Osi: "I'm not going to be a back up"
Consider this the first direct challenge thrown at new Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell. It comes courtesy of, as we should have expected, Osi Umenyiora.
"I’m not going to be a back up player, I can promise you that," Umenyiora said. "I’ll stop playing football before I do that ever again. This has been just the worst offseason of my entire life. I can’t even think of a time when things were this bad during the offseason. You’re supposed to be relaxing, but I can’t relax because all I can think of is the things that took place last season, you understand? So for me it’s not something that I’m going to do. If I’m asked to come back there and do that then I’ll just stop playing football."
Umenyiora, of course, is coming off a tremendously rocky season which began with a one-day walkout after a dispute with former defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, and continued as he struggled to regain his form after missing all of 2008 following knee surgery. His play slipped so far, especially against the run, that he was replaced in the starting lineup by Mathias Kiwanuka for the final weeks of the season.
He was so frustrated, in fact, that he thought his time with the Giants was just about over.
"Did it go through my mind? Obviously, yes," he said. "Obviously you come through a situation where you’ve been here for a long time and you’ve won Super Bowls, you’ve been to the Pro Bowl a couple of times, then things like that start happening, you start being benched and they say you’re coming in on the third down rush, I think it almost seemed like the writing was on the wall at that particular time. I felt like I had worn out my welcome, because for certain people, no matter what happens, they’ll never take them out of the lineup, you understand what I mean?
"So I felt that way. I felt like maybe it was my last year because of that situation. But you never know man. I hope it’s not. I hope things can be rectified and things can be resolved. But we’ll see."
Here's my advice to Osi. Shut your mouth and play better football. If you want status your performance doesn't justify, you aren't needed. The Giants should just move on without you.
Here is the link to the full interview on WFAN. 'Kudos' to my pal Ernie Palladino for that.
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I thought we were done with this ME crap
With Shockey, Tiki, and to some extent, Burress gone from the team I’d hoped all the lockeroom turmoil was mostly gone. If he keeps up this attitude it will be the talk of the town all season. I hope they consider a draft day trade after this stupid comment.
Like Ed said, if you were taken down a notch then maybe you should look in the mirror and earn your spot back. Don’t blame coaches for your level of play.
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
Man
Umenyiora needs to shut his mouth and play…if he continues talking i say trade him and bring us better players/picks!!!
Agree 100%
Giants don’t need this “me, me. me” crap from a player who is not nearly as good as he thinks he is. I do believe I just jumped firmly into the “trade Osi for draft picks” camp.
Trade Osi seems to be approaching
close to total agrremnt on BBV. Guys like him, shock and Tiki create real problems for themselves and bigger ones for their teams.
I sincerely hope
it doesn’t come to that. Osi has been a terrific Giant, and a big part of the success over the past few years. But if he can’t see beyond himself and realize he earned the benching with bad play then that is a problem.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 3, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Now..
is he gonna work to get back into starting caliber…cuz maybe he doesn’t realize this, but there was a reason he was demoted last year.
Osi coming back with a vengeance could be something to reckon with.
Or, is this the final straw? This certainly doesn’t help his trade value.
This is the wrong way to go and spew this sort of crap too..maybe if he said “well..I know WHY I was demoted, cuz I stunk last year, but that’s never gonna happen again cuz I’m coming back with a vengeance this year”
Osi’s way is the wrong way.
Now..I for one, don’t take these media quote’s word for word. Any human would probably want to say a few words differently when they say something like this…but still, its the wrong way to say it Osi.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Don't athletes
Have agents for a reason? I mean when you pop off like this Osi, all your doing is hurting your possible suitors or potential income.
by wangstu13 on Feb 3, 2010 6:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good. Quit.
Giants save money against the cap (even though there won’t be one) and own his rights for two more years.
http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/
by New York Sports Jerk on Feb 3, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
He's only saying this....
….to make himself untradeable. He wants to stay! Yay!
(Did I convince you? Because I sure as hell didn’t convince myself. What a disaster.)
OMAHA!
OMAHA!
Sounds like
he may be trying to talk himself into a trade. Throwing down the gauntlet to a new coach is not smart, unless he is trying to manipulate a trade….probably just not smart. Wonder what Fewell is thinking right now?
i'm a little torn
Because I think he’s always been overrated. But…. it’s it usually takes two years to fully come back from an ACL injury. He could rebound next year.
“I’m not going to be a back up player, I can promise you that,”
Alright, that’s OK so far. I’m guessing the next sentence is going to be something like “I’m going to work my ass off to make sure that doesn’t happen.”
And then…
“I’ll stop playing football before I do that ever again.”
And he repeats himself…
So for me it’s not something that I’m going to do. If I’m asked to come back there and do that then I’ll just stop playing football."
Oh no.
I counted the number of time he said “I” or “I’m” – 10.
Number of “me’s” and “my’s” – 2
12 mentions of himself in 7 sentences – Impressive.
Even worse here for the Giants is that after comments like that, if there was a team out there willing to take on his contract and give up any kind of value whatsoever in a trade for Osi, there isn’t anymore.
Sounded Like
Osi was frustrated with how the season played out. He didn’t have a good year, but a lot of people didn’t have a good year, and he ended up on the bench while others didn’t. I’m not defending him, I think he deserved to get benched, but I can understand his frustration. Let the wounds heal and let him try to earn his spot back.
+1
I def understand where he’s coming from. Though he did come off sounding extremely selfish, I think you guys should put yourself in his shoes too and try to see where he’s coming from. Most of us are sitting in offices all day and yeah from here its easy to say “If I was him I would have said I’m gonna come back strong…” and all that, but he spoke out of frustration and he’s had tons of negative criticism. With that being said, he does need to look up the word “diplomatic” and study it before he talks his way off the team. He’ll come back strong next year and the D-line will def miss him if he’s gone.
Awaiting the draft :/
by I_Formation27 on Feb 3, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is disturbing
I agree with Free – if Osi was saying “man, I hated being benched. I’m gonna work my ass off so hard that will never happen again” I’d be pumped right now. That’s the attitude you want a football player to have.
This, however, makes him sound like a whiny quitter, which is exactly the opposite of how you want a football player to act. I have been a huge Osi fan for a long time, but this attitude is unacceptable. Hopefully he sits down with Fewell/Coughlin and gets his head straight, or else we trade him for some picks (or to move up and get McClain in the draft).
2009 Did Not Happen
Bye, Osi
You can’t let players dictate the terms of their service, unless perhaps they’re hall of famers with many good years left. It’s time to find out what they can get for Osi. That’ll clear some cap space to go get Seymour or someone to fill the DE rotation.Osi for a pcik, unpackaged. Cap space to sign a strong DE veteran.
Even if the Giants feel Osi was gonna go animal and compete in camp, they can’t let that happen because he’s punked them or whatever. Dump him to the AFC South, that way we don’t ahve to play him for 4 years… send him to Carolina for a pick and then steal Peppers!
So glad I stuck with the Strahan Jersey even knowing he was going to retire before it arrived…
You play to win the game!
We play the AFC South this year
other than that, I pretty much agree wholeheartedly.
I like osi, I don’t like his attitude.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I was thinking
of how we played the NFC South this year, then added “AFC” for extra distance!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
In 2010 we play em
I’m considering the current season “last season”, and well over.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Cant canty play DE
if we trade osi couldnt canty take his spot in his rotation…i mean he weighs 300lbs and is tall but he doesnt look like a DT at all
It's not that serious
This is Osi’s year to shine. If he fails under a second DC then people will dismiss him as a player. With no CBA, 2010 will be the final impression he gives teams because there might be a lockout in 2011. I expect him to take full advantage of the opportunity.
He’s had a bad stretch but he’s not a bad player. Even Kurt Warner had a bad stretch with the Giants before solidifying his HOF status in Arizona. I’m not worried.
by GhostDini on Feb 3, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree...there's more to the man then just one interview
obviously some take these interview more seriously then others…
I’m listening to the whole interview now…and Osi seems far from a “me” player. Not at all.
This is a dead issue, that should officially go in the coffin when Osi talks to Fewell.
I think we all need to go and listen to the interview before making rash “Osi is a me” player, conclusions.
He was just venting a bit…he was venting at the situation. He’s unsure about his situation. He was asked “Do you see yourself with the Giants next year”.
…anyone who said whatever about Osi…go click the link and listent to it.
While EVERYONE and their mother takes these couple words out of context…we’ll all know that its complete BS and Osi is not an issue.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I agree that after listening to it,
the words aren’t as inflammatory as they are taken out of context. On the other hand, there’s a troubling pattern with Osi that has exhibited itself on more than one occasion. This interview does nothing to diminish concerns raised by previous incidents. On the contrary, it heightens those concerns.
Fewell is going to have his hands full dealing with a D that seemed indifferent to winning, at least in the latter stages of last season. On top of everything else he has to figure out the best way to handle Osi, which could be to seek to trade him. I’m not so sure we could get a #1 for him, yet alone more than that, but if we could the the best course Jints might be to pull the trigger.
yeah,
it’s complete Bill Sheridan
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
This crap all started......
back when they extended Tuck. He was unhappy with his contract, and only after he had already gotten the fat signing bonus so that he could say “look at how little I’m getting per year?”.
Me thinks Mr. Umenyora’s reach is increasingly exceeding his grasp. He’d better get to work becoming the legend he thinks he is.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I also didn't like
Osi’s veiled comments that there are other ‘favored’ players and that he isn’t one of them. The Giants just do not need a guy who is about himself and is showing petty jealousy of other players.
As has been said by others
If you are the best at your position you will start every snap possible. If you are not the best he who is best will start. Simple as that…..no favortism can survive in the NFL.
by giant fan since 57 on Feb 3, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Especially since Tuck has been better than him...
…since the 2007 season.
Osi was a no-show in Green Bay and did basically nothing in the Super Bowl while Tuck was destroying Brady’s life.
That six-sack game against Winston Justice was a mirage.
http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/
by New York Sports Jerk on Feb 3, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
This is the real issue
It is clear that Osi doesn’t see the decision to bench him as being justified. That is why he is saying “I’m not doing that again” – meaning, not putting himself into a situation where he is “unfairly” dropped to backup status. The fact that anyone with a basic understanding of the game could see his underperformance and yet he hasn’t linked that to a justifed benching can only mean that the coaching staff failed to be clear and consistent in what their expectations are, and what the consequences are, for all players. This is may be a more serious problem than one player – if players start to think that favoritism plays a big role in who plays or what scheme gets run, then it starts to get very hard to keep everyone’s head down, focused on doing whatever they are asked to do to the best of their ability.
Not that I am eager to help the Giants fix their problems – but I am a bit surprised that everyone on this board puts it down to the player, rather than looking at the motivational environment that your coaching staff creates. I certainly don’t think that we (or any other staff) has it all worked out, but I am amazed by our coaching staff’s ability to keep former all-Pros like Trotter motivated enough to contribute, even in ‘lowly’ special teams roles. I think as long as Coughlin is your head coach, the rest of us in the NFC East won’t have to worry that much about the Giants really coming together again as a team anytime soon.
by PrincetonGreen on Feb 5, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see this as favortism....
Osi simply didn’t play well enough to justify his being in on every play.
by giant fan since 57 on Feb 5, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
ack. typing fail
didn’t Jacobs say he’d quit if his YPC was under 4 at the beginning of the year?
by Jsz on Feb 3, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
again
agree. stop taking what “jocks” say as gospel. they aren’t all as majestic behind the mic as D. Jete, there bound to say some dumb shit from time to time. let what he does next season and training camp dictate what you think about him and his time with the giants. if he doesn’t rebound then, well then its sayonara osi.
and lets not forget, in a “horrible” off a big injury season, he still led the team in tackles, fumbles recovered, and had a helluva lot more pressures and hits than you think.
Osi + Fewell
will work it out and hopefully he’ll be back as a starter next season. He deserves one more shot.
by Air It Out 10to88 on Feb 3, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions
Osi
Will put up good numbers this year. He has something to prove. He is a former pro bowler and if we trade him I want multiple picks or a first rounder.
by wangstu13 on Feb 3, 2010 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's not that bad
when he is saying
Nobody want’s to go from being a successful starter to a backup.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 3, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions
Anyone see the NFL network pieces on their Road to the Superbowl
They would show this during the pregame stuff throughout the season. Anyway, Osi was one of the players they featured each week. At one point early in the season he mentioned how depressed he was during the 2008 season when he couldn’t play. I think with the stuff going on now, he has some minor mental health issues. Not saying that in a bad way, but if he was bummed that he missed a season because of injury, being demoted, and having the demotion mentioned during every game, must really be bugging him.
Hey Valentine lay off Osi!
He isn’t a “me” player he’s a guy that cares about this team and how he fits in it. He was drafted as a project and worked his tail off to play at the highest level in the NFL. He has EARNED the right to speak his mind. Osi is no where near the “me” player that Shockey, Tiki or Michael Strahan who Osi outplayed in the 2007 playoffs but “Mehan” did all the talking and got all the hype for sacking Brady one time so he could do his muscle flex pose.
Its hard to take this crap when Osi has been a team guy then got injured and people expect him to return from that injury like a beast when clearly there will be decline in play but there was no decline in effort! You don’t hear Offensive Linemen calling out Osi for taking plays off like T. Owens now do you? There must be balance to this “shut up and play” fan cliche that gets tossed at every player that speaks his mind.
He hasn't earned the right
To get to play full-time without actually doing anything on the field. I will say this again. He THINKS he is a great player. And he WAS a great player — back in 2005. He has not been one since. No one gets a free pass because they USED TO BE great. Osi needs to realize he did not play well in 2009. Period. End of story. He needs to shut up, quit whining, get in the gym, hit the weights, get angry and kick some butt in 2010. If he can’t stop complaining and saying “I’m Osi Umenyiora, you can’t bench me” then it is time for the Giants to move on.
He isn’t Strahan. He isn’t Reggie White. He isn’t Julius Peppers. He isn’t DeMarcus Ware. He isn’t Dwight Freeney. He has a lot to prove.
"He needs to shut up, quit whining, get in the gym, hit the weights, get angry and kick some butt in 2010"
Is this real world football or Remember the Titans? Rocky 3 maybe? Osi lead the team in sacks from ‘04-’07 so I guess nobody has really been great at sacking the QB since his ’05 campaign. Osi got a total of 7 starts to prove himself after returning from MAJOR knee surgery before he got benched. The man deserves a better chance than that and every human being on this planet has the freedom to speak about anything they damn well please.
Funny you mention Julius Peppers who is “me” to the nth degree!!!!
Ed, I have to disagree with you
Long time reader, first time poster.
“Here’s my advice to Osi. Shut your mouth and play better football. If you want status your performance doesn’t justify, you aren’t needed. The Giants should just move on without you.”
He was a key kog in the superbowl run. Last year he had surgery. This year, none of the rushers had a good year. the blame was put on the DC, Sheridan, I believe you were leading the boos Ed. Now which performance are you referring to? This year should not count, because ALL the D sucked, or you want to single out Osi?
When told he is a 3rd down specialist, he kept his mouth shut and was a good soldier. I understand his frustration during an interview in the OFF season. It shows he has passion.
Let’s give the guy a chance, I think he deserves it. Now if he does not produce next year, I may be leading the charge to trade him.
The key to that is 'was'
In 2009, he was terrible — especially against the run. He still seems to think he is the 2005 Osi, and I truly wish he was. And I hope he can be again. But, he needs to stop talking and start playing.
I am not singling out Osi. I simply want him to look in the mirror and realize he didn’t play like a star and that he was part of the problem.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 3, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
For those here who jumped on me a few weeks ago for suggesting ...
that Osi was always “yapping to the media”, this is exactly what I was talking about. It usually falls into one of two categories:
1) “I’m not the reason we stink”
2) “I need a new contract” (which is what this one is about, as he and his agent probably think a trade will force new team to “lock him up”)
F*#k Osi. Let him sit and not get paid.
It does start with "me"
If Osi is saying that he is not willing to put up with being a back-up, and that he is going to work hard and ensure that he is playing well enough to be a starter then I have no problem with it being about him, because that is taking responsibility. If he means that other people need to sort things out so that he can be a started then he is asking others to take responsibility for that, which is not okay in my book. So here’s the thing Osi – it is all about you, you making the effort, you proving that you are back to your best, you making a positive contribution, you earning the millions we pay you, you making us proud of you and the Giants (something that has been difficult this season). If you can do that then we are sweet and I (for one) would be delighted. It is about you taking responsibility and acting like a senior player.
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works everytime.
By the way ... great post Ed
This is the first ‘meaty’ thing we have had for a week or so. I am already getting a bit over-cooked with the Draft … it’s going to be a long off season. At least Osi and I agree on that.
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works everytime.
Listen to the interview ya'll.....
Ed..I know you were just relaying the link to the article, so its not you…but this is a joke.
An absolute joke…Osi is NOT the “Me” player that quote makes him out to be…not even the slightest.
To everyone blowing this out of proportion…listen to the interview.
Sorry to dead this…cuz it almost seemed as if it was something to sink your teeth into..but its more like cotton candy, this aught to just melt away.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I hope you are right
I hope this does blow over, that it is blown out of proportion. There is one thing I want to hear from Osi at some point. I want to hear him acknowledge that he was part of the problem with the 2009 defense, that he did not play up to the standards he has set for himself.
Pass-rushing DEs are not easy to find, and I don’t want to just throw the guy away. All I really want is some humility, and for the guy to recognize that he needs to play better to EARN being on the field full time.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 3, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Osi did speak well
And honestly in the interview. I am still waiting to hear him take some personal responsibility, though, and say something like “I know I did not play as well as I can.” That’s all I want to hear.
And the tone wasn't bad at all ...
but he should have said something like “I’m going to show them that I’m still a starter in this league”, and never say something like “I’d just stop playing football” while implying that he should be a starter, but the team just sees it differently.
Unfortunately, I think it’s going to be a no-win with Osi, as if he doesn’t earn a starting spot, he’ll bitch about it, and if he does he’ll bitch about his contract. He’s signed for the next 3 years, and was bitching about that contract back in early ‘08. Don’t know who his agent is, but I’m speculating here that they think he gets paid sooner if he’s traded. I seriously feel the contract is at the root of this
Better seen than heard can apply to a man too.
Osi has not mastered dealing with the media and never will. Didn’t he refuse to speak with the media at all during his first couple of years in the league? He also needs to “feel the love” and felt like a lesser man than 92 and now everyone loves Tuck. He’s got some issues but can still play ball.
I sure picked up a lot from a distance..ha ha.
Mike Francesa thinks Osi is worth a 1st round pick
I think Osi will have a big year next year and for that, I want to keep him. However, when a caller proposed a trade to Mike Francesa today that sent Osi to Tampa and Michael Clayton and a 2nd rounder to NYG, Mike said that Osi is worth more than that. His premise is that pass rushers come at a premium and a borderline elite pass rusher is expensive. Set aside the lunacy of the Giants trading for Clayton, the bigger point is that Osi – even after two bad seasons – can still be traded for a 1st round pick. At least, this was according to Francesa.
I have to agree with him. If Gaines Adams (RIP) could be traded for a 2nd round pick, then Osi is worth at least a late 1st. Like I said, I want to keep Osi. It’s one thing to give up on Warner and see him perform well in AZ when you have a #1 pick QB in the stable. It’s another thing to give up on Osi and see him perform well somewhere else when you’d have no replacements for him. And no, Kiwi doesn’t replace a healthy/motivated Osi. Nonetheless, I’d listen to offers if a team wanted to give up their 1st pick.
LOL! at Clayton....
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Man, who wouldve seen this coming a few years ago?
Though, Im afraid to admit his best years are probably gone
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Time to trade this knucklehead
Trade Osi and lets sign Peppers.
I was a big osi supporter
But after he says all these selfish comments, I’m jumping on the trade osi bandwagon. Even the osi for Kerry rhoads trade sounds perfect now. If this continues he needs to be shipped out
by bigblueguru on Feb 3, 2010 9:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t understand why Osi think he is so high and mighty. He’s not that good of a player. He cannot stop the run to save his life (or his job) and his pass rushing skills been going down hill. Hell, ignore the “Winston Justice game” and Osi has a whopping 14 sacks in three seasons.
As an Eagles fan…I say, keep him.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Kurt Warner: HOF Class of 2015
we keep Osi..
you get rid of McNabb.
How about a 3 team deal? Giants send Osi to Seattle, Eagles send McNabb to Seattle…picks come back to the Eggs and GIants.
…don’t know what Seattle’s gonna say about this..but they just signed Pete friggin Carroll as their HC, mastermind of the NY Jets and NE Pats so long ago. They’re idiots.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 3, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
**we trade Osi...
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 3, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Whenever you trade for a draft pick
you have to consider what you have vs what you might get. As we all know great prospects sometimes turn into big busts. Say what you want about Osi but it might be that with a little coaching from the new staff and full recovery from his previous injury he might just prove his worth again. Also, and I don’t know this to be a fact, but I’ll bet that there are a lot of things said by players that just never get printed or repeated that would be considered selfish or self serving.
In the end it comes down to this….if he plays up to his prior caliber and nobody beats him out he will play. If he can’t he won’t. It’s as simple as that. All those great plays from earlier years won’t affect the outcome of this year’s games.
by giant fan since 57 on Feb 4, 2010 6:14 AM EST reply actions
So you're saying Osi
Is a known unknown, whereas a draft pick is an unknown unknown?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Not really envying the Giants on this one...
THe dude needs to put up or shut up. He had a really bad year last year
I'd rather be an Eagles fan till the day i die and go 0-16 every year than be a cockroach cowboys fan
Trade Him
Its that simple. We didn’t need this with Shockey or Plax – we survived the loss of both, we will survive the loss of OSI.
Dump him and pick up what we can to provide a player who will NOT be sitting on the bench in a rotation.
Honestly, I never expected it would come to this with OSI. I am surprised by his attitude.
did they really survive the loss of Plax?
since he went down they’re 10-12. With him last year, that was a Super Bowl team.
2009 Did Not Happen
maybe he means they're still alive
anyway, I like the logic of dumping a backup 3rd-down pass rusher for a starter… Plus, I’m still all about replacing Osi with a top-flite pass-rushing DE and bringing Kiwi back to his natural place in the rotation. Trade Osi for pick(s), sign a good DE with the cap space, and add to our draft
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
2008-2009
without Plax we’re 12-12.
you’re forgetting the seattle and cardinals game.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I don't really count those though
I think the psychological effect of not having him for a game vs. not having him, period is a bit different.
Obviously the young receivers stepped up in a big way this year and the offense wasn’t the problem, but there’s no way the Eagles win both of those games last year if Plax was playing – he owned the Eagles more than any other team. Get past the Eagles and I have to believe, playing the Cardinals outdoors, the Giants roll to the Super Bowl pretty easily.
2009 Did Not Happen
Definitely
we beat the cards without plax already.
But you can’t discount those entirely
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
and the Giants won the SB without Tiki Barber...
could a 1700 yd rusher helped them in 2007? I think so.
Its just a coincidence that they are .500 sans Plax. Cuz they were 11-1 in 2008 in spite of him anyway…Plaxico did dick in 2008.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 4, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Does Plax play D?
After watching our D this year AND the emergence of Smith, Nicks et al, you think that being 10-12 is more related to the loss of Plaxico than anything?
Not me. Good Riddance. Our offense is completely productive enough when NOT put in a 21-0 hole in the first quarter.
Plax can kiss my butt, just like Osi and Shockey. I won’t shed a tear for any of them. Funny, I don’t see any of this “Me” crap on the Colts.
I didn't say it was only because of Plaxico
but the Giants haven’t been the same team since he got hurt. I think the record is indisputable evidence of that.
I think some of it was a team-wide loss of confidence. They went from knowing they were the best team in the NFL to having to deal with Plax, and I think that wore on them.
2009 Did Not Happen
Its just coincidence...
Plaxico didn’t have much to do with the success in 2008 (he did in 2007 and before that).
Its more of #92 being retired catching up with them, also Osi being out for 2008. That’s 2 DE’s who however you wanna rate them, they are above average (to say the least) DE’s that weren’t there for depth at the end of 2008.
For 2009, again, no Strahan and Osi wasn’t 100% as with other factors.
I don’t have many doubts they’d take a dump record wise even with Plax too. He didn’t do all that much in 2008.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
I don't think it was entirely coincidence
yea, the defense got worse down the stretch, but so did the offense, which had no receiving weapons. Plax was having a down year for Plax, but he was still the best receiver on the Giants and he commanded respect from opposing defenses. It wasn’t like this year where the Giants were getting blown out – they lost a few close games that Plax really could have made a difference in (or at least opened up the field for other receivers to make a difference.)
And, like I said, I think it really affected the confidence level of the whole team, O & D. Pierce wasn’t the same after the incident, and everything about the Giants just went flat.
2009 Did Not Happen
I honestly believe our current passing attack
is better than having Plaxico back even if he was playing well. When you have one dominamt receiver and he gets hurt, has a slump or the opposing defenses figure out a way to stop him you have fewer options for compensating.
I do agree though that the publicity caused a letdown on the whole team.
by giant fan since 57 on Feb 5, 2010 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
yea, this season definitely
but last year? That offense was built around having a dominant run game and Plaxico Burress. I’ll give Gilbride a lot of credit for coming back this year with a totally reconfigured offensive game plan, b/c he certainly couldn’t adjust mid-season last year, basically trying to turn Hixon into Plax.
2009 Did Not Happen
Nothing without Strahan....
It was always evident to me, that OSi’s success came off the fact that Strahan had 3 guys on him every game. OSi was about the same size as Stray, maybe a little smaller. But Strahan had amazing leverage, and thus was a Stud against the run. Osi, is just a 245 lb, pass rusher, who can be run right over. He’s a nice pass rusher, and a great athlete. But take out that 7 sack game against a weak rookie in Winston Justice, and his stats are a lot less gaudy.
Also, remember in the preseason after Strahan retired, Osi depserately wanted a new contract, becuase he and his agent knew he would not be nearly the same player without Strahan. The Giants were smart not to give him the big deal he wanted. Justin Tuck is a FAR superior player, who is tough as nails and a great athlete. Anyway, now OSI is mad about being benched, sounds very similar to Lavar Arrington’s complaints, and we all know who that turned out.
"NY Sports Jerk".. That is really F’in funny what you said about Al Davis (2/3 1:49 PST), so true.
a 1st Rounder for OSI
Would be a no-brainer trade - I’d love to see us move up a few spots and pick up real stud like Rolando McClain and still have another shot in the first round
Cmon Osi
I love Osi but Tuck has said he doesnt have to start and kiwi has put his talent in the back seat for osi so why doesnt he feel he needs to do what the team thinks is best….he needs to stop it in 07 Tuck did not start once and still outplayed him and shoyuldve been the mvp of the super bowl so this dude needs to watch and learn.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
He is talking about the way he feels
I can’t get worked up about this, nor do I categorize this with Shockey’s nonsense. His interview is very plain jane, matter of fact, at no time does he sound irritated or angry.
If they deal him it is OK with me, if he stays it is OK too. Other than Eli, who on this team can’t be traded?
calm down yall
lets b for real fellas, u can not expect sum1 who has done so much for a team to not speak his mind after gettin benched. osi came back with the same injury peyton and brady had and we all saw how their play wuz win the came back. it wuznt the same for some time. now the differnce is that osi uses his leg strenght more the both tom and peyton. and he still lead the team n sacks I believe. yea it wuz only 7 but imagine if he didnt have that injury. osi is still a beast and other teams no that. u wouldnt trade d-ware, merriman, jared allen cuz the had a bad year. now i do understand that we have 3 goog pass rushers and its like, wut the hell do we do wit all of them. if anything we prolly wood trade osi bcuz we wanna get kiwi to do wut we drafted him for. but who new tuck wuz gunna turn out so gud. i say keep them all cuz if i remember, tuck had 10 sacks as a back up. i say we start tuck and osi and continue to do wut we do wit kiwi. osi gone get back at it and all yall gone bite ya words.
its ok 2 be outspoken but it does matter what you say.
my name is osi this is what i should have said . “are D sucked, i sucked. im gonna train harder, learn how to stop the run better. heal completely and come back with vengeance.”
just a question...
Isn’t it harder to write sum1, instead of just typing it out? I mean I have to think about doing that.
same with b instead of be.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I'm just asking
It seems hard to me
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
How about this
The Eagles give you guys a 5th-7th rounder for Osi, and then he comes and plays for us next year and takes his frustation about your organizaiton out on Eli Manning by sacking him 6 times a game.
That would be pretty nice.
How aboooout.........?
The Eagles 1st, Desean Jackson and Trent Cole?
And I think the Giants are getting HOSED in that deal too….so I may have to include a conditional 2011 1st and 2nd based on performances and snaps.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
hahaha...
well played….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 5, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions

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