Giant Nomad Mock Draft Pt. 1
It seems like everybody is doing their own mock draft lately so I figured I'd submit one of my own. Aside from the obvious pick in round 1, I tried to change it up while keeping it realistic. One thing I will let everybody know is that I think that if you're picked in the first two rounds of the draft, you SHOULD be able to start at some point in your rookie year. I'm not big on projects in the first two rounds. That said, we all know how TC is; even if a rookie could be starting, that doesn't mean he will be.
Round 1: Rolando McClain; ILB, Alabama
If he falls to us, there is a 99 percent chance this is the pick. People worry about the 4.7 40 (which isn't terrible for a linebacker), but 4.7 speed is a huge upgrade over AP. This guy has the potential to be the "QB" of the defense, which was the most important thing we lost when we released AP. One of the worst things about our defense last year was that they were constantly out of position. The lack of speed shone through because we don't have the kind of guys that can recover once they are out of position. Get an MLB that can make sure our defense is in position and we're in much better shape.
Round 2: Jon Asamoah; OG, Illinois
This could prove to be my most controversial pick. I know FreeBradshaw loves Nate Allen here and I agree we need to draft another safety earlier rather than later. I just don't think we can spend a second round pick on a guy who MAY end up backing up Kenny Phillips and Antrel Rolle for all but a few games of his rookie contract. DT is also a possibility, but the draft is so deep for DTs it's ridiculous so I think they'll wait.
Conventional wisdom is that we need to upgrade the O line at RT but the problem is that outside of Davis and Williams, too many of the OTs available project as LT's. That said, since Beatty will probably take over LT, Diehl can slide over to RT, and Asamoah could start at OG. Not only would this upgrade our offensive line, but Rich and Kareem are pretty solid backups to have. This pick is also pretty dependent on how he works out on April 8th.
Round 3: Darrell Stuckey; SS, Kansas
He's a strong safety but he's pretty adept at zone coverage, something safeties need to be good at in a Perry Fewell defense. Fewell is known for getting his money's worth out of DB's so that's why I'm willing to wait till the third round to pick up our insurance policy. If Burnett or Allen fall to the third round (unlikely) then of course take them, but Stuckey should do just fine. In fact, I like him better than Chad or Reshad Jones. Aside from the fact that Fewell can develop a DB pretty well, there are two more reasons we shouldn't use a first day pick on a safety. Both Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips were huge investments, and if we over allocate our resources to one position, holes are going to show up elsewhere.
Round 4: Torrel Troup; DT, UCF
I like Linval Joseph here too, but Troup is more likely to fall to the fourth and I love what I've been reading about him. Every scouting report says that he collapses the pocket extremely well. That is what we need to get our DE's sack numbers back up. He's a big man at 315 lbs, but he has a strong work ethic, as he's worked to lose 30 pounds over the last couple of seasons. Troup could end up being a great compliment to Canty, Cofield and (maybe a year or so down the road) Alford. Lot of people see him as a NT prospect, but I think that's exactly what we need in the middle. Joseph is a great prospect as well. He's bigger and (slightly) faster than Troup and despite that is less of a NT. That said, he is more of a project in my opinion.
Alright, lemme know what you guys think of the first four rounds. I didn't take into account any real "insider information" regarding what the Giants want. I just looked at their needs and the players. The next 3 rounds should be more BPA style.
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I mean, should they get McClain, I could almost care less about the rest of the draft.
I like the Asmoah pick too, dude is a solid OG and we’ve had luck with a former Illinois OL too so I’m all for that. He may not be in Iupati’s level, but definitely in line for that #2 OG. We’d be lucky to see him at #46.
The only thing with that is the team’s true plan with Diehl. Obviously with Asmoah, I’d think he’s going to RT (..not LT hopefully).
Stuckey’s a solid value in the third. More of a SS…so he could pair well with Rolle should KP be on the shelf (and KP can play either or).
I like Torrell Troup too. I’d much rather the Gints go with a NT type, or at least a dude with the strength and measurables to be such (Linval).
I guess…the only thing I’ll “complain” is that aside from Stuckey, I kinda don’t see any of them falling that far.
I think that its really not at all overly optimistic…but can see them basically just missing out on all of them aside from Stuckey.
But I’d be thrilled if that’s our top 4 picks.
DWTDD
I agree
that there is the possibility that most of these guys could be gone by the time we pick. Originally I was going to put in alternatives at each pick in case these guys were gone but the post just got too long.
Everybody knows the situation with McClain and how he might go before #15 so I won’t expand on that.
About Asamoah, I’ve seen him go before and after our pick in the 2nd so I figured there’s a decent chance he makes it to us. Valid point that he could go well before us though. It’s no coincidence that a lot of bad teams need interior line help.
As far as Troup goes, once you get to the 3rd and 4th round, it’s almost a impossible to figure out who will and will not be available so I figured I’d go with the guy I hope they get.
I love Mcclain
But i honestly think the kid Chaney is more of an all around LB than any of the top ranked LB’s………..I just can spot a real weakness in his game, this kid can blitz, play the run, and cover 30-40 yrds dwn field………….he has to be on Reese’s radar.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I agree.
if no McClain in round one, Chaney should be a target. I think its likely he’ll be there in round 3 too.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Really 3rd wow!
that would be great but he is talented enough to be a second maybe 1st and i wouldnt mind “reaching” for him, McClain is very good but when you think of our defense as a whole i see Chaney as a better fit in our division.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Asamoah
is a bit of a reach at 46 especially with his short arms but it’s still a solid mock none the less
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 21, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
that's why he's a guard
and at 33 inches, his arms are longer then Maurkice Pouncey’s 32 1/2 (actually, 33 inch arms are ideal for a guard.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
they say his arms were 31 inches only. (shortest of all offensive lineman)
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 21, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
read a line above
even they have it as 33.
It says they’re 31 at the senior bowl, but actually every single player measured at the senior bowl had their arms about 2 inches shorter so I dunno what they go by.
Combine seems to be the official one for all, and its 33"
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
okay then
forget what i wrote about him
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well
did they measure from the top side or under side?
Everybody knows that’s a cheap way to add an inch to your measure…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 22, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
u always gotta measure from the under side
then add another 1/2 inch when telling people.
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by Plaxico Burress on Mar 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Chiefs fan here
Do you guys think you would be interested in Glenn Dorsey? It looks like you could use defensive tackle depth and a future replacement for Cofield. I ask because I have a feeling our GM Pioli might take Suh or McCoy if they fall and try to move Dorsey. Would a 2nd and a 4th be fair or does this not entice you at all?
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey
way too much for Dorsey
I think he’s got talent, but I dunno about 2 draft picks especially that high.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Dorsey
I proposed a trade for him before but almost got lynched for that proposal
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I wouldn’t pick a safety in round 2 if I was confident that KP would play a lot of snaps in 2010. He MAY play at a high level for fewer snaps. And depth sucks so I would go Safety in Round #2
First Round
McClain. A no brainer. If he is not available
Dan Williams. Big presence to replace Robbins. If he is not available
Mike Lupati. Flexibility on the OL.and a mean streak. If he is not available.
Dunno. Think they wait until 2nd round for a safety.
Second Round
Chad Jones. Nearly as good as Thomas (as a safety) or Berry, at a lower price. If he is not available.
Price. He may fall this far. Great value at DT. If he is not available
Rodger Saffold. Could play LT. More Likely RT for Giants. And I think he will be gone between 40 and 65 so not available in Round #3
Third Round
Dexter Mcluster. OK , he is unlikely to be here. If he is not available.
Matt Tennant -TC loves his abilty to play G and C. And he has that BC connection. Successor to O’Hara
Lammar Houston. DT depth
Price in the 2nd
we might have to move up a little bit but it can happen, great players fall all the time so i would be cool with that especially if we were ably to snag McClain
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Price
I don’t see Price making it out of the first round…In fact, he might not be available at 15. That said, I think we should aim for LB or safety in the first and second round. If Reshad Jones is available in the second or third round, he’d be a nice addition. A big hitting safety who can cover…
by Slingblade10 on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Price in the front 15, and I suspect the only way he is...
will be if we take him. And if we don’t, I think he’ll slide further, though not to our spot in the second round.
I might lose it too
seriously im gonna need an onsight paramedic to watch the Draft with because if that happens i will need reviving.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
if Price falls to the 2nd round...
Goodel should probably slap a few GM’s and redraft.
I can tell you for as certain as I can, Price is no slipping past the Colts should he plummet like that.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
or the Vikings
Pat williams is almost on his last tour de france.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Optimistic about Price
dropping.
Less so about McClain. Denver will grab him.
But Lupati then Price would be sweet. Assuming a MLB can be found in round #3 and a safety in round #4
Chaney might be there
in the 3rd, im not a big Iupati fan though, he is good and aggressive but he was man handled at the senior bowl when he faced some good oposition.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
No way you reach for Lupati at 15 before taking Weatherspoon there. If I were going to reach for (or more sensably trade back for) and interior line player it owuld be Puncey before Lupati.
I like Sintim and Boley
so no need for Weatherspoon unless you think he can play MLB – and very few do.
Lupati can play G or T and has a big upside. If he is a reach it is only by a pick or three.
I’ll take Lupati over Pouncey simply because Lupati can play G or T. Pouncey is very good but he is no tackle.
Weatherspoon is more likely to be a good MLB
than Lupati as a Tackle.
IMO
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure your sources
Most actual evaluators do think Weatherspoon can play MLB. Most actual evaluators think poon can play all 3 LB spots. Spoon lit it up as the MLB in the senior bowl. You are going to read a lot on here from McClain lovers that Spoon can’t play MLB. That is all about their need to talk down Spoon to feel better about McClain. They want to downgrade Spoon to argue the need to trade up for McClain.
Lupati is not and will not be a tackle. Lupati is a guard, period. Pouncey can play guard and center. I don’t want him to play tackle. I’d want him as the future center when O’Hara retires.
whoa...
easy there. How exactly are you gonna talk about MSP’s sources, yet invent this idea that “most actual evaluators thinks Spoon can play all 3 LB spots”>
The only time I’ve read that is when talking about the 3-4.
I don’t think a single so called “McClain lover” is knocking Spoon by saying that he “can’t play MLB”. Its that he hasn’t and his faults, as in trouble shedding blocks, are exactly what translates into tough transition to MLB, which is what he’d do.
Don’t ask for someone elses “sources” when you are inventing this sort of stuff yourself.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy Free
I think I hit a button. First, you need to get out beyond the net my friend. A collection of ‘draft expert’ sites that just parrot information. You get one crud source that they all copy and your info is garbage. Heck, I saw one site that claimed Weatherspoon in the NFL was pigeon holed as a SAM, which is an exact opposite of what you are saying. Do we just wan to trust everything we read on the net then? I watched coverage of the senior bowl, senior bowl practices, combine, pro days etc. Where various commentators, coaches, etc. discussed Weatherspoon and his ability to play anywhere in the LB corps. It was a common topic on combine coverage. All I heard during the coverage of these different events was how impressive Spoon was, his swagger, how he lead his team. I heard none of this garbage about ego or other BS.
I don't even see him talked abotu as a MLB other then a selct few on Big Blue View
and basically some saying “if Reese and the Giants feel he’s a MLB, they could draft him”.
Other then that, basically 100% of the sites I’ve looked at have Spoon as an OLB (WLB) or a potential WILB in a 3-4.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
From MSP's source
of profootballweekly if you need something from the net:
“Lined up inside at times and has the strength to take on blocks and play in the middle.”
“The most freakish linebacker to come out of the draft since Patrick Willis, Weatherspoon should make an immediate impact in the NFL and possesses “special” traits. Top-10 talent."
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/09/20/missouris-weatherspoon-a-freakish-lb
Just so you know...rarely, do I go by the net.
I’ve seen plenty of Spoon.
His problem is taking on blockers, not strength, not speed.
Its that he plays like a WLB, running around people instead of engaging and fighting through blocks…things I’d be concerned with if we’re talking about MLB’s.
I dunno what exactly they’re getting at with that freakish stuff. He’s not even the most athletic LB in his class.
And if you insist on the net…
instinctive, fast-flowing weak-side linebacker with a great nose for the ball and an exceptional football-playing temperament
from that same source.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is the bad
He played WLB in college, so them saying he is a fast flowing weakside linebacker is not saying he can’t be anything else. Just a description of what he played in college. By the way I’m not insisting on the net, you said you hadn’t “read” anywhere that Weatherspoon could play mutliple positions, and I’m telling you I watched and heard commentators, evaluators, coaches, etc. during senior bowl and combine coverage say that he could.
Finding the hole and shooting into it is not quite the same as running around people. I don’t need our MLB to needlessly engage blockers. Could Spoon work on that portion of his game (specifically I’d say getting the intial pop off a fullback) yes he could. Every rookie (and most vets) has a portion of their game that could be worked on. It’s nothing that he doesn’t have the skill set to improve at. He has the needed strength to do it just needs to be coached up into using it properly. Something that would be cured by the start of the season.
could be
and if they get him, I’d expect them to work on that.
Its a concern tho and while if we needed a Will, he’d be ideal. But I just don’t know if he’s a MLB. Its basically the same thing I figured with Karlos Dansby.
As a WLB, I think he’d be worth the pick. But if we’re looking at a MLB..I dunno about that…especially if we’re drafting someone at #15 overall.
Its been done, players like Jon Beason have done it.
But its also been done and not worked out so well, as DJ Williams is basically OK as a Mike, but elite as a WLB (or was when they ran the 4-3).
I just think I’d rather have a true MLB who’s more stout at the point of attack and understands his gabs..is instinctive at that, doesn’t have to be taught.
This is why I prefer McClain, but if he’s not there…either Chaney or Angerer..or if they want to wait, Donald Butler.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of those types of Mikes
get badly exposed in the passing game. Just something to keep in mind. What I see in Spoon is a rare combination of athletic abilities that would allow him to pretty much it all from that Mike spot and never have to leave the field no mater the situation. Couple that with his knowledge of the game, his leadership, and his swagger and you’ve got one hell of a player. Yeah, fine he hasn’t had the luxury of coming through as polished a collegiate system as McClain did, but with a little coaching on the finer points of the game the sky is the limit. The backers projected lower like Chaney and Angerer need some coaching up too (potentially in different areas) and don’t have near the same potential as Spoon.
It’s funny that you knock Spoon as to whether he can transition to MLB, but suggest Angerer. I get your logic is because he played MLB in college so must be he can play it in the NFL, but some view him as needing to change to Will to play in the NFL.
Butler too
Just checked and it looks like some are pegging Butler as needing to move outside to play at the next level as well.
Angerer to Will?
Butler to outside?
Where…
…..I’m go play Mass Effect 2. I’m tired of this BS.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
“Angerer does not have great size, but his motor, fluidity, awareness in zone coverage and hustle to the ball should intrigue teams looking for a weak-side — or undersized, active middle linebacker — in the mid-to-late rounds.”
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563049
“Considering his frame and relative comfort in coverage, some teams will view Butler as an outside linebacker prospect. "
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117848?tag=pageRow;pageContainer
Whatever free
You’re right any source I give is just “cherry picked”. You do realize I said “some” right and simply showed some of those? I guess I should have gone with the popular answer of “because I said so” becaus then I couldn’t be accused of chery picking roll eyes
mass effect
how is that game? ive been thinking about getting it but havnt pulled the trigger.. pun intended for a post by plax
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Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 24, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the effect of Plax's life...except the opposite.
Incredible game.
Game’s deeper then a hooker who dates 7 footers
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
we ain't looking for a LB who lines up in the middle on third downs
I thought that was big no no for our 1st round pick?
Him and Boley could be a solid nickel duo…but what are we doing for the other situations?
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No we are looking for 3 down LB
Which by most indications is what Spoon is going to be at the next level.
maybe
most boards prefer Lupati at a guard slot and say he can easliy play tackle so you may be right, but
Weatherspoon – beyond the talent – is said to be a locker room poison. Oversized ego, runs his mouth etc etc
Not for me if I am deciding and there are other equally talented people out there to select.
Weatherspoon? Nope.
Again who are your sources?
Locker room poison? That’s BS. I’ve heard he is a leader in the locker room. He brings swagger not ego, they are very different things. Strahan had swagger, and our defense had swagger when he led them. Our defense has always been best when it had swagger.
I do like Spoon
Just a bit too high for him at 15. We don’t need to reach when someone who’s a stud is going to fall. Morgan fell in BBVs mock. Other draft sites believe Rolando may fall to us. I’ve seen Bulaga and Williams both fall.
Spoon?
Go to ProFootballWeekly or CBS Sports for two sources on Spoon.
A great talent with lots of questions. Character being one.
I do not use my #15 pick on that kind of player.
Seriously, what?
From your own source of cbs sports:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1123346?tag=pageRow;pageContainer
“Intangibles: Upbeat, infectious attitude on the practice field translates as the team’s emotional leader.”
“The Spoon plays bigger than he measures, and his impact includes motivating teammates with his infectious enthusiasm. He impressed scouts at the Senior Bowl with his play and leadership, and his engaging personality didn’t hurt him at the scouting combine, either.”
So where exactly are you reading in that character issues?
Your other source
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/09/20/missouris-weatherspoon-a-freakish-lb
“Football IQ, intangibles and character are all outstanding. Well-respected team captain and vocal on-field leader.”
Easy to cherry pick
the copy that agrees with you. The media does it all the time.
Comments on his character are there – all you have to do is look.
Never said he was not a great athlete. Just NOT a MLB in a 4-3 nor a character I want on my team.
Period.
Lame
That was a lame retort. Here’s the deal, you made an accusation, but have shown no evidence to back up that claim. I’ve provided you examples from your supposed sources and all you can do is tell me I’m “cherry picking”. There are many more sources that discuss his leadership values, none that I’ve seen that backup your claims.
I didn’t go looking for articles to back me up even. I went to your claimed sources and searched Weatherspoon to see what came up. I was looking for the source you got your “info” from. What I found doesn’t match what you are saying whatsoever. I’m going to just assume at this point since you’ve yet to be able to substantiate your claims that you were just spewing BS and are not the type that will admit they were wrong.
Know what this proves?
That you cannot locate info on the web. Even when pointed to the right spot.
http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=2379
weakside – no MLB
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/03/21/top-10-lb-prospects
"Runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and carries a false bravado that could rub veterans the wrong way."
It also proves that I am an idiot for even responding to you. I’ve more important things to do than justify myself to you. But here is it.
Yeah, I am wrong. Wrong for taking the 5 minutes it took to locate the data that was in front of your face.
Get a life. And take your commission for being a Spoon shill and learn to find information before you go off.
THAT’s the deal
CDS draft is not
CBS sports.
All your post proves is that there is no agreement online about players. Profootball weekly posted contradictory opinions on the same player. Oh and you get way too defensive about people disagreeing with you on a football blog.
Disagreement?
Enjoy respectful disagreements and that what blogs are all about. These are all opinions. Nothing more.
When the tone gets accusatory and unnecessarily pointed I will eventually reply in kind. Underline eventually. If you look at the string I did not start this and it took me awhile to respond in that same tone.
But yeah, I regret it when the conversation becomes less about NY Giants and football and more about he said she said. Comment taken.
I’m sorry, but to me there is nothing respectful about attacking someone’s character. In my opinion if you are going to do that you better have something solid you are basing it on. You made the accusation several times, yet wouldn’t provide anything to show what you were basing it on. Just telling other people they need to go look it up and accusing them of cherry picking when they come back with findings that are opposite to your attacks. Sorry, that’s just not cool. Then you proceed to on a tirade about how stupid I must be to not find your one quote that doesn’t even support the attack. A guy interpreting how Spoon acts as “false bravado” and claiming it “could” rub people the wrong way does not equal locker room poison. By that logic Brandon Jacobs is poison, Strahan must have been poison, etc. etc. If we leared one thing by the two quotes it is that profootballweekly is a bad source. The two articles on that site with conflicitng views that we both quoted are from the same author. I also want to jst talk football, but I don’t like people just spewing garbage. You shouldn’t be out just attacking people’s charcter without anything to base it on. That is what started this issue. But what do I know I’m just a stupid shill?
Price is a top 50 player
according to people who know more than me so I will hope he is there at 46.
I doubt it
What people don’t realize is that this whole top 50 or 25 or 10 player thing is all subject to who you speak to, also i have heard GM’s say that fans are crazy to think that Mel kiper’s or Mcshay’s or whoever else’s board are always correct or even close to correct……………..Have you guys ever seen a teams draft board? it looks absolutely ridiculous and its all in different order depending on the team needs, the GM’s likes and the scouts preferences. Price may top 50 to him but top 15 to me so it’s all a toss up depending on who is evaluating.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Lupati / iupati
His name begins and ends with the letter i.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
I would be greatly disappointed if we lose out on McClain and take Spikes. I can’t stand Spikes after that ridiculously dirty play last year that he stuck his hand in the opposing players helmet.
LOL
I loved it, a temper problem, just what we need. Appearantly the Giants are still very high on Spikes, I thought i was the only one left that still liked him after his pro day LMAO, but according to John schmelk and Rich Eisen who are in the building every day ,they said that they believe that he is still highly regarded by alot of the decision makers.
Leader of the Price-McClain Campaign!!
Yes.
we want someone slower then 2009 Antonio Pierce. Can’t wait.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 24, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they're thinking of drafting him and trading him to the Eagles...
to be Michael Vick’s bodyguard at PETA meetings. Seriously though, if we can’t find someone we like better than Spikes, we DEFINATELY lack imagination. It’s a deep draft, and I don’t see Spikes as being better than the prospects/suspects at linebacker that we already have.

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