New York Giants News & Notes: Some QB News
Not a whole lot to report in Giants news today, but there are a few quarterback related items to share.
First, ESPN's Matt Mosley discusses why the Giants signed Jim Sorgi to be their backup QB. "Sorgi's served as Peyton Manning's understudy for six seasons, so there are no surprises here. If Peyton didn't have a great opinion of Sorgi, there's no way he'd be with the Giants this afternoon." I think that pretty much sums it up. I would have preferred signing Mark Brunell to be the backup, but Sorgi is a decent one year insurance policy. The fact is that if whoever they signed ends up playing a lot next year, it's going to be a disappointing season.
Remember all the hand-wringing over Eli Manning becoming the highest paid QB in the NFL last year? Well, don't expect that to last too long, with Peyton, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees all nearing the end of their current contracts. This is just the current cycle of the NFL - every top QB who gets a new contract is going to become the highest paid. It's similar to how baseball contracts kept escalating in the late 90's, until A-Rod signed his mega deal and teams realized they needed to calm down a bit.
Finally, in light of Ben Roethlisberger's recent troubles, Gary Myers argues that the Giants made the correct choice on draft day in 2004. It's hard to argue with him. Big Ben has two rings, but he's had three major off-field incidents which have, at the very least, brought embarrassment to himself and the Steelers organization. If the allegations are true he's done even worse than that. Eli has had almost as much on-field success as Big Ben, and the way he carries himself off the field in almost unparalleled in the NFL. I was an Eli doubter early in his career, but I've been fully converted and find myself perfectly content that he will be the Giants quarterback for most of the next decade.
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neither Eli or Ben are overpoweringly great QBs
but both are solid. Why they take crap despite their on-field accomplishments is beyond me.
However, if this second allegation leads anywhere, you have to think overall it will indeed make Eli look like the better choice (even if Eli whined his way out of SD).
i suppose people look at them
and see they aren’t a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady and get on their case because of it. It doesn’t matter to a lot of people that those two are once in a generation players, that Eli and Ben are merely ‘good’ (in a game that’s almost overwhelmingly complicated and at a position that is the hardest to play at) is never going to be enough.
it’s definitely enough for me!
Eli didn't whine his way out of SD..His father stepped in..
Archie didn’t want his Son relegated to a perreniall loser..So he did what any Dad would do…think about and take action on what is best for their kid…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Look at it this way
Eli whined his way in NY, and I am happy for that… Better the Rivers who just whines period.
All's Well that Fewell
I took the Super Bowl to turn me around on Eli...
but I think that’s fair, since my impression was that he was a whiny guy on the field who wouldn’t perform in the playoffs …
Now … (sniff) that’s my quarterback man! (sob)
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions
Strange
I dont remember him not performing well in the playoffs, wasnt great but i think our Defense was horrible in his first few years alll the way up on til 07 but i see the QB always gets too much credit and too much blame.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Damn that is funny!!..If y'all don't laughh at that there is something wrong with ya..lol!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
In the end, I think Eli is the better call.
I think he’ll have a better overall career than Ben – off-the-field issues notwithstanding. The bigger question is – will Eli have a better career than Rivers? I’d much rather have Eli, even though Rivers “looks” like the better QB. If you’re down by 4 in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl with two minutes on the clock, I know who I want back there.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Rivers has better stats
because he plays in the best climate in the league, gets 4 cupcake Raider and Chief games per year and doesn’t have a receiver shorter than 6’5". That being said he is still a great QB, but I would still prefer Eli because of how he carries himself. Rivers hates dealing with the media—although they love him—and has yet to win the big one…
DB
Off field stupidity aside --
Roethlisberger has been more consistently solid, while Eli has shown more flashes of outright brilliance, imho, while often swimming amongst the dregs. I’ll take the flashes of brilliance. Much more exciting. And leaving one wanting more and wondering… and hoping… what if he does this more often. Upside is greater. Still. Again, what do I know. it’s only this unfrozen caveman lawyer’s opinion.
Each season Eli gets better.
He has handled the pressure of playing in NY with class. Stepped up and delivered in critical moments. He keeps improving his game and adapting to the talent around him. Maybe not the most vocal of leaders but, his determination and effort speaks loudly to his teamates.
OI812
One thing...
He still has to overcome is the 3 games in a row lull, where he is very average at best. Happened in the middle of last season again…Just asking, why didn’t he want to play for S.D.?
by Great Gatsby on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Unless we sign Marino or Elway, he is going to have a few non-hall of fame status games. As far as why not S.D? I dont know, whatever the reason, it seemed to work out for eveyone involved.
OI812
I know, the key words I mentioned...
the 3 games in a ROW lull..
by Great Gatsby on Mar 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
That GM in SD...
AJ Smith is his name I think. Well, he’s a lot of words I cannot in good conscience write here. I don’t think Eli wanted to be in that mess out there.
At the time...
…it looked like an unstable situation. Remember they were drafting 1st. It looked like Schottenheimer was gonna get fired (which he eventually was) and Coughlin had just been hired. The Giants just seemed like the more stable and better situation. Due to the Chargers history Archie was trying to avoid a situtation for Eli like he had with the Saints.
And IMHO, Rivers and his antics would have gotten himself run out of NY by now.
Eli is the best of the three
Rivers might get the numbers and Roethlisberger might have one more ring right now, but Eli is still the best quarterback of the bunch. Ben came in to a team that went 15-1. He has been big for them, but a lot of quarterbacks could have gotten 2 rings there.
Rivers, in San Diego, has put up tremendous numbers but you have to look at the differences in system and location. In San Diego, Rivers does not face nearly the winds and weather conditions that Eli is put through. Plus Rivers still hasn’t proven he can win the big one. He’s had a lot of talented teams there in San Diego and has yet to make it to the Superbowl. Not to mention he plays in the pushover AFC West. He is guaranteed a playoff spot every year.
by Somewhere in the Swamps of Jersey on Mar 10, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions
Ben won 1 superbowl
that first one, he had to get out his own way and try not to lose it for the, even he acknowledge that he didnt have to do much, he threw the ball like 8 times a game that year
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Eli is my qb for the next 6 years
But i have to honestly say that when the trade was made I would have rather kept Rivers. I used to watch him play when he was in college and he was good. Good accuracy, poise, arm, moxy, and played better teams. Plus we could have gotten a LB that year as well, who might still be healthy. Now i got no beef with Eli becuz each year he improves and shows he has the ability to win
I'm just fine w Eli
Is he the best ? No.
Can he win multiple SBs? Yes, with the right supporting cast.
The older I get the more I appreciate a class act. The Manning family exudes class.
I want a better insurance policy for Eli.
I agree with you Ed. I rather them grab Mark Brunell or someone like that. Right now I can’t say if ELi got hurt, I would be comfortable with Sorgi at QB. Maybe camp will change my mind but we’ll see
Ed!
‘Splain to me why people think Mark Freaking Brunell is better than Sorgi?? Brunell wasn’t that great in his prime, and his prime was a looooooooong time ago. How long?
I remember being all proud of myself for figuring out the satellite dish at this place we stayed on our honeymoon and watching the Jags/Broncos AFC championship game. You know how I figured out that satellite dish? I moved the big freaking dinosaur out of the way. Because that’s how long ago Brunell’s prime was.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Hugh I have to disagree.
Brunell had a great run with the Jags. He was definitely a top ten quarterback for several years and I am positive I would a As for Sorgi he may become a good quarterback some day but he has no body of work right now and we should not have to depend on him to step in at a critical time if Eli gets hurt. He is a total crapshoot.
As for Brunell he might be not be as good as he once was but he is as good once as he ever was….LOL
No way this is a good move for the Giants.
by giant fan since 57 on Mar 10, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
I’d rather have a QB that can move around a bit and throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 11, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
I saw Brunell play in a game last year and he moved fairly well.
He used to have very good movement and rolled out a lot. I doubt he can still do too much of that but he throws on the run very well. Remember we’re not asking our backup to necessarily win the game. His primary job is to not lose the game. Personally I have more faith that Brunell in that role than Sorgi.
Remember, 40 is the new 30….LOL
by giant fan since 57 on Mar 11, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
You aren't getting much more than 10 yards out of Sorgi either...
I’ve been watching that guy carry a clipboard for Peyton for years now. He’s alright I guess, but doesn’t have a whole lot of arm strength or awareness.
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Well..
I’ll be honest with y’all..I was disappointed when the Giants traded Rivers for Eli..but I am now very pleased having that kid as our QB..I’d like to see him rip a few asses out there but he is a good QB..and will be great someday..Big Ben is a Big dope..Offield there is no comparing them…I still like Rivers for his tenacity on the field, but Eli, though less animated..leads our offense pretty damn good and it will get better..The numbers he posted up last year on that bum foot is his testimonial for being one tough customer…That injury would have benched anyone..Not him.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Big Ben
If there wasn’t already a trade in place, the Giants have already said, that they would’ve drafted Big Ben. So I am so glad that trade happened.
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by Mother Tucker on Mar 10, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Keeping it in the family...
I like the move, I think we should of taken it one step further and signed Cooper or maybe bring in Archie to see what he still has in the tank!!!
but seriously, they didnt cut Sorgi because Peyton wanted him out, it was money, and Im sure Peyton would of wanted him still there, so I think we got a solid backup, and thats exactly what he is a backup.
Eli is very very good to me
He is clutch, and always has been, in 06 everybody was calling for his head. i guess they forgot he drove us dwn the field against philly that year in the playoffs and scored but our D gave up 60yrds in 2 plays, they kick a field goal and win and somehow Eli sucks…….not to mention out of all the QB’s that came out with him, he is in the most complex offense ( u may not see it) as far as calls, checks and qb responsibility goes…..oh yea he plays in NY, trust me, not an easy place for a quiet guy to win over a crowd. added to all that he had pompus vets around him who would rather disrespect him than help him. now look he got them all a ring, except for cryin ass Tiki
I wouldnt trade Eli for anyone, but thats just me i know!
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I think When All is Said and Done
Eli Manning will have a better career than Ben Roethlisberger.
I don’t see Roethlisberger lasting longer than another five to seven years. He is too concussion prone and he seems to make poor judgments off the field.
I took a look at both of their career stats and they are pretty comparable. One stat that jumped out to me was that Roethlisberger has been sacked more than 100 times more than Manning.
Eli has been a above average playoff quarterback. Roethlisberger has been an average at best quarterback in the playoffs. He can thank Santonio Holmes for his second ring because without that spectacular catch the Steelers would have probably lost the game.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Mar 10, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions
When its all said and Done Eli will
Have more rings than Peyton but peyton will have more individual records of course
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Eli v. Ben
Eli: A leader; Quality and still improving on field results; off the field, a unassuming family man, philanthropic with his time and money.
Ben: Questionable team leadership; unquestioned on-field results; off the field, selfish and childish, makes questionable personal choices (two harassment reports, one serious motorcycle accident and counting).
Giants: 1 Steelers: O
Between Rivers' big mouth and Roethisberger's inability to keep his dick in his pants
We got the guy best suited to play in NY. There’s no guarantee either of them have the mental toughness to deal with the NY media scrutiny and star power that comes with being a bigtime NY athlete. Eli might not have the rings or the gaudy stats, but he is unquestionably the one I’d want QB’ing this team.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
I agree with your comment on 'Big Dope'..We all now know where his brain is located..
But if you ever met Rivers you would like him..He is a very nice young man..He was married when he played at NC State, has a wonderful wife and children..I don’t know how people can give a really nice guy a bad rap..that just ain’t right it is wrong..He’s a fierce competitor on the field and a great family man off of it. I know him and since I lived in Raleigh watched him play his entire college career and chatted with him often..I have a football he signed for one of my Sons in my Sportsbar room..Big Dope is a big dope…
Now having said that Eli is my man at QB..He is alot less animated than Rivers but they are both good guys who know have been raised with morales..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think people need to have some historical respect
I think Eli is the best Giants quarterback, statistically in over 30 yrs. Phill Simms is of course in the mix, but statistically not much better if you wanna say he is better. Eli has done alot more in his first years than almost any other Giants quarterback in Giants history. And you know what, I enjoy the fact that people bring him up as a comparison of the best quarterbacks in the league. So although he may not be the best statistically, I can bet you alot of teams in the league would KILL for ELI MANNING!!!!
I would kill for Eli.
Just tell me who to kill, Eli. Andy Reid? Jerry Jones? That fire helmet Jet fan guy? Killdrive?
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I agree with that..He'll break every team record no doubt..
Simms hardly had anybody to throw to so that fact makes it tough to really judge him..but my list :
YA Tittle
Fran Tarkington
Phil Simms
Eli Manning
Not in any preferential order…They are the best QBs this franchise ever had..of course Eli being the current..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Roethlisberger is a unique talent and I think he would have won a Super Bowl here too
BUT
Eli might have 10 more top years in him, if Roethlisberger plays 10 more years he’ll end up a vegetable
big ben would be even better here because of a good iffensive line something he doesnt have in pit
by shenkthetank592 on Mar 10, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
the problem is his style of play
he is at his best when the play breaks down and he improvises
But that means he takes huge shots, eventually the body falls apart
Yep
He even admitted last year that he knows he holds on to the ball for too long a lot of the time but that is also how he makes plays a lot of the time so its ok.
The Oline often takes blame for him holding on to the ball for ever
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 11, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eli is great
and I think Ben is great – on the field, that is.
They both were integral PARTS of Super Bowl winning teams. I don’t know that one is better than the other; rather, I think that one has been on a primed, ready team one more season than the other.
If your QB has his best statistical season and one part of the defense stinks up the joint, you very well may lose out. If the QB is as accurate as can be, and the receivers drop the passes, he won’t have many passing yards. If the defense stops anything that comes its way but your kicker can’t kick through a wet paper sack, you may just lose out. Do you see the recurring theme here? It takes a TEAM effort.
I’m just glad Eli’s on our team, whatwith all Roethlisberger has gotten himself into.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
doesnt sorgie look alot like eli in that pic
by shenkthetank592 on Mar 10, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
I love your sig line...
and totally agree. I’m naturally a Colts fan but am also a big fan of the Giants after what they did to the Pats in that SB. Hell, I named my son Eli because of Eli Manning. I was terribly distraught about how things transpired for the G-Men in 09 and think that next season they will be a force to be reckoned with!
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Eli by a mile....
When Ben first arrived in Pitt, all he had to do was hand the ball off 90% of the time. He did NOTHING in the first SB and they were given that game by the officials. When the game is on the line I will take Eli over Ben and Rivers without question.
on the tail end
just spent a few days with die-hard stillers fans who are ready to shred their Roethlisberger’s jerseys. So, here’s to Eli (and all all the other NFL players who maintain a modicum of control)! Sorgi is a brilliant move, as long as Eli stays injury free and as it gives Bohmar a chance to develop. After Rolle, MLB is where it is at. Do we luck out in the draft? Or do we limp for another year? If KP comes back, then believe we can muddle through, but we still need a man in the middle. In any event, the Gmen need to draft an RB to put some pressure on the Jacobs complacency.
Making a career out of backing up the Mannings
I guess as far as backup jobs to have being behind Eli and Peyton isn’t too bad. Does anyone know how many games Sorgi has started in his career? I know he’s played some garbage 4th quarter time, but not sure of starts.
by South Jersey Wedding Photographer on Mar 11, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions
Zero
he’s only been in 15 games…those Mannings
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 12, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions

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