Does Osi Hurt Or Help the G-Men
by Blue Gates on Mar 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT
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Osi Umenyiora is a pass rushing animal who is blessed with great speed and an exceptionally explosive first step, he also has a knack for forcing fumbles, recovering them and scoring. He has been a blessing for the Giants over the past few years, even amongst all the criticisim and being demoted, he still led the Giants in sacks and fumbe recoveries. Osi is extremely talented and his worth to any competitive NFL franchise is undeniable.
With that being said, Osi only plays one postion well and that's pass rushing RE, he often times gets swallowed up by the run leaving many to view him as a one trick pony! even though his one trick is pretty danm good and can change a game as well as win one, i think Umenyiora is expendable. In my humble opinion I think Osi's lack of flexibility pigeon holes the rest of our more talented linemen. Lets examine Kiwi, he can play SAM, RE, LE and hold his own at DT in pass rushing situaions. Kiwi's ability to play multiple positions would/could allow Tuck to get some snaps at RE and rush the QB from the blind side (could you imagine), it also allows Sintim to play RE on pass rushing downs while Tuck and Canty play inside but where does that leave Osi? Umenyiora does not shift to LE or LB so when he is on the field in nickle situations that means either sintim or Kiwi can't be if we are all healthy. Osi is a great addition and an excellent player who i think will be back to form next year but i still think we can be better without him. The other guys allow us to be unpredictable at all times Kiwi, Tuck, Canty, Sintim and even Alford can all play at 2-3 different positions and make an impact. Not knowing where any of these guys will line up would be devastating to offensive linemen, TE's and backs even in max protect. With Osi on the field its easy to determine where people will align.
I'm sure TC and Fewell will say this is a "good" problem to have but Osi wants to play three downs and in our defense that requires you to be flexible and he has not shown that. Tuck had his best year as a 3rd string flexible DE/ tackle and even rush LB at times. his flexibilty made him a monster so does Kiwi's and I expect the same from Canty and Sintim. I'm not saying that a defense needs all these moveable parts (well, maybe I am) to win a game but ours is predicated on multiple alignments. That is the way we draft and that is the way Fewell and TC want it. I would trade Umenyiora, my proposed trade would be Osi and the 15th pick to KC for Glenn Dorsey and the 5th pick. I think this gives KC the OLB they need for a 3-4 and it gives us a DT who is itching to get back to a one gap scheme and dominate. The pick would be used on McClain subsequently and KC would still be able to get who they want. What would you propose? Would you trade Osi or someone else? Or, would you keep them all and run the risk of the chemistry being affected by a disgruntled employee?
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I think you are way overstating
Kiwi’s versatility. Did he play SAM? Yes he did. Did he do it well??? No he didnt. Kiwi is a DE only. He shouldnt be moved inside to pass rush from the DT spot, that should be Tuck and Canty or another DT.
^this
Kiwi was a very bad fit at DT, he’s not Justin Tuck.
Also..while if the Giants went to a 3-4, I’d have doubts with Osi at Rush OLB..tho they could try it. But I doubt another team would trade for him thinking he could be that.
The Chiefs wouldn’t trade an important part to their 3-man front either, and getting Dorsey now..after he’s made the tranistion right now…back to DT? Would be pointless, his mind would be even more boggled and he would either spend another year transitioning back..or just completely flame out.
I’d rather keep Osi if this is the trade.
If his mouth is a problem, I’d rather just trade him for an outright pick. Give him to the Seahawks for their 2nd and 3/4th, or something like that.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi is not great at DT
But he does help free up tuck on stunts, im just saying he can at least slide in and Osi cant even pretend to lol………. everyone also thinks Tuck automatically did well at DT, #1 he hated it at first, he had to adjust to it and he was in his 3rd year when he started doing it and didnt start making an impact til mid season from the DT spot in 07. Kiwi is not great at it but lets not under estimate how hard it is to slide inside……………i see some people say Morgan from GT can slide in if we pick him. Not gonna happen in his first year, it is a different beast.
and im not praising Kiwi the point is the flexibility of the other players.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Tuck at Notre Dame didn't do it
the difference with Derrick Morgan…is he’s DONE it.
Yes, its a different animal…unless you have experience at it, which Derrick Morgan does.
I’d rather have Kiwi and Osi on the outside, and Tuck and Canty (given no Morgan..) on the inside.
This is only on pass rushing downs to get all 3 out there anyway, no all the time.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Sorry didnt know morgan did it so your right in that regard but i would still assume sliding inside against NFL guards and centers would still be something you dont ask of a rookie DE even if he did it in college but i could be wrong
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
By that metric...
you don’t ask a rookie DE to go against NFL OT’s either.
C’mon man….
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and?
if a dude was moved around the line in college, he has experience doing it.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If Morgan Is There at 15 I Want Him
The draft seems pretty deep at DT and we would probably be reaching for a MLB there. The Giants really need an impact player on defense regardless of what position he plays.
Jacksonville Needs Tebow
But don’t have a 2nd rounder to use on him. I wonder if they would bite if Reese offerred them Osi and our 2nd rounder for the #10 pick.
not worth it
we desperately need our 2nd round pick …
I don’t understand how the Lions stay bad, given their constant top picks, or a team like Seattle with 2 first-rounders… they’ve GOTTA be salivating. Imagine if we were picking at 6 and 14? Game, set, match.
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by Simms-McConkey on Mar 18, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Not every draft pick turns out the right way
but you still have to pay them like they are playing like an all-pro
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
the Lions
should have built a great team with even a 50% success rate with their picks!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Millen
Drafted 4 wr’s with top picks and only 1 worked out. He blew it for real!
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
A guy with that little football sense
is a no-brainer to head to the booth!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 18, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I Dont even know why they let him do that!
How can i take a man seriously regarding intellectual football decisions when he picks 4 WR’s in the early first round and only 1 works out.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Oh yea Dorsey!!
I think once a player plays a position in college as well as he did, it becomes second nature. He can slide back to DT in a 43 no problem IMO. he is still figuring out the 34 you’re correct but his natural instincts as a 43 tackle will never leave him. we see it all the time.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
if your a vet like Richard Seymour..yea, could work
Dorsey struggled the 3-4, and seemed to figure it out towards the end.
All this flip flopping could Joba Chamberlain him.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He did do well
Until he injured his leg in weeek 11 but he was fine until then in 07
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
He was good
attacking the line of scrimmage, but he was terrible in space. And i think Im being kind by saying he was terrible in space. If he was good, they probably would have moved him back to SAM when Osi came back.
From what i have heard
that is absolutely not true…… JR, TC and Bill sheridan said he was a fine linebacker in space and all, he played the position better than Danny clark did and even danny was solid but Kiwi brought play making ability to the SAM position………..The decision to keep him at DE was based on what he wanted and how well he did in Osi’s place.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
The reason not to move him back to SAM was just how much are you going to mess with this player. You have to let him settle into a position and develop there if you want him to be good. If you try to swap him around all the time he’ll never be more than mediocre at any spot. I don’t think Kiwi not going back to SAM is a statement that he couldn’t do it, but instead that really they saw more value from him at DE.
I think Kiwi could play
rush LB in a 3-4 possibly. I agree w/Free. If we are going to trade Osi, just get picks and let JR do his thing.
Trade wouldn't happen
Trading Osi might be the best bet if we can get the right trade. I don’t think the trade you proposed has a snowballs chance in you know where of happening. A straight trade for picks would be far more likely, and it would be with a 43 team because like you said he only fits as a 43 DE.
I'd like to Trade Osi for one of our RFA friends
like Demeco Ryans, Barrett Ruud or Kirk Morrison (tho since they made a move for Wimbley already…I doubt they go for another DE…tho its the Raiders ** shrugs)
Osi for Ryans, maybe give em Gerris Wilkinson?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yah no chance
They already have Williams, Antonio Smith and COnner Barwin. Thats a star and two border line starters. Why trade from their already weak linebackers to improve the one place their alright on D
Well, I'd assume they use 2 DE's....so I dunno about benching Mario, he can play the other DE spot
and Antonio Smith took them to the cleaners for his $35mill contract.
He’s probably better off inside…at 295lbs, it may make sense
Barwin and Smith had 1 more sack then Osi last year too.
The Texans as a team had 30 sacks, so I’d think they’d need to improve their pass rush.
Getting Osi to pair with Mario, at the expense of a MLB (which holds little positional value compared to a DE like Osi) may be a good idea for them.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're going just by weight,
Mario’s pushing 300 as well… I think it’s just a technique thing.
I don’t know much about what kind of defense the Texans play, but Cushing had a monstrous year playing behind him on the strongside. I don’t care how good a linebacker is, nobody can play like that without d-linemen distracting blockers.
I seem to remember that’s the Redskin d-line style, eat blockers to let the LB’s make plays. Maybe Houston does something similar?
If the Texans’ FO pigeonholed Mario to hold the line (kinda like what the Skins did to Haynesworth last year) instead of making plays off the right edge, they deserve to be taken out back and shot. Yes, infer what you want about how highly I think of the Redskins’ front office.
I'd worry more about 2012
than about 2010. There’s too much mess to clean up right now.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 17, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno what your getting at man
The Texans line was Smith-Shaun Cody-Amobi Okoye-Mario Williams…which is pretty big (maybe the biggest front 4 from DE to DE)
…maybe THAT’s why Demeco Ryans and Cushing do well?
If Osi was there, and since Shaun Cody sucks….
I’d think they’d go Osi, Andre Smith Okoye, Williams.
He certainly could fit.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Mario Williams is like a flashier, healthier Tuck.
He is nothing like Haynesworth, who they asked to play 2-gap when he was used to play 1-gap.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess this is a reply to both Free and Mclaren
Free: What i meant is that Osi has to play Right End. Mr. One-trick-pony couldn’t play on the strong side even on a team of midget linemen like the Colts. I don’t think pure mass is the thing, it’s more their style of play… Osi just plays like a much smaller man…
So now, the best pass rusher (still Mario, whether Osi plays or not) on the team has to play left end and keep them occupied? And, the right becomes a huge liability against the run, just like this year with us… The difference being, they have quivering turnstyles posing as linebackers on that side to try to make up for the change…
Mclaren: What I meant by the comparison to Haynesworth is that Haynesworth played his best ball when he was allowed to go upfield in the 1-gap.
By assigning him 2, all he becomes is a double-team magnet, nullifying the best interior d-lineman in the NFL. Yes, it gave Andre Carter the best year of his career, but there’s better ways to use big Al.
Forcing Williams to play on the left with multiple blockers would be counterproductive, IMO.
PS: I think the Pats mostly played in the 4-3 last year, right?. If they did, that probably meant Ty Warren-Vince Wilfork-Ron Brace-Random Schlub on the line. That’s gotta be way over a thousand pounds of gut, without even counting the right end. Unless Mrs. Brady’s pass rushing for them now (interesting thought…) they’ve gotta be the heaviest.
Pats use 4-3 more then you'd think
but still, base was 3-4. Didn’t have an exacty who’s who as far as the heaviest DL..but as far as a bas 4-3 with 300lbs DE’s, the Texans were pretty big across the board.
And I dunno what sort of scheme they have as far as their LDE vs their RDE, but Mario Williams is excellent all around. Think of Justin Tuck with Mario, he can be a pass rusher anywhere cuz of his size, strength and speed.
If they had to have Osi flying up the right side, as yea, that’s the only spot for him…I doubt that Mario Williams numbers would take a dip for the worse.
Actually, if he was going agaist RT’s more exclusively…his numbers would probably get better.
Obviously this trade is just something I’m suggesting and I dunno how they feel on Ryans (or even how the Giants really feel with Osi).
Given the positional value of MLB, the DE depth the Giants have (and could be drafting from this year) the trade could work out for both sides.
I dunno who the Texans would replace Ryans with, but kinda like a Giants DL that’s in full Beast mode, having Mario and Osi would make up for a lot.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The Texans are pretty big on Ryans
I don’t see them easily parting with one of the better up and coming middle linebackers for Osi.
But
Williams already does play mostly on the left side… just like Tuck. I understand what you mean with Haynesworth but I don’t think Williams is in the same situation. Williams’ best place is at left end.
And lets be honest Osi is bad against the run but you’re acting like he is the worst run defender in the NFL.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Texans D is in flux
This last year they had a new DC and a new approach. Previously they ran a 43 base, no blitz scheme. They expected the defensive line to generate all pressure on 4 man rushes. The theory was absolutely the opposite of having the lineman eat up blockers. Okoye for example is actually a great 1 gap DT. This past year they tried to incorporate more blitz packages. I don’t know what that will mean for their personel moving forward.
I know
was just trying t get a D tackle in return and spark convo, and its unlikely but not something they wouldnt consider.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Wrong time to trade him
You won’t get real value for him unless he plays another year removed from the knee, Get his sack totals back over 10 and you have a market. Otherwise you are giving him away.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Depends on what offers would be out there
and also depends on what Osi’s standing with the team is. If he buys in and just goes about his work, earns his starting spot…then there’s no reason at all to trade him.
If he’s a pain in the arse…then get rid of him.
IF the Giants think he’s gonna be a problem, even if he’s “saying the right things”, and they can get say…a 2nd and 3rd/4th? Can’t see why not if he’s gonna be a problem.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And if we trade Osi,
Of course Derrick Morgan, but I’d throw Brandon Graham in there as well.
The ‘Trent Cole’ is strong with Brandon Graham.
Master of the squeegee
I remmeber telling you I thought Graham was the best pure pass rusher in the draft.
Are we starting to agree?
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Yes, absolutely
I saw tape, Graham = Trent Cole…I hate Trent Cole.
Not sure if I’d take him over Derrick Morgan…but I got Graham in that BPA convo at #15.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If we trade Osi
they might play sintim as backup RE & LE and draft a pure 43 outside backer
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I'll be honest....
I stopped reading at:
“Lets examine Kiwi, he can play SAM, RE, LE and hold his own at DT in pass rushing situaions. Kiwi’s ability to play multiple positions would/could allow Tuck to get some snaps at RE and rush the QB from the blind side (could you imagine)”
I’m sorry but if Kiwi is so great than why are we even having this conversation? I know you probably explained it w/ the rest of your post but i disagree w/ this statement.
If Kiwi was all that Osi wouldn’t have won his starting job back coming outta camp…..
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
SMH
why comment if you didnt read the full statement lol, the point is not about Kiwi’s greatness, I couldve made the same argument for a # of our other players, i just chose to use him because the guy does whats asked and does it well thats all….. my point was you cant even ask Osi to do anything else.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
just a little light hearted ribbing blue gates....
I’m just curious as to when Osi became the equivalent to Darth VAder around here????
Ghostdini made a post a few weeks back saying to trade Osi….and he got laughed at.
Now it’s like… we shouldn’t trade Osi, we should take him out back and shoot him because he’s single handedly destroying our team! lol.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
LMAO I Feel you
I think people are just starting to realize that as the season gets closer somethings need to be addressed NOW! Osi is an excellent pass rusher but he is also the longest tenured lineman and is a Vet but he has also exhibited some whiny traits that could push him out the door especially after an 8-8 season. Maybe hes working out and getting stronger so that he can be shifted around a little bit more but i think he does come back with a fury but its all up to him.
Sidenote: Osi originally took his demotion like a man, he came out and even made big plays in a limited role, i think his issue was only plaing on 3rd dwn but thats a direct result of his lack of run stopping ability on 1st and 2nd dwn so we will see.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I also dnt think Osi won it back
Most teams live by the motto that you dont lose your job to injury, you lose it because of bad play and Osi’s reputation and past accomplishments meant that RE spot was his automatically after he was healthy………….thats like taking KP’s job even if he comes back healthy. everyone gets a chance to go back into their original role after an injury when they are highly touted.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Acctually
i dont think we should trade osi, he is really a great player and I believe that he will play with a chip on his shoulder this year. I think that if we keep Osi and Jerry Reese builds up on D in the draft, than we’ll be a real big contender this upcoming year
No I don't think we should trade him
He is our best rusher from the edge, this has been proven time and time again. How can he hurt the team?
His contract is up after this year anyway so not many teams will trade for him and he probably won’t resign with Kiwi in there, neither one of them wants to share time with the other. The best thing JR can do is leave him on the team this year watch how the 2 interact then either offer him a new contract or let him go.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 16, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
I believe he's got two years left on the contract
He was given a 6 year extension December 23, 2005 so he’s signed through 2011. Get him some reps before you even consider trading him. If he’s still talking mack at the end of 2010, get the best deal possible for him.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
No one is trading Osi the player
Osi the pain in the arse…is what we’d be trading.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends,
Shockey was a good player, But we had Boss.
Osi’s a good player, but we got Kiwi.
I dunno that Osi’s the pain that Shok was tho, but if he’s traded the team felt that way.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Shockey
was a huge pain and im glad we got rid of him but we got rid of him while we had a stable offense that was falling apart at the seams. This year our defense was attrocious and should we get rid of a proven player when we’re trying to rebuild our defense?
Well….. we don’t have to rebuild our defense, we need to get them healthy. Its the same team as 2008 that was extremely banged up all year and mismanaged.
If Osi’s a pain, then trading him will help them add youth and infuse talent.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If you get on the wrong side of the Giants organization and they can find a market for you, you can and will be traded. I don’t think the Giants top brass considers any player to good to be traded. The Shockey trade tells us that. If there isn’t a good market for Osi he will be with the team. If there is a good market, he’s packing his bags.
Shockey trade
It was also true that foot and ankle injuries had robbed Shockey of his explosiveness; he just wasn’t the same player. I didn’t think he was good enough in NO to justify the 2nd and 5th the Giants got for him. Re Osi, my guess is that Reese will look at him in the OTAs to see if he has his quickness back. If yes, they keep him; if not, he’s gone.
Mickey C
Sounds familiar
Osi also had an injury that sees to have taken away explosiveness.
Is Osi that big a Cancer? Is he that big a pain in the....?
Yeah he’s a diva, yeah he makes questionable comments…more comical than anything but seriously, he also says great things about this team, the organization, having to get better, having to EARN it.
I just don’t get it?
I have no problem w/ Osi.
If you want to trade him fine, but don’t give me that “oh we traded him away b/c he’s a problem”….we’re grown men here, it’s a business…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Walked out last year, doesn’t appear to be doing all the offseason work this year, has made comments like “I’ll retire if I’m not the starter”
that was the comical comment lol
for 3 million a year he’ll pick up garbage let alone be a 3rd down DE…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
He says he has to earn it?
He said he should be a starter and if he’s not a starter, he’s retiring. Dunno what that says about earning anything.
What if the big problem last year was Kiwi beat Osi out, causing Osi to have a that blowout that day? I don’t think that’s unfathomable. Kiwi should be starting at RE with Osi being the situational pass rusher (and Tuck moves inside on those downs), but he complains.
If the Giants trade him…its because he’s a problem..nothing else.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 16, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not what happened....
Osi was still the starter against the Broncos when he got pissed off that the whole team was playing like shit.
Then the week after that he got switched for Kiwi and he kept quiet until the Panthers game when the run defense was atrocious again and he said that he was extremely frustrated at the whole situation. He said that he thought the coaches blamed the run defenses problems on him but against the Panthers they were really bad too and he didn’t play at all.
Whoever plays better in training camp should be the starter – both of them have big flaws in their games
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 16, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
i don’t even know how to respond to this one Free.
My point is that everyone is looking at the stupid remarks Osi’s made but no one has taken notice of the positive ones that he’s made. Yeah, he walked out….on Bill Sheridan. I give him a pass, Yes, i do.
But seriously, like i said above, it’s business, I can live w/ Osi at that salary.
All the other stuff….lol, c’mon. Kiwi beat him out in camp…Osi walks outs…Coughlin comes in and makes him the starter??? LT was a Problem, Plax and Shockey were problems, this guy Osi is not a problem.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
osi is frustrated with the recovery process...
the coaching staff understands this ,im sure… as long as he keeps his trap shut,he should be ok…i dont care how deep this draft is ,i would not be pleased with a 3 and a 5 for him….
If we could get a 2 and a 4 for Osi as Bradshaw mentioned
I’d pull the trigger. After 2007 I thought he could be the next Strahan … well not quite but you get the idea. All of a sudden he’s become a huge question mark. I think he has more potential outside of NY. I think he’s got the skills and future to be an excellent 4-3 DE in other places, where he can play all the downs he wants. He’s not fitting in this way and I’m worried as hell that he blows up in our face this year with childish, selfish antics. I’d dump him before he diminishes his own trade value. We can start Tuck and Kiwi, rotate in Tollefson and a draft pick. We’d no longer be rich at DE, but like I said, there’s a HUGE question mark on Osi right now.
You play to win the game!
Deja Vu All Over Again
A month ago I made a fanpost questioning the value of Osi to the team. I was mostly shot down. What has happened in 30 days to change people’s minds?
Osi is more of a cancer than people realize
its all fun because we have quiet respectable guys on the team but him basically saying he should start no matter what without earning it is a direct shot at Kiwi, just put your self in his shoes, your friend and teammate isnt playing well but he still thinks hes better even though the world can see he’s playing better all around! thats eventually going to bother everyone no matter how mild mannered they are. I think TC fired wauffle because he was too close to the players especially Osi. Our new line coach will not cater to Osi.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Have no problem with keeping Osi
and I have no problems with letting him go. If we let him go, however, we need to do it before this season begins. Because his lifeblood is solely pass-rushing, IMO, that hurts us. Someone who can get through a block every once in a while on a running play would be nice, too.
Someone here said he’s “proven”…and I will say that he’s proven PRIOR to the injury. Hasn’t done a bunch since. So, if he pops off then give him his papers and get him off the property.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t expect any major improvement from him this season.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Can Osi play OLB in a 3-4?
I know he’s basically a liability in the run-game, but can he rush the passer from a standing position?
I've seen him do it a couple times
and while he’s as bad as a DE in coverage….basically ,Osi’s game is fly up the field with his head chopped off and swat at the QB’s hand.
If all you want is a pass rusher I think he could.
I dunno that Osi’s all that bad against the run either, he’s usually raking up a lot of tackles and his power was sapped in 2009 which should come back in 2010.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 18, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
All the guys who are ripping him here wil be changing their tune a little by mid-season. He’ll still be so-so against the run, but the Ositadimma we know and love will be back this year.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Rack up tackles???
Yea i guess assists count but never does he rack up solo tackles, Osi would be the perfect rush OLB, thats what he’s designed to do. He would be taking on RB’s and TE’s alot more and dominating. He is definetly still a beast tho but I dnt think he will ever be a consistent run stopper. Also he is one streaky player even when pass rushing but dnt let him get on a roll it might be a long day for your LT.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Aside from 2009
his full seasons always have him with more then 40 solo tackles.
Not all that different from Julius Peppers solo tackle numbers, so no..he’s not just getting assists.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 18, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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