New York Giants Notes: Pro Bowl Leftovers, Some Former Players in the News
by cjmulrain on Feb 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST
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A few items of interest this week concerning current and ex-Giants alike.
Turns out that retirement by QB coach Chris Palmer wasn't much of a retirement after all. He has taken on the head coaching position of the New York Sentinels in the one-year old UFL. That's now half of the league's head coaching spots filled by former Giants coaches.
For all the talk about how meaningless the Pro Bowl is, you wouldn't know it by talking to David Diehl, who got the most out of his first Pro Bowl experience.
Also from the Pro Bowl comes a good piece from the Miami Herald about Steve Smith and Clay Matthews of the Packers, players who have familiar names but bright futures.
Vinny DiTrani names the "Almost-Pro" team of the best players not to make the Pro Bowl, and Eli Manning is his QB. I'll be honest, this team would definitely give the actual Pro Bowl teams a real game, what with the absence of the Super Bowl players.
Michael Strahan is the only Giants player named to the NFL's All-Decade team. I think you could definitely make a case that Tiki Barber belongs over Jamal Lewis or Shaun Alexander, but both of those guys had one elite year that jumps out at you, which Tiki didn't have. Either way, I'm just glad the NFL didn't try to be cute like Peter King and leave Strahan off.
Speaking of Tiki Barber, he's got some advice/criticism for Adrian Peterson. I think we all know what this means: the Vikings are going to win the Super Bowl next year.
Continuing our former Giants theme, Bill Cowher recently interviewed Plaxico Burress in jail, who vowed that he would play again. Cowher, who once again denied interest in Tom Coughlin's job, believes that Burress was being sincere in his answers. How long until Cowher/Plaxico/Giants rumors start up?
Finally, our old friend Jeremy Shockey is in Miami preparing to play in the Super Bowl, but I'm sure you already knew that. Here's two articles about Shock, one discussing his desire to actually play this time around, and the other arguing that he sabotaged his own Giants legacy after Super Bowl XLII.
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Shockey Doesn't Pay
From a Deadspin article on Strip Clubs And The Athletes Who Love Them.
Do athletes generally expect to get comped?
Not all of them, but some of them do. Like Jeremy Shockey, when he was on the Giants. I’ve known Jeremy a long time. Back when I was at another club, he used to come in with Tony Siragusa, who I love to death. Tony was one of my go-to guys in the NFL. I had a few of them. After he retired, he’d always bring in a lot of athletes. And every time he’d come in with Jeremy, Jeremy would be like, “Okay, I want VIP in the champagne area, I want this, I want that.” I would tell him the prices, and I would ask for his credit card, and he’d say, “I don’t pay. I’ll go somewhere else, they won’t charge me.” Which I know is a joke, because if he goes to another club, they’re gonna charge him. All clubs charge.
So if at the end of the night, a player gets handed a bill…
They’ll pay. Somebody ends up paying. I mean, we have to pay our rent. They understand that. We’ll do what we can to make them comfortable and have a great time, we’ll buy them dinner, something like that. But the only one who would ever be up in my face, like, “I’ll go to another club, they won’t charge me” and start throwing names around was Shockey.
/headshake
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Snee's Line
About not wanting to be the guy to make Diehl miss a play was quality material…
Lets not call what Ian O'Connor wrote an article
It was an editorial. a lambasting, an opinionized column. not an article. nothing wrong with that, that’s his opinion. but article, it was not.
i would disagree Ed that Tiki didn’t have that one standout season that Jamal Lewis and Shaun Alexander did. Jamal had that one 2000 yard season, but Tiki had an 1800 yard season, so it’s not like he was off by a long shot. and that year he was 20 yards from being the rushing yards leader, and that was only because Shaun made sure that Holmgren left him in to win it, even when the game was in hand. True he had 27 TD’s that season, but tiki had the better season overall. as a matter fact, he had the better 3 season stretch, racking up a combined 2000 yard season in each. neither of the other backs even came close to that, in one season. so if you ask me, who belongs on the all decade team, a man who had one 2000 yard rushing season, a man who scored 27 TDs in one season, or a man who put up 1800 yards rushing in one season, and having three back to back 2000 total yard seasons, well, i think we know the answer there…..
some more fodder for Tiki being all decade
here’s a quick breakdown of what each player did during the last decade. keep in mind when you look at these numbers that Tiki has been retired since ‘06, while the other 2 played to some degree all the way through. Jamal Lewis missed one season, but that was his own fault due to the thug in him coming out. Anyway, here are the numbers for each in TOTAL yards(rushing, recept, kick and punt return) and TD’s:
Tiki
Total yds – 14,144
TDs – 58
Lewis
Total yds – 12,486
TDs – 62
Alexander
Total yds – 10,973
TDs – 112
the numbers show that while Alexander has the commanding lead on TD’s, Tiki has the commanding lead on total yards. and to me that total yards number is very important for what i want from my running back. because when you can gain 1800 yards on the ground, and another 600 in the air, that gives the defense something else to worry about. that means that there aren’t just 3 capable sets of hands out there, there are 4. and i can damn well guarantee you that teams were more worried about tiki in the flat then they were jamal or shaun. not to mention his ability to return kicks and punts, and the fact that when it all comes down to it, the only one of these 3 backs that a true argument for the hall of fame can be made for is Tiki, then i think it’s a no brainer that #21 should have def. replaced one of these 2 on the all decade team.
k, i’m hopping off my soap box now….;)
All true
Tiki probably needed one more elite year to be on the NFL radar of all time greats. One reason Lewis might have made it instead of Tiki is the Head to Head Super Bowl Performance. I would compare Tiki’s career to Phil Simms career. Phil will always be considered a great Giant but the league will put guys like Aikman over him becuse the won more championships even though Phil’s stats are better than Aikman’s
by Late for Dinner on Feb 3, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dre,
an opinion article is an article. It’s not a news report. news articles, sports articles, opinion articles.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
No sir
gonna disagree there S-Mc…journalism was my major in college and we were taught anything with bias or opinion is considered an op-ed piece, which differs from a news article in that it’s based on the opinion of the author of the piece, with loose facts thrown in to sway the public in said opinion.
Articles of Giantfederation
ar⋅ti⋅cle /ˈɑrtɪkəl/ [ahr-ti-kuhl]
–noun
1. a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
so you see
he could write that Shockey is the Delta region’s biggest meth supplier and a closeted gay, and it would still be an article, albeit a libelous one.
I’m currently trying to escape the journalism industry myself. As far as what you were taught, it’s common practice to refer to an opinion article as a “piece” because of the overinflated ego of the writer, as if it were a sculpture or something. But in your usage, piece and “article” are actually interchangeable. You could say a “news piece” or an “opinion article.”
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
i see where you're coming from
if i had to define the 2 however, i would seperate them as an editorial sneaks in under the guise of being news, or even factual. fact of the matter is, i’d question whether you can really call some of these op-eds as “non fiction.” sometimes a fantasy world is drawn based loosely upon fact.
but anyway, i hear ya bobbi, back to football….
an editorial
is actually a position piece which represents the view of the institution that publishes it. it differs from an op-ed, which is solely the view of the writer. In any case, that Shockey piece and many others on a wide variety of topics don’t do well to distinguish themselves for readers, and that’s part of the problem with opinion, generally, in America today. People take what they hear from Rush, or Olbermann, and they think they’ve been read a logical litany of facts.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!!...Damn your funny!!..Some of you guys make my ribs ache!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
okay,
king of all balls jokes
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
i wasnt aware...
that shockey was “denied” permission to stand on the sideline during the superbowl cuz of his broken leg.. i always assumed he was sitting in the box cuz it was his choice… if the giants really did deny his request to stand on the feild with his team i can def see that being the icing on the cake for the shockster.
i remember getting the superbowl yearbook and noticing shockey was no where to be found in the enitre book. i thought that was odd the day i got it and just shows that the organization and the man parted ways looong before it actually happened. I miss shockey, i miss plax, F Tiki.
Give me work release or give me death - #17
No, no, no!
Ralph Vacchiano dispelled a couple of the Shockey myths a few months ago.
Myth #1: Shockey was the only one denied permission to stand on the sideline.
FALSE: ALL of the injured players were denied permission to stand on the sideline. That was the Giants policy. Some of them snuck down anyway and were not removed.
Myth #2: The Giants would not pay for Shockey to go to the Super Bowl and he had to pay his own way.
FALSE: The Giants paid for all of the injured players to go to the Super Bowl but the tickets / flights were all from the NY Area. You know, where the Giants are from. Shockey said no and wanted a ticket from Miami to which the team said no.
Shockey has generated all of this negativity himself. He was the sole cause for his divorce from the team. He is the cause for all of it. Him and his immaturity. If he was a grown up and had a brain he would still be a Giant.
Great post blains
this has been documented several times good work brining it up. I always liked Shockey until I read about this stuff.
Thanks for the clarification
i always thought shockey was a total douche but i loved him.. was def for the better for him to go. the BOSSMAN is here now and i like it
Give me work release or give me death - #17
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
good points blains but....
i’d not assume that he is the SOLE cause of it. we were not there behind closed doors, so to assume that Shockey had no grips whatsoever, is not responsible.
Good point
You are right. It’s usually not only one side’s fault when things like this happen. I’m sure both sides have their share of blame. And we don’t know what happened behind closed doors for the most part. I was really just trying to refute some of the things that Shockey had put out there to paint the Giants organization negatively that weren’t true.
I do think, however the Giants were willing to try and salvage the relationship because othewise I think they would have traded him at the draft. But that’s only my opinion.
Very accurate post blains..Shockey was a jerk as a Giant and continues to be a jerk for the Saints..
And I’ll never forgive him for hitting that little kid in the face with ice..He was on the bench with a gatorade getting a little chiding from the fans and flipped his cup of ice and hit a little kid right in the face.. it was on TV that was when I confirmed to myself that he was and is a self-serving scumbag..He is not to be considered a Giant, and he ain’t getting a ring because Peyton Manning is going to rip the Saints apart..Their defense sucks..He’ll post up 400+ yards on those boobs..Sorry Drew Brees..Your about to witness a real QB at work.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
hate list:
1. Shockey. The guy’s own ego & mental deficiencies played him out of NY
2. Plaxico: The guy’s own stupidity played him out of NY
3. Tiki. He retired here and gave a great career. Just some shit-talk after to “distinguish himself” as a broadcaster, just like Stupid Rodney harrison tried to trash talk belichick in his first big spot…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hate list
1. Tiki. what a POS.
Retard list:
1. Plax.. god what an idiot.. still love and miss him tho.. a great Giant
A-Hole list:
1. Shockey – loved the way he played, but yea.. total a-ahole
2. tiki – i really dont like the man.. and what a TERRIBLE broadcaster
Give me work release or give me death - #17
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
On Plax..
Plax literally shooting himself has just torn me apart. How can a guy with so much talent just throw it away? I really believe that had plax not shot himself, we would have won the Superbowl that year.
Long term I think we’re better off without plax, but there is no doubt that despite diminished statistics, Plax kept the team balanced.
Due to this, I have nothing but undying hatred for plax ruining a very special thing.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Don't blame the Giants for Shockey being to immature for NY
Look who really knows why Shockey left, I doubt it was because the Giants wanted to protect their investment in him and did not want him to get hurt on the sidelines because he could not get out of the way with a full cast on his leg.,. Maybe Shockey got mad because they only had domestic Brew in the box and he is an import guy.
The only reason he is not on the Giants is because Shockey wanted out, everybody wanted him back even Eli, Shockey got mad because he was not on the field and the Giants proved they could win without him, to much for his ego. Anyway the guy is more of an NFL name now than an actual pro bowl Tight End. I think we got the best years out of him anyway… Praying Big Brother Payton spanks the Saints and Shockey goes home with no championship that would be great!
by Late for Dinner on Feb 3, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
O'Connor article is a little spiteful
I get why people think Shockey is a bit of an arrogant dick. For a few years his positive contributions outweighed his disruptive behaviour, but only for a few years. I really don’t get how some people cannot let it go. Shockey is a part of Giants history, not the future. I think O’Connor’s piece on Shockey sabotaging his Giant’s legacy is churlish and adds nothing except a few details that I (for one) could not care any less about. Shockey played for the Giants once, he doesn’t now, end of story.
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works everytime.
by Johannus on Feb 3, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
O'connor
Really doesn’t like Shockey at all. I have read a few negative articles about Shockey from him.
Adrian Peterson
Tiki actually makes some good points about AP. Maybe if he wouldn’t have coughed the ball up against NO they WOULD be in the SB (but I know there were 1,000,000 other factors, incl that terrible Farve pick).
Awaiting the draft :/
yeah, uh
38 turnovers in an overtime game will pretty much do that. I swear, stupidass Brett favre literally threw that game away by not taking the free 5 yards and a field goal!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Your exactly right Favre should have ran it..they would have won maybe..but remember,
He was playing hurt..He still has a rocket arm and decided to use it..Favre didn’t lose that game..the offensive line did.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Agree
but as hurt as he was, he was able to scramble out of the pocket, and after watching the replay, he could’ve prob ran ball to the 32 yard line to set up a FG. I like those odds better than throwing across his body into tripple coverage. But Farve will be Farve I guess.
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 4, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
and thank god for that
(NFC championship game)
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 4, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
When I see it again, there wasn't a whole lot of room
maybe pick up 2 or 3 yards, nothing extremely gamebreaking. That interception though, there was nothing. I don’t know what he was throwing at.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
all those fumbles didn’t help either
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 4, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Tikki Barber
Wow, I hadn’t thought about it but you’re absolutely right. I would pick him over both Jamaal Lewis or Shaun Alexander.
Tiki compared to Shaun and Jamal
These numbers are from Pro Football Reference.com
Jamal Lewis (2000-2009)
10,607 rush yds 58 TDs
1879 rec yds 4 Tds
Total – 12486 yds 62 TDs
Shaun Alexander (2000-2008)
9453 rush yds 100 TDs
1520 rec yds 12 TDs
Total 10973 yds 112 TDs
Tiki (2000-2006)
7852 rush yds 52 TDs
3927 rec yds 6 TDs
Total – 11779 yds 58 TDs
Tiki has more yardage than Alexander in seven years compared nine. And slighty less than Lewis who played the entire decade. It doesn’t include any punt/kick-off return yardage which favors Tiki although it was mostly in the early part of his career. However I must say that Alexander scored a whole lot more TDs than either Lewis or Tiki.
Nice post
The TD’s kill Tiki a bit. Thats a big stat espcially for RB’s and Tiki never had a season with a ton of TD’s so his carrerr total is relatively low but I think he makes up for it in what he did in the passing game. He was a GREAT rb out of the backfield outside Marshal Faulk maybe the best in his era.
TD's weren't entirely his fault though
they had Dayne and then Jacobs who they gave all the goal line carries to. Had Tiki been the primary goal line back (which he probably should have been, at least over Dayne) he would have had a lot more TD’s than he had. I don’t really think it’s fair to hold that against him. It would be like if a fast baseball player played for a manager who never let him steal – it’s not that he can’t steal, it’s just that he’s not given the chance to.
2009 Did Not Happen
I agree 100%
I used to go nuts when they put Dayne in short yardage. Tiki hit the hole so much harder and faster while Dayne just lumbered. That always bugged the crap out of me with the Giants when TIki was there, everybody said they could run shortyardage but they never gave their best back a chance to do it, they always put in the obvious substitution of a biger slower back. Marcus Allen, Ladaian Tomlenson, Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Marshal Fualk, I could go on but none of them were exceptionaly big but were good around the goal line I don’t understand why the Giants under Fassel and TC assume you need a 240 lb + RB to score in short yardage. Joe Morris was smaller than Tiki and scored 21 TD’s in 85 and 14 in 86.
Check your numbers John W.
your off on your tiki total….he had 9,514 rushing yards since 2000. combine that with the 3,927 receiving yards and he’s still the overall yards leader with 13,441. and that’s not adding in his kick/punt returns.
scroll up, i did the same breakdown earlier. tiki clearly belongs on the all decade team.
You're right
I left off one year.
You’re right it only goes to reinforce the fact that Tiki should have been considered as one of the backs.
Tiki is another jerk..bullshit artist..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Tiki had an elite year in 2005
Shaun Alexander was just slightly better in 05 (TD record) and if not for that Tiki might have won the MVP. Tiki, like most Giants offensive players that are great players, always seem to get overshadowed and are underrated.
I’m not sure what the record is and I don’t have time to look it up now but Tiki holds some record in regards to total yards from scrimage that only Marcus Allen and Marshal Faulk, two HOFers, have achieved.
I’m not sure but if Thurman Thomas is in the HOF but if he is Tiki should be in too.
I had trouble phrasing that
when I said elite year, I meant “record-breaking” or “statistical milestone” type year. Alexander set the (then) single season TD record & Jamal Lewis was one of 5 (at the time) 2,000 yard rushers, and still has the second highest single season yardage in NFL History. Tiki, while probably the best all-around threat of the decade not named Marshall Faulk, didn’t have any single notable thing like that to hang his hat on.
2009 Did Not Happen
Thurman Thomas
Is in the HOF. He was inducted in 2007. He played 13 yrs, his numbers are
12074 rush yards 65 TDs
4458 rec yds 23 TDs
Tiki played for ten years and his career totals are
10449 rush yds 55 TDs
5183 rec yds 12 TDs
Comparable numbers except for the TDs.
Tiki's Hall of Fame case is going to be very interesting
he was one of the elite players in the league for about 5 years (3 if you really want to hold the fumbling against him) and certainly has numbers worthy of the HOF. He only went to one Super Bowl, which his team lost, though for running backs that’s not as big a deal as it is for QB’s. But, what’s really going to hurt him is that a) he was a little under-appreciated up until his last two years around the league and b) the success the Giants had the year after he retired, especially b/c of the way he talked about his former teammates and the way they seemed to rally against him. In a way, he’s a bit like Don Mattingly, except Mattingly wasn’t a complete douche in 1996.
2009 Did Not Happen
Tiki’s team didn’t go to the SB 4 years in a row though.
How successful your team is is very important for HoF votes.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 3, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just think the Giants drafted
Ron Dayne instead of Shaun Alexander in the 2000 draft. I think Jamal Lewis and Thomas Jones came out of that draft too but were off the board when the Giants picked. I remember screaming for Alexander but in typical Giants fashion they go with the big back from the big ten who was a big bust.
I was right there with ya...
its a reason why I think many don’t want a RB in the first, cuz it seems history says the Giants will screw it up (thankfully..there’s no big plodding RB’s from the Big 10 slated to go in round one this year…)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
i was never a huge Alexander fan
i think he was more of a product of the system and his line. that said, i woulda loved to have seen him and tiki in the same backfield.
well Alexander does look like he'd make Tiki and Ronde triplets instead of twins....
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
But he was a machine in 2005
I remember watching with interest and dread as the Seattle results would come through that year … who is Alexander going to destroy this week? 28 TDs in 16 games. It was wonderful.
They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works everytime.
Tiki
This is a bit off topic, but I hate seeing Tiki interviews after games, theyre too awkward. And does anyone else think Tiki gets too close to players when he’s interviewing them??? He looks like he’s about to kiss them half the time. He’ll be in the middle of an empty field after a game, and he’s 5 inches away from the player, with just the mic between them…weird. Anyways he’s an A-hole F him.
15 is a good number
Anyhow, here is a SB recipe for you guys..Buffalo Shrimp..
1/3 Cup of canola oil
4 cloves of garlic (use the diced garlic that comes in a jar…saves alot of work)
1/4 Cup of White Vinegar
Salt and Ground Pepper
1 LB of Jumbo Shrimp..remove the shells but leave the tails on
About 10 ounces of Franks Red hot pepper sauce
1 stick of butter
Get a bowl and whisk the garlic, oil and vinegar..Season with the salt and pepper..add the shrimp and toss them around to coat them well..then put them in the fridge for a half-hour.
While the Shrimp are in the fridge marinating melt the butter in a saucepan and add the pepper sauce just to a simmer.
Then fire up the grill and cook the shrimp for about two minutes on each side..Toss the shrimp into the Pepper sauce and butter mix and make sure you toss them around to coat them…They are ready to eat.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Recipe is compliments of "Chef-boy-r-Dolson"..that's me..and don't forget the beer...
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I figured since I can't come up with the ultimate problem solving draft pick..
I’d give ya’’ll a good f-ing recipe…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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