1. Is Osi only a passing down rusher, or will he be O.K. for full-time duty with an extra year of healing ? (and in today’s NFL, esp. against teams like the Eagles, what’s a passing down anyway ?)

2. What is Sintim’s natural position – full-time linebacker or situational pass rusher ? Haven’t seen enough of him to know, but coaching staff should have an idea by now.

If we really could get a #1 or high #2, that would be tempting, unless we think Osi will be O.K. and can be adequate against the run. Extra draft pick could be a LB if Sintim going more to DE.

And IMO, Osi’s malcontent act will not go away unless he gets a new contract. That is clearly the motive beneath all the BS.

He had a bad year coming off a knee surgery, he was frustrated and ran his mouth a little bit, he didnt say anything too bad. Strahan has talked to him and said he will be fine and will play. Our strength in 2007 was DE’s and getting to the QB, why would we start to get of our strength. The Giants run a 4-3 defense and when healthy, Osi is one of the best DE’s in a 4-3. And I have said this before, I love Justin Tuck, but he still has not had a year that is close to Osi’s best year.

but dont come crying back here on this post when he puts up 15-17 sacks in a season for another team

Osi had 13 sacks and 40 tackles in 2007, not a good year? Tucks best year, 2008 51 tackles 12 sacks, thats pretty close to me! and not even Osi’s best year! Osi in 2005 14.5 and 49 tackles, better then any Tuck year. Oh and by the way Osi had more sacks last year then Tuck, which they both are DE’s in a 4-3 defense, which their job is to sack the QB. And when healthy, they are one of the best 1-2 punch in the NFL, so lets not go trading away one of them, because he had an off year after major knee surgery.

is correct. If he is, then a trade for Osi could would likely be win-win for him and the Giants. If I was a GM, I’d never give up a # 1 for him.

If Osi is traded, then the Giants need another DE to replace him in the rotation. If they get a good draft pick (first or high second), then they should be able to get a good one – maybe one who can play both the pass and the run. They can only afford to use the pick to trade up if they get a DE in free agency, and even then they have enough needs that I would only trade up if they solve another of their problems – safety or middle linebacker – in free agency as well. (Note that if they make Sintim a DE they create a need at linebacker – it just moves the problem.)
If they can get a good draft pick, he should be traded, to create a better atmosphere around the team and to remind the rest of the players that there are consequences to shooting your mouth off, especially when the problem is your own poor play.

as if he wants off the Giants. I’m sure JR would oblige him IF he can find a deal he is comfortable with making. My gut tells me that Osi will have a very good year this coming season due in part to the pressure he has put on himself with all the mouthing. …….accidental motivation if you will.

I think he’ll also have a better year, because I expect the tackle and line backer play to be better. If we could add some strength at safety I think this team, as well as Osi will have a good season.

I know one guy that wouldnt trade Osi away, and would probably love to trade for Osi, if he could….and that is Spags

Strahan and Tuck play left end. It is very hard to find a left end who plays both the run and pass well – look at the Pro Bowl rosters over the last 10 years, except for Strahan/Tuck they are almost exclusively right ends, the guys that put up the big sack numbers. So a 12-sack Tuck is much more valuable than a 13-sack Osi.

That being said, early DE picks suffer one of the biggest bust rates in the draft. Gaines Adams. Jamaal Anderson. Derrick Harvey (still has a shot). Courtney Brown – #1 overall some years back, nobody has heard of him. Everyone can name others. So it is difficult to guarantee replacement. If you trade Osi, you need to give Kiwanuka a long-term deal since he is reaching his free agent years.

I think if you get a good offer, you definitely have to consider it.

1st of all you dont trade a guy with this much talent. Osi had a bad yr… majority of that was because Bill Sherdian is a monron who has no concept of dwn and distance. He didnt play the run well this yr but when Spags was there he did well. He had 7 sacks which was the team leader coming off his surgey. He would have had more if Sherdian didnt try 2 zone blitz the whole game or stay in cover 2 on 3rd and 10. Kiwi is good but even if he had a good yr it will neva be the same impact as Osi’s. Teams have 2 take a te or a rb 2 chip him in passing dwns because if you leave him 1on1 with the tackle it’s a sack! Theres only a couple but Osi can rush the passer wit a combo of moves unlike Freeny who has his famous spin move and the last couple of yrs he developed a bull rush. When Strahan was there you could see that Osi developed into a pass rusher just like him but he has more speed than Strahan. With that being said Fewell took medicore talent in Buffalo and they had decent defenses. Now you come 2 a team that there strenghth is the d-line… Osi and Tuck will get a lot of oppurtunity’s 2 get 2 the QB. Kiwi will be in the rotation but you neva trade a guy like Osi unless he becomes a cancer and he hasnt been that since his time with the G-Men!

     I wouldn’t give a #1 pick in this draft for Osi. I wouldn’t give a #2 for him either, but I have seen stranger things happen and if Ed’s contact really is in the ballpark of what a sane administrator would trade, I’d have Osi out of here by the end of the week so we could speculate on what to do with our TWO #1 picks.
     Osi MIGHT be better than he was last year, he MIGHT be the same and more of a distraction. He didn’t defend the run enough to make it worhwhile to use him as he wants to use. A #1 draft choice is a gamble, and he MIGHT not work out, but at this point I’d rather gamble with a young 21-year-old not coming off an injury, filling a position of need, and with a whole career ahead of him. I’m not saying Osi MUST go, just that he’s made himself an greater uncertainty health and attidude wise than a #1 or #2 draft pick, and I’d move him to better the team, not to get rid of him. For a #1 pick, I’d even help him pack.

We are talking about a de who is undersized and needs his knee to be fully healthy for the speed he once had. And as far as I go, I trust JR in the draft. He hasn’t failed us yet. Get the first rounder for him and get a guy off this team that will only be a distraction. He already was this year.

Here is the list of First Round safeties from 2006 to the present (notice there are not many):

Laron Landry
Mike Griffin
Reggie Nelson
Brandon Merriweather
Mike Huff
Donte Whitner
Jason Allen
Kenny Phillips

Which of those is “worth” a first round pick or has made a measurable impact?
No thanks. We need to get better value.

Osi’s mouth isn’t a distraction, and (like most other times an athlete opens his mouth) his words were taken out of context. To me it sounded like he knows that he has to play better and prove that he is worthy of the starting spot. Any anyway a starter is just a name nowadays, especially with all the 3 WR sets and the like you often need to have your best pass rushers on the field at the same time which will mean Osi, Kiwi and Tuck playing together.

by trading Osi and our number 1 pick for St. Louis Rams No. 1 pick. This will benefit both the giants and the Rams. We’ll have the baller DT we need and Rams will have a DE better than any a 1st round can get as well as a first round pick if they want to pick up a QB

Osi is a proven comodity. There are too many DE drafted in the 1st round who are busts. If you draft a player and he puts up osi’s numbers you would be happy. Some folks point to the game where osi put up 6 sacks and want to subtract them from his yearly total like that wasn’t an important game and the sacks don’t count. If he had 3 instead in that game and 3 in another game would we then discount those 2 games and say he had 7 in 14 games? 13 sack for the season is 13 sacks. We can’t start looking at games to see if sacks were bunched or if they happened when we were well aheard, behind or just the right time. The guy put up the sacks in an important division game against rivals and so its not fair to take them away to make an arguement. Even his recent rambling can be excused as he just wants to play and the interview had more to it than what the media focused on. He spoke about being embarrassed by his play. He recognize he needs to play better. Coming of the knee surgery, and being 28, i wouldn’t be so quick to trade this true giant who we won a sb with…

professional tackles who make it in the league don’t typically give up 5+ sacks in their first games. Sure his nerves contributed but Osi deserves most of the credit. He is a good young player who got beat by a great player. If I remember well, that was an important game to the giants, a sunday or monday night game, and Osi came up big. We shouldn’t take away his performance that night to discredit him as a player. As far as I am concerned he had 13 sacks that year and contributed to the giants success as much as anyone. I guess it is okay to argue that he had a bad year this year, but we shouldn’t damage his body of work by discounting a dominating performance in an important game just to decrease his number to make an arguement.

Osi definately didn’t play the way we all hoped he would but the guy is one year removed from knee surgery and played partime. If the giants were winning (and no one can put all of the loses on Osi), and he wasn’t being pulled for plays, he might have gotten 3-4 more sacks to end with another double digit year. We would have been happy with that. The fact is under Sheridan no one on the D really played well, Tuck included but everyone is fine giving him a pass because of his injury but not for Osi’s injury (the knee)? For me, Osi is an original drafted giant, who grew up as player with the giants, became a pro bowler and contributed to a improbably SB season. He is a true giant and I am not willing to trade him away at all, for any pick!!! Not this year, not after one bad year after knee surgey, where everyone on D played badly under an inexperienced D cordinator.