Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Jamar Chaney, MLB, Miss. State
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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The subject of today's Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile is a player a few of you have asked me to look at.
That would be Jamar Chaney, a middle linebacker from Mississippi State. He is a versatile player who has experience inside and outside, played well in the Senior Bowl and ran a 4.54 40 at the Combine, the fastest time among all inside linebackers.
I would think we can add his name to the long list of linebackers who might be worth a middle to late-round pick for our New York Giants.
So, let's take a closer look.
Jamar Chaney Scouting Reports
From Fantasy Football Toolbox.
A versatile linebacker who can play inside and outside, Chaney has good size at 6'1'' and 240 pounds. He has been clocked as fast as 4.52 in the 40-yard dash, although he generally runs a 4.60. Chaney is quick, agile, and after starting his collegiate career on the outside, he moved to middle linebacker for his last two years. While the injury history is a bit of a concern, Chaney all but put those questions to rest thanks to his bounce-back performance in 2009. He also greatly enhanced his draft stock; perhaps an eventual undrafted free agent had he failed to secure a medical redshirt, Chaney can now be expected to go off the board somewhere in rounds four and five in the 2010 NFL Draft.
From ESPN.
Has good size and enough overall strength to stack and shed. He also shows adequate toughness and plays with a great motor. ... Very good overall range. Is quick and fast for his size. Can play sideline to sideline when protected. Only issue is that he needs to do a better job of disengaging from blocks in order to maximize his range versus the run. ... Will struggle to fill in short-yardage situations. Not a thumper. ... Very fast for his size. Good agility. Excellent range in zone coverage. Gets a very deep drop. Ball skills need some improving. Struggles a bit to find the ball in the air. Doesn't have a lot of experience as a pass rusher but has potential in that area because of outstanding closing burst.
From NFL Draft Site.
Experienced and versatile - played OLB and ILB in college. Senior Bowl defensive MVP. Workout warrior. Excellent size and speed - runs in the 4.6's. Quick and agile. Doesn't shed blocks well. Not a big hitter and tends to tackle high. Durability concerns - missed '08 with a broken leg.
Why Chaney fits the Giants
Because the Giants need help at linebacker. We know they need to at least bring in competition for Jonathan Goff in the middle. And a little competition on the outside for Bryan Kehl and Gerris Wilkinson is a good idea, as well. Chaney is a guy whose stock appears to be rising, and he might fit in either of those categories.
Why the Giants should pass
Well, if the Giants manage to snag a middle linebacker in the first or second round a Chaney pick might be redundant. And, if they want an outside linebacker there are probably other more natural players on the outside they might look at.
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If they don't get a LB in the 1st round
I hope he’s the dude they call in the 2nd or 3rd round or so. I still like Angerer in the 4th (so if Chaney’s gone…)
The best thing about him is he’s seen time at all the LB spots so even if Goff wins out on the MLB spot, Chaney could still conceivable back up the other spots.
Chaney would instantly be the best athlete among the LB’s too
Chaney and even someone like Donald Butler are reasons why I’m not gonna cry a river if they pass on a LB in the 1st and/or 2nd round (including McClain…)
Master of the squeegee
I'm starting to think the Giants will snag up two LBs in the draft.
If we don’t win the Rolando McClain sweepstakes, we may just snag Weatherspoon with that 1st. That said a Spoon /Chaney/Sintim/Boley/Goff sounds like alot of talent that needs to be coached up.
I'd still prefer Kirk Morrison
I’d prefer a Kirk Morrison signing. We have young talent with Goff and Kehl, and I would rather use a third round-ish pick on an experienced proven young veteran than a rookie such as this. Regardless, I hadn’t heard much about this prospect until now. Good work, Ed!
sounds like a platoon player
1st down him 3rd down sintim…. rotating on and off. i don’t know that much about the guy but if were drafting for that purpose i guess it’s not a bad idea.
Wouldn’t have either player in on 3rd down most likely. Chances are on 3rd down you are in nickel or dime, AKA no SAM on the field.
As a DE
He’s not really playing SAM there. If yo are talking about only playing Sintim in 4 aces you are talking about converting him to DE in which case you might as well go all the way and get him in more of a rotation than just 4 aces.
I doubt they are going to be using that much anymore
it was absolutely awful in 2009, how are you going to get a push in the middle when you have freakin kiwanuka and tollefson in the middle?
Anyway Chaney is more of a later round prospect I wouldn’t draft him before round 3
Here is a nice article about combine numbers and what they mean for MLB’s.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=AqZX.XKjBvAxYpvFDlXXKPxDubYF?slug=nfp-behindthe_times_mlb_shortshuttle_html-2010312&prov=nfp&type=lgns
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 13, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
They'll do it just to get the best pass rushers on the field.
The personnel make up of the unit got sideswiped with Tuck’s shoulder imjury and Canty not being 100%. Remember that Alford was out and will probably not be as effective coming off the knee this year. It’s still a very effective scheme. You can’t blame the formation when your entire D-Line is underperforming.
The whole point of the 4 Aces is to penetrate and rush the passer, not get a push. I agree that, ideally getting a push from the middle on every down would help, it’s just not the inherent design of the package.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Sintim IS lined up at DE in the 4 aces, you're right, but
I don’t know why you’re talking about converting him, though. There planning on him being a 3 down player, with 1st and 2nd at the SAM.
My response was to point out that he would be in on 3rd down when you stated neither of the stated players would be.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
If 4 aces even still exists
My reference to not having a SAM on the field was to Flynner who was talking about cycling Chaney and Sintim at SAM with Sintim in on 3rd down. There is no SAM there, he is playing DE. My response was connected to that train that if you are talking about playing someone like Chaney 1st and 2nd and Sintim only 3rd, you are only playing Sintim as a DE not a SAM.
As for 4 aces I don’t know if it will still exist. That was spags package that Sherridan tried to use. There is nothing saying Fewell will keep it, or who would be on the line. It could easily be Tuck and Canty in the middle with Osi and Kiwi on the outside. If Sintim actually plays SAM for real this year he won’t be as fresh to be just a situational rusher like last year.
Chaney would be a MLB. I have no clue what Flynner is talking about.
As a coordinator coming in, Fewell has got to look at the personnel, the playbook, what worked in the past and why it worked, what he brings from his previous playbook that fits the current personnel and how he’s going to blend the two and come up with new twists.
Besides last year, the 4 Aces was very effective. I believe that injuries caused the drop in it, last year. If he’s as smart as I believe him to be, Fewell will toss out all of the changes from Sheridan and start from what Spag’s had developed and meld his style with it. The secondary will probably see the most attention as I think he’ll see the merit in most of our fronts.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I'm not so sure
Yes, when you promote from within you generally expect that individual to run the same package with perhaps minor tweaks. That was what we hoped to get out of Sherridan and didn’t. I don’t think when you bring in an entirely new coordinator from outside of the organization that you expect them to keep anything. They might keep some stuff, but I wouldn’t lay that out as an expectation. If you hired the guy to believe a coordinator you believe he knows something about defense and systems. I would expect a new coordinator coming in to evaluate the talent he has available and develop what he thinks is the best system to use that talent. I wouldn’t immediately assume that is the same system a different coordinator brought in 2 years ago. When Spags came in did we expect him to run the hybrid defense we were currently running or bring in his own system that he felt he could be successful with? I miss Spags as much as the next guy, but we can’t keep expecting every defensive coordinator that comes in to try to pretend to be him and copy what he has done. We have to accept the SPags era is over an move forward.
That's a good point, but
it falls back to the old addage of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Sure, there’s plenty that didn’t go right for this D last year, but you have to make an assessment as to why something worked one year with alot of the same personnel, why didn’t it work in ’09?
You have to account for injuries having a great deal to do with that. You take advantage of the successes and you work to correct the failures. You would think that Fewell designed the scheme for the Bills around the personnel, so how much of that would even transfer is going to be one of his early tasks.
I’m sure he will bring some new things, but I am absolutely certain he won’t just throw out the old playbook.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
i was simply going off of the… “struggles with short yardage and needs to improve ball skills” tags. Seems to me like we"d need to get him off the field in a lot of situations and rotate in a “thumper” like sintim, and no I don’t know what are plans are for Sintim. i’m pretty sure all of the BS Defensive Pkgs from last year will be burned
Depth
I don’t think you can see Chaney as anything other than a depth pick, at least for the first year ot two. I don’t really think he is necessarily an upgrade over what we already have in Goff like the potential 1st rounders or Morrison would be. Skill set being equal with Goff, Giff’s experience wins out. I’m not saying that makes him a bad pick somewhere around the 4th because I do think we have complete issues with our LB corps both starters and reserves. However, I don’t think he is THE answer. If the Giants grab only a guy like Chaney while sipping over the 1st rounders and Morrison it means they have confidence that Goff and Sintim are starters this year. I don’t have that confidence, but the staff might.
Saddle Up!
I’m on the Morrison bandwagon, I think he would be a great pick up. Especially for only a 3rd rounder. Chaney seems as if he would be a work in progress if drafted (good potential), but why not get a young experienced veteran instead of “coaching up” a rookie.
I believe JR values his #3 more than you think.
I would also believe that if they thought Morrison was a big enough upgrade over Goff, that they would have already pulled the trigger. Give Goff credit for purporting himself well in the last few games of the season. I’m sure you would see similar tackle numbers if he played a full season at MIKE.
There is tremendous value to be had in the 3rd, and JR may or may not want to use the pick as draft mobility to move up or down. It’s ridiculously hard for teams in the top 10 of the 1st to find suitors to move down. That get’s continuously more flexible as the rounds progress.
I have alot of faith in Reese and know he’ll do some draft day maneuvering that will help the club out. With a bunch of players coming back healthy, some another year removed from major joint surgery and some new additions, we are going to have a good year.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I agree..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Think about all the walking wounded we had on the field, last year.
Tuck, Seubert, Hedgecock & Bernard(all shoulders),
Osi, Cofield & Robbins(all recovering from knee surgeries)
Boley missed the 1st game due to suspension then missed more with an injury
Pierce gets lost to IR in the later middle of the season.
Cofield had a shoulder and both broken hands in ’08.
Ross had a hammy problem for most of the year. Phillips went on IR with the knee. Bradshaw was playing on 2 broken feet and an ankle sprain.
Jacobs had a knee.
Eli was paying with plantar fasciitis.
Hixon, Manningham and Nicks had various injuries throughout the year.
Alot was expected out of those players. How dare they?! LOL
Just a normal year for an NFL team. Not!
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Webster
I think he must’ve been playing with a dinged up knee around midseason. Every game from that Philly game on, there was an injured timeout for the guy. I don’t want to use that as an excuse for why he struggled with taller receivers, but it must’ve had some effect. Thank god he isn’t having surgery this offseason.
Yes you guys have pretty well summed it all up..
We had a terrible injury plagued team last year..It was horrible I sure hope these new fandangled training measures they said they have deployed work. I believe we led the league in the injury category..it was just crazy.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
RFA moves slowly
RFA moves don’t happen at the pace of UFA moves. Just because there hasn’t been any movement on Morrison yet doesn’t mean there won’t be by either the Giants or another team. You aren’t ging to see RFAs snagged up as quick as UFAs due to the added complications. Teams have to weigh whether they think an offer or a trade propsal makes more sense etc. etc. Also, knowing that other teams are going to take it slow and there is time for the Raiders to consider any offer for matching means you aren’t flying around hoping not to lose the guy like we had to do with Rolle.
Good point
I do, however, believe that he’s not a big upgrade over Goff, so why give up a 3rd for him. I just got finished going over some film of last year and college highlights and Goff really could be the real deal, or at least as good as Morrison. With a little time under his belt, he could take the next step. Morrison has pretty much peaked, Goff is still growing.
Would I feel a little happier if we got McClain? You bet. I wouldn’t lose a minute of sleep if we didn’t either.
Besides, there is entirely too much chatter that JR wants to draft a MLB and may be willing to move up for one. How that pans out, your guess is as good as mine.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I just haven't seen enough of Goff
Didn’t see much of him in college, and last year didn’t give alot to go off of (especially in Sherridan stupidness). I might be selling the guy short, I guess I’ll just have to wait and see like everyone else…
Man, oh man
“Doesn’t shed blocks well. Not a big hitter and tends to tackle high”
Geez! Is there one inside linebacker in this draft that’s physical, lays the wood on his target, explodes into his tackles, is agressive, and can shed blocks? It feels as if there’s only athletes in this LB draft. And the linebackers that CAN shed blocks, aren’t much of athletes (Brandon Spikes). What a frustrating draft, there isn’t a complete LB anywhere with good athleticism anywhere!
I guess you can make the argument for mcclain, but I don’t think he’s all that great in coverage.
About Jamar Chaney, he doesn’t sound like a good ILB. Maybe he fits more on the outside where he can use his athleticism and speed to stop the run instead of shedding blocks.
Well all this arm tackle jazz you need to take with a grain of salt..
Shit LT ‘arm tackled’ all the time..but once he got a arm on you, you were going down..That’s what you have two arms for..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
That seems to be a dig against McClain, but you try to go around and you get "THE ARM"
but he gets the arm on you and you go DOWN! There are alot of players who go for the hit but don’t wrap. I’ve yet to see one get loose on this kid.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
exactly.
Who cares how you do it?
I’d rather have a wrap-up tackler then a dude who goes for the big hit anyday of the week.
Big hit is nice..but if you don’t connect AND wrapup….its useless, the guy’s getting extra yards anyway.
IIRC Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson say that without even seeing who tackled them…they know its RO who tackled them by the feel.
I know I was hoping there’d be something that helps him drop to #15. The 40 time may be “low” enough. The Crohns may be it too.
I know I’d be getting my INSANE McCLAINn jersey in late April
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 13, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I could care less if we ever get on a highlight reel
as long as we’re in the top 5 defenses in the league.
If you see Ro swinging these bigger kids to the ground it kind of reminds me of LT. It’s not like they get any further when he does it that way. It’s just fluid with his momentum.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
You don’t understand what I mean. You can arm tackle and still punish the ball carrier (I.E. an L.T, like you mentioned). As a matter of fact, I’m confused by your post and what your trying to tell me, so I`ll assume your just making conversation about McClain
I'm not sure if your referring to my comment..
But what I was saying was alot of
‘analysts’ are knocking McClain for being too much of an “arm tackler”..I say who cares?..Lawrence, when he got an arm on a guy would pulverize him into the turf..So all this talk about McClain being an ‘arm tackler’ is a bunch of bullshit..He tackles people..period..I also don’t care about his 40 yard time being in the 4.6-ish range..We don’t need a MLB with sprinter speed..I’m more concerned with how fast they burst to the ball..I don’t want a MLB who is going to have to chase runners downfield..I want them to be smart and quick off the snap and not let a runner get past them…and McClain looks like he has that skill set..Plus he’s a smart MLB..an MLBs field is 25 yards left and 25 yards right..but in reality his speed needs to be measure in how fast he reads and greets a runner off-tackleand stuffs him..that is about a 5 yard dash to the ball before they reach the LOS.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
..also, unless I am missing something after all these years..Don't you need..
Arms to play football??
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Moving on up!
I’m fairly new around here but I’m still on the McClain bandwagon, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see JR move up to #10 to get him. The Jags, from what I understand, are anxious to get out of the #10 spot and I think that McClain would still be available there. It would probably cost us a 3rd round pick though. Maybe we could make it a 2011 pick, or trade them a player or two instead. We’ve got a couple of players of value who we could part with and maybe add to a later round pick to save our 3rd rounder. This is an outstanding draft class for various reasons and I think JR and company want as many picks as possible. BUT, an IMPACT MLB is an important part of the puzzle, and besides, McClain is supposed to have “the highest football IQ in the draft” (forget which draft site said it) which has old school Tom Coughlin written all over it.
by AZtheGiantsYankNY on Mar 13, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions
KMorrison over this guy for me...
..but Mcclain and Spoon over both of them,however I’m not giving any picks from this years draft to move up for Mcclain.
Gist I get about Morrison is that he’d be an excellent SAM backer, but as a MLB he’s learned some bad habits.
Now, those can be coached away…tho they can stick.
Unless they get McClain, or feel that Weatherspoon can be a MLB (?)…I think getting a MLB like Chaney is a better COA then getting Morrison.
If the DL is healthy, I think Goff can succeed. Morrison probably could too…but at the expense of a third round pick (and the agita of waiting 7 days…).
Chaney could beat out Goff too, or at the very least..he could provide depth to all 3 LB spots (Sintim-Goff-Boley with Kehl and Chaney backing up)
Chaney or Morrison probably cost that same 3rd round pick…but Morrison has more risk as he’s gonna require a pretty big contract
Master of the squeegee
Morrison is also older and won’t get any better while there is a chance that our coaches can still take Chaney and turn him into a great player.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 13, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Or a chance he turns into a bust...
or gets a big check and loses interest. I’m not saying it’ll happen and I’m not against drafting him, but it’s all a crap shoot. I still like Morrison, but I still advocate trying to work a trade for him if possible, and keeping the draft choice. Even if FreeBradshaw is correct in his comments above, I’d be happy to have him as “an excellent SAM backer”, and a challenger to Goff. At least the guy can play the position and tackle, and I feel he’s an upgrade over the Pierce of last year. Plus working as part of a cohesive unit with Fewell providing motivation on a team that could be very, very good, as opposed to the soap opera in Oakland I think he’d be motivated. And again, I think getting him, even at a cost of a third is a less risky situation and gives Reese the maximum of choices to go BPA in the draft. Just because this is a deep draft doesn’t mean whomever we get with the 3rd pick will work out, or even make much of a contribution next year (see Beckum, Travis). And with all of the above, even if we got Morrison I’m not opposed to drafting another linebacker and another addition to the secondary. We’ve had a quantity of backups at middle linebacker, none of whom have stepped up and taken a position. With TWO starters gone, Clark and Pierce, we still have need in the area either way. I have nothing against Goff, and maybe he steps up this year. If so, great, but his audition last year was too short and too unconvincing for me. I think we can improve a great deal in 2010 and I think we can win both this year and in the future. I just think last year proved you can’t have too much depth and that we had a lot of guys on the roster who just weren’t up to making an impact. I’d rather have more quality and less quantity, and I still see Morrison as an inexpensive (especially if we can work a trade) upgrade who makes a CRITICAL situation just one of a variety of needs that can be addressed in the draft.
Well
If we don’t get Mcclain or Spoon or Spikes and draft really well in the 1-3rd rounds and bring in a Free agent for competition, I wouldn’t mind Chaney. I Just don’t want to see another Blackburn or Kehl or Wilkenson or torbor on our team. It’s like subbing Tim Carter for Sinorice Moss. What’s the point? They can pay me to sit on the bench with a clean uniform….
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