Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
by Ed Valentine on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 AM EST
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Don't believe Will Beatty is enough of a beast to be the New York Giants' left tackle of the future? How about Bruce Campbell, a 6-foot-7, 310-pounder out of the University of Maryland?
There are two reasons we are going to talk about Campbell today in our continuing series of prospect profiles of players who may interest the Giants on Draft Weekend.
- It's never a bad idea to collect monsters on the offensive line, especially guys who are considered natural left tackles.
- Hey, Campbell is from my alma mater. We are going to spend at least one post discussing SOMEBODY from Maryland.
From everything I have seen on the mock draft boards and rating systems, Campbell is a guy who should be available at No. 15. Shoot, the way things go with the draft he might be available in the second round. You just never know.
This is a direction I don't really expect the Giants to go in. I think there will be attractive players available who might fill more pressing needs than Campbell. I also think the Giants might prefer Idaho's Mike Iupati if they were to select a lineman in Round 1.
Still, Campbell is worth talking about. It is really, really difficult to pass up guys who could be franchise left tackles. Besides, I'm sitting here with my red Maryland shirt on and I feel like writing about the guy. So, that's what I'm doing.
Bruce Campbell Scouting Reports
Here is the word on Campbell from SB Nation's fine draft blog, Mocking The Draft.
Campbell is one of the most intriguing players in this year’s draft. He’s an incredible athlete for an offensive lineman and a natural left tackle. His quickness, upper body strength and size make him ready for the NFL right now, even though he came out following his junior season.
Campbell’s an attractive talent because he’s shown he can handle a man and zone scheme. This could give him the advantage over other early entrants Bryan Bulaga and Anthony Davis, who are almost strictly man blockers.
Where Campbell gets negative points is in his inconsistent technique, which could give a line coach fits. Campbell also has a growing history of injuries. Missed time in 2009 with turf toe and an injury to his medial collateral ligament. Campbell started only 17 games in his career, which is a big red flag. Campbell may define the term "boom or bust prospect."
Walter Football absolutely loves Campbell's potential.
Consider Bruce Campbell the Jason Smith of the 2010 NFL Draft class. His stock will be soaring through the roof once we get to the Combine, however, he is more of a natural pass protector than Smith. With more experience, he could become a Pro Bowl left tackle at the next level. Of course, you have to consider his long list of injuries, but he'll likely be taken in the top 16 picks.
Draft Board Insider sees Campbell as a huge risk-reward type player.
Campbell has a ton of potential and more upside than any tackle in the draft. BUT ... Any team that chooses to draft him will have to weigh out if the risk is worth the potential that Campbell has shown.
ESPN Insider has a nice piece on Campbell, in which it details that he profiles as an elite run blocker.
He is an intriguing name to watch. And I will never complain if the Giants take a guy from my alma mater -- even if I am glad Darrius Heyward-Bey ended up in Oakland last season.
Why Campbell fits with the Giants
Because he has "more upside than any tackle in the draft," that's why. Those players are just not easy to come by. We know that, among several other things, it is also time for the Giants to continue addressing adding quality young players to their offensive line. How about Campbell and Beatty, one of last season's second-round picks, book-ending the line for the next 6-8 years? If Campbell is the real deal you would think that scenario would make Eli Manning pretty comfy in the pocket for the next several seasons.
Why the Giants should pass
Because these are not the Giants of the past couple of seasons. They just went 8-8, they have some obvious holes and they cannot afford to miss with this pick. Campbell might end up being a great player, and teams who pass on him might wish they hadn't. But, reports indicate a really high risk factor with the guy. At least in the first round the Giants are likely to have 'safer' choices.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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I wouldnt be upset if the Giants made this pick, but Im not sure I see them doing it. I think for the first round they will take the best defensive talent there. I think for the Giants to take him in the first round, a lot of the defensive players they targeted would have to be off the board. He definitely does have the size and raw talent though, I think he will be good in the NFL.
I trust Reese
I always trust what Reese does in the draft, he always seems to find players in every round. Do you think the Giants are set on giving Beatty a starting job on the OL this year? I know he did a good job filling in, but do they think he is ready to be a full time starter?
Also, I know there is no way Berry slips to us and a very slim chance, next to none that McClain slips to us, and I dont think the Giants will trade up, they dont want to pay that type of money to a rookie. I see Mays and Spikes being the two interesting guys to the Giants at #15. I think if Mays is there, that is the Giants man, unless Spikes has an amazing workout at some point and runs a fast 40.
I think alot of people
have Thomas ahead of Mays – it seems Mays could be the second coming of Roy Horsecollar Williams.
Spikes is being projected late first early second so if we wanted him it might be a case of moving up a little in the second.
by G Fan in England on Feb 5, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of people have about 5-6 safeties ahead of Mays ;)...not named Earl Thomas
and I got about 3-4 MLB’s ahead of Spikes (not named McClain)
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
I know Spikes value has fallen
I just have a feeling he is gonna have some nice workouts to raise his value back up. People are questioning his speed, everyone knows he can tackle. If he has a good 40 and proves that he isnt as slow as people think, I think his value will go up.
and after Berry, I think its Mays and Thomas, I have just read that the Giants have some early interest in Mays, which could mean nothing and just a rumor.
If we draft Mays
he could become C C Mays as in C C Brown!
by G Fan in England on Feb 5, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I got Berry...
then Thomas, Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Morgan Burnett, Reshad Jones, Darrell Stuckey…all ahead of Mays.
Of course the Giants have some “interest” cuz Mays is a name, a player who probably was a first round pick last year. He may be again this year, but right now I doubt it.
As for Spikes, I’d be OK with it in round 2. But there’s other options that could be just as good if not better.
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And I didn't mention Myron Rolle either...
and I’d rather have him over Mays.
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Are you
doing the second seven round mock draft on MTD?
If so what will you do differently?
by G Fan in England on Feb 5, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Probably
and I’d have no qualms if my first 3 picks were Earl Thomas, Navorro Bowman and Lamarr Houston.
I probably trade back at the first offer tho.
Maybe I’d trade up in the 2nd with the extra picks…but not much else.
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ESPN has Mays 3 best safety...
I dont think my opinion of Mays is that far off, yes any player can be a bust or not live up to their potential. But I do think Mays is being drafted in the first round along with Taylor, and that might be it for safetys in the first round, but that is just a guess. And yes I wouldnt mind Spikes in the 2nd, i think right now he would be a stretch at #15, but I just have a feeling he is going to have a really good workout between now and the draft and his stock is going to rise.
ESPN can have him there...
doesn’t matter to me as long as the Giants stay away from him.
Getting a S who can’t cover..doesn’t matter if he runs a 4.2, is not good.
He has zero ball skills, doesn’t wrap up tackles…and goes for the big hit too much.
Unless they’re certain he can make the MLB switch…then the Giants need to avoid him like the plague.
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I hope the Eagles or Cowboys get him.
Maybe even the Redskins see a nice shiny name in the 2nd round and get him?
I’d love for Eli to adopt a new pet piece of TOAST.
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Heyyyyyy ... Toast is ...
Elvis Patterson’s nickname. A little respect for a Giant legend.
Some people here hate Taylor Mays,
I think that if he ended up in Hall of Fame, there are some here that would go just to tell him that he was over rated.
But if you aren’t getting an impact player, a game changer, taking a safety at 15 is risky. Even though its a need, you have to contrast it with what safety you could get later in the draft.
Also, a benefit of the uncapped year could be another team jettisoning a big $ contract safety. They may not be great, but a solid guy would take some pressure off the front office to get 2 in the draft.
If JR said he like Mays
and drafted him…I’d be OK with it.
If Mays turns out great on the Giants…I’d rather someone tell me I told you so, then I say “I told you so” when he looks like CC Brown 2.0 the remix.
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I haven't seen Mays play
so I don’t comment on him, but in a Tampa 2, playing with everything in front of him, with great size and elite speed, it would really showcase him.
But I am generally against taking a S in the first round. For every Ed Reed, or even Bob Sanders, there are 5 Reggie Nelson’s. 15 is too high to reach for a safety, even if its a need.
I don't think they should be faulted for drafting #15...
if they were at 15 or 25, if Earl Thomas is the best safety available to them and an impact guy…then draft him (unless..they feel they can drop back to #25 and get him).
THere’s also Polamalu, Mike Griffen (who went at #16 and #19).
It depends on the team.
You can say that you can get any position later on in the draft, including DT, DE, S, or LB (cuz the Giants sure have done all a that and been successful…well, maybe not LB recently).
Its all about who’s there.
When I see Bruce Campbell..if this guy checks out, no one can tell me that getting an elite OT, even if he’s gonna be a RT, is a bad idea no matter the need on defense.
Protecting Eli Manning…is above all else. If they can find a bookend like Campbell (or a few others) then get him.
6"7 310lbs OT’s who are as athletic as Campbell don’t grow on trees…
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I agree
if Reese thinks that Thomas, Mays or some other guy is an impact player, I’m all for it.
no need to stretch....
I think this #15 pick is very tricky for the Giants, because they will be tempted to stretch to fill a need with this pick. Trying to fill S or MLB with this pick might be a stretch with what is still left. I also think it depends on a lot of other things, the health of Phillips, with Philips 100% it might be nice to have a guy back there with him that can put the fear of God in WRs coming across the middle with his hits. Lets not forgot the young Roy Williams when WRs used to avoid him like the plague.
When I look at past drafts
its a spot where with a little luck the team could get an elite OT, perhaps even an elite LT.
Well, I'd love to see this guy "soar thru the roof" ...
after the combine. And I hope about 13 other guys not named McClain soar with him.
Still would love to go D in Round 1, with a MLB or S that can be impact player near term, but if this guy is legit then having him at LT, Beatty at RT and Diehl at LG might make our OL elite for another few years, keeping the D off the field.
I would love if McClain pulls a Hakeem Nicks
and puts on a few pounds between now and the draft, causing him to drop just enough for the Giants to take him.
2009 Did Not Happen
That was nonsense last year.
Other teams backed off of Nicks because they are all looking for speed burners and he didn’t fit the bill.
The pick fills two holes
If we took him then I would hope the starting Tackles in 2010 would be Beatty and Campbell with Diehl moving to LG which many feel to be his more natural position.
By this one pick we have upgraded the OL at two positions so I would not be surprised if we took a natural tackle in the first round.
Otherwise I would look to move up in the draft to get either Berry or McClain.
Shofner you beat me by seconds….
by G Fan in England on Feb 5, 2010 7:02 AM EST reply actions
Fire Friedgen!
That is all
(and i’m not even a maryland fan)
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
I'd be happy with this pick
if A) No one was there who they want (Price, Thomas,Williams, McClain….or they don’t like any of them).
or B) his injuries check out.
For the RT spot, Anthony Davis is possibly the best RT prospect in the draft. Bulaga is probably versatile enough to do it too.
As for Campbell…he’s got the talent to be the top tackle taken…so if JR gets him, I’d be happy.
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First Round Pick...
You could definitely see the Giants going OT in the 1st Round if they think they’ve got the right player and Campbell could definitely fit the bill as a bit of a beast…
Like Free says though if the injuries don’t check out then I think they take a pass and if there’s no McClain, Berry, Thomas, etc then they trade down and start to accumulate picks as, from what I hear, this draft seems pretty stocked in areas of need, i.e. DT, Safety (although, have to rely on reports and you guys for info as being in England we don’t hear too much on the college scene…)
If JR thinks Campbell and Beatty can anchor our line for the next 10 years though and we can still address our defensive needs later on or through FA then that all sounds good to me…
I tend to trust JR's draft evaluations
Aaron Ross instead of Jon Beason was probably his weakest moment, but Pierce was coming off a pro bowl year, and the teams CBs were old and Webster wasn’t exactly pushing his way in.
And I still think that Ross if healthy could be a huge plus. He has great ball instincts, and you need at least 4 CB’s these days. (3 for the nickel, and a quality sub for all the injuries).
I also think that the doom and gloom over last year is probably overstating the needs. When things go bad on defense even good players look bad.
No Tackles in Rd 1
The last tackle we took in the first round was Luke Pettigout in ’99. He was very serviceable but never top flight and never a first round value. This team, and JR, believe that they will do better finding talent in rds 2+ and developing them.
I also think that too many people are taking the fact that Will Beatty subbed for McKenzie means that he is a RT. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. This coaching staff will never, and I mean NEVER, plug a rookie in at starting LT. This would negate the chances of any OT being an immediate starter and you want your round 1 selection to be an immediate impact player unless it’s a franchise QB. Beatty has outstanding technique, an ideal body makeup, and is extremely athletic. I think they said he had the best footwork of any Tackle in the draft. Having that at the collegiate level will translate into him becoming a stud in this league.
We go D first, unless the second coming of Rosie Brown falls to us. That being said, I still think we’ll take a DT, unless McClain falls to us.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Its all about BPA
and building for the future.
I agree with the McClain and DT part…but we’re not talking about LT, that’s Beatty’s spot. We’re talking about RT, which Campbell or Davis or Bulaga call could do.
No matter what they do with McKenzie, they could use a RT of the future.
IF they draft a DT…he’s not gonna see the majority of the snaps anyway, that would be Cofiend and Canty’s job, with Alford hopefully being the primary backup.
I doubt that unless they come away with McClain, Eric Berry or maybe even Earl Thomas is that good, that any rookie’s gonna start for them.
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Thay are talking about LT...
and moving Beatty. Nobody selects a RT in Rd 1. They might draft a player, thinking he’ll be a LT, but either downgrading him to RT(ala Robert Gallery) or plugging him in there by necessity.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
If they have 2 OT's that can pass block on the edge
Doesn’t that free the offense in many ways? Would allow the team to utilize a spread offense and force them to take guys out of the box.
Just because no one else is doing it, doesn’t mean it won’t work. LT was the first big time pass rushing LB. That worked out pretty well.
nobody selects a RT in round one?
since when? Andre Smith was 6th overall last year. 2008 had Gosder Cherilus and Jeff Otah in round one. Levi Brown was 5th overall in 2007.
Pass rushers can light up your QB from that side of the line too…why is it any less of an important position?
No one’s talking about moving Beatty. None.
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Those players you mentioned were all drafted as LTs
@Shofner85 – “but if this guy is legit then having him at LT, Beatty at RT and Diehl at LG might make our OL elite for another few years, keeping the D off the field.”
@G Fan in England – “If we took him then I would hope the starting Tackles in 2010 would be Beatty and Campbell with Diehl moving to LG which many feel to be his more natural position.” “Shofner you beat me by seconds….”
May I recommend that you check your facts before you get so indignant. I know it might cut down on your post count(getting pretty close to 3k since last March), but I’ll take quality over quantity anytime.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
so that's one person that said it...
before ridiculing me…try and point out where G Fan said Beatty’s a RT? Cuz I don’t see it there unless you forgot to cut and paste it?
So fine. One person.
I think I’m not the one who should be checking facts..as you said no one drafts a RT in the first, and I just named Four in the past 3 drafts.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, tranquilo!
All 4 of the RTs you mentioned were drafted as LT prospects and ended up playing at RT. I know for a fact that we were looking at Cherilus for LT. Do you honestly think that any team in this league would burn a #6 on Smith, a #5 on Brown or even the 19th that was used on Otah to play RT? That’s a pretty solid no if you’re being honest, though, to be fair, I’d consider it if I had a Franchise Lefty QB.
You’re not being ridiculed(We behave a little better than that, here), you are being educated. You questioned my opinion and I backed it up with facts. Spend some time looking at the draft profiles of the players you mentioned and post them if you want to add any veracity to your opinion. I believe you will find it deflated. Statements are nothing without basis.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Here's some ED for ya...
The Panthers have Jordan Gross for LT. They drafted Otah for RT. There’s one.
The Lions (even now, in their warped minds) believe Jeff Sackus is their LT. They drafted Cherilus for RT.
The Bengals have Andrew Whitworth for their LT (who’s quite good) and drafted Andre Smith..to play RT.
Levi Brown played RT at Penn State. The Cardinals had Matt Leinart, who’s a lefty, so they valued a RT over a LT, and drafted Brown.
Aside from Brown, all of these guys are 330+ lbs as well. They play have played LT in college..but it was flat out nuts for anyone to draft them as a LT in the pros.
They all were RT prospects for the pros. Every single one of them.
So yes..I’m being ridiculed…and I’m done on this. Have a good one.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
The only ED here is ouir esteemed Mr. Valentine
From NFL.com
Smith enrolled at Alabama in 2005, taking over at left tackle. He became the seventh true freshman in school history to start in his first career game since 1972
Otah enrolled at Pittsburgh and immediately took over the demanding left tackle position in 2006.
After starting 37 consecutive games at right tackle, Gosder Cherilus moved to the demanding left tackle position as a senior. It is an understatement to say that he struggled most of the year at that position
From Sportsnuz.com(2007 profiles are hard to find, but they are cut & pastes of the same reports from NFL.com and ESPN.com)
A former defensive tackle, Brown went on to start every game (45) during his Nittany Lions career, including 44 contests at the demanding left offensive tackle position.
So, you are partially right. All 4 played LT in their most recent year before the draft.
Cherilus was someone we were looking at at the end of the round or round 2 in 2007, but, obviously, had issues at LT and a history at RT so it would make sense for a team to project him as a RT. This is one I’ll give you.
Otah was a lucky and possible need grab at 19. He graded as a LT prospect, but the Panthers need was at RT to support the running attack. Last year both he and Gross went on IR, so we didn’t get a chance to see him at LT. I’ll concede this one as well.
Brown was the result of Joe Thomas already being off the board. Arizona was desperate to protect their QB of the future. The only exception to the rule(if you have a Lefty QB)
Andre smith was projected as one of the top 3 LT prospects coming out that year. All-American, All SEC First Team, Outland Trophy winner and Jacob’s Blocking Award winner.
Are you still thinking that he was drafted to play RT?
So, I’ll give you 35%, but that’s still far from right. So we are both a little lacking as educators.
Ok, schools out. Gotta get to work.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
so you basically proved me right...
and Smith will play RT next year cuz Whitworth’s their LT.
They were LT’s in college, of course. They’re all LT’s in college. Ciron Black is a LT in college, doesn’t mean he’ll ever sniff that in the pros.
It was always funny how as soon as the student got done schooling the teacher, the bell rings.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, how's the weather on your planet?
I only proved you 35% less wrong than you were, so you are still wrong. I just happen to be wrong as well, but to a lowerr percentage.
I don’t know how you could possibly still be crowing when you’ve been run over twice and poked with a fork. Acceptance of the truth is the first step towards recovery.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
yea..right.
All these teams, aside from the Cardinals…have LT’s on the roster already.
So…why would they draft a LT? Because the other spot is important too..cuz the QB can get killed from that side too. It happens.
Just like the Giants would be doing with any OT they draft, they will be the RT because they have a LT, just like 3/4 of these teams did.
So…Cherilus, Otah…yes, Andre Smith, were just drafted because their team could use a OT. Not a LT, an OT.
Levi Brown was drafted to play RT, 5th overall.
…..been saying this all along. If any of these guys don’t play RT (and play LT) in 2010..I’ll be happy to be proven wrong. But you haven’t done that.
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It's just plain at this point to try.
I post evidence(scouting reports) and you are still not accepting it. You’ve yet to post any support to your opinion and just keep giving opinions.
Being the loudest or talking the longest doesn’t make you any more right.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
You've stated facts...
yet you’ve stated nothing. They don’t apply to much.
I’ve said teams draft an OT for need, cuz they need an OT, regardless of whether they have an LT on the roster already.
That’s what all these teams did. They put them at RT either cuz they are better suited for it or out of necessity
It happens all the time, where a LT in college plays RT in the pros, for whatever reason.
It happened in all 4 cases.
Why would any of these teams draft a LT when they have a LT?
Cuz there’s 2 tackle spots. RT, is pretty important (what is so wrong with being a RT?) Not as important as LT.
And knock yourself out with any other argument. I can’t believe I went this far with this (maybe this is the reason for the 3000 comments you seem to not be able to get over?)
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Really I'm not a football scholar
But a right tackle and a left tackle are about the same in my mind. Both positions require you to run and pass block. And one of them depending on your QB gets to manage the blindside. I mean really these guys are getting paid to play OT does it make that big a difference if it’s right or left?
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now a switch to guard I could see causing a different strategy as your now blocking a different position but still
A Tackle is a Tackle in my eyes. And if we need to line you up at right, left, centerfield or behind the plate then do it. Because TC said so!
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
about the bengals, they drafted Smith to be their future LT but this year he played RT because he wasn’t ready for LT and missed all of training camp and some of the regular season with an injury.
Don’t forget that last year their Oline was god awful – bottom 5 in the league, so I don’t know how they got them to play so well for this year.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 5, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don't waste your time.
He doesn’t read half of what’s written, or the truth. Just keeps repeating falseties. A legend in his own mind. Anyone who knows a lick about the draft knows that Top flight tackles are all LT prospects until proven other wise. You just don’t pay top 10 money fopr a RT or even top 15.
You are completely right, Smith, being one of the top 3 Tackles in that draft, was definitely drafted for LT.
Just look at FreeB’s profile. Nearly 3,00 in less than a year. He’s starting to make Carbo look good.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
they tried...
one of the knocks on Smith is that he’s not an elite pass blocker, but an elite run blocker. Sounds like a RT, and that’s what he’ll be.
Cuz they have a good LT now in Andrew Whitworth.
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This will be all moot......
because I’m becoming more and more convinced that we will trade down out of 15. I think that JR hates being in the middle of the round, because he still has to pay upper/mid round price for a player who has yet to show he can be a starter in the NFL:.
Our history shows us being close to 50/50 with first round selections(Dayne, Bunch, Willie Joe, Dave Brown, Cedric Jones, etc.) but we have done pretty well since then.
If you’ve noticed, JR seems to like the bottom of Rd 1, because he finds gems that he can pay Rd 2 money for. Maybe we fans are a little unreasonable to expect them to make a Hail Mary to get an unproven star.
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Wouldn't it be a steal if we could drop down
And still get a Big Dan, Price, or Thomas.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A later round thought....
Toby Gerhart (RB Stanford) another physical RB to soften up opposing defensive lines. I just love physical RBs.
I agree with Free
We have to draft BPA. That is the only way to ensure long term success. This isnt an old team with an aging QB that has to make one last run.
safety
If earl thomas is available at 15 imo you must take him that secondary was torched this season.Weall hope kp comes back 100% next season but that a big if.Earl thomas is a ball hawk and with fuel being a secondary guru this kid could start and be an impact player.
If Earl Thomas
is available I would take him to. But he would be one of the best players available I would think. If its close then I would go with the position of need. But I agree, I think ET will be a beast.
For Kicks
Reese should trade up with the Browns, we give them our 1st, David Carr and Domenik Hixon. With their pick, we draft CB Joe Haden. Then Fewell can move Terell Thomas to Saftey and he can have a monster ball hawking season (like Byrd) alongside KP (in my perfect world he’ll be back at 110%) and Haden and Webster can be the best CB tandem in the NFC East, and all of our secondary problems will be cured!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah….I know……
15 is a good number
how's about to make it a bit more 'reasonable'....
we leave one of the better CB’s in the league, TT at CB, and move the rook to FS?
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
lol I knew you'd say that about TT
Sure why not, Fewell made it work once, I bet he can do it again.
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 5, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Our secondary got torched due to poor front 7 play.
We’re pretty talented at CB. We need a Safety to at least compliment Phillips( I think he will be back as he played pretty damn well while injured). Do we depend on Canty becoming as advertised or do we shore up our trenches? We really don’t know what we have, yet, at all 3 LB positions, but MLB would be a better move than S. IMHO
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sounds good but you do that we might as well be the jets,
we have no push. , we cant get there with 4 so we should just blitz every down. i dont see alot of talent in FR at DT. so we some how need 2 get a impact guy in the draft. think DAN W or PRICE can make that kind of impact on passing downs.
Finally another voice of reason from outside the Fantasy league.
There are all these amateur GM’s on here that want to go for names with all these ideas that we get studs at most positions and we end up with a good team. How is that working for the Redskins lately?
A little Football 101: if your front seven doesn’t hold up at the point of attack, you could have Revis, Bailey, Reed and Dawkins in your secondary and still suck on D. We got beaten at the line of scrimmage, which exposed our LB corps which, in turn, left our secondary covering too much of the field. In 2008 we had a solid push in the middle until the injuries to Robbins and Cofield wore them down to an ineffective level. The 2 of them were playing with broken hands, torn labrums and serious knee issues for heaven’s sake. 2009 saw more of the same performance and we were ven worse off.
Shore up the middle. The rest will follow.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
thats y i titled it "just for kicks"
How not to misread a post 101:
I don’t think trading up would be smart in the first place as we need all of our picks for depth at various positions. I’ve already said I believe DT or safety (whichever is BPA to Reese) would make the most sense in the 1st round. So what’s all this talk about fantasy league ppl?? You obviously didn’t take the time to see that it was a joke.
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 5, 2010 9:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+ 1 No need to explain I formation
Everyone on here is a fantasy GM, but that’s the point, that’s why we are one here. So unless you are currently employed or recently employed by an NFL team, you are a fantasy GM. Everyone else on here wants to see their team improve, and a little creative juice goes a long way. I think everyone does a great job on here, especially the posters. More CJ and David Jacks.
If the NFL thing doesn't work out
There’s always a career in ‘b’ movies.
BRUCE CAMBPELL vs the army of darkness!
by catsmeat84 on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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athletic linemen seem to be popping up in the NFL. I dont think taking this guy would be a bad pick. Athletic tackles can be moved around if need be. We are going to need to address our aging line at some point, though I doubt JR would use a first rounder on it.
I'd take him based on that picture alone.
He looks like a freakin monster.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
If we take this guy we would start looking like the Colts
if we draft another LT then we would have 2 guys that are really good in pass protection and only OK at run blocking. I don’t think we should do that.
We shouldn’t turn into a finesse team just because Eli had one good year.
Otherwise this is a pretty good pick, and I would certainly prefer to draft a tackle in the 1st round than a guard but we know that Beatty isn’t the greatest run blocker and if Campbell is the same our run game would continue to go downhill
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 5, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
ESPN Insider has a nice piece on Campbell, in which it details that he profiles as an elite run blocker.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Then he would be a pretty good pick if McClain and Price are off the board by #15.
IMO Thomas is not worth it there
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 5, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
This just will not be our pick
OK with the position of course but injury history and inconsistent technique=bad pick.Mays is a stiff!No projects,no position switches,no workout warrior types like this DHB clone in a different position.Rather take Pounckey who can play all over the line or John Jerry from Ole Miss who can play both right spots.Even Buluga sounds good if you want to go OL in the 1st.Too bad Mckenzie is wearing out by the way,he’s been a beast.However I disagree that a rook DT couldn’t play in his 1st year.Many could also it seems like Brian Price has slipped for now,if he continues too linger in the late 1st round a move-up from our 2 could be great.Hard to see us doing that unless its from this years picks.Also don’t know where this trade Carr and Hixon thing comes from,Carr is not under contract and he and hix have no value to do anything in the 1st three rounds anyway.I say it’s possible we might use some of our 2011 picks from a depleted draft that comes from a season that might not happen and just load up on guys we want and just go for the gusto.Who really knows?Its all speculation anyway!
About Mays...
Here is how I base my opinion that I am NOT a fan of Mays:
1) Espn ran a review of him, I want to say it was Merrill Hoge but whoever, the point of it was they showed about 5 or 6 plays this year where Taylor Mays had guys lined up to kill them, and then wimped out and arm-tackled them. Their point was he was skittish to make big hits now after making them early in his college career. To me that will only get worse in the NFL where the opponents are bigger, stronger and faster.
2) I was watching tape of him in the Senior Bowl practice. To me, watching him cover wideouts (which admittedly, as a safety he is not typically doing it like that) he looked big, lumbering and like he was running in sand. To me he looked terrible in coverage which is the last thing we need.
3) I watched a BUNCH of USC games this year, not to watch Taylor Mays but as a football fan. Honestly, I can’t really remember much of anything of Taylor Mays…..That says something.
My policy would always be unless you know you are getting Ed Reed, I would NEVER take a safety in the first round. Many average corners in later rounds can become good safeties – there is not alot of “value” at that position in the first round. Bob Sanders is all-world, right? Colts are in the Superbowl without him. Shawn Williams, the Next Ronnie Lott – NOT. Sean Taylor – yeah he killed a punter in the Probowl, but his impact was overrated, Skins had a good defense without him. I would argue VERY few safeties truly impact the game enough to justify a first round pick.
Ive been saying this for a while
move aaron ross to SAFETY!
think about it, perfect move for him – he would get a starting role and be on the field at the same time as Webster and Thomas, his hamstring would not be under the same amount of strain because safeties don’t have to sprint as much as corners and the giants can spend that pick to improve the front 7 or whatever.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 5, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ross is not the answer...
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
That exact picture is why i think he is the answer
Don’t forget he was playing deep cover 2 on the defense’s left and Jackson was on the right side of the field on that play. It was Johnson’s responsibility but the idiot decided to double team some scrub TE that caught 5 passes all year.
Ross still almost knocked the ball away even though his responsibility was the other side of the field.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 5, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you remember this play
This was NOT Ross’s fault. He was on the opposite side of the field and this was Michael Johnson’s cover. Except Johnson was nowhere to be found, off somewhere else stupidly covering a backup tight end and leaving Ross to try and make a play from 20-30 yards out of position. A play, by the way, that he came within about 6 inches of making.
Ed Valentine
Why is Freebradshaw being so mean to me for no reason?
All I did was
Tell Freebradshaw to stop yelling because he can get banned. I was informing him of the rules, but now i know bradshaw is an Admin, this is my 2nd day on here and he is threatening me its not right
Bradshaw isn't admin
He does post alot, and is pretty knowledgable about our Gmen. We will disagree on things from time to time here on BBV, but remember we keep it classy in our debating. Not really sure what he said that offended you but threw all of the posts free has typed up I’ve never seen him abuse anyone. And yea I read all the posts constantly throughout the day. I’m just mobile so I don’t post nearly as much.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Idk what you're talking about
FB hasn’t threatened anyone, and maybes he’s gotten passionate about somethings, but he isn’t yelling.
And he isn’t an Admin either
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Bradshaw is not an admin
Just try to be friendly, make your point and respect everyone else’ opinions. That’s all we ask.
Off topic
When Ed reviews a specific talent I would much prefer insight as to why he would be a good/bad fit in your opinion. When Ed brings up Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays let’s talk about there qualities then. Finding out about the player and he weaknesses/strengths is the idea not debating if Reese should trade down or not.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 6:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Anyways
I think the Gmen should look to draft an OT. Just not in the first. Lots of defensive talent that I would prefer to stock up on in rounds 1 & 2.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We do not need OLinemen
Our offensive line was not the problem. Good thing you guys aren’t GM’s
Was Eli Manning The most Sacked QB? No where close
Decreased in rushing was Jacobs fault. Not the Lines fault.
Did you not watch our 2008 season or 2007 season can you not tell the difference between his rushing styles? or are you new to football?
Hmm
Don’t use hyperbolic statements as arguments because they muddy the discussion. Did I say that Manning was the most sacked QB? No. I said that there was an increase in sacks. Diehl can no longer play LT at a high level. It’s time to move him to Guard and to put Seubert on the bench. If the coaches believe that Beatty is ready to start at LT, then so be it. If they feel that he’s better at RT in place of McKenzie and they want to draft an LT, then so be it. All I know is that the O-line isn’t what it used to be.
As for the rushing numbers, don’t forget that LG Seubert, RT McKenzie, and FB Hedgecock were all injured. Even Jacobs battled through a knee injury the entire season. Injuries like that were a big reason why the rushing numbers were down. Blaming Jacobs for everything shows that you really didn’t follow the team.
Heres the link to his statement
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/10/14/2009-10-14_brandon_jacobs.html
Instead of him congratulating Bradshaw, he was basically say i can do it too.
“He can bounce around in those little creases and cracks and make a lot of big plays,” Jacobs said. “Do I have the ability to do that? Yes. (But) if I try to make plays like that, because I’m 265pounds I’m not supposed to be doing that. ‘Get up there. Hit into somebody.’ That’s what people want to see me do. If I don’t do it, I get criticized. If I do it, I get criticized. I can’t win.”
265 man sounding like a baby because he wants to preserve his body, Instead of doing what makes him different all of the other 31 starting running backs!
Jdaking or Jermaine
That was the same post as during the Pro Bowl thread
So again I will ask you the question
Whats your deal??
We all have a good time on here
Ed does a great job keeping the site up to date and interesting
why do you feel its your job to ruin it???
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I get what Brandon is saying though
When your playing hurt like he did being a battering ram is just going to make it worse.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Having depth on the Oline is extremely important
And we had some injuries this past season. We should target a Tackle in round 3 IMO.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
FreeBradshaw.
Why are you being so mean to me for. I haven’t done anything to anyone here.
Does anyone know a Giants blog website besides this one and bleacher report?
You should start one
That way you wont have to keep changing your screen name after you get banned
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
HUH?
what do you mean banned i have never been banned
It's all good
We just had a few people get banned for trolling. He’s messin with ya.
by wangstu13 on Feb 5, 2010 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
TERPS TERPS TERPS TERPS TERPS
here we goooooooo MAR-Y-LAND! clap clap
here we goooooooo MAR-Y-LAND! clap clap
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
The guy does look pretty beast in that photo
although the two knee braces are a big question mark. But I think he would be worth drafting, just for the chances whenever he pancakes someone to yell at the TV “This…is…my…BOOMSTICK!”
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 6, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions
Most O linemen
wear those braces as preventative measures.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
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