Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire Vow To Fit In With Lin

Mock Draft Time Part 1

 

It seems like it's mock draft time, and rather than just commenting on other folks mocks I thought I'd put up my view. If for no other reason than for you guys to get a chance to return the favour of critiquing my picks. I'll follow Blue Gates' lead by breaking my mock into two parts. Part 1 will cover picks 1-4. Here goes.

Star-divide


Round 1: Sean Weatherspoon, Linebacker, MissouriFootball003-online-k_medium

First, let's cover the obligatory Rolando McClain discussion. Let me state for the McClain fan club that if I believed he would be available here I would have to give him strong consideration. I don't think he will be available for us at 15, and I do not see him as a player that warrants trading up (if such a trade partner even exists).  I'm not upset that McClain doesn't slide because I can get the player I really want without controversy over which linebacker stud to pick.

Weatherspoon is the ideal addition to our linebackingcorps as we move forward with Perry Fewell in whatever direction he plans to take us. Weatherspoon is a truely gifted athlete whose skill set allows him to project as any of the 3 linebacker positions in the 4-3 defense. While at Missouri Weatherspoon was responsible for on the field play calling duties and he is a smart prospect making him an ideal Mike for us. He is arguably the smoothest linebacker in coverage of a very talented draft class making him a great player at the WILL if there are any issues with Boley. Weatherspoon's 35 reps on the bench even indicate the strength necessary to play SAM. Weatherspoon is a starter quality player day one. His versatility means we only need two of three currently slated starters with question marks to step up to the plate. Other potential linebacker draft choices can only fit one position which would require making a decision about who currently on the roster will step up before even getting to see them in full offseason action. 

Round 2: Toby Gerhart, Runningback, Stanford4124641705_a724cb1e90_medium

We all know there are some question marks regarding our runningbacks. It's impossible to ignore the fact that our ground game just wasn't up to Giants standards last year. Obviously some of this is attributable to injuries. Bradshaw was practically a cripple 5 days a week and was still giving it his all on Sundays. Jacobs hurt his knee again, and Andre Brown had a ruptured Achilles. We can't simply assume injury was the only problem and hope everything is ok this year though. Andre Brown may never work out because not many runningbacks really come back from a ruptured Achilles. Gartrell Johnson and Danny Ware have not shown anything to indicate they can carry any kind of load. 

A lot of folks have discussed players like CJ Spiller or other flashy backs. I would argue flashy change of pace backs are not where we need to look to solve our ground game issues. Bradshaw played well even hurt. When he is 100% he is a great change of pace back. Jacobs on the other hand was unimpressive even when healthy. He simply wasn't running with power. I believe we need a player in the backfield we can count on to get those tough yards to keep the chains moving. Gerhart can do that for us. Gerhart also possesses skills that are lacking in our current runnigback stable. Gerhart is a better blocker than any of our current backs and also has better hands, so even if he doesn't take over a starting job he can instantly be our 3rd down back. We also haven't had a back we can really count on for short yardage. Jacobs for all his size just isn't that good at pushing a pile. Gerhart immediately improves our short yardage game.

As I see it, we draft Gerhart and one of two things happens. Possibility one: it lights a fire under Jacobs and he goes back to playing like he did before he got paid. Great, we have Jacobs of old back, Bradshaw does his change of pace thing and Gerhart handles 3rd down and short yardage. When Jacobs inevitably hurts his knee in the middle of the season Gerhart can take on a bigger role to fill the void. Possibility two: Jacobs doesn't light up and get back to form. Fine, we cut him and his big salary in the uncapped year and hand Gerhart the reigns sooner rather than later.

 Round 3: Matt Tennant, Center/Guard, Boston College

 687742_medium

I've been beating the draft a center drum around here for a bit. I love O'Hara, but I don't think he is around forever and I want time for a young guy to learn from him. Matt Tennant would be a great player to draft with this intention. First and foremost he has the number one quality that the Giants seem to look for in offensive lineman, versatility. Tennant can play both center and guard (and potentially even right tackle) meaning worse case scenario he is an ideal reserve lineman that can fill in at more than one spot. Tennant could stand to add a bit more muscle mass to handle some of the biggest defensive tackles, but his technique is incredible. He is an incredibly smart athlete that will be able to handle making the line calls from the center position. He is quick off the snap and very skilled at redirecting defenders, which Eli will appreciate. He is very athletic, plays great in space, works combo blocks well popping off onto linebackers with ease, and is aggressive at getting downfield and blocking through the whistle. All traits that are ideal for our style of run game that calls for a lot of pulls and a mix in of some zone runs. Last but not least we all know that BC puts out good lineman.

Tennant comes in and competes day  one with Seubert for the starting LG spot and most likely wins it. If as many of us are hoping Beatty is ready to take over the left tackle position Diehl will be free to move to right tackle. Our two big question marks (Seubert and McKenzie) are taken care of. Seubert can be a reserve and McKenzie perhaps gets cut. Tennant spends the next two years playing guard for us while learning from O'Hara how to be a center in the NFL. Then when O'Hara retires Tennant slides over comfortably into center and our offensive line moves forward without skipping a beat. I contemplated here whether to wait on center until a later round (a Kevin Mathews for example), but the value that Tennant brings as player ready to play guard now was just too much to pass up. Later round centers would likely be reserve players only until they had some time to adjust to the pro game.

Round 4: Linval Joseph, Defensive Tackle, East Carolina University

 0120linvaljoseph2_1__medium

Defensive tackle is a position that most here on BBV are concerned with. There are differing views on how big of a concern and what type of a defensive tackle is needed. Do we need a starter or a reserve? A nose tackle or a 3 technique? I'm personally in the camp that we have our starters in Coefield and Canty. I expect much more out of Canty now that he is healthy. My primary concern regarding defensive tackle is depth at the position. What do we really have in Rocky Bernard and the even bigger question will Alford be healthy enough? I also believe we are ok at the 3 technique because of all of our nickel package options (playing Tuck at defensive tackle etc.). This caused me to look into the draft for a rotational player that can come in at the nose tackle position. Linval Joseph is that player.

Joseph has the size and flashes moments that would have you peg him as a top tier defensive tackle. His main problem appears to be stamina and not being able to perform at a high level series after series. This is going to cause him to slide down a lot of boards which turns out well for us because we are looking for a rotational player. He doesn't need to play every down for us, just rotate in make some plays then come get some Gatorade. He is a massive player at 330 lbs, yet he gets amazing penetration meaning he isn't pigeon holed to run stuffing only. He has some technique issues that could be fixed, but nothing that isn't coach-able. As a 4th rounder there isn't a rush to get him on the field so we can utilize him in situations that he excels at while we coach him up and condition him to be a more complete player.

That concludes rounds 1-4 of my mock. Let the comments fly and I'll get cracking on making the tough decisions with my remaining picks. 

FanPosts are written by community members. This is simply a way for community members to express opinions too long to be contained in a comment.

Comment 70 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

like the draft dont get y we’d need a RB that early

by hotshot5568@aim.com on Mar 19, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I AGREE

I don’t really mind the picks except for the second round, why in the would the giants pick a rb so early in the draft and there will be better players probably left in the draft.

by Jermal on Mar 19, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he answers questions

The draft is all about finding value that could answer a question you currently have with your roster. Gerhart fits that bill. We have questions in general about our runningbacks, we have major questions about who is our 3rd down back (we just don’t have one currently). Gerhart is the ideal 3rd down back and coud be the answer to our grander unningback questions as well.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

who cares?

Toby was one of teh most athletic backs in this draft.

At 6"0 231lbs, compared to other backs his size…he makes then look like Offensive lineman (or Brandon Spikes..take your pick) given what Toby did at the combine.

He’s more athletic then the black players of similar size, and more so then many who are smaller then him.

For real…that’s some bigtime BS basing that he’s white so he’s not good. They just haven’t been any white RB’s like Toby out there.

And who the hell gives a rats ass about any other RB’s? Name me 3 good 6"4 265lbs RB’s? I’ll save you, Brandon Jacobs.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha brandon spikes

by #56 4life on Mar 21, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like it

i would take weatherspoon or mcclain happily and i see your point with taking Gerhart but i dont agree with it. with a new DC and a already solid offense, i think JR will want to build the defense up with the first few picks with the exception of a OL pick in the 3rd or 4th

by #56 4life on Mar 19, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't base picks on coach addition

We really don’t have any gapping holes. We have some various question marks that could use more possible answers. Those question marks are base don the roster. The addition of a new DC doesn’t change the questions that need answering.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

acctually i think we have a big hole at MLB but other than what i meant was that JR will want to surrond Fewell with young defensive players from the draft so that he would feel more comfortable with all the holes filled on defense

by #56 4life on Mar 20, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's alot to support what you're saying.

Fewell had alot to do with the Rolle signing and I’m sure that personnel and scheme changes were part of the discussion during his hiring.

I’m certain they will give Fewell everything he needs to right the ship. The statements from Mara, Reese and Coughlin all make it apparent that they were embarrassed by the defensive play last year and will do evrerything within reason to restore what is a tradition with the franchise.

Bleeding Blue since 1962

by sunlion333 on Mar 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I agree totally, I think that is what Jerry Reese and TC try to do for all their DC’s from Spags (Terell Thomas, Kenny Philips) Sheridan (Clint Sintim, Chris Canty) now you see the Fewell Influences and i think this will continue in the first round with LB like weatherspoon or a DT like Price

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worry about MLB obviously since I went with the Spoon pick, but many would tell you it actually isn’t as big of a hole as some f us think because they have faith in Goff. That is why I say we have questions rather than holes. In years past we had a spot where we didn’t have a starter (WR, S), but this year we have penciled in starters at every spot. We have questions about depth at some places, and questions about how healthy some guys will be coming off injury, and questions about whther some of our penciled in starters are ready to make that next step (Goff, Sintim). I think bringing in Rolle then drafting Spoon would be a good move of giving Fewell some possible answers on defense. From there we are looking at who available gives us the best possible answers across the team.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just dont see how some people have so much faith in Goff, i cant picture him as a solid starter and i would definatly perfer to have spoon instead. oh and after watching some film on joesph I like him as a choice for the giants but i have read that he is more a third round pick than a 4th

by #56 4life on Mar 20, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Goff

That’s why I’m picking Spoon :) I was just saying I’ve had other folks tell me “it’s not a hole”, so I say fine, it’s a big question mark then.

Joseph might creep up to the third. It gets pretty dicey trying to project the further you get into the draft. It’s a lot easier to make calls about who you expect to be a 1st vs a 2nd than it is to do 3rd vs 4th. Just so many variables come into play at that point. The main reason I see the potential to get Joseph in the 4th is the fact that he is sen as pretty much only a rotational player and even thugh he has the size he doesn’t have the game style for 3-4 NT. The number of teams transitioning to the 3-4 is going to really drive up the value of anyone that can play 3-4 NT (Terrance Cody, Cam Thomas). I think some casual observers peg Joseph as a 3-4 NT based just on size, but I’m not sure teams will do that.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha same thing with me

I like the rest of the picks other than Gerhart. I’m not a fan of big backs, IMO the best backs are the balanced ones like Tate and Hardesty.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Gerhart is more than just a big back

If you watch Gerhart play you’ll quickly realize that just tagging him as just another big back is a mistake. The guy actually has really good feet and does an incredible job finding creases. He’s also not only a north-south restricted runner. Stanford sent him off the edge and on sweeps where he was also succssful. Gerhart had a better college career than guys like Tate or Hardesty. Also, when talking about balance, Gerhart brings somehting most all other rookie backs don’t, blocking. We have no 3rd down back, Gerhart fills that hole.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

but then how do we know that he CAN be a 3rd down back? most of the time they are the smaller guys that can outrun the linebackers in space

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 20, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the time they are guys that can be counted on to be smart enough and tough enough to pickup the blitz. Catching is secondary to that for a 3rd down back. Would it make you feel better that Gerhart averaged 14.3 yards per catch (that would be good enough for a first down)?

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Jacobs is not a very good blocker. He has the size, but not the recognition skills or the proper technique..

by bigblue777 on Mar 21, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you're going playmaker...

with the running back, I really don’t see a pick that early either. I’m also not as high on Weatherspoon as you are, meaning I think he’d be a nice pickup, but like a lot of other nice pickups, I think he’s a reach at #15 and and too good to be there in the second round. I’m guessing McClain is about a 33% chance to drop down to us at #15, there are other options, though not at the MLB position. I just see the Giants in the lucky position of having the #15 pick in a year where there’s a good chance that at least three of the players (need based drafting) taken ahead of them, won’t be top 15 prospects, which should mean that we get a shot at one or more of the top dozen players in the draft. I see Weatherspoon a tad behind that front dozen, but if Reese agrees with you and wants him, I’m not gonna have a hissy fit about it. Drafting a center I don’t have a problem with, particularly if he can fill in elsewhere for awhile as the position is currently well filled. Joseph, who knows where he’s gonna go, he may or may not be there for round four. Overall, I’ll be surprised if the Giants use two of their top three picks on offense, but we’re all guessing and it’s what Reese & Company want, and what’s available that matters. Now if you told me we COULD get Weatherspoon in the second, I’d get excited about it, but in the first, it’s more of a yeah, we could do that, who else is still out there, though I realize that McClain or Weatherspoon have a need basis advantage, all things being equal. I’d love to see us get a BIG body DT as well, though I wouldn’t be surprised to see OT as higher on the radar than RB, rightly or not. I’d agree that our offensive backs are walking wounded questionmarks, but I see that at 3/4’s of the defensive line, LB and S as well. Anyway, it’s easy to nitpick and you’ve taken the time and the courage to put your ideas out, and I’m more tossing thoughts than trying to pick a bone. I just wish we’d get to it and KNOW what we got already.

by Cranky50 on Mar 19, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Unless they really like Spoon at Mike

I dunno about that. He’s a lot like Darryl Washington who’d probably be there in the 2nd.

I like Gerhart too…that’s just too early for him. He’s a 3rd rounder and I think Ben Tate’s got more potential

I like Tennant

Linval Joseph is gigantic, meaning he’s not going to last 4 rounds given the ridiculous combine he had. Out of basically any DT slipping to the Giants, I like him the best and I think that in the third he’s more likely

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Most evaluators would disagree with you

You are going to find a tough time finding a talent evaluator that is going to agree with your assessment that Weatherspoon and Washington are the same caliber of player. Weatherspoon blew up the combine and his pro days which forced people to go back and look at his tape. After doing so he has been quickly moving up draft boards and is now getting projected to the Giants at 15 on mocks. Washington sits as a 2nd round projection, no change. Washington is a Will only, Spoon can play the Mike. You have to remember Spoon has played at a higher weight than he currently is (he was at 250 lbs at one point), so he can bulk back up if need be.

If I thought we could get Gerhart in the 3rd I’d look at it, but again if you look around at his real value he is going in the 2nd. Gerhart is far and away a better back than Tate. Gerhart was more productive in college and is a better blocker.

I think Joseph will be there in the 4th because he is huge, but doesn’t currently play like it. He has the size to play the 3-4 NT, but not the play style. He penetrates more than he consumes blockers, which is good for a 4-3 but bad for a 3-4. Nose tackles are going to get over valued if they fit the 3-4 because of the number of teams making a transition. Since Joseph doesn’t fit that bill he won’t be overvalued.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the joseph assesment

But i gotta think someone (a 34 team) still reaches for him, even to play some end in that scheme especially since he can penetrate when needs be.

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

As DE

Yes, I could see a 3-4 team looking at him as a potential DE. They just don’t tend to reach for DE like they do NT because there are a lot more guys that can play the DE spot.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If my actuall assessment was that Weatherspoon = Washington...then I'd disagree with myself before I even said it.

I didn’t say that.

“they’re the same player” meaning they played in a 4-2-5 style scheme, yet both played the “Mike” in their system. Does that translate…it could.

That’s why I dunno about Spoon. He could be that. He’s probably be better off as a Will cuz that’s what his spot translates too.

I said I like Gerhart. But if we’re talking about Nate Allen in the 2nd and Ben Tate in the fourth, I go for that.

Linval Joseph plays a lot like Fred Robbins, actually. He played off tackle, cuz with Jay Ross as the NT at ECU, that’s his spot.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Nate Allen pick is less likely do to the addition of Antrel Rolle through free agency. Rolle and Phillips are slotted as our starterr. Johnson is our backup, Brown is our in the box, and We’ve got a young kid in development too. I have more questions regarding RB than S at this point. I will be looking to add some secondary depth in my draft, but that will come in part 2.

I value Gerhart highly in a large part to his value as a 3rddown back, which is a major issue for us currently. He has great hands, runs good routes out of the backfield, and is the best pass blocking back in the draft. Pass protection is what most rookie back really struggle with. I don’t think there is any other back that we could draft that would be able to immediately step in on 3rd downs. That to me means Gerhart is a good value in the 2nd round. Let me ask this, who is our 3rd down back and why?

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ideally it would be Andre Brown

I know in theory Gerhart can catch. He’s an athlete, a baseball player (OF for Stanford) so he probably can do it.

But 25 catches in the past 2 seasons..I dunno where exactly your pulling out of that Gerhart runs good routes and can catch.

One of my biggest concerns..and really, I think Eli could’ve have a whole lot better, or at least more efficient, of a season was if he had a back that could slip out and catch the ball. I really think he would’ve been that much better if he had say…..Tiki, back there.

Gerhart is basically a clone of Jacobs minus about 5 inches in height, which is probably a good thing…but we got the big fella still. Unless we’re trading Jake…then I’d rather have a better all around back.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 20, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andre Brown

Andre Brown is actually why I make the Gerhart pick. The Andre Brown draft indicated to me that the Giants are concerned about a 3rd down back. Andre Brown I think was drafted to be that player, but he ruptured his achilles. From what I understand about that injury is that for a runningback he may never actually get back from it. Last year proved that the other backs on the roster just don’t cut it. If I was confident Brown would be 100% healthy I would not be looking to draft a RB here, maybe not at all.

Being able to slip out and catch a ball is important, but my biggest concern for a 3rd down back is blocking. We need a smart tough back that can recognize the blitz and block it up to keep Eli standing. Jacobs and Bradshaw failed at this (it was Ward’s job before he left). Do you remember the game with the shot of Eli smacking Bradshaw and pointing at the blitzer after Eli had gotten leveled? The frustration in Eli’s face summed up how I felt about our season.

Gerhart is much more than a clone of Jacobs. He has better feet, is more elusive, and is far better at finding cracks and seams. Jacobs needs a gapping hole to run through. Jacobs is great once he hits the second level but he can’t weed through a line for his life. Gerhart is also a much better blocker and reciever. The Stanford system didn’t use the back as a reciever much, but he looked good when he did and looked natural doing it during positional drills. Check around various scouting sites and you’ll see I’m not alone in discussing Gerhart’s qualities in this realm of the game. Honestly, part of the reason for wanting Gerhart is to have the luxury of letting Jacobs go. He was below pedestrian last year. If he is looking like that again it would be nice to be able to unload his large salary in the uncapped year.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's less likely due to the Rolle signing...

but it’s still a decent move. First Allen is a heck of a player. Second, Phillips hasn’t started running, much less playing on his knee. The reports thusfar are hopeful and positive and I hope they continue that way, but it’s hardly a guarantee. Further, even if Phillips were back and 100%, we’d be one injury away from being back to one proven safety. This could be mitigated by Ross, but Ross isn’t exactly a lock to be available and playing himself. And if Philips doesn’t come back fully, or close to it we would have a need as well.

by Cranky50 on Mar 21, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I think we can leave the racism out of the conversation. Unfortunately there are far too many people that wil sell a player like Gerhart short because they have a warped perception of reality where skin color somehow dictates how good of a player you can be.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am very far from a racist, being PR and white i have ridden both sides of the fence..

but i respect your post all the same. but ,really i have too think long and hard too come up with a white RB that has been worth a 1st or 2nd rd pick. and please dont say hodgey…… warped perception , maybe but not that fare off base , if u look at the #s.it just seems like the 1 position on the football field that whites do not excel in…just pointing out the obvious ,not racist

by Troy O on Mar 20, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to agree with Troy here

Nothing racist at all, I’m a white guy but they aren’t in the majority of quality running backs. I wouldn’t mind Toby in the 3rd but Blount could be around still in rounds 4-5.

by wangstu13 on Mar 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone has to start the trend

At one time there were no african american QBs. QBs were white that’s just how it was. Young african americans were told don’t bother playing QB, that position is for the white children. It had to take some pioneer players and pioneer owners and GMs to take those players to start the trend that yes african americans could play QB. We have the same situation with runningbacks right now. Let’s be honest the majority of ownership and management in the NFL is old men that can be get stuck in a rigid line of thought. As original owners are starting to pass and new ownership and management is coming into the league we are going to see a lot more acceptance at every position for every race (including staff positions). To me saying you can’t have a white RB is no less backwards thinking and racist than saying you can’t have an african american QB. I’m sorry but the fact that you are white saying a white guy can’t do something because of his skin color doesn’t stop it from being racist in my eyes. You are still basing someone’s quality on their race rather than any of the evidence regarding their ability to play the position at a high level.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im just pointing out an obvious fact..do with it what you will.

Im interested in your take of why it is this way . Black QBs have been going strong for 25 years. White RBs run ramped in high school. but cant break the line up in college,They are not being dissuaded from runnin the rock. but are unable too make the leap too the NFL.i mean i have heard of learning curves but dam…Again stating the facts…..And it is eresponsible of u too think you know me well enough too call me racist………I just was able too say what every one else was thinking.And if you weren’t thinking it,well then your just not that perceptive ….

by Troy O on Mar 20, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I implied majority of RBs

I would prefer someone like Blount later is all. I never said he wouldn’t be a good player because he’s white, I just feel a 2nd is too early for us to take him.

by wangstu13 on Mar 21, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has there...

been a good white CB since Jason Seahorn? I don’t think you could find one white cornerback on any NFL roster today.

1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and keep Dorsey

by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 21, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved Seahorn

That dude was one of my favs when he played.

by bigblue777 on Mar 22, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a CB

but Reed Doughtry SS for the skins is pretty good and white IIRC

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 22, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Draft

I have some of the obvious gripes though, we need a RB but no where near the second round, I like Toby but not that early and not the type of back i think we need (could be wrong tho). Weatherspoon is a solid #1 pick although i think Price has more value i can see your logic and his intagibles make him ideal for the Giants. I disagree with the part where you said other potenial backers only fit one spot but that pick is justified if he plays Mike. I love the tennant pick although i dont hink we need someone who can necessarily play guard and center especially since we will still have richie seubert, he had a bad year but is still a great backup or sub in max protect. As for joeseph, if we can get him in the 4th i say go for it but as Free stated I think his combine puts him at a higher value……. I would probably take joeseph before tennant because he kind of goes hand in hand with weatherspoon because of spoon size, i dont care how strong he is he is going to need a big DT in front of him at the next level so he can play in space along with boley. In my draft spoon and joeseph were both audibles because they have to go together IMO……good picks all in all, the 2nd round RB thing is the only one that had me like whoa!

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Spoon's size

Spoon at one point in college was playing at 250 lbs, so he can be bigger than his combine weight if need be. However, I don’t think he actually needs to be. A lot of people get hung up on a specific minimum weight for certain linebacker spots. I think that logic is being outdated by modern NFL offenses. Spoon lost the weight because he found he could be more athletic at a lower wieght (obviously) and that as far as playing linebacker it was more beneficial to be athletic than big. I’d have to agree with him on that. I don’t think that Spoon would need the kind of DT protection that everyone assumes just because of weight.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That logic is outdated

until an O lineman gets to the second level………I dont care who you are or what size you are you will get washed if that happens but shorter guys (not necessarily weight) need to have a stout guy in front of them thats why ray lewis begged for Ngata to be drafted (34 is diff i know) but same goes for why haynesworth made Fletcher who is already great even better, The Giants do alot of A gap blitzing which is a primary blitz function of a mike backer, i just would rather a big guy in front of spoon in that scenario otherwise they are going to eat him up.

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 20, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

3-4 vs 4-3

3-4 is built on the theory of big lineman that consume blockers to allow linebackers to come through clean. 4-3 tends to have 1 gap responsibilities. Haynesworth as 2 gap is a waste of his natural talents. Spoon blitz effectively in college. I have no worries that he can blitz the A gap. Guys like McClain may have some nice behind the line stats, but he was very protected in that 3-4 scheme.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We see it differently

To me a LB is more protected in the 43, thats why you can afford to have smaller ones like boley……a 34 exposes LB’s to me because they are epected to take on guards and O linemen as part of their natural job description. With that being said i think spoon can as well but the point is to make a players job easier when you can and a bigger body infront of someone of his stature would be good for him.

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you are mixing together some concepts for me. One is protected vs. unprotected, and one is what you are asked to do via the system.

In a 3-4 the ILBs are asked to get through the line and make plays in the backfield on the ball carrier. That means by system they are asked to do something that is more likely to cause them to interact with a lineman. However, because the system is asking this of the ILBs it has added protection. There are three large men in front of those ILBs whose job is not to get into the backfield and make plays but instead to occupy the lineman so the the ILB can make plays. An ILB on a good 3-4 with good lineman in front of him is going to get a lot of clean shots through the line because his lineman are keeping the center and guard plenty busy.

In a 4-3 the MLB does not get the same level of protection from his lineman. The lineman in a 4-3 are generally assigned a single gap and they are expected to penetrate that gap. In a 4-3 the lineman should be making most of the plays behind the line of scrimmage not the MLB. Because the lineman are penetrating into the backfield they aren’t focusing on just keeping the center and guards busy and off their linebackers, so the MLB is less protected in a 4-3. However, he isn’t being asked to do all the work behind the line that a 3-4 ILB is being asked to do. Instead he needs to read run or pass and either get into coverage or flow with the play to stop up the runningback when he hits the hole.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can get a guy like Blount (Oregan) in round 4-5.

That would be a steal. Just like how Manningham dropped to us.

by wangstu13 on Mar 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Gerhart

For those hating on Gerhart, I want you to look at the following quote from fftoolbox. Go ahead to their site and look at how they originally talked about Gerhart. I picked this site because they originally were very down on Gerhart giving him the same write off without further investigation that many have. The after the combine they had to rethink that evaluation:

3/3 Update: Gerhart proved at the NFL Combine that he is right in the mix with some of the other running backs in this class. He delivered a 4.53 40 and that was huge with many considering him a pure power back. He is not a playmaker like C.J. Spiller or Jahvid Best, but he is a running back who can take some hits. The same cannot be said for Spiller or Best. In the end, Gerhart should be a late first round or early second round selection and be right in there with Jonathan Dwyer and Ryan Mathews when running backs start flying off the board late in the first round.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Gerhart...

1st or 2nd round RB’s like Jarrod Bunch, Tyrone Wheatley, Joe Montgomery and Ron Dayne give me nightmares.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dayne does leave a lingering sour

Maybe a fresh good runningback pick washes that taste out?

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiki, Jacobs, AB and Derrick Ward have been fine.

Its the who questionable speed college power back thing

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 20, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gerhart ran a 4.53 40, that’s fairly decent for speed.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know...

and he did all his drills very well too.

Its just, I dunno that we’re sticking with that 2008 offense of 3 backs running for well over 2000yds.

I think with Eli, and all these passing weapns..he needs a back that can do something.

I think the offense is evolving and another back like Toby…gonna be stagnant.

Jacobs is enough.

Eli needs a Tiki back there. Who is that? Well…Spiller and Best have elite hands, and Spiller’s a pretty good blocker, so there ya go.

Master of the squeegee

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the offense changes

You are correct, my pick is obsolete. I guess I just hope that it isn’t changing that much. I’m a sucker for old school smash mouth power running offenses and the play action pass game built from that. I know Gilbride has a lot of history in the Run n’ Shoot and now he has the recieving corps to get more pass happy. That means you could be right, things could be changing.

If we are talking Spiller vs. Best there is no comparison. Best will get broken by the NFL.

by bigblue777 on Mar 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get what your saying...

tho I’ll disagree on Jahvid Best. Only reason he got hurt was by his own doing. Best has that ability, similar to Spiller, to miss tackles or to avoid the big hit when he’s getting tackled.

Best, in that 2nd round..to me would be a better pick in that round over Gerhart

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gerhart is a fine RB

Just not in the 2nd round of this years draft for us, if RB was a 1st or 2nd round need then we should be working out a deal to move up and grab spiller if needs be. why not just go for the consensus #1 since it is in reach if we are going to draft a RB that high?, we had the injury bug and we do need help at the position but i would fix the line before i take a RB that high but its your pick and the way you would do things. I just think this RB class is deeper than meets the eye and we can find a good one later.

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 20, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Spiller isn't a consesus for me

I don’t rate Spiller as high as most. I think he would be great for a West Coast offense where the back is more reciever than runner, but I don’t think he is well suited to our power running offense. I suppose you could go under the theory of changing the offense, but I like the good ole power O.

by bigblue777 on Mar 20, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Spiller because of the many options he could give our offense and ST

KR/PR/RB/WR Talk about versatility. He could improve the screen game immensely as well as special teams. He scored 51 TDs in four years. 32 rushing, 11 receiving 8 in the return game. He’s a big threat score in the return game. We could use something like that. Seems every team is getting a game changer except ours. Let’s get a burner somewhere in this draft. Might as well get the guy who’s proven he’s the truth the last four years.

by wangstu13 on Mar 21, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The colts don’t have a “burner”. Neither did the 2007 pats or 80s 49er teams.

Reggie Bush had 1 more TD than our very own Bradshaw did last year.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mclaren

You have to be sick of Desean Jackson burning us for long TDs. I know I am. I just feel we can get an explosive playmaker for Eli and turn our offense into a juggernaut.

by wangstu13 on Mar 22, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ham can do the same type of stuff as Jackson

The bigger issue is stopping Jackson rather than trying to clone him

by bigblue777 on Mar 22, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You care about how the touchdowns look, I care about the Touchdowns

as far as I see it Nicks is a 12-15 touchdown a year talent, Manningham is an 8-10 touchdown a year talent, Smith is a 8-12 touchdown a year talent, Boss is a 6-8 touchdown a year talent so i dont know how exactly you want your playmakers to look but these guys are just as epxplosive in there own way. Maybe they dont look like Jackson but the can score just as much or more, dont be misled by the looks of things.

But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!

by Blue Gates on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Big Blue View is the best independent site on the Internet for year-round news and discussion about the New York Giants.

Community Guidelines

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Hakeem_nicks_compartment_syndrome_leg_injury_small
State of the Union - The End.
Landeta_small
All Time Giants Super Bowl Team
Arqamaca-p218897_small
Congratulations From a Raiders Fan
Hakeem_nicks_compartment_syndrome_leg_injury_small
The Jerry Reese Game! v2012
Nyxlvi_small
Do people not realize how good Osi is?

Recent FanPosts

I_bring_it_2_small
Official "Things-you-can't-spell-without-Eli" Comedy Thread
Usf_logo_small
The JR Bandwagon!
Small
First moves?
Img_0245_small
Playoffs Fuhgeddabout it...
Snv30403_small
Rest In Peace, Whitney
1bradshaw_small
Jeremy Lin = Victor Cruz
Jjones_small
How the three man rush saved the Giants season

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Get Your Giants' Gear

160x600_ny_giants_medium


Editor-In-Chief

Ed_valentine_2_small Ed Valentine

Editors

Small brisulph

Authors

Mike_farley_small Mike Farley

Meme2_small Sean Kerr