BBV Community Mock Draft: With 11th pick, Broncos select ...
by Ed Valentine on Mar 19, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintRolando McClain, LB, Alabama.
Playing the role of GM for Denver, 'NYG_Slater' understands completely that -- at least for this mock draft -- he has just broken the hearts of New York Giants fans.
He writes:
Sorry, fellow Giant fans, please take McClain off your boards. Now, let me try and explain why he won’t slip past Denver in the 2010 NFL Draft.
To begin, let’s go through what positions the Broncos could address with the firstir-round pick:
- They have a hole in their interior offensive line due to the release of Wiegmann (C) and Hochstein’s (G) injury late last season.
- They could look for a replacement (or complement) for Brandon Marshall.
- They could look for help to fix a defensive front seven that collapsed at the end of the year.
- They could try and get younger in the secondary (all 4 of their starting DBs are over 30).
- Lastly, by releasing Andra Davis they have a big vacancy at ILB.
To address their interior line, Denver will take a hard look at Mike Iupati (G) and Maurkice Pouncey (G/C). However, both are reaches at No. 11. Furthermore, Pouncey might be available in Round 2 and other alternatives like Ducasse (G) and Asamoah (G) will be available. Essentially, there is enough OL depth in this year's class to provide Denver with a quality prospect(s) after Round 1.
As for drafting a WR, Dez Bryant is the only practical choice, but he’s off the board. Even if he was available, Denver has had private workouts with WR Mardy Gilyard and Dexter McCluster, and I believe they may look to draft a WR in rounds 3-5.
I also think Denver will avoid drafting a defensive lineman at No. 11 since they have signed: DT Justin Bannan, DE Jarvis Green and NT Jamal Williams in free agency.
As for fresh legs for the secondary, the only players deserving of the 11th pick were Berry and Haden. Since both are off the board, the pick is obvious.
Denver will take McClain and never look back. He is the perfect marriage between need and value for Denver. He is also, without a doubt, the best linebacker in the draft and has a skill set best utilized in a 3-4 at ILB. He has all the physical attributes you’d look for, and has all the intangibles you’d want in your defensive captain. Additionally, he fills the big vacancy left by the (surprising) release of Andra Davis, and gives Don Martindale (their new DC and former LB coach) an elite ILB to build around.
My take: I hate you 'Slater.' I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. I think everyone here hates you, too. You are BANNED!! Geez, my job is hard enough around here and now you actually are forcing me to WORK to figure out who to pick for the Giants at 15. Did I mention I hate you, and you're banned? I'm just kidding. About the banning part, anyway.
This, incidentally, is a terrific pick for the Broncos and there is a very realistic chance that this is the move Denver will actually make in the real draft this April.
And I still hate you, 'Slater.'
Remember, to read explanations for earlier picks, please click the highlighted player names in the table below.
'Sunlion333' is up next with the Miami Dolphins selection.
| POS | TEAM | PLAYER | POS | SCHOOL | DRAFTER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | St. Louis | Sam Bradford | QB | Oklahoma | Soldier_ |
| 2 | Detroit | Ndamukong Suh | DT | Nebraska | soulpower |
| 3 | Tampa Bay | Gerald McCoy | DT | Oklahoma | i_formation27 |
| 4 | Washington | Russell Okung | OT | Oklahoma State | G Fan in England |
| 5 | Kansas City | Eric Berry | S | Tennessee | ronjohnson |
| 6 | Seattle | Jimmy Clausen | QB | Notre Dame | CCE718 |
| 7 | Cleveland | Dez Bryant | WR | Oklahoma State | GreatGatsby |
| 8 | Oakland | Bruce Campbell | OT | Maryland | Hoyadestroya85 |
| 9 | Buffalo | Dan Williams | DT | Tennessee | The Greek |
| 10 | Jacksonville | Joe Haden | CB | Florida | jp2y |
| 11 | Denver | Rolando McClain | ILB | Alabama | NYG_Slater |
| 12 | Miami | sunlion333 | |||
| 13 | San Francisco | RIPShea | |||
| 14 | Seattle | CCE718 | |||
| 15 | N.Y. Giants | Ed Valentine | |||
| 16 | Tennessee | Jason?? | |||
| 17 | San Francisco | RIPShea | |||
| 18 | Pittsburgh | ross_stephen | |||
| 19 | Atlanta | daddyzander | |||
| 20 | Houston | BitterEli | |||
| 21 | Cincinnati | Woogie526 | |||
| 22 | New England | Ryan Valentine | |||
| 23 | Green Bay | Dan Luibil | |||
| 24 | Philadelphia | Bye Dawk | |||
| 25 | Baltimore | Larry Soprano | |||
| 26 | Arizona | Snipah | |||
| 27 | Dallas | pataroons | |||
| 28 | San Diego | hakeemthedream | |||
| 29 | N.Y. Jets | Brooklyn58 | |||
| 30 | Minnesota | hurikaine | |||
| 31 | Indianapolis | Charles L. | |||
| 32 | New Orleans | GiantsReignSupreme |
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Good pick. Simply the logical one with what's already off the board.
CJ Spiller was a really good option here as well, but this is the best possible pick, considering.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Giants trade up
give up thier 15 and a 3rd rounder…denver get alil younger faster
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Mar 19, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed was so upset...
He didn’t put the poll in ‘-D Actually can’t get real upset with the pick from a realistic point of view. Though it would be “helpful” if he fell somewhat further back. Besides, if Slater wouldn’t have taken him, there was a decent chance someone else would before #15 anyways. Good pick, though hopefully the Broncos will go elsewhere when it’s time.
I'm still upset
Why the heck did I let ‘Slater’ in this thing, anyway?
by Ed Valentine on Mar 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Slater, you're still more popular here....
than jp2y is in New Orleans after refering to the Super Bowl Champion Colts!
would have been 100% no
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by Plaxico Burress on Mar 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah....II just voted yes...
cause you gotta give the devil his due, even if he takes McClain from you.
its def a good pic for denver cant argue that
im jus pretty sure its consensus around these parts that we want mcclain at 15
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Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted Suh at #15...
and a cute young redhead nympho that owns a liquor store and a Godiva chocolate shop and would like to support a cranky old man in the style he’d like to become accustomed to……but wanting and getting aren’t always the same thing….UNFORTUNATELY :-(
lol dont we all
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Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 19, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe...
tho, while even if here’s there…one of Bulaga, Williams or Tony Davis will be there at #15, as will Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham and Earl Thomas.
What those that think I actually would draft Spiller over most of these dudes seem to read over…is the BPA thing, which means best player availble.
Right now…I’d put the Giants board at
Bulaga
Williams
Morgan/Graham (really can’t decide)
Spiller
Thomas (only because there safety depth in the draft, and the Giants signed Rolle)
Anthony Davis.
….so it looks like Bulaga, Willams, Morgan and Graham…are all on the board. Basically, that leaves Spiller off of it.
…so we’re getting one. I’d choose Spill
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Board
I think Price is in their too especially if we adopt some Tampa Two schemes.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
realistically
the Broncos are the most favorite to select our Rolando mcclain..
If the Broncos see money with CJ Spiller and they let Mcclain slip at this pick..then Im optimistic that the next picks will not be nameb McClain and the Giants will select the MLB of our future.. hopefully that is the case.
But we will learn more with the weeks leading up to the draft. :- /
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Why would the Broncos draft Spiller?
They already drafted Moreno at the same spot last year.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks the Giants signed an Aussie league Punter, Sy Bond..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Booooooooo!!!
i thought for sure we would let rolando fall to 15 jus to make us all giddy
makes perfect sense tho and is probly what denver will do.. unfortunatly :(
Ed your job is a lot harder now haha.. spoon? spiller? price? thomas? lol big decision!
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by Plaxico Burress on Mar 19, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
I have my own thoughts
I may put up a poll to see what you guys think. But, if I do I make no promises to follow the majority opinion.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 19, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be a good POLL..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
that really would be a good poll
id be very interested to see who everyons favorite is around BBV with Ro gone
Lawyer: Peter, Sarah has decided to press sexual harrasssment charges against you.
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by Plaxico Burress on Mar 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
no poll
Nah Ed don’t make a poll. Just take Taylor Mays and start the biggest flame war these boards have seen in a while.
I will guarantee you
that the pick will not by Taylor Mays.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Im leery of him as well!
but i will tell you, he has a chip on his shoulder and appearently he was not coached up to cover, from what i have heard he played exactly how they asked him too so i think he will be better at covering than we think. I see Dallas taking him and us having to deal with that animal for years to come.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
This is realistic
Denver has this guy in their sites all though i will admit Josh McDaniel’s is a little crazy with some of his decisions, i think this is the way they go. Giants fans shouldnt hold their breaths because there are a couple teams that may pull the McClain trigger. San fran may do it and have the most illegal interior backers in the country come sept.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Spiller?
Didn’t Denver take Knowshon Moreno at #12 last year? I highly doubt they would think of drafting Spiller at #11 the following year.
I Am Tobikan Judan
is that you in ur pic?
if so.. awesome tat
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Peter: Sarah...Is that the one we video taped taking a dump?
by Plaxico Burress on Mar 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what would have the 'NO' voters done?
or are the ‘NO’ votes just in denial and kinda cranky?
I think the only people they ‘might’ take over McClain are
1) Berry
2) Iupati (but like i said they get better draft value by taking McClain at 1 and a OL at 2)
3) Bryant (only if they deal marshall)
Dan Williams is most likely the Broncos pick
other then that…McClain’s probably the man.
Mike Iupati would be a surprise pick.
Other then that, and given that I doubt they trade Marshall…..McClain’s basically the pick if no Dan Williams.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
still think there taking Dan eh
even with picking up Williams and Bannan?
Those pickups suggested to me they might not be that high on NT prospects.
Williams is a stopgap, I doubt it plays into Dan Williams being drafted
If the Broncos were smart, they’d let Jamal teach Dan all he knows.
Justin Bannan is NOT a NT either, he’s a 3-4 DE. He may have lined up at NT at times with the Ravens, but that’s the Ravens, they have some crazy schemes (Ngata lines up at MLB sometimes….)
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Iupati is too raw
He got chewed up at the senior bowl but he will be very good, Dan Williams is my pick for them as well even though they just got Jamaal williams but he won’t last long.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Tat
Yes it’s me, got it done right before the Tampa Bay playoff game in 2007, with no clue they would wind up winning it all that year!
I’m actually originally from central PA, everybody here is a Seagulls fan, and I just couldn’t stand it. Saw the ‘86 Giants when I was 6 and have been hooked ever since. I imagine I am not alone here, but let’s just say:
Booze + Eagles fan + Me = Citation
I Am Tobikan Judan
I just gotta ask . . .
I feel your pain. Really I do. There has been a lot of discussion about how most people on BBV DON’T want to trade up, even to get a talent like McClain. If this is how you feel on draft day when McClain goes to Seattle or Denver don’t you think we might want to give serious consideration to moving up to get the guy? How often is such a strong consensus reached on a single player on a site like ours? Of course this might be all academic if the Giants don’t feel the same way we do, but if they do, I hope they have the cajones to pull the trigger and get McClain. Trade up to #10, if he’s still there, give up the 3rd rounder and be happy we got our defensive leader for the next 10 years! He’d be the QB of the defense. Isn’t someone like him worth a 3rd?
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
Nope.
not at all, I’m kidding with the “noooo!”. I’ve long since re-signed to that we aint getting him. Look at the board. Bulaga, Williams, Morgan, Graham, THomas, Spiller.
MLB can be gotten later. These 4 players are elite. What if that MLB of the future is in the third round? Someone like Chaney? Pat Angerer?
Wouldn’t Bulaga or Williams, an elite RT AND the QB of our defense be better then that?
2 players is better then one. We ain’t that desperate for a MLB….
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
god if
bulaga was there at 15….even with Beatty projected at LT next year….i’d feel compelled to s anag hm
Yeah but..
If Bulaga, Morgan and Graham were all on the board…who is the BPA out of that group in Reese’s eyes? If we go BPA based on need then Bulaga is our guy. It’s a tough call though.
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that we need an O-tackle to start in 2010
But Osi/Kiwi/Tuck(Morgan or Graham) is more of a luxury than Will, David D. and Bulaga
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 19, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If Bulaga is there and McClain is gone....
Why not trade down and let somebody who needs a LT pay us for that pick? Our only big need is MLB, so why not get some more picks and take a good player (this is a very deep draft) with a better value?
that's an option
I wouldn’t do that.
“Need” at MLB probably is overblown. I’d rather they shore up the position…but not at the expense of potentially creating DOMINANT Bookends with Bulaga and Beatty.
Bulaga is probably better off at RT anyway, which would play right into the Gints hands.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be great
Bulaga is the most likely bust tackle in the draft and we could get good value if we trade with someone like the packers.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point...
It will depend how highly they value McClain. Jerry Reese’s track record so far shows us he values draft picks and will not give them up easily. He has shown he can identify talent in later rounds. Personally I would not trade a 3rd to move a few spots for McClain. We need depth.
I Am Tobikan Judan
exactly
and what if McClain has a Clint Sintim like rookie year? You know…injured? Sintim is a very talented player, just needs a chance to play healthy.
I trust JR’s draft picks. I don’t trust our training staff to keep em healthy, but that’s another thing.
I’d be real disappointed if JR traded up, even if McClain turns out to be a good player. I’d rather have 2 good players then one.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you credit
‘Free’ you’ve been very consistent, and have a few good points. I also have a lot of confidence in JR picking in the middle to late rounds to find the diamonds in the rough. I’m just concerned that MLB is not a position of great depth in this draft, and what if the guys you mentioned, Cheney or Angerer (great name btw) etc. are gone by the time we start looking for MLBs. I’m just not very confident that Goff can fill the bill, especially if he’s not pushed by some competent competition.
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
Donald Butler
Darryl Sharpton, Phillip Dillard.
I’ll even throw Sean Lee out there.
If anyone’s on the Sean Weatherspoon bandwagon…they might as well put themselves on the Darryl Washington wagon too…cuz they’re exactly the same player except Washington’s 10lbs lighter.
There’s plenty of depth at MLB. Plenty.
I doubt Angerer, Chaney or Butler…basically my 3 ideal targets in the middle rounds, are all off the board by the 3-4 range.
The whole league is going to the 3-4, and really none of these guys are logical fits in a 3-4.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew I'd stir up some crap mentioning Spiller
That’s all it was. Denver needs depth with Buckhalter being injury prone, but not a 1st round need. With QB issues and the Marshall debacle there are no realistic picks left in that department. McClain was the only realistic choice.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
But then again
I would be happy with ’Free’s first 3 choices. I think Bulaga, Williams or Morgan would be good picks at 15. I also think getting an impact OL would be a great bang for the buck because with McKensie getting older, and injury prone, we could be in a lot of trouble if we have any more injury problems. Besides Beatty, who should be starting at LT, I think we’re pretty thin for OL depth. I think OL with our 1st pick would be O.K.
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
yea I think going BPA for round 1 might work out well this year
There are enough quality players at OT, DT, LB, and DB for the giants to go BPA. its BPA but also addresses a position we’re relativly weak at….can’t ask for a better situation.
I just saw that Spiller got ...
a “perfect 10” on the Wonderlic ! So, he’ll never grasp the rich complexity of the Killdrive offense …
Navorro Bowman, also mentioned by some on this board, got an 11. hmmmm.
wonderlic shmonderlic
we should poll every hall of famer (that is still living) and every pro bowler from the last 10 yrs and ask them there score, i bet it is not consitant with their performance.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Well, Marino got his number, a "13" ...
so there is that for all the shmonderlic-ers.
Vince Young got a “6” and he says he’ll be in the HOF.
Tell Vince the admission price to the HOF is still $13.50
That’s the only way he’s getting in.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
hate it
they already have a first round MLB on their team in DJ Williams, they like Woodyard as a nickle LB so that leaves McClain as a 2 down player for their scheme.
2-down player at #11?? I doubt it. Also remember that their offense was really bad last year, they will have a good look at Spiller.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
Denver uses a 3-4.....
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
DJ Williams is not a good run stopper.
McClain is.
And I doubt he’s a 2 down player, especially for Wesley Woodyard…
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
....
This would be their starting linebacking group
Dumervil – McClain – Williams – Ayers
This would their nickle package
Dumervil (pseudo DE) – Williams – Woodyard
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, if we're playing Madden.......
I doubt they take McClain off the field.
That is…unless they want teams like the Chiefs scoring 44pts on them and midgets like Jamaal Charles racking up 200+ yards on the ground
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, don't count the midgets out.
I’m a big guy. I’ve also got 17+ years in martial arts and have competed in MMA events.
I don’t mess with short guys. They’re friggin dangerous, their muscle beds are shorter, which lends itself to freakish strength. They’re also the shiftiest little f#@ks.
Maurice Jones-Drew can ruin any D Coordinators day on any team.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
sigh
I’d rather take my chances with Charles rather than Gates getting 200 yards receiving
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Standard nickel or 3-3-5?
I don’t know Denver’s defense well enough. In nickel packages are they playing a standard 4 man front nickel or do they play a 3-3-5 because hat changes what the lineback lineup looks like.
It's a mix between a standart nickel and 2-4-5
the 2 rush LB’s either put their hands in the dirt to make it a 4-2-5 or stay in the 2-point stance but still are likely to rush the QB but technically its a 2-4-5 package.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The 3-4 nickel looks alot like the 4-3 nickel
except their nickle back can be an OLB, S or CB, where it’s more likely not an OLB in the 4-3.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Depends on team
There is no “one” 3-4 nickel package. Different teams play different packages. Some teams are basically a 3-4 on run downs and play like a 4-3 for nickel and dime. Other teams play a 3-3-5 fo passign situations. Parcells had a mess of different packages including ones with only one or even no down lineman.
Haha true
You could have lined that guy up 40 ards off the ball and he’s still make a play on the QB!
really?
if they go offense i really doubt it’ll be spiller…
they have more pressing needs at Guard and dont have a legitimate center on the roster
Yeah
but you don’t take an interior lineman at 11
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
thats what i said in my analysis. its a reach and they have good prospects at that position in rd.2…all i meant is that if they’re looking for offensive help i think they go with the interior line before RB…
for round 1 McClain is a great replacement for the vacancy opened by releasing Andra davis..
I’ll bounce my post/pick off the friendly ppl at the Mile High Report.
Another player they are probably looking at is Earl Thomas
They got Dawkins but he can’t cover too well anymore and Thomas is a great prospect.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately the logic seems sound
I am impressed that the logic behind the choices to this point in pretty good. Drafters are doing their homework, well done.
This suggests that McClain will not fall as far as #15. If that is the case is there any way for the Giants to trade-up to catch him before before the Denver pick? or is the feeling that we should just take it on the chin and look elsewhere?
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works everytime.
The Jags are shopping their pick
That’s the latest we can go to ensure we get him if we want him.
Interestingly enough, there are murmurs to the fact that there is a plan to move up to take him. I can’t get a confirmation on this, but this could be more than a rumor.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Pick values
The Jags pick at #10 is valued at 1300 pts. The Giants pick at #15 is 1050 pts. The 250 pt difference is equivalent to a high 3rd round pick. Is this how it works?
http://www.mynfldraft.com/points.php
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works everytime.
That is the principle
but if you really want to trade you can go lower than that.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
JAX is motivated
There are a number of ways to do this, but the Jags have no second rounder and two thrid rounders. They are, ideally, looking for leverage to be able to move around, so our 3rd would probably work.
I got a little bit of grief for posting a glimpse of my mock with 3 trades involved in moving up for McClain, then trading down in the 2nd to regain a 3rd and trading down in the 4th to get an extra 5th. With this I got.
1. McClain
2. Lamarr Houston DT
3. Major Wright FS
4. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB/KR/PR
5. Andrew Tyshovnytsky OT
5. Deji Karim RB/KR/PR
6. Kevin Matthews OC/OG
7. Nate Byham TE(blocking)
I know that taking a 3 Technique that high is not the most desirable move, but the only reason Houston isn’t going in the 1st are off the field concerns, that are under control. He has the size to add bulk and is remarkably effective.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I'm not upset about this
In fact—and this may sound crazy to a lot of you—I don’t think I want the Giants to draft McClain. It’s not that I think he’s a bad prospect, because he’s great, but he isn’t suited to play the MIKE position in a 4-3 scheme. He doesn’t have the quickness or change-of-direction that a MIKE needs to cover a larger area of the field. In a 3-4, you have two ILBs, so they can split the field and don’t have to worry so much about being able to change direction.
And on top of that, Fewell wants more speed guys on defense to implement what he wants to do. Most of our LBs are slow and/or stiff (with the exception of Boley) already. McClain would work well as a SAM in a 4-3, but that’s about the extent of his capabilities for our scheme IMO. Let him go to a 3-4 defense where his skills can really be maximized. The Giants would be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole if they took McClain.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
Apparently you didn't watch McClain in the drills at his Pro Day
He looked smooth as silk and demonstrated impressive COD skills.
I completely disagree with your assessment and your claim of knowing what Fewell wants. I believe that I’m more in consensus with that opinion.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
No I didn't
But I’ve heard that his 20-yard shuttle and 3-cone drill times weren’t that great.
Obviously I don’t know exactly what Fewell wants and he’s promised to be adaptive, but it’s no secret that the Giants have been needing more athleticism at LB for a while now. McClain is generally regarded as a 3-4 ILB at the next level because he doesn’t display great range to where he could fit as a 4-3 MIKE. He’s a good fit at SAM though. Look at Dansby: yes, he was an ILB in Arizona’s 3-4, but before that, he was their SAM when they were in a 4-3, not the MIKE. McClain himself agrees that he’s a better fit as a 3-4 ILB.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
Agreed
This is why I’d rather have Weatherspoon. I think McClain would rather play in a 3-4 and would be better in a 3-4. I don’t know that McClain can be a 3 down Mike in a 4-3. He might cut it on pure run downs, but not nickel for me. Let’s also realize that in college he was protected by some monsters on the 3-4 line. He won’t have Cody gobbling up blockers in frot of him if he comes to NY to play Mike.
I don’t think it is even a debate that has to happen though because I thik this mock got it right. McClain is gone before 15. If he is there at 15 I’ll give the McClain fan club that he at least has to get serious consideration, but in no way do I see him as such a value that we must trade up for him.
Weatherspoon
I think he would be a great choice for us at 15. He seems like he would fit in well, and what he brings to the table as far as leadership goes is valuable to have as well. The Giants could at least use someone with his swagger in their LB corps, if nothing else.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
Fewell's
defense in Buffalo went into last year with Paul Posluzny as their MLB.
If you think Poz is more athletic then McClain, you’re mistaken.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But again, I just think the Giants would like to get someone with a little more athleticism at LB. It’s been an Achilles heel on defense for a few years. TEs and RBs have usually had a great degree of success against our LBs in recent years. In a league that is drifting more towards the air on offense, I think this is a general direction that a lot of teams will be going in. I just don’t see McClain as a 4-3 MIKE in the NFL.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
And I think all of this might be moot anyway
I can’t see how Denver passes on McClain, and I wouldn’t bet a lot of money on Reese moving up in the draft to take him. I would be shocked if he did.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
Probably is moot...
but while I agree, I like athleticism…lets not get mixed up with McClain and Pierce or Brandon Spikes.
McClain is a hell of an athlete. He’s probably more athletic then Demeco Ryans, the former Bama MLB who I’m sure anyone would want on the Giants if the cost wasn’t prohibitive.
The only way McClain will not be a 4-3 MLB in the NFL, and a solid player (only thing that will stop him is injury) is that he’d be drafted by a 3-4 team.
That’s it. He’s certainly athletic enough. He may not be as fast as a Patrick Willis or a Urlacher coming out of college, but I highly, highly doubt those 2 are smarter then McClain.
If your smart enough, you can play MLB in a 4-3 (Pierce). And McClain with 2 pulled hamstrings is more athletic then Pierce,
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
McClain has the smarts
I’m not questioning that. But going off what I’ve heard and read on sites like Walterfootball, it sounds like there are legit questions about his sideline-to-sideline range, which is something that can obviously be masked in a 3-4. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
I wouldn't put too much stock in what some of the sites say
Walt’s a really good guy and does alot of reasearch, but his analysis and judgement leave a little bit to be desired. He’s too much of a College Football fan to be objective at times.
4.41 in the short shuttle and 7.19 in the 3-cone are more than respectable numbers for a 4-3 MLB. His football IQ is off the charts.
I heard that a DC at the combine drew up an offensive alignment and asked Ro to make a read. He asked which team was it. The coaches looked at eachother before he explained that “with this team they tend to do this out of this formation unless the TE goes into motion….” he went on like this through every team they played last season.
The kid is Pierce with physical talent that is at the top of the MLB position. Hard to pass on that no matter 3-4 or 4-3. Pass on him and regret it for years.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Hey Ed, don't make us wait too long on the Phins pick.
It’s a friday. I know I’m going to take a drubbing so I don’t want to hold my chin out for too long.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Nobody will see it coming.
I put alot of work into it and even made some phone calls(several staff members were clients of mine and my ex-girlfriend). Also did a crapload of research.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Earl Thomas
i have no doubts about it
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a Minute
Roger Goodell is going back up to the podium. We have a trade between the New York Giants and Denver. The Giants have given the Broncos their first and fifth round picks for the rights to McClain. lol
GO NY GIANTS!!
As much as I'd like that
no team is trading picks with another team that wants the same player.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Looking back on the draft thus far
There might be a realistic way for McClain to drop.
I think we can agree that the Clausen to Hawks selection is antiqued by the whiterhurst move.
Let’s say they go OT at that spot to replace Walters. That drops clausen to Buffalo (very possible) and that drops williams to Denver (another very realistic selection). That leaves Rolando on the bored. The only other team i’d imagine to take a stab at McClain would be Miami. But they may go OLB (we’ll see wink surlion).
Somebody needs to talk Ed in from off of the ledge...
so we get to beat on sunlion for his Miami pick ;-D I had no idea that Ed was going to take missing out on McClain so seriously!
Rumor has it Ed was playing golf today
but went straight to the 19th hole
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
that IS better than the alternative. Should I cancel the A.P.B,, mediation squad and S.W.A.T. team? We were gonna try and get him off that ledge one way or another!
I wouldn't be surprised at all
if the Giants move up to grab him. Coughlin, Reece, and the LB coach at the Alabama Pro Day? I know there were other players working out but we brought the LB coach for a reason. And I know we have other needs for our roster, but MLB feels more like a HOLE! And, IMHO, McClain has a lot of intangibles that TC & JR would just love to have on the Giants defense. I think he’s special, and more importantly I have a feeling THEY think he’s special and worth moving up for. He’s not favorite on this site just because he tackles well. ANY MLB worth talking about has to tackle well. He’s got an extraordinary brain on his shoulders, a fantastic work ethic on and off the field, and leadership qualities our defense sorely missed this past year with all the injuries. I trust JR to make the right decision for the Giants, but for me, I hope its McClain.
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 20, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions
That Charlie Whitehearst trade
Could be huge for us. If Clausen slips to Buffalo we have a real good chance of McClain slipping to us.
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