunno.
I am just not bullish on the depth the Giants have on the OL. Boothe is mediocre. If Beatty starts, that is it unless you want to count Koets and Whimper. What happens when a starter gets hurt? Giants have been VERY lucky that way. Can’t last forever. Having Seubert available……
Seubert was hurt
He was pretty darn good two years ago. He was a backup before Diehl slid to tackle though, so I dunno. He does do a good job pulling.
I agree the depth is a much bigger concern than the starters. Our reserve lineman are shlubs.
Yea it is BS
Alan Faneca, arguably the best guard is 6’5, I would rather have diehl at RT because i just feel if he can be a decent LT (“pro bowler”), then he would dominate at RT and not have to worry about getting beat so much like he does on the left side
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Throwing Lanes
I think the idea of having a shorter guard is better throwing lanes for the QB. Eli can throw over Seubert and Snee, but would have to throw around Diehl. The height is also less needed inside because you don’t need those long arms that a tackle needs.
Good thing we got free Healtcare now.
I feel sorry for these poor guys. Torn cartilage, degenerative hips, arthritic knees, fractured feet, dislocated discs, bullet torn quadriceps, surgically repaired brains. Is there anyone healthy this offseason?
OI812
Every spring?
What kind of ridiculous advice have they given him? He had season-ending knee surgery. Why didn’t they take care of the hip problem at the same time? It’s not like he was going to miss extra time. That makes no sense.
If Osi doesn’t have a great year in 2010, his value is shot. Three bad years in a row doesn’t bode well for an increasingly one-dimensional player. If the Giants do want to trade Osi, this news doesn’t help his value.
Exactly...
what I was just thinking. Maybe that is why Osi came out and said that he has chronic hip problems in the spring. Will make it harder to trade him. Well played, Osi, well played.
Kiwi gets the start
I dont think the brass is scrambling in any way because of Osi’s injury, Which he can take care of with surgery and be fine like Michael Boley did. Kiwi is way better all around at this point, lets be honest here i have seen him in OTA’s and he looks like he was going to win the job outright anyway and i would welcome him, I do not think this makes them draft Morgan but I wouldnt mind it at all. As for O hara, all that is, is he knows his job is safe so he is just speaking up because he likes richie and Kareem who are the two that might lose there jobs. you wont hear those two talkin that BS especially since Reese and TC have said that Beatty will have every opportunuity possible to win the LT position, if thats not a change, I dont know what is.
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The Giants medical and training situation....
is bringing me memories of the Mets, and that’s NOT a good thing.
Last year...
was the same story for both the Mets and Giants. A bit scary. Injuries to key individuals that led to lack of production and a lackluster season.
Crossed my mind that maybe
Osi has had this “news” put out there so that his trade value for the now would be dropped greatly. Teams would trade for a healthy osi..skeptic after last season…and with lingering hip problems…skeptic goes to “hell nah we aint trading for him” maybe a third rnd pick..smh
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Yea
He’s playing hard ball but you dont wanna do that with JR, ask shockey. Hes lucky JR shipped him to a good team and didnt Richard Seymour that ass. They should keep Osi him and make him play 3rd dwn only just to piss him off, damn he’s fallen from Giant grace quick. JR might just take what he can get for Osi and cut his losses.
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Make Osi fulfill his contract
If that is what is best for the Giants then that is what they should do – and not worry about his attitude.
In this business
you would like to tell people to shut up and play but you have to worry about attitudes, Osi is a vet so his tude might influence people one way or another, if that happens he has to go just like the others with tude…………Shockey, TIKI (retirement thank goodness), Plax they are too big of a locker room presence and the younguns look up to them so i WOULD worry about Tude especially this year! had we won or did better then i wouldnt pay attention to his non sense.
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It's tough
I am of two minds with Osi.
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and just see what happens in camp. He might turn out to be a big part for us again if he gets his speed back now that he’s in his second year post surgery. Why sell low?
But then you remember the one dimensional and mediocre play last year, the squabbles with Sheridan, the ridiculous off season demands about starting or else, the sudden long term hip problem. It’s all getting harder and harder to ignore these red flags that keep popping up with Osi.
I also agree that the Giants and Jerry have a low tolerance for malcontent type players. I’d imagine he’s on a short leash right now and if he starts chirping again or underperforms in camp he will not be a Giant much longer.
You know I've been struggling with who I'd like to pick at #15..
So much so that today I was at the Sams Club gassing up my truck..when I noticed for the first time that there was a sign there at the pump that said: Please press the button to speak with the attendant"..So I did and the voice came over and said: " Can I help you Sir?"…I said “Nah not really just noticed this button and figured I’d ask you how your day was going”..Well he started laughing over the intercom and said “having a good day”..I said “That’s good, heh you wouldn’t be a Giants fan would you?”..Well now this guy can hardly speak he laughing so hard…He barely got out the words “No I’m a Dolphins fan”..I said “oh that’s cool, well I’m done so I’ll let you go..have a good one”..This guy was laughing his ass off..He said I was the first customer that ever did that…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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