Mock Draft Monday, 03/01/10
by cjmulrain on Mar 1, 2010 5:37 PM EST
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PrintGood evening, Giants fans. As the NFL moves past the combines, draft coverage around the world wide web will be kicking into high gear (slackers: we here at Big Blue View have been in high gear since the Giants unceremonious end to the season), and because of that, we'll be running a Mock Draft Monday from here until the NFL Draft. The mock drafts that I've been tracking have seen very few changes over the past month and a half, but expect that to change by next week, as the combine results are analyzed and players shoot up (or down) the draft boards.
DT Brian Price of UCLA remains the most popular target for the Giants, as predicted by Mocking the Draft, Walter Football, & Raul Colon of FF Toolbox. I haven't been following the combines too closely (like Ed I believe they're mostly worthless and are actually a conspiracy by 31 owners to ensure that Al Davis wastes his pick on draft day), so other than this information that he outperformed Ndamokong Suh & Gerald McCoy in the bench press, I'm not sure how his stock has been affected. I will be interested to see if he's still the most popular choice for the Giants in the coming weeks.
Everybody's favorite set of hair/draft analyst, Mel Kiper Jr., has come out with his second mock draft, and he has the Giants taking OLB Sergio Kindle from Texas. Kiper, who had the Giants taking Florida DE Carlos Dunlap in his first mock, describes this as a "need pick" and says that "Kindle will need to overcome size issues." Not sure I like the sound of that, although Kindle does have a pretty cool name.
Draft Ace has the Giants taking DE Derrick Morgan from Georgia Tech. They give an apt description of the problem for the Giants in this draft: "Their primary need (linebacker) is arguably the weakest position in the draft. Other than Rolando McClain, there isn't a slam dunk 1st-round pick and certainly not one clearly worthy of the 15th selection."
Finally, for those of you who are interested, Walter Football has actually done mock 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds as well. They have the Giants taking S Chad Jones of LSU in the 2nd, RB Anthony Dixon of Mississippi St. in the 3rd, and LB Sean Lee of Penn St. in the 4th (in addition to Brian Price in the first).
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Brian Price is still a good pick. I think he did well at the combine, I think the bench thingy shows he’s as strong as anyone in the DT class.
I like Derrick Morgan too…dude is an animal and definitely a BPA type pick.
Price, Morgan or Dan Williams are probably the best DL spot picks for the Giants.
Kindle makes no sense cuz he’s a SLB or better off as a OLB….Kiper’s an idiot.
…I still think its funny not a single mock has the Giants getting an OT with their first pick. I think there’s a good chance they go OT.
…And yea, Spiller with that 4.27 is still a good pick. He’s probably gone tho….
Master of the squeegee
and I like Anthony Dixon too…he’s a HAMMER type RB, but I dunno. I’d much rather them look at a Tiki type who can do it all.
I think they really need to get a receiver out of the backfield for Eli, either someone on the roster or some other way.
I’m getting tired of seeing him run around back there and he has no one to dump the ball off to. I could imagine how good Eli would’ve been last year if he had a Tiki type back to dump the ball off to when there was no receivers open.
Master of the squeegee
He did, I’d be surprised if he was out of the 1st round…he’s likely the Chargers pick.
As Sean Weatherspoon’s agent points out…so did Sean Weatherspoon…but like I’ll say, he doesn’t really fit.
Him moving to MLB is a project type move so that’s why I wait till the 2nd for him.
Darryl Washington vs. Weatherspoon is moot to me…and Washington’s more likely to be there in round 2.
Master of the squeegee
Daryl Washington
Looked good kinda light tho
Everybody has got Washington as an ILB and I believe he projects well there
I also believe that he was the most seamless in the drills and showed the technique to be a Stud at Mike. Add 10-20 lbs of muscle and you’ve got a VERY special player.
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Mike Mayock has Washington as an OLB
I’m not sure how effective he would be if there are blockers in his face.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 1, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Joel Weister at FFToolbox still has them taking OT Bruce Campbell from Maryland, but he hasn’t updated since before my last “Mock Draft Monday” post, so I didn’t include him this week. I have a feeling every mock I’ve been following will be updated by next week, so we’ll see how things look then
2009 Did Not Happen
Kindle
Kindle is not a bad pick if the Giants get a second 1st round pick for trading Osi. Kindle can play both DE and OLB. he plays a very good game,Derrick Morgan I would jump at if he some how falls in the draft but not likely. Price is my pick for the first round at #15 or if they trade down to about #20 so to get extra pick later in draft. The Giants should go after Jared Veldheer OT in the 3rd to 4th rounds, he has been coming up the boards from around the 5 th to 6th rounds. He comes from a small division II school so hes not going to jump into the first two rounds unless Oakland overdoes it on a pick. After all that look for the Giants to take Zoltan Mesko P / K from Michigan with a late round pick. This Kid has booming Leg out of college that has not been seen in the last 10 years at least. Osi trade #1 mid level and a 5 or 6 added. Giants #15 trade down to about #20 gets extra 2 or 3 round pick.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Sean Lee Sean Weatherspoon Daryl Washington
I dont pay much attention to the combine but all three of them looked better than Spikes more fluid in there movements especialy LEE and WEATHERSPOON for the inside linebacker spots they can be steals
Sean Lee
looked very quick and fluid for a guy you’d expect to be a hole-plugging ILB. He could run circles around Spikes. Injury history or not, there’s no way he drops to the 4th round.
Except ILB isn't only about playing deep zone and covering tight ends
you also have to take on blockers and tackle the RB.
and sean lee and daryl washington are going to get run over in the nfl against most teams that run the ball
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 2, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Lee isn't so slight
I think that Washington is an OLB, which is too bad, but Spoon looked perfect for MLB
Spikes
The thing with Spikes as with McClain is the fact is the ability for play calling that Pierce did for the Giants. The other players can play the position but play calling on the D- Unit is a limited thing to a special few players. Spikes and McClain level out to this type of player that is why you see them so high on boards. Players like Lee if you watched the college game you will have saw were given the D- Plays by other players on the team. I am not saying they can’t be steals in the draft but the Giants need a control MLB / ILB to replace Pierce. Pierce was not only a top line player but he was a heady / thinking player a coach on the field.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'm off the Price bandwagon
Other than a good first step he doesn’t offer much else, no pass rushing moves, he is unlikely to put more weight on his body so he will get pushed around by the bigger guards as well.
Here is my current dream giants mock draft:
Round 1. Earl Thomas (he is only an inch shorter than Ed Reed and slightly heavier so he isn’t that undersized)
Round 2. Brandon Spikes (clearly the 2nd best MLB after McClain and our defense needs someone with his kind of attitude)
Round 3. Arthur Jones (he will probably drop because of the injuries but he is very talented and a NY guy)
Round 4. BPA OT or RB
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 1, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions
I’d go with that.
Dunno if Spikes is there…disagree that he’s the 2nd best MLB in the draft…but whatever, he’d be a good 2nd round pick if he’s there.
Master of the squeegee
I was surprised by a lackluster performance by Spikes today.
Actually, Darryl Washington was the most impressive in drills today. I really liked this kid Donald Butler as well. Weatherspoon was pretty smooth in drills. Lee looked very good, better than expected. Angerer appeared solid, but not jumping out in any way.
Regardless, I prefer the game film, but this showed me something I didn’t care for when it came to Spikes. I hope we get a chance to see his pro day before the jury comes back.
As an aside, the Giants coaching staff was well represented. Mike Pope was running some of the TE drills and Al Holcomb(def.qual. control) was running some of the LB drills. Mike Waufle was there with the DL prospectsin his Oakland colors(We’ll miss you Mike). I’m sure that Dave Merritt will be there with the Safeties tomorrow and Giunta will probably be involved with the BC’s.
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Butler is a workout warrior. Just like Jeff Owens.
If we’re going workout warrior, I’d rather look at Ben Tate in the 3rd round. He was actually good in college..you know, when they play the games?
Washington would still be my ideal 2nd rounder, he showed up 6"2 230 which is very Vilma’ish.
Master of the squeegee
It's easy to say that, what with the bench press results, but
I didn’t even see that until I went to look at that and his 40 time after seeing a vrelatively polished player in the drills. He’ll definitely need some coaching, but the raw talent is off the charts.
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It is.
But if he’s there in the 4th, and we’re choosing between players who made it happen on the field such as Angerer..vs. someone like Butler, I go Angerer.
Actually…I go Jamar Chaney over basically all these guys. He played all over the field at South Carolina and is versatile enough to play every LB spot. He also worked out well.
Master of the squeegee
Agree on Chaney
I thought Angerer looked a little stiff in drills and Chaney was a little rough around the edges.
I wish I could find some film on Butler that’s newer than ’07. He looked better in the drills than both Angerer and Chaney and I think he may fall to the 5th.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
don't put to much into the combine scores.
Watch tapes of the Games the player played in. Speed in tee shirt and shorts don’t do a thing, you play the game in full Pads you should be checked the same way. The Combine does not show a players field vision or feel for the game as it is happening. Because of the combine you have seen in the past players that were not thought to be good players brought up to the top levels in the draft just to bust on the field on the field. The combine has to change in format to game like conditions. Time the runs in pads and without pads and check the differences. Weight room check the reps and weights but also check the players endurance and weight room records from past years to see his developement time lines.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Draft
I think we need to take Earl Thomas if hes available! I think Rolando McClain is 1 and Earl is 1a but honestly with Perry Fewell I think we should take Earl Thomas to me hes better then any safety in the draft, after watching tape on him,Berry and Mays. Earl has INCREDIBLE RANGE! he hits hard and he recognizes the run SOOO WELL! He reminds me about Kenny Phillips when he recognizes run hes all over it, giving Coach Fewell Earl and Kenny it would allow him to disguise his defenses so well because Earl Thomas has an amazing understanding of playing zone..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrjr5HG_ck&feature=related
just watch these lowlights and highlights
Giants need to get EARL THOMAS! and for the rest of the draft Iike Navarro Bowman,Sean Lee,Sean Weatherspoon,Dekoda Watson, I also like Lamarr Houston and Jared Odrick
draft
Although the Giants do need an Earl Thomas type of player there is more of a need on the D- Line for a blue chip impact player. This draft does not have D- Line impact players in the later rounds but it does have many D- Backs that can be had in rounds 2,3, and 4 that can help the team. If the Giants trade Osi {hopeing here} for a mid level first round pick plus a 5th or 6th round pick it would help the team out. I would like to see the Giants pick Jared Veldheer OT in rounds 3 or 4 I think he has more upside than Odrick. Lamar Houston would be a good pick for the Giants. With Osi trade in mind I would go Price DT and Kindle OLB / DE in the first round. In second Brandon Spikes ILB / MLB in the mold of Pierce D- Unit play caller, only other player I see as play caller is McClain ILB / MLB in first round and he wont be at #15. 3rd round D- Backs. In the 6th round Zoltan Mesko P / K from Michiagin, booming leg that does all kicking duties Punting and Kicking the Giants need him badly.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yes for Mesko
but at this point there is no way we get a #1 for Osi
Kindle had 2.5 sacks through all of 2009(the only year he played as a starter at DE)
Why would the Giants have any intention to take him??
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 3, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
The combine....
gets a bum rap. The most important things to draw from the event is the side by side comparisons, the competitiveness of the participants and the interviews. You could see the players who let up the moment they reached the finish in the 40 and who only gave as much as it took to get through a drill.
Honestly, I didn’t think Price helped himself. He looked very stiff. Suh showed why he is the number 1 consensus player in the draft. He outperformed McCoy by a sizeable margin in every drill except the “stroke the media” event. McCoy is one funny MoFo!
Mcclain dissapointed by not participating and we found out he’s nursing a hammy. I would have liked to see him alongside Spikes and Washington.
Speaking of Washington, he looked fluid and polished in the drills. Spikes not as much(It looked to me as if he wasn’t giving much effort). Lee performed well, possibly higher than expected. Jamar Chaney looked real good, Weatherspoon was as special as was expected, Angerer was good but not excessively impressive and the kid Donald Butler was a surprise sleeper. I liked the Butler kid alot(especially as a later round option), but Washington impressed me the most.
Guys, I believe we’ve found our blocking TE in a kid named Brody Eldridge(Sorry, he doesn’t have a cool name like Bear Pascoe) from Oklahoma. 6-5 261 lbs and loves to block. I didn’t get to see him in receiving drills, but who cares? The kid is a beast and reaks of good technique as well as a passion for blocking.
Well, tomorrow the DB’s check in. I will have to DVR it so I can review it as it is going to be interesting.
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sorry
but I’ve just seen way too many instances of guys who were great in college who fell b/c of their combine performance who went on to be great in the NFL, and vice versa. I’ll agree that the combine is a good way to separate a guy like Suh from a guy like McCoy, or to confirm that someone like Brandon Spikes is lazy or unmotivated, but there is no excuse for a guy to fall more than a few picks or rise more than a few picks based on how he does without pads in the middle of the offseason.
2009 Did Not Happen
Lee
If Lee did not have injury problems he would be in the first two rounds of picks. Eldridge looks to be a 5 or 6 pick, great blocker so so at recieving. Before Spikes went into the combine his college coach noted he was going in under the weather {sick}.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
More Drafts?
CJ – Why not include the DraftCountdown.com mock in this rundown? I know Ed uses them in the daily prospect countdowns – and, to keep us eternally optimistic, he has McClain falling to us at #15
Mocks
What CJ and I decided to do is only reference mock drafts that have changed since the last time we did a ‘Mock Draft Monday.’ Countdown’s mock has not changed in three weeks. So, each Monday when we do these you will only see a mock referenced if it is a ‘fresh’ one that has been recently updated.
yup - this
that said, if you guys have ideas for good mocks that I’m not including, let me know. I’m always on the lookout for more good ones.
2009 Did Not Happen
McClain
McClain will not go past #12 in the draft, he is a great blue chip player but his big upside is that he is an excellent D- Unit play caller. Only other D-Unit play caller that is any where near him in skill is Brandon Spikes and that is why Spikes has come up in the draft from late 3 and 4th rounds to 2nd rounds status. No chance of taking McCain who I would love the Giants to get but taking Spikes in the 2nd round looks good. I would like to see the Giants trade Osi for a Mid level 1st plus a 5th or 6th round pick Giants can pick both Price DT and Kindle OLB / DE in the first round and than pick Spikes in the 2nd round. With extra pick from Osi trade in 5th or 6th round I would take Zoltan Mesko P / K from Michigan, he has the best leg coming out of college in the past 10 or so years and does both sides of the Kicking game.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Sean Weatherspoon
Stock went up alot after today
There will be quite a bit of mock shuffling after Wednesday.
I’ve already got a bunch of risers and fallers.
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If
Walter football gets it right, i would be the happiest person in the world.
This is all so interesting...I have no comment..
I’m not really interested in Mock Drafts..I’m interested in who we wind up with..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I didn't sunlion..say anything...At least I don't think I did
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Some of this thread is funny
Weatherspoon isn’t a MLB
A guy is a good value at 20 but not 15
You can’t draft a DE even if you think he is far better than any other available player
you can't draft a DE?
Why?
No one makes a case for why DE is a bad pick other then they have players there (some that apparently have found teh fountain of youth..and also are in the good graces of the organization).
Not only can you draft a DE…Between Derrick Morgan and an OT…I think its likely.
Master of the squeegee
Dude
You were saying that you could, other people were saying that it was moronic (to paraphrase)
I love Derrick Morgan, (Dunlap a lot less, many of his pre-draft measurements were way short, like 2" and 30lbs), he plays hard on every down, and has the right kind of body to be a 3 down DL.
True 3 down DL are harder and harder to find. If the team looks at him and says that guy could be another Strahan, you draft him and thats that.
Personally I find the evaluation of DL to be near impossible to evaluate, the jump is all about leverage and technique, which most of the best athletes haven’t refined much because they haven’t had to. But when I look at Morgan I see Stray or Tuck, not Kiwi or Osi.
Morgan
Derrick Morgan is a monster of a player but like McClain will not be available at #15 for the Giants both are future all pro’s.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Man it was a cold day on the Golf course this morning down here..
I’d have preferred to be drinking a beer in the Keys with George at the Hogs Breath Saloon..but he’s already home now..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Okay I will pipe in here..
I think we have a good MLB in Goff..so let’s not screw that up they didn’t get him to ride the pine and I’ll be surprised if they try to find a MLB.. they have already replaced AP with Goff..Let’s get a DT and start working on the OL..and find a Safety..and a blocking/catching TE that can help Boss from getting killed out there…All this bullshit about ‘Mock Drafts’ is just fodder for us to bullshit about..they already have an agenda that details what they’ll look for in the draft and entertain via FA….Bottomline is they will pick the best available player whether he fills a hole or not..they are not idiots..they know what they are doing…Let’s have a discussion after the draft to compare what these moron experts said we’d draft versus who we actually draft..These self-proclaimed ‘Seers’ are about as good as we are..in their case ‘useless’ in our case ‘helpless’.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Goff
Goff is a very good player but is not a D- Unit play caller and that is what the Giants need. McClain is the best player that fits that mold after him it would be Brandon Spikes. McClain will be gone before #15 but Spikes will be around at the Giants pick in the 2nd round. Spikes is rated that high because he is a D- Line play caller that plays his position very well but is not the top blue chip.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
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They would not trade up with Osi to get Thomas. NO way.
"I'm not a scratch golfer. I don't know how to bowl. I can't read the stock market. Hell, I have a hard time rememberingmy wife's cell phone number. But I can call 'Flip right double X jet 36 counter naked waggle at 7 X quarter' in my sleep" - Gruden
by I_Formation27 on Mar 2, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thomas and trade up
Why trade up to get Thomas granted he is a blue chip at his position the Giants have stronger needs. The Giants Need D- Line help even more than DB’s. You will not get a top line DT outside od the 1st round but you can get top line D- Backs in rounds 2,3, and 4. And to trade Osi along with #15 would bring you up to the first 5 picks in the draft, why not go for Berry. I am all for trading Osi because I only see problems in the future with him. He is ME FIRST all the way. I would trade Osi for a mid level 1st round pick plus a 5th or 6th round pick. His replacement would be Kindle OLB / DE in the First round and the later pick from the trade would be Zoltan Mesko P / K from Michigan. he has the best leg coming out of college in the past 10 or so years. Also he does both Kicking and Punting duties with a booming leg, 60 yard field goals he has done. Fill three needs not one with the trade remember the Giants will still have #15 to use. The Giants can trade down from #15 to about # 20 and pick up an extra #2 or #3 with the trade down and still be able to pick up Brian Price DT and with the other pick an extra D- Back like Allen, Warren or Jones. From one pick #15 and one player Osi you can fill 4 positions of great need. I would take 4 players over one player any day unless it was a Larence Taylor clone.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
My 2 cents...
I’ve got agree with giantblue63 and FreeBradshaw on the BPA bit. If it’s close, you’ve got to look at need, but if one guy is clearly a superior player, you take him. If you have to, you make room for him by trading and upgrading your need positions with the proceeds. But it’s football. Injuries aren’t the unexpected, they’re a fact of life, all teams will have them, and lots of key players go down every year. The Giants are one misplaced hit in a preseason game from having quarterback as their biggest need for 2010. You just never know, that’s why you stockpile talent wherever you find it. Yes, you have to fill your needs, but you don’t have only the draft as a way of doing that.
2 cents
If the Giants resign Carr not all will be lost he did play well when given the chance. When he was on his old team he had no chance with the O-Line that he had. He had no chance to learn the pro game at that time with the constant sacks and rushes. He has been learning with the Giants and TC has said that Carr has been a great addition to the team. This is why hes on the team in the first place, he now can be a starter on another team if given a chance.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, I'd take Bradford....
I don’t like Spikes in the first place, don’t see him as a first rounder, and Bradford would bring a lot better than Spikes in trade.
Mr. McClain....
you sign on that line right there.
All day Suh over McClain. He’s simply in a different class of player.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 1, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Won't argue....
I didn’t see Suh before I posted the first time, just McClain. I’d take EITHER in the full choice offered and Suh first.
Sur and McClain
Suh and McClain are both top of the line players just different positions. The reason everyone sees Suh as better is the fact that how many DT’s come out of college and play the position with as much desire and fire to rate the top pick and McCoy is a step behind him then you fall almost out of the first round to price. McClain could go almost as high as both of them if the need was there. Its position need and impact as to the players. You can see it in this draft Suh might not be the first player picked because the Rams need a QB. If I were the Rams and I knew I was going to pick a QB and not a D- Player I would trade down to Tampa. Tampa would get a choise between Suh and McCoy, the Rams get the QB they want plus a second round pick for trading down.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I worry that McClain is overhyped
It happens every year, good players get pumped up to great
It seems to happen...
and then James Lauranitis and Rey Maualuga seem like very good NFL players.
Will Beatty was quite hyped up..then fell a bit.
There’s a few teams that could really use a Franchise LT that are going to look real dumb if Will Beatty becomes that.
Most of the time, coming straight from the season…most of the good players are the good players…especially from teh big schools (the small school guys can move up tho)
But if someone moves up drastically..just based on the offseason…usually he’s a bust when they actually play the games…
McClain was teh best LB in the country coming out of college. I doubt that the offseason workouts will really change that.
If he falls to the Giants…we’ll be laughing for the next 8-10
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 1, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to think you are right
But for me, when a guy who has no injury reported all of a sudden has hammies and he isn’t running, that is a scary alarm
If McClain ran at the combine on a notorious slow track, and threw down a 4.75 I’d be saying, he’ll slip and we should grab him. But what if it means his speed has always been overrated, that he really doesn’t have the straight line speed to handle coverage or even a good sized zone.
Then he is not the guy for the Giants 4-3
Personally I hope he has a great pro day and he falls to us. But 4.8 at his pro day will get awfully suspicious
O- Line players
Players on the O- Line coming in most of the time you will see some sort of drop off because of the learning curve to the pro game. If you really come down to it, it does happen to most players because a lot of colleges do not play pro sets. McClain ILB / MLB will not pass #12 in the first round. The thing that sets him apart from other D- Unit players is he is great at calling the D- Unit plays, he is the coach on the field. The only other player that is almost as good a play caller in Brandon Spikes ILB / MLB who will go to the Giants in the second round and he will need time to round out to the top level player that he will be, again the learning curve. Biggest learning curve Tebow but after learning the NFL will have a monster on its hands.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
So if for some strange reason
The draft goes
Suh, McCoy, Berry, McClain, Thomas,Weatherspoon, Williams, PRice, Darryl Washington, Brandon Spikes, JAred Odrick, Chad Jones, Lamarr Houston and Arthur Jones.
You want to draft a S/MLB/DT?
Now we are talking Torell Troup with the 15th pick instead of say Joe Haden because we have CB depth already??
That is the problem with drafting for need, when does it stop
A need can only be filled with a quality player, a player that plays a position of need doesn’t get better because he fills your need. You usually just find out that you still have a need, only a bit down the road
I can’t see how a draft that goes
Derrick Morgan (if he’s the best available + taking need somewhat into account)
Nate Allen S
Roger Staffold OT
Jamar Chaney MLB
Best available DT Linval Joseph, Geno Atkins, Earl Mitchell, Jay Ross, Torrell Troup..possibly Arthur Jones falls this far?
I can’t see how that’s a bad thing.
There’s plenty of rounds to find a starting safety, a DT to throw in the rotation, a MLB to compete with Goff, an OT for the future…all the while taking the BPA at #15.
Drafting certain positions certain rounds isn’t necessary. Just cuz its a need..doesn’t meant you gotta take care of it right away.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 1, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ok Ok
Lets throw into the mix that the Rams really want a QB. This can set into motion the Rams trading down to #3 and still get the pick of QB’s they want with an added 2nd round pick added to the trade. Tampa comes away with the top DT in the draft and not a DB who should not be picked that high.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
We all pretty much agree that JR is a great GM..
Yet we all talk about fixing his problems for him..I feel the guys he got will come through for us..Yes he had players that got hurt..and some of them are serious and present questionable futures for the team..but there are many that were hurt and they’ll be back…and they have already addressed training to ensure that the players get and stay healthy…So we’ll see what happens…Aaron Ross to me is a mystery..I can’t understand how his hamstring kept him out basically an entire season..Now I know Ed had mentioned he tore his Achilles and I have heard how d that kind of injury can have the potential to ruin a career..but I have had hamstring pulls and I didn’t ever take more than four weeks to come back full speed…But we need, they need to keep an eye on Brown..and Phillips..Those two players health status will play a big deciding factor in what they decide to do in both the draft and FA.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think with Ross he came back from the hamstring injury too soon and then caused some major damage to it by trying to run too soon.
I think that this whole year of not playing much will be good for him and he can get his life and priorities back in order.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 1, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Also I seriously doubt that Earl Thomas will be off the board by #15
so a lot of this won’t mean much.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 1, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions
The Niners and Jaguars could use a S.
If Thomas blazes a low 4.4, or below? He could be off the board.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 1, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
but don’t forget a lot of teams still don’t value safeties as much(don’t know why), and both the jags(Dline, QB, WR) and 9ers(Oline, OLB) have bigger problems.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 1, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well…the Jags don’t need a QB, Garrad’s good (they’re not dumb enough to go Tebow), DL they drafted top 10 last year (tho maybe Morgan’s a possibility) and WR I dunno.
Niners could use a ball-hawk in the secondary as much as the Giants.
Teams may not value safety…which could play in the Giants favor (as it could for McClain).
Sometimes when there is a player of ET’s caliber, they make the exception.
Also…there is talk he could be the best CB in the draft…making the Browns a possibilty (for the S position too)
Its not out of the question for him to fall…also, not out of the question for him to be long off the board.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 1, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Garrard isn't good LOL
He is a fumble machine and other than that 1 decent season in 2007, hes been a major reason why they’ve sucked. They actually drafted OLine last year so DL is more likely this year (they had like 13 sacks the whole year).
I’m confident though that he will be there at 15.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 1, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why take Thomas in the first round
Look I know Thomas is a blue chip but you can pick up great DB’s in rounds 2,3, and 4 but you can not pick up a top line DT after the first round. Also I would trade Osi for a mid level 1st round pick plus a 5th or 6th rounder. Osi is to much ME FIRST of a player and will cause to mant problems in the future. The Giants could trade down from #15 to about #20 or so and add a 2nd or 3rd round pick. The first two rounds can turn out good for the Giants; First round picks Price DT and Kindle OLB / DE { replaces Osi}. Second round picks Spikes and Allen, Jones or Warren. The second part to Osi trade in 5th or 6th round could be Zoltan Mesko P / K from Michigan, he has the greatest leg coming out of college in the last 10 or so years and does both Punting and Kicking duties. The Third and forth rounds DB’s and OT Jared Veldheer. Later round Giants can pick up Trevard Lindley CB, J D Walton C, and Walter Thurmond CB.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hope the Giants get Houston in the 2nd round
He’s big enough to push O-linemen back but still fast enough to be a pass rusher. He’s the guy we should get. Forget Price and Odrick.
Houston in second
When do you replace Pierce. Only two players in the draft that are good enough to replace him the first one is McClain and hes not dropping to #15 and the other is Brandon Spikes in the late second round the thing that sets both of them apart is the fact both are great D- Unit play callers with McClain a bit better as an overall player. Both are what Pierce was on the Giants the coach on the field. As far as Houston you will see on draft day he stays till late 2nd to 3rd round. Price is the Giants pick and the Giants should trade down to about #20 to add a 2nd or 3rd round pick and still pick him. Also I would trade Osi for a first round pick plus a 5th or 6th round pick. Turn Osi to Kindle OLB / DE.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Earl Thomas and Chad Jones are moving up
With the way Thomas and Jones have performed at the combine, scouts say that they’re moving up. Thomas benched more than both Berry and Haden. He’s already gained 11 lbs. from when he was at Texas. If he does well in the 40, he might not even be there at #15. Jones lost weight and looked more fluid. Everybody raves about his raw talent.
I thought the DB’s havent done their drills yet…. when did you see him be fluid
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 2, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
This has been a mighty 'Testy' night...amoungst all of us..
I, you guys aren’t going to have a word on how they re-work to champions again..We can just sit around and state our opinions..Shit I just had some words with Curtus who should have been working on my Fighter plane ..not a C-5..I guess getting a little awnry and having fun isn’t a bad thing..I wish the Giants would check in here before deciding on anyone..this Freebradshaw guy is like a scout..They should hire him.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
It's unbelievable, Bobbi,
particularly so with FB and CS. It’s like watching a Pacquiao-Mosley fight (Mosley’s gonna beat Mayweather:) Two guys with inexhaustable energy who just keep whaling away. I really feel I should pay to read those two (CS and FB) fight it out. I only watch because I can’t match their expertise (and that of others getting into the thick of it during these pre-draft days.)
Yeah George..I don't know what 'hat' these guys are pulling names out of..but..
When I take mine off there are only a half-dozen names in there..These kids out here blow me away with their knowledge of prospects…The only thing I can offer is silly, stupid, joking shit..I am going to let them pick out our team and make it a winner again..I’ll just sit back and watch..my head hurts…lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
You're right...
305 comments in an offseason with no particular exciting news….gee, it’ll be crazy when something actually HAPPENS!
There's so much prediction that the Giants
will go for a DL as 15 that it WON’T happen.
Giants will go for OL
The Draft and the Giants
The way I would like the draft to unfold for the Giants;
First the information.
Giants 1st rd pick is at #15
Giants trade Osi for a mid level #1 pick with an additional 5th or 6th round pick.
Giants Move down from #15 to about # 19 to #22 with this move the Giants get an additional #2 or #3 for this to happen.
Giants should be inline to get a sup pick for losing Ward last year * end of 3rd round.
1st round picks Brian Price DT
Sergio Kindle OLB / DE
2nd round pick Brandon Spikes ILB / MLB, Donovan Warren CB
3rd round picks 3 picks in round and picks are from list
Nate Allen FS, Chad Jones S, Morgan Burnett FS
Brandon Ghee CB, Dominique Franks CB
Major Wright FS, Jared Veldheer OT
4th round pick Jared Veldheer OT if not already picked
Auston Lane DE, Sean Lee ILB / MLB, Robert Johnson FS
5th round pick J D Walton C, Zoltan Mesko P / K, Trevard Lindley CB
5th / 6th round pick from trade of Osi, this is a must pick if Zoltan was not picked already.
Zoltan Mesko P / K, he does both the Punting and Kicking duties
his leg power is the best within the last 10 years. He will stick the
other team behind the 20 yard line. He can boom the ball with
precision and great angle.
6th round pick Walter Thurmond CB, Robert Vaughn FS
Matt Tennant C = if Walton was not picked
7th round pick Van Eskridge S, Cory Peters DT, ?
As with all drafts if a position is not filled and a rated player is still available from an earlier round he can be picked in place of a later round placed pick. Exception to this is Zolton Mesko P / K he is a highly needed player.
I would say
no to Kindle and Spikes.
Allen and Jones will be gone before the 3rd.
Not sure if Giants get anything for Ward given he was not drafted by them plus the Giants signed Canty, Bernard and Boley which offset against your FA losses.
by G Fan in England on Mar 2, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'll add that Veldheer is also moving up draft boards
He answered a bunch of questions at combine, Sean Lee had a pretty good combine too.
But I applaud that you are going out on a limb with 7 rounds of picks
erm
it will be unlikely that we draft 4 safeties in the same draft no matter how badly our current ones played this year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Mar 2, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
The pass defense was so bad that they’re replacing all positions on D with safeties lol (j/k)
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by I_Formation27 on Mar 2, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Draft picks
In my picks the though was as a need is filled go to another position. As with the 3rd round my picks would have been OT, FS, CB to fill needs, I gave a mix of players just in case some were taken already. I was suprised no one commented on my pick of Zoltan Mesko P / K. Now about my push on D Backs, what was the least productive of positions, it needed an overhall. Player after player could not hold down the positions in the D- backfield. If I missed on the sup pick on Ward thats my mistake, my though was Ward was a RFA and the player the Giants did pick up were not.. As you saw in my pick I gave leadway with a mix of players in rounds so to fill needs as needs change round to round and some players can turn out to be busts. It was never a fact to draft 4 safties but players that could play different positions in the D- backfield. I worked back ups to picks as knowing some players might not be availableand at points some players might fall to lower rounds than first though..
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 2, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Might have a miss
The Giants Might not get the Sup pick for Ward due to other signings. Will have to check on that.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Mock Draft Dream
Hey, we are allowed to dream, so here it is:
“The Rams have traded their #1 pick to the NY Giants. The Rams receive the Giants #1 pick, the Giants #1 pick next year and Osi. With the first pick in the 2010 Draft, the NY Giants select:
Ndamakong Suh – DT Nebraska!!!!!!!!!!!
I am all for it and I don’t see why Spanolo would not do it on the team that has about 10 gaping holes. Spags might see the talent of Suh and drool, but that team is too dismal not to trade down. To me, the only way they would not trade down was if there was a franchise QB there. The other possibility is that this same deal could be a three-teamer. Anyway, I am crossing my fingers Reese can see it and make it work. Watch the film and tell me that Suh does not look like the best DT prospect in 20 years – he’s going to be an instant impact guy and ProBowler. You put him next to Tuck, and QB’s will be sweating. Watch the tape, and then, did you see his BODY at the combine? He’s huge, but when you watch him play, he is incredibly nimble and does not look that big, he looks smaller in pads to me.
Man I hope we do it. I think this is a team that has a real core, and can legitimately challenge for a title. This doesn’t happen all the time, when the window opens, we need to take our shot. We have Eli, we have weapons, we need to shore up the D. And if you could only take one player to impact a D that has alot of holes, if you blow up the middle, it lets the ends make plays and makes the secondary better with the Qb under pressure.
If Bradford or Clausen fall down to #15
this could happen
Many have stated that even though Suh/McCoy are best players, Rams must get a QB
But its foolish to just draft a QB #1, the $ and the failure rate is so high.
I think they might just take Suh and see what happens,
Rams
Rams trades to #3 Tampa pick. Rams still get QB they want plus a 2nd round pick. Tampa gets Suh, why pick a DB to early in draft. Washington gets leftover QB, what a great draft.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Rams and First pick
I can see the Rams if they really want to pick a QB with the first pick making a trade with Tampa for the third pick in the first round and land an extea #2 or #3 in the deal. In the end of this trade they still get the QB they want with an extra pick and Tampa gets Suh.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bruce Campbell
I have to say this: He is going to be the biggest bust in the draft.
I have to laugh at the combine stuff – I know now that Al Davis will surely take him. But has anyone watched FILM on him?? Really, go to U-tube and watch any of it. He can lift, he can run, he can jump – about the only thing he CAN’T do is play OT. To me, having watched a bunch of film of him, I cannot say he is any better than an average college OT.
He has no clue.
Whoever takes him, is going to be looking at no production til his 3rd year at minimum as he tries to learn how to play the game….. Vernon Gholston all over again.
With what I saw at combine
I could see Campbell becoming a TE. And being a freak. His pass blocking is good enough, but he isn’t built for run blocking, just to narrow at the base.
Combine Bench Press
Guys talk about the Bench Press results at the combine. I have a bit of a different take on it and ask this:
Q) If a guy is dominant at the college level, and he comes in and does 50 reps at the combine – does that make you feel GOOD about him as a prospect, or bad?
To me, about the ONLY thing that you see at the combine that can be CORRECTED in a player, is his strength. A guy is not going to run much faster with training, jump much higher or become more cooridnated. But put him on the NFL workout regime with HGH and whatever else they are all taking and any NFL prospect can become considerably stronger.
So to me, when I see a guy that was productive at the college level, and he posts a LOW number in the bench press, I look at it like – hey, the guy was productive and he was NOT that strong. Imagine if he got stronger. To me, it signals more upside than a guy that posted 50reps and now you wonder if he was so dominating in college because he was so strong – an edge that will disappear in the NFL.
Combine
I agree with what you stated but would add why not have the Combines runs also done in full pads as well as without.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 2, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that..Full pads..and run..
Big difference when you run in full pads and the air is blowing in your ear-holes..That is a whole different experience and the guys that can perform with equipment on and run a 4.5 are the guys we want…but I’ll bet you that none of them can..It is all relative..what becomes important in full pads is your focus and instincts..running in shorts is one thing but when your in full gear…that is a whole different thing..Alot of you guys probably played at some level, this game..I did and I ran a 4.5 forty in shorts..but I bet I..know I couldn’t come close to that in full gear..I’d be lucky to run a 5.8 back then..So like I said it is all relative since everyone else is in full gear as well..If you are a reciever you need to catch the ball and a runner needs to protect it..Now if you play defense you need to hit and hit hard..You know when your facing a really good defensive player, because teams will put a plan together to avoid you..which is what you want them to do..There are 22 players on the field and the more players you have out there that you want to avoid..then you just narrowed their opportunities…That’s football.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think y'all are missing the point about the combine's purpose
The coaches have all seen the game film on the players and those thay haven’t, if they jump out at the combine, will get a good look afterwards. Really what you’re looking for is side by side comparisons, competitiveness, change of direction skils, technique maturity. Alot of coaches can glean what they would need to bring a player up to standards in the NFL by watching drills.
Running in pads is not going to show them something they havent seen. Here’s how it breaks down:
The Interview: Gives a chance to put the player on the spot about character issues, focus and how he handles himself under pressure. Leadership ability usually shows up here.
The Wunderlic test: Really actually a pretty simple exam that shows limited problem solving skills.
The Physical Exam: Meaurements(like the college ones are accurate). The Egg(fitness, endurance, recovery). Thorough Medical evaluation.
Bench Press: Shows dedication to the weight room and competitiveness. Also, I believe you see something in how the player handles the last few reps.
The 40, Long Jump & Vertical Leap: If anything, more of a test of explosiveness, although vertical leap has it’s obvious practical, applications in several positions.
Drills: test both physical ability and mental accuity. If you looked at Suh in the drills, you saw a guy who is terchnique sound and physically gifted. He outclassed everybody in this discipline. If you were still up in the air over him or McCoy, I think he separated himself.
I don’t think I’d go for a defensive back if I couldn’t see him in the drills. Ditto for WR’s and linebackers. You get a really good idea of the potential of players who may not have been the best at their positions. You’ve got to considder the difference in coaching levels at the smaller schools.
I equate this to mining with, or without, a map.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
To add: Effort shows alot. Spikes has me wondering if he's worth it for showing little
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Excellent points, sun..These combines allow teams access brains and charactor
Versus brawn..more work ethic evaluations than anything else..but the 40 times in pads are far different than in shorts…Teams already know what these kids run time-wise so it is all just a show..I’d like to see more agility tests.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Oooops..I meant 'assess' not perform brain surgury on them...lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
but
Some players because of the combine end going higher in the draft and work out on the team as busts, see the Jets on that one.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 3, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Price
I have to say, I watched him at the combine and was not impressed. He looked noticeably slower and stiffer than alot of the guys to me.
Draft
Earl Thomas and Lamarr Houston would be a very good draft , I really think if we can get Earl Thomas its a very good draft! and if we do trade Osi and get into the back of the 1st or the top of the second, I think would be good, maybe trade Osi to the Rams for there 2nd rounder and a pick next year and maybe we can pull out Mike Iupati,Sean Weatherspoon or even Brian Price and then still have our second round pick….also It all depends on free agency guys its coming on friday baby 12:00 am!!!
Draft
Price will not last into the second round and the draft is rich in DB’s in the second and third rounds. Also as you said everything is looked at after friday and the URFA’s.
by jerseyjoehaven on Mar 2, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Dekoda Watson
also I like Dekoda Watson maybe in the 3rd round!
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