Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
by Ed Valentine on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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As we continue our Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile series let's look at one of those boom or bust players who provide a glimpse of why the draft is such a crap-shoot.
Defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul of South Florida.
I don't truly understand it, but there are still a healthy number of mock drafts out there showing Pierre-Paul going to the Giants with the 15th pick of the first round -- if not earlier.
To me this is a tremendously raw "project" type of player who would fit either a) with a defensively stacked team that could afford to wait a year for him to develop, or b) with a bottom-feeder type team willing to gamble that Pierre-Paul will turn his potential into production after a year or two.
The Giants don't fit either of those categories. Let's take a closer look, anyway, and figure out what all the fuss is about.
Jason Pierre-Paul Scouting Reports
From SB Nation's Mocking The Draft.
Pierre-Paul possesses good speed and explosiveness at the snap. Combine that with his excellent size, and Pierre-Paul has the makings of a difference maker at the next level. ... Quickness/Explosion: This is what makes Pierre-Paul such a highly sought after player. He can fire out of his stance with ease to get around the corner.
Pierre-Paul is somewhat of an enigma of a defensive end. He’s highly regarded as a pass rusher, but only managed 6.5 sacks in 2009. He’s extremely inexperienced and has the makings of being a player who has to wait and learn for a season before making an impact.
From DraftAce.
A physical freak of nature. Has elite size/speed combination. Has the potential to be a dominant pass rusher at the next level.
Very, very raw. ... Doesn't have a wide range of pass rush techniques; relies on the speed rush. Tackling technique is questionable; uses his arms and doesn't always wrap guys up. Strength is marginal considering his size; could add 10-15 pounds of muscle.
There is no question that Pierre-Paul has the tools to be a truly dominant lineman in the NFL. However, he is far too raw to warrant a high pick. As a rookie he will be a very one-dimensional player. While he may be a decent pass rusher, at this point in time he would get pushed around at the NFL level in running situations.
Why Pierre-Paul fits with the Giants
Because guys with the potential to be great pass rushers are not easy to find. It's the same argument for why the Giants should try to find a way to make peace with Osi Umenyiora. The other thing to consider is that with Osi unhappy and Mathias Kiwanuka a free agent in two seasons the Giants will need a pass-rushing defensive end eventually.
Why the Giants should pass
Primarily cecause this guy is a huge risk. He could be great, but he could also be Vernon Gholston. Our friends at Mocking The Draft have started a 'Bust-O-Meter' as part of their draft coverage. I think it is telling that Pierre-Paul was the first player run through the 'Bust-O-Meter.'
Wrote MTD:
Pierre- Paul has a lot of physical talent and proved that with his impressive work at the combine but this prospect doesn’t come without concerns. Pierre- Paul only has 1 year of major college football experience and that is a cause for concern. It’s been an epidemic in the NFL that organizations ignore production and focus on the athletic abilities. This strategy has hurt franchises more often than not. I think Pierre- Paul's bust potential is higher due to where he is projected to be selected. There is a lot of people projecting him in the top ten and that’s a dangerous position to select an unproven prospect.
I will add to that my opinion that the Giants have too many needs, especially defensively, to take a player in the first round who would be unlikely to help them much in 2010.
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Throw JPP
in the Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes mix as a player who I’d throw the TV out the window if we drafted.
Don’t want em.
Master of the squeegee
and Sergio Kindle too…tried to forget about that one, but its in a few mocks. I’d kick the TV then throw it out the window with that one.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Amen!
We don’t need athletic freak, we need a football player. We don’t need a 34 OLB, we need 43 LBs. We don’t need a WILL pretending to be a safety. We don’t need another MLB too slow to play the position.
Wait, Spikes?
Why dont you like Spikes? I think he has got everything a NFL MLB needs to succeed.
OI812
Bad: no speed, takes plays off, goes for big hit vs. wraping up.
Good: smart, semi-instinctive, occasionally makes big plays, related to Takeo.
….Don’t want another Antonio Pierce.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
LMAO
takes plays off?? i didnt see that tape, and he is regarded as one of the sure tacklers in the SEC actually, its fine that you dont like him, thats all good but dnt false report, thats Mcclain that takes plays off, or arm tackles everyone, Mcclain also isnt as strong man on man ( just look how long it takes for him to get some people to the ground) but great upside tho. Spikes however is an effort machine and he is better at rushing the passer. he is also very instinctive thats the only way you come up with red zone picks like he does………………i would gladly embrace spikes as our MLB i hope it happens. as for Pierre Paul, i will have to pass on him, he would be of no value to the Gmen, and Kiwi will probably be getting a new contract sometime this year while we are uncapped…………I also dont want kindle or mays as well but PP would be too much of a gamble at a position we dnt need a 1st or 2nd rounder to bolster.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Sorry…I’ve seen too much of Spikes and McClain to go head and say that.
Its funny…I basically see the exact opposite in McClain vs. Spikes.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he has everything an NFL MLB needs. He’s not athletic enough. Please don’t give me the “but he played in the SEC” speech either. The SEC is good. It is not the NFL. Let’s also be honest. That Florida defense had a lot of high caliber players meaning Spikes didn’t have to be great. Look, I loved Antonio Pierce. His football smarts were invaluable, but his lack of athletic ability really hurt us at times. There are players available other than Spikes that have the same smarts and better athletic abilities.
Please dnt compare A.P.'s athleticism to spikes ( seriously thats crazy talk)
lol but i have no issues with some not wanting spikes, the reasoning is just a little off from my assessment of him, to each is own tho………….back to PP, he is the topic
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Did you watch the combine?
I’m not the only one questioning Spikes. His combine performance really turned me off. Opting not to do many of the drills and looking bad in the ones he did do really hurt his stock in my eyes. But anyways, yeah PP is a NO!
The Combine is BS
did he look bad in the games?? thats the question, the combine should be about 4% of your player evaluation……………. i also saw bruce cambell (OT) look excellent at the combine but it means nothing to me because he doesnt play like that….. i prefer Competition over Combine……….gholston , the DE that went to cincy last yr, the combine is for athletes tryna take a football players spot on a team….. it happens every year. why would i disregard 3-4yrs of tape for 5 seconds of running???? cmon maaaaaaan
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Depends...
on what tape you are looking at. The games against Top 15, 20, 25 teams or the games against the International University of South Eastern A&M? I can see why the metric gained from the combine could be useful in making a decision, but you are right, can’t get the full player out of the combine. That is why I wish more of these guys would play in a senior bowl type setting. Every school seems to do a pro day now. The combine seems to becoming obsolete, as everyone chooses to do their stuff at pro days.
Sometimes it turns out all right
Mario Williams, Vernon Davis both blew up the combine without much tape. They’re pretty decent players now, wouldn’t you say?
Absolutely
they didnt have much tape but they looked good in their tape……..what im saying is i hate when a player is great for 3 or 4 yrs and then 1 day at the combnine he falls out of the 1st round…..think about it that is insane…… look at what happened to laurinitis and Malalauga, they were regarded as 1 and 2 the year before they came out then for some reason they fell out of the 1st…….. the tape is KING to me even ray lewis was picked behind 4-5 other LBS that dnt exist anymore because people didnt trust the tape.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
The combine isn't everything
but it’s something. There are some things you don’t get to see in games because of schemes players are in etc. The combine helps complete the view of a player. Honestly on game tape I see Spikes as a good college LB on a really good college defense. I don’t see anything on his game tape that jumps out and says bam this guy is it. He seemed like he might be on the slow and stiff side, and was protected by being surrounded by other good players. The combine let me see him run around without pads or antyhing in the way and confirmed he is stiff. In comparison I watch tape of a guy like Weatherspoon and I see a player flying around making plays. He is the difference maker on his team’s defense rather than being just a piece of it. Then I see him in the combine and it confirms what I saw on game tape. He can fly around, he looks smooth, and he can toss up that 225 like its a feather.
The one thing I didn't like about Spikes
was the obvious lack of effort in the drills. The coaches always want the prospects to dig it out and run hard to the finish. I saw him let up towards, but short of, the end of every drill.
You can feel however you like about the combine, but if a guy can’t get up for the most important “job interview” of his life, can you really take him seriously?
That being said, I really like what I’ve seen of him in game film.
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It Depends on when i meet him &
His response as to why he didnt compete, Mcclain didnt compete either behind some bogus injury that was reported late. which lest me know he just wasnt prepared but again his tape is solid so that kinda thing doesnt diminish you toooo much in my eyes. all im saying is their is more than one way to eval a player and the tape is KING to me. 40 times with no infront of you while ur in your underwear dnt mean too much to me but everybody is diff in thier eval. methods. to each is own
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Actually, McClain tweeked his hammy in the Senior Bowl.
and ran a 4.74 at his pro day, Today
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I am with you on Spikes
I think Spikes would be a good pick for the Giants in the second round. Now about Sergio Kindle he would also be a good pick if we trade Osi due to his unhappiness if hes not the starter. If Osi is traded giants could get a mid level #1 plus an added #5. We could use both picks or try to trade the #1 for two #2’s or at least a #2 and a #3 more picks more help. I was also thinking if the Giants Do miss on McClain in the first round they could trade down to about #20 to #23 and still pick up up Brian Price and get an additional #2 or #3 added to that trade down. The Giants could end up with 6 draft picks in the first 3 rounds plus an extra #5 pick on top of that. A little draft hording like the N E Pats.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
If we are to take a DE...
I thought the guy from Georgia Tech, Morgan?, was supposed to be the best DE and available at 15. I agree, no on Spikes, Mays, and Kindle. Yes to Spiller or Earl Thomas, or an OL, basically BPA.
I dont see a need for a 1st round safety
that would be alotta money spent on one position in a short period of time but JR did say he is approaching things as if KP is not coming back but now hes saying antrell was brought in to make a great tandem with kenny so i dont know what they are going to do. it is a possibility
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Last year...
the news was that KP’s knee condition will be chronic and could potentially be a career ending thing. Yes the surgery went well and he is progressing on schedule. But, exactly, JR should approach it like KP might not ever be back to 100% form. Earl Thomas is legit and, if he is still there at 15, a case could be made for him being the BPA.
chronic knee
It’s my understanding he had cartilage grafted to the bone inside his knee. The procedure went well, but nobody knows how long it will last. Could last 10 years, or only 10 games.
I think JR is approaching the season knowing KP will come into the year near 100%, but nobody knows if he’ll make it through the year.
there was no graft as far as I know.
They did microfracture surgery, which is basically poking holes in the cartilage and letting it heal, hoping to create new cartilage.
Grafting would be taking cartilage from somewhere else and placing it in the knee surgically.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I could be wrong,
but I read that the cartilage in the knee was so worn away that he needed a graft. The cartilage was taken from somewhere else and the bone in the knee was micro-fractured so that it would hold onto the implanted cartilage when it healed.
I can’t remember where i read about it…
Microfracture, Ostiochondral paste "graft" is the confirmed procedure
A sliver of cartilage is removed from a non-essential or “flap” area including bone is morsellized and installed over the microfractured joint area.
Routine microfracture surgery has been determined to not have long term success without the addition of a paste graft. It is, actually drilling with fine wires into the bone, not the cartilage as Free stated.
The fibers from MF surgery, by itself, never really get a chance to develop into hyalene cartilage in athletes. The reason for the quotation marks around the word graft is because it’s not a single piece of cartilage that gets sewn into place, more like a raw aggregate. With the multiple pieces all developing fibrous cartilage to bond with eachother speeds up the healing process exponentially. The recovery from a graft would take longer than the schedule indicates. It is, however, in line with the above stated procedure.
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sun you ought to re post that in fan posts
very informative
Very interesting
suniion333, can I ask where you found that information on microfracture and paste grafting? I would like to read more on it, but can’t find your source. Thanks.
Which journal?
I have access to most medical journals. Could you give me the reference or the pubmed ID? Thanks.
Yes, Morgan
seems like a skilled all-around DE who could make a contribution as a rookie. The Giants don’t need a DL project now, nor do they need a 3-4 OLB like Kindle who they would need to rebuild to play a different position. They’re already doing that with Sintim.
Well as long as we're listing players to skip
Don’t forget Carlos Dunlap, the 6’6 280lb DE from Florida. Urban Meyer knows how to win, but his players don’t seem to be NFL-worthy… Other than the Percy Harvin last year.
yup.
I dunno even about Joe Haden. Its not the 4.57 that scares me..that was just poor form on the 40 run (..he ain’t gonna use no 40 run form on Sunday’s…).
Its the fact he used the wider hash marks to his advantage at Florida..like he was taught to.
I’d rather they get a FSU player or two (Pat Robinson, Dakota Watson, Myron Rolle).
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
with players from FLA but spikes is the only sure thing out of all of them including Tebow LOL, Haden is a baller, i dont care about no 40 tiime or form, he is not a track star. The combine just stirs up doubts about good players and positives about bad ones, thats all
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
What about guys like Brandon Graham or that LT from Iowa? They looked awesome on tape but scouts were worried about their athleticism/measurables. The combine showed that they had NFL level stats. Doesn’t always have to be a bad thing.
True
the combine should be used in that type of way thats cool. the most important thing about the combine to me is player interaction, you get to see whos a leader and whos a follower and you get to look a man in his eyes and see if he is genuine but pass that, i just watch for fun
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I was on the horse saying Spikes is slow since December. The combine has nothing to do with it
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
yes you were
your spikes hate is very genuine and consistent! I appreciate the fact that you dont flip flop
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Hold up...
did you just “LOL” your own post?
yes
is that against the rules, i forgot to add it in my original reply. sorry!
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spikes is a little slow
but is it just me or is mcclain not that impressive when watching his game tape.
im stuck with watching youtube selections, but Mcclain isnt that great at shedding blockers. He seems to get pushed back by lineman and lead blocks and Ive seen lack of explosion in most of his tackles.
although he has had good games, i just dont see alot out of him on tape, but then again..youtube vid makers can make chris dudley look great with highlights videos
with spikes— i see a bit of a decrease in speed in comparison to mcclain.. but I see a lot more “motor plays” out of him. And he seems to breakthrough blockers at a higher rate.
i dont know.. with looking at them both. I dont see the giants taking either at 15. someone plz put me on some of the great mcclain videos so i can see what everyone else speaks of
I watched the BCS Championship Game
McCoy goes out and I’m saying, McClain must be licking his chops, the backup has thrown like 10 passes, I figure without the credible threat of a passer he goes nuts, racing around hitting anything that moves
It didn’t happen. He didn’t play poorly, but a great one, a guy like Willis or Mayo would have just taken over that game.
IMO I think
drafting him at 15 is to much of a gamble. He is freakisly talented but to raw. I think he has 7 career college starts??? No way I’m risking the 15th pick on him. If we were picking late in the round I might chance it.
Drafting possibles, tell me what you think
First of all i’d like to say first time poster so be gentle but we are giants fans so not too gentle i can take it… FIRST – i think Spoon is better than both Spikes and McClain and worth taking if we trade down. He is interchangeable at LB and for some reason I dont think McClain is as good as everyone wants him to be. He is being compared to Ray Lewis, well ray plays in a 3-4 D and McClain would rather be in a 3-4 D. As far as safety i hate Mays lol…and would prefer Morgan Burnett from GT or Chad Jones from LSU.
I don't think Mays or any of those top tier Safeties are possibilities anymore
The Giants have never really placed much importance on the position until it blew up in their face last year. Now that they’ve signed Rolle to a massive contract, it’s not likely they’d suddenly go crazy and draft a day 1 or 2 safety. We won a super bowl with a round 5 and a UDFA safety…
And Spoon is definitely a solid choice for MLB, it just doesn’t seem like JR makes a lot of moves during the draft though.
I agree
McClain is a better fit for 34 ILB, and Weatherspoon can play any 43 LB spot you want. Who doesn’t want that kind of versatility on their team?
You dont think
We should ensure the safety position with another draft pick. CC Brown is outta here and as much as i want KP back until he proves otherwise i dont consider him part of the roster. I agree we wont the SB with less and Peter Guinta has done a good job with the not so good talent put in front of him but i still think we should grab another project safety to mold. MJ is decent but if he doesnt show that he’s good he’s gonna lose his job. Unless shareff rashad is as good as the coaches want him to be i think it would be good to draft another one. Good thing about the draft is safeties fall so we could probly get a good project like TJ ward. Sorry but unlike the rest of football i’m not sold on Myron Rolle.
I think McClain is 100%
overrated. But a quick note on Ray Lewis, he plays in a 3-4 now. Lets not forget he was as dominant as they come when they were using the 4-3 as well.
I would take a chance on Spoon. I dont love Taylor Mayes as much as some, but dont hate him as much as others. He has physical tools and listening to him he sounds like he has the drive and desire to get better. But I wouldnt take him at 15.
I think Taylor Mays
Did exactly what everyone expected him to do. Prove that he is a workout warrior. I see him being another Roy Williams but better. A more suitable comparison would probably be Laron Landry
keep in mind, this guy played opposite george selvie…. and only got 6.5 sacks! He is a freak, but when I saw him in person against Syracuse (a terrible SU squad) he didnt impress except for an INT i think.
PASS.
If Jim Boeheim doesn’t win coach of the year….they should just not hand out the award anymore.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
+1
According to the “experts,” Cuse was a consensus preseason failure.
Charlie: I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
by Larry Soprano on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Pass
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I'd rather watch the King Kong movies than this guy..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Rolo news
I’ve been watching a Tide Sports columnists twitter acount that said McClain ran his 40 in the 4.6’s. Not bad for a guy near 260 lbs.
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Correction: He ran a 4.74, about what was expected
I don’t know about you guys, but I never want to see my MLB running a strraightline to catch up to someone ever again, so the 40 does little to sway me either way at this position. I would have, however, liked to see his effort and his work in the position drills.
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Rolando McClain cut his workout short and revealed that he has Crohn's Disease.
Don’t know what the prognosis is, but David Garrard is a Crohn’s sufferer and he’s managed to play the toughest position on the field, so…….
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Yep
This guy is a bust waiting to happen. Well, not really, if he gets drafted to the right organization with a good coaching staff he can develop into a decent player. But if I see another mock draft with the Giants selecting Pierre-Paul or Sergio Kindle… (ugh).
When they do that, it's like phoning it in. They certainly didn't do any research.
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no.
I actually like that about him
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't impress me....
But with it or without, he doesn’t impress me.
On Pierre-Paul....
No thanks. If we’re going to get lucky with a DE being available at #15, I think his name is Morgan. I’ll join the chorus of not wanting Spikes, Mays, Kindle or Dunlap. Hopefully this is a RARE #15 pick and we’ll be drafting deeper in the future, and I don’t think we want to muff it going for a “project”, a “tweener” or a head case.
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