Blue Gates Mock Pt.1 ( rounds 1-4)
by Blue Gates on Mar 19, 2010 11:06 AM EDT
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PrintThis Mock is based on the assumption that MLB Rolando MCclain has already been taken off the board, this would be the way I would draft and why. At the bottom of all of my picks are audibles, these audibles represent the player I would give high consideration to at that point in the draft, especially if my first pick has been drafted already. Your input is greatly appreciated.
With The 15th Pick in the 2010 NFL Draft The Giants Select: BRIAN PRICE (DT) UCLA
Brian Price is an absolute stud in the making in my opinion. He might be my 1st pick even if Rolando McClain falls to us, Price has one of the quickest first steps i have ever seen in my life for an interior lineman, he also has a knack for anticipating and perfectly timing the opposing Qb's snap count. Price is 6'2, 300lbs with amazing upper body strength and very active hands that allows him to keep linemen off of his body, price is intelligent and very diciplined in gap control, he also has a very high motor which he uses in his relentless pass rush. However, he will need to improve his run defense, he can get washed by bigger lineman but he is no where as bad against the run as people think, he needs to strengthen his base to match his upper body and he should be good to go after that. Price fits any scheme that the Giants 4-3 chooses to run! if it's a blitz scheme, thats right up his ally, if we go with more of a tampa two scheme then we have officially found our Warren Sapp. Tom coughlin and Jerry Reese will not be able to pass up on this high character guy with major upside who always plays up to his competition. Price will also get a chance to learn from some very good D linemen and will be singled up alot because the players on both sides of him will command double teams. AUDIBLE: SEAN WEATHERSPOON (OLB)
With the 46th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft The Giants select: JAMAR CHANEY (MLB) MISSIPPI STATE
Jamar Chaney is an underrated prospect who is starting to turn some heads after his combine and senior bowl performances. He is an athletic speed demon who is not afraid to lay the wood. He should come in, compete and take the starting Mike backer position from jon Goff, who i think will compete with sintim for the starting SAM position. Chaney has what it takes to be productive as a rookie by all accounts, he is excellent in man coverage and zone schemes as well, making him an ideal Perry Fewell inside backer, no matter what scheme Fewell decides on. Jamar needs to work on sheding blocks and his upper body strength which will all come in due time. He is also a natural leader and a highly instinctive player. Chaney instantly upgrades the speed of our defense and in the words of Michael Lombardi " Your defense is only as fast as your middle linebacker allows it to be", Chaney is a highly productive LB notching 90 tckls, 4.5 TFL's, 2 Ints, 2FF, 2FR & 4QB hurries in 2009. This seems like a no brainer. AUDIBLE: NATE ALLEN (FS) SOUTH FLA.
With the 76th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft The Giants select: JOHN JERRY (OG) OLE MISS
At 6'5 328lbs John Jerry is a man to be reckoned with. The 2009 SEC lineman of the year, Jerry is a massive lineman that moved to tackle for his senior year at "Ole Miss" but will need to move back inside to guard when he gets to the pro level and this would be perfect for the Giants who i'm sure are anticipating William Beatty starting at LT and David Diehl moving inside or to RT. John Jerry will allow him to move to RT where I think he will be best. Jerry can engulf and overpower opponents once he gets his hands on them but can also struggle against speed when playing on the edge. He is not a natural knee bender and tends to let his pad level get too high on a lot of blocks. He is more of a mauler and brawler than an explosive blocker but he knocks opponents off the ball. Once this mammoth man gets a hold of you, you will be taking the longest involuntary ride of your natural life. When he is on his game its no problem for him to neutralize the best interior lineman on the other side of the ball. The younger brother of ATL (DT) Peria Jerry, john is a beast and may not be here at this point but if he is I would take him asap. He may also need to lose a little weight at the next level. AUDIBLE: LINVAL JOESEPH (DT) EAST CAROLINA
With the 112th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft The Giants select: LARRY ASANTE (S) NEBRASKA
Larry Asante is a hard hitting former linebacker turned safety prospect. He is athletic and fluid enough to cover TE's, RB's and most WR"S, a step slow on play action but it is nothing that some good coaching cant help improve. Asante is a quick read and react safety who gets to the ball in a hurry. He closes quickly enough to make an interception with his "better than average hands" or bring the ball carrier down with his sure tackling. He can certainly be an all around safety but he might be in the box alot just because he does so much better than most safties close to the LOS. The Giants recently added Antrel Rolle and expect Kenny Phillips to be back at full strength but I do not know if i really trust Michael Johnson, C.C. Brown & Shareef Rashaad to be what we need them to be. Asante is polished and a great insurance policy for the two starters. I expect him to come in and earn a spot immediately. AUDIBLE: PAT ANGERER (MLB) IOWA / BRANDON SPIKES (MLB) FLA.
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I like these picks
But would rather have the Nate Allen audible at 46 and grab a LB somewhere after
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I would have thought McClain would be off the board....
a month ago, but now, I won’t be shocked if at least two out of McClain, Price and Morgan are available at #15 with at least one other comparable player as well. While I don’t like either of the top two quarterbacks, they both now look like they’ll go early, and
Campbell may well too, so at least one of the top dozen overall picks should be available to the Giants – maybe more. I’m guessing the Giants will take McClain if it should be a choice of those three, but all are decent options. I like most of the players you’re projecting as picks or alternates.
I do
Jerry Reese’s motto is " you can never have enough pass rushers" and we have enough edge rushers. this guy is the best interior rusher left and i think he is very young so the upside is there IMO
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I know wat you mean tho Giants56
You want someone who can stop the run NOW!!!! as a DT but i think he will be fine in that area once he gets with our coaches and strength and conditioning people just like most rookies.
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You don’t need to be 330 pounds to stop the run, penetrating the gaps is also a good way to mess with running backs and get in their face before they even read their blocks.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's rare
You always say that as if there are bunch of those DTs in the NFL. There are maybe 6-7 good ones.
For the past few years our biggest DT was Robbins
at ~315 and we’ve had relatively good run defenses considering that our LB’s have also sucked for the past few years.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Robbins also
gave us 5.5 sacks a year, who will fill that void………Brian Price BABY!!!!
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+1
I doubt it will be Canty or Bernard.
Just gimme some playmakers
by I_Formation27 on Mar 19, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand
how people keep having Derrick Morgan going to the Giants at 15. I understand “you can never have enough pass rushers”, but are we going to take a guy to sit the bench or play out of position at #15 when we have other defensive needs? I still like Price a lot. I think some of the naysayers think he’s too small, but you can’t discount the production. If you want a big DT, take a bigger DT later in the draft along with Price. The Giants could probably use two anyway.
+1
I would have to take price first and a big DT later, no sense wasting money on a 2 dwn player. price is good enough to stay in on nickle if needs be. I dont understand the morgan and graham thing either, We have enough people complaining about playing time at end already.
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If I was replying to you...Gates,
it would show up here.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand anyone looking at DT>DE
A DT is just as likely to be the 4th or 5th man in his rotation as a DE. I dunno where this invention has become that a 1st round DT is going to play more then a DE.
So…-2 for you
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in my opinion
and i wasnt coming at you free, lol you take everything personal. DT is more likely because he is special, also do you really think we are resigning coefield?? plus rocky will be a back up as well so that leaves Canty. By the way i love graham and morgan just not for us not in this draft thats all…………….as for the -2 thing, you got it. lol
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That wasn't actually a reply to you
it was a reply to lizard, actually.
So as for taking things personally…….I believe you may be the one taking it personally.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference is that we have a lot more quality in end than at DT
at end we have 3 guys that are pro-bowl quality, while at tackle we have 1 decent player in Cofield, 1 unknown in Canty, 1 old as hell tackle who doesn’t look like he cares about the game anymore in Bernard and Alford who is coming off ACL repair and was strictly used as a pass rusher before that anyways.
Also DT’s get more tired than DE’s and need to be subbed in and out more often.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why they have 4 DT's
and essentially 5 with Tuck most likely going back there with Osi and Kiwi on the outside.
Could use a DT obviously, to hopefully cut Bernard. But they could use someone to rush the passer too
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree but...
with price, that would mean that Tuck stays at end in the nickle, price comes in and still gives us a pass rush and someone stout against the run incase it is a draw.
Osi/ KIWI-Price-Canty-Tuck, that would be the pressure package. we would be able to keep DT’s in and let Tuck do his outside thing which im sure he would appreciate.
Yeah if we get him Bernard is gone
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Also they talked about the 5 man line last year
they couldn’t use it since tuck was hurt but imagine a line consisting of
Kiwi – Alford – Price – Tuck – Osi
I know that a lot of people have forgotten about Price with the combine and all but looking at games he had good production on a team that stinks
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 19, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
man that 5 man line
would either get us unlimited sacks or have everybody catching picks because of all the rushed passes………….even cc brown might end up with a few picks with a line like that.
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A 5-2 defense
That’s old school right there.
Like the mock
I don’t like Larry Asante…too slow, not good at coverage…I don’t want any S like that. He’s a big hitter, but who cares, make the tackle.
Then again, he may have upside, and in the 4th….not a terrible pick, tho there’s others I’d rather have.
Glad to see I put someone on the Chaney bandwagon, he’s a solid player who can play all over the LB spots.
As for Brian Price, I still like it. I think the DE’s at that spot are better players and just as likely to play as many snaps as a rook DE.
I’d be thrilled to get John Jerry in the third, but I highly doubt he’s slipping that far. But if he did he’d be a perfect fit as that massive RT or OG we all want.
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I agree on john jerry, i pray he is available but thats 50/50
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+1
Absolutely right about chaney, he makes you reconsider any MLB prospect in round 1 because of his up side and motor.
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I like the Brian Price explanation,
I think many people (myself included) have been pretty tough on the Giants taking Price at 15. While it may not be the sexy pick, a quick look at some of his film did change my mind a bit in realizing how dominant he can be.
My two main things with Price: I think the DT problems are a tad over-exaggerated. Canty has been very outspoken during these recent offseason workouts, and I feel if he’s healthy, he can be a great player AND a leadership presence in those front four. Cofield was also showing promise towards the end of last season, and I think our #15 pick should start relatively early in the season (may be tough to unseat Canty or Cofield, even Alford maybe).
Secondly, in watching film, Price always has the quickest step among all lineman, and as a result, he is causing havoc in the backfield. While this is often a great thing, many plays he seems to get “caught” in pass rush mode and fly himself past a run play, much in the same way Osi does.
I would still be happy with this pick, but if McClain or maybe even Earl Thomas are still on the board, I’m gonna stick with them.
Yes he does get caught in rush mode
alot like osi and kiwi do but thats a leverage thing. In doing this mock i realized that all players depend on the coaching they get. no one is perfect or flawless, you have to gauge upside and thats what i tried to do………………..If Fewell has any input I think price is the pick.
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I have to say that I'm a little shocked by the omission of Gators in this mock.
I expected some “homerism” from you. Good job, even if I disagree on every pick but Chaney.
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LMAO
Not a real gator fan to be honest, i like spikes because i have had the opportunity to see him in person alot so i know his on field value……….Im more of a (U) fan actually and no im from NY. Thank you, im sure alot of people disagree. i dnt even know how they get the war room to cooperate in real life because i was arguing with my damn self over some of these picks thats why i put in audibles because there is a bunch of different approaches depending on your preferences.
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for real sun?
You disagree on John Jerry?
While I think it may be wishful thinking that he’s there…..that’d be an absolute steal of a pick. Every bit the pick Will Beatty was last year (I know…Beatty and of course Jerry have to pan out…but going into it).
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
With someone like Kevin Matthews available later this pick doesn't warrant a 4th
I try to be careful not to get too caught up in rankings for BPA. I also know how much you guys look for value and I don’t totally disagree. I believe in the position value having a huge say on board placement.
With O’hara still having some tread on his tires and Seubert being a serviceable back-up, bringing in a kid from a lower round makes more sense, especially when there are players you covet, like a kid with a pedigree like Matthews. Beatty was almost a no brainer pick and a steal at one of the highest value positions there is. Center has it’s value, but I wouldn’t want to sit a player like Jerry and I wouldn’t want to start him either.
Boy, you guys are going to have a field day on my Dolphins pick..
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I guess it depends on where the Giants have Jerry
positioned.
If he’s an OG to them..then I agree, I’d rather have someone like a Matt Tennant or a Matthews in the later rounds because we could really use someone who can snap the ball
But if Jerry’s a RT…and he played right tackle at Ole Miss for 8 games in 2009 (other 4 at RG) I think he’d be a better option.
Obviously really ties into what they plan with Diehl and McKenzie too.
Jerry lost about 25-30lbs this offseason too, he played at 360lbs most of last year…so that extra weight that dogged him, is gone.
At RT..in the third?
I see what your saying…actually, to get a dude like Jerry AND Matthews, would be even better (could use a future OC like Matthews and RT/OG like Jerry).
So if Gates did a 7 rounder…getting Matthews in the 6th where I’ve seen him projected…and Jerry in the third, I’d probably shit myself with excitement.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 19, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit yourself, really? And you tell ME I take things a little too serious. LOL!
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I actually was considering matthews for part 2 (rounds 5-7)
that would be a good look, just alot of people and things to consider but jerry and matthews would be great
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Idk, the more I look at Spoon the more I am liking him at 15
if McClain isn’t there. It frustrates me when I see people discussing the nuances between the different linebacker positions (in our case WILL-MIKE-SAM). Just because certain players are certain sizes or have different measurable speeds shouldn’t exclude them from playing their defined “orthodox” position on defense, especially in a division as unorthodox as the NFC East. I don’t think an undersized linebacker such as Weatherspoon should be pigeonholed to a weak linebacker spot just because he’s smaller. He could be a dominant MLB in Perry Fewell’s defense as a vocal leader and a great cover guy to roam the middle. His quickness could immediately help challenge players like McCoy, Witten, Weaver, Cooley, and other dangerous weapons we face twice a year.
I am also joining Chaney bandwagon for the same reason. I would much rather have a LB with the “can play all linebacker positions” (i.e with Spoon) moniker in their scouting report, as I think versatility is earning a high premium these days in the NFL.
I LIKE THE PICKS BUT:
I would perfer mcclain or earl thomas because the giants need a player in the first round to either start or play some real minutes. If the giants draft price he will not start unless someone gets hurt and he will not receive a lot of time as a backup. Spoon, thomas and mcclain will, if mcclain is still on the board and pick. Let’s hope mcclain is still on the board on draft day, so the giants won’t have to decide between other players and one last thing, do draft spikes because he is slower than my 2 year old newhew.
Dont worry Spikes was an audible lol
along with Angerer………….I think i was just contimplating another linebacker and those two in round 4 are both good value to me.
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If they draft him........
your right not at first but thats the beauty of picking hime he is like a luxury/need/great value pick, once he is groomed and ready to go which he will be early but he is behind some stiff comp. To be honest with you tho he is probably going to be better than coefield (who i like) but he does not rush the passer, bernard who even if he returns, i dont think will give us more than 2 yrs……..Jay alford is a wait and see type of thing but Price is very young, i just want him on the roster…..not too often you find a DT with that type of potential, youth and relatively polished ability.
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Actually Thomas won't start
over KP/AR/CW/TT unless KP can’t start, in which case Coughlin would prob start Johnson or Ross Alongside Rolle before Thomas gets any burn.
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by I_Formation27 on Mar 19, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
1st rnd won't be safety
I think the Rolle signing pretty much wipes out any possibility that safety is rnd 1.
Well yeah
But my point is that McClain has the highest chance of starting right away than anyone else we might draft at a different position. Bulaga Price and Morgan would all be good value IMO even though the probably won’t start right away.
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by I_Formation27 on Mar 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not with you on this one
I’m not big on Price. His value has been dropping rappidly, and I don’t think he is a BPA at 15. DT is also not the biggest need, so the pick isn’t a need pick or a BPA pick for me. We have some question marks about our DT depth, but we have starters. We are better off getting a DT in a later round knowing it’s going to be a competition scenario to even make the roster.
I think you are reaching on Chaney. I don’t think he goes higher than the third, and I would like to have already addressed thi position with a pick sooner.
I don’t like a pure guard for us at this point, especially not in the third. We could get a much more versatile player like Matt Tennant (center and guard) in the 3rd or 4th who gives us far more options than Jerry.
We have in the box safeties, if we look for safety depth it needs to be better cover safeties.
I cant argue with your opinion on a few people but.....
Jerry is a monster pure guard or not which he really isn’t but it is just a position he would dominate at the next level (im tellin you) and as for asante at safety, he can cover he is just really good in the box. Last year our problem was we had all in the box safeties on the field, had we had one cover (S) we would have been golden, luckily we have two this year so Asante to me is a good pick.
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I’ll need to check out Asante more. I really don’t like the Jerry pick though. The Giants are a team that loves versatlity especially on the line. I just don’t see that in Jerry. He won’t be able to play tackle in the NFL, and he can’t play center. I am more concerned about those two positions in the future. Guard is the easiest position on the line to find someone for. I think Jerry also lacks some of what is needed out of a guard in our offense. He is a bruising mauler which is not in itself a bad thing, but we pull our guards a lot and expect them to block in space and get to the second level. While he’d be great at pushing the DT on a straight up dive play, I don’t know that he would get it done on a pull or some of the zone runs we use.
Good point
we do pull our guards alot but i want a nasty mofo who doesnt stop punishing DT’s until the scoreboard gets turned off but that is a very good point.
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I get ya
I’m all about a guy that just doesn’t quite when talking offensive line. CHeck out this comment regarding Matt Tennant from cbssports: “High-effort player who looks to block downfield and isn’t afraid to block to or through the whistle.” I had thought originally that we could get Tennant in the 4th, but some checking shows he looks like he’s moving up into 3rd round territory. He’s not the biggest player and could add some muscle mass, but he is a great technician, plays with 110% effort, and I trust lineman from BC.
Price is a good player, just not at #15 and not with the Giants in the 1st Rd.
I was on the early bandwagon for DT’s, but jumped off when I heard that Bernard was getting close to 100% and probably coming back.
We’ve already got alot of talent at 3 Technique and if we do pick a DT it will probably be in the mid rounds unless we come accross a too-good-to-be-true talent sitting at a spot in the 2nd or 3rd.
Reese has shown himself to be a “positional value” type of GM and DT is not that high, this offseason. That being said, if Suh or McCoy were there at #15, he’d practically jump out of his skin to make the pick.
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If price was 3 inches taller
and played on a different team, he would be mentioned right up there with those guys………all 3 of them are talents that dont come around too often at that position.
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Suh and Mccoy are better
But they will not be on a team with Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Canty so that factored into my decision as well.
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Drafting Technique
some teams manipulate the draft until they get a bunch of picks and the players they want (New England), Some take who they want, when they want, where they want (Colts) and some sit back and watch good players fall into their laps (GIANTS). there are numerous ways to draft depending on your teams personality and scheme……..My picks were based on scheme and taking talent where i want no matter what. alot of teams try to say this kid is not good value at 10 but at 20 i would take him, to me 1st round talent is first round talent. take who you love……..Just ask Ozzie newsome after he didnt draft Boldin based on draft position even tho he loved the kid. ( he made up for it now tho)…. and he applied the take who you want were you want theory to Flacco and that worked.
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LET'S PRAY MCCLAIN FALLS TO THE GIANTS AT #15
The only team that may draft him is dever at number#11 and we all know that the giants don’t like to move up in the draft, unless they really feel like they have to, they should have moved up and took reevis like the jets did, the jets knew he was the best cornerback in the draft that year and move up. That’s one thing i will give the jets over the giants, when it comes to the draft they aren’t afraid to move up and get their player, the last time the giants did move up was shockey and manning. If denver doesn’t pick mcclain the he will be pick by the giants.
I dont see it happening
but if he does then I still think about it because of the talented backers in later rounds but i would probably go with McClain…………..also the moved up for Bryan Kehl
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Moving up in later rounds is not as big of task as moving up in the first round. The same holds true for moving down.
true
The money plays a big part in that, you will see a change once the implement the rookie salary cap
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