Osi Umenyiora and Jerry Reese chat: How it might have sounded
Mike Garafolo reported Friday that unhappy defensive end Osi Umenyiora recently had a sit-down with New York Giants General Manager Jerry Reese.
From comments made by Umenyiora's agent about the meeting, MG surmised that "Umenyiora isn’t yet satisfied with what he’s heard from the team."
You know, I wish I could have been the proverbial 'fly on the wall' for that conversation. But, at 6-foot-21/2, 210 pounds stealth is not exactly a strong suit. So, I will have to settle for imagining how that conversation went.
After JR and Osi exchange pleasantries, Osi begins the conversation:
Umenyiora: You know I said the other day I would retire if I didn't start in 2010. Well ... I ain't retiring because I do like getting paid. But, I ain't coming off the bench, either.
Reese: Glad to hear it, Osi. We really, really want you to come to camp and earn that starting job.
Umenyiora: EARN IT!! Earn it! What are you talking about, Jerry? I'm OSI UMENYIORA! I am a two-time Pro Bowler. I am one of the best defensive ends in the game! Earn it? I already have earned it!
Reese: Calm down, Osi. We know who you are, and we know what you have done in your career. Fact is, though, it isn't 2005 any more. We are heading into 2010, and you really did not play up to your own standards last season.
Umenyiora: Whatcha talkin' about, Jerry? I led this team in sacks with seven! I forced four fumbles!
Reese: That's just it, Osi. Seven sacks, that's all. The first time in your career you have not reached double digits when you have played a full season.
Umenyiora: Dammit, Jerry, I am still a force! I am OSI UMENYIORA! One of the best defensive ends in the game. Look at the film, man! It isn't gonna lie to you. You'll see. I am still OSI UMENYIORA!
Reese: I have looked at the film, Osi. I don't see what you see. I see a guy who cheats upfield to try and get to the quarterback and abandons his run responsibility. And who isn't physical enough any more when he does try to play the run.
Umenyiora: WHAT? And I thought you knew talent, Jerry. Besides, run, schmun! What are you bugging me about that for? My job is to collect sacks. Those other 10 guys can play the run. I get paid to hit the quarterback.
Reese: Well, Osi, not every play is a pass. You can't just take the play off when the offense decides to run the ball.
Umenyiora: I can't believe you are talking to ME like this, Jerry. Can't friggin' believe it. I have to leave now before I get mad and go all Shockey on you. You know, Spags won't talk to me like this.
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Uh oh...
I can hear some branches breaking…usually that means something’s falling.
Just don’t get fleeced in the trade JR.
Master of the squeegee
Mike Garafolo tweet
Asked if he’s guaranteed Osi he’ll be a starter, Coughlin said, “I don’t know how you do that. … Go earn it.”
You had to know
that is where the Giants will stand on this. And if Osi wants it handed to him, he can do that in St. Louis or Oakland or Carolina.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
+1
For the “Go earn it”
What? If you’re the pro-bowl pass rusher that we once knew, you’ll be turnstiling every LT they put against you in camp and it won’t be an issue. On the other hand, Kiwi was the best front 4 player we had last year (Tuck get a pass on the shoulder). He was consistent, healthy, disruptive. He may not have had the numbers, but I know I saw 94 around the ball an awful lot. It’s a good problem to have, but Osi feels like being a bitch about it, so I dunno. All 3 will get roughly the same # snaps per game, so who gives a f?!
So, um, how about Osi and our 1 for your 1, Spags?
See that is a problem though
Osi (like strahan and maybe tuck) prefer to be on the field all the time so they could set up the tackle just the way they like it to be able to get pressure on him when you need it for 3rd and long.
If all our DE’s are rotating all the time then they cannot do that and it makes all of them play worse than they can.
I think that we might have to trade either kiwanuka or umenyiora to make our team better.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 27, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Not buying that
‘Set up the tackle’ stuff. If you make plays, you play more. If you don’t, you watch more. Simple as that.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 28, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I just dont understand how players can be satisfied.
If i go to my job and do not work up to standard, i cant bring up my performance from 3 yrs ago as an excuse. Osi I used to think U were the man, but ur acting like TO.
I dont care why you play this game, whether for money, fame, women I dont care. JUST SHOW UP ON THE FIELD!!!!! or leave.
This is funny
but funny in the sad way b/c i actually believe it would sound like this.. to a lesser degree. lol.
Man
In every Osi interview he says the word “man” at least 15 times.
"Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty."
by Mother Tucker on Feb 26, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I am tired of hearing about trading Osi.............
If we were to trade him for nothing less than a 1st rounder. And if that were to happen we would all of the sudden have a gaping hole at DE. which we would have to use that pick on. Is there a legitimate player out there that could come in and do Osi’s job? And I keep hearing that his injury takes a couple of years to come back from……well here it is the back end of the “couple years”. Give the guy a chance………….I think he’s earned it.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions
i am pretty sure
that guy’s name is Mathias Kiwanuka and he has done just that. He could be starting on a handful of other teams. I am still in favor of keeping Osi though, and least giving him a shot to prove he still has it in training camp
Its not that we dont value him
We all know we wouldnt have a superbowl without Osi, but I just think his attitude is not detrimental to the team. He sounds like the winning aspect of football is not a priority. I wouldnt care if he got 7 sacks if we won 12 games again. Winning is the most important thing. But when our team does not win, coaches and management resort the diagnostic portion of the machine. Figuring out why, and a high paid DE getting 7 sacks is questioned. Thats how the business is.
It's not about 'value'
It’s about the guy wanting to be ‘guaranteed’ a starting spot. Fact is, Kiwanuka played better in 2009, and if you ask me today Kiwanuka should be the starter until Osi takes the job back. If Osi wants to whine and insist the Giants hand him a job because of his name, then the heck with him.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Kiwaunuka, Matthias.
We got a replacement…we’d need to figure out who rotates in at the caliber of Kiwi tho.
I’d rather keep Osi…but I’d rather be rid of das headache.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, we would still need someone to rotate.........
you need all the DE’s you can get. Osi will return to form. If he was crying about money I would say yeah he’s a whiner but hes not. He ants to strt, he wants to be out there. He is a competitor, I respect a guy like that.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well..that’s the thing. He’s not openly saying “MONEY!!”, but the root of this all has got to be that, he wants to start so he gets starters money when he’s a FA in the next few.
The thing is..do we have a 3rd DE? Tollefson was 2nd round tendered, I doubt anyone’s giving up that for him, so he’s back.
Whatever they trade Osi for, this draft is quite stocked with Osi styled DE’s, so they could get one.
Would they BE Osi? Dunno…Its not completely out of the question tho. The Giants actually were better in 2008 sans Osi, so maybe more PT for Tolly is a good idea? Someone who shuts up and doesn’t care about playing time.
Osi wants to start…but you gotta earn that. Coming off an IR 2008 and a mediocre 2009…he hasn’t earned that.
Football is a fickle sport and no matter what reason for phasing you out…can happen, no matter how “ethical” it is.
Osi’s not going about this the right way, thinking he’s this big superstar that its just his right as a NYG to start after all he’s done is basically an All-Pro 2005 and an Eagles game in 2007.
He can be replaced. We really…don’t friggin need him either.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Listen these guys are NFL'ers and they come standard with big time egos
Do I agree with how he is going about it by complaining through the media?…….no. He should of saved it for a closed door meeting. As far as his intentions, we really cannot speculate that it is ALL for money. Even though it probably is the majority of the reason but in the end he is a very good player that plays a very crucial position. To say that we dont NEED him i totally disagree. Would you feel ok with Tollefson as our 3rd DE? Uhh not me. Im sorry but Osi is the man and he will prove it in 2010.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
You must have missed 2008 when they didn’t have Osi…and had more sacks and a better overall D then 2007 or of course 2009.
I’d rather see him stay…but to think they actually need Osi Umenyiora? uhhh..no.
They need a rotational DE…someone who shuts their mouth and does their job.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
This is the first time he has ever opened his mouth like this.
Dont turn him into T.O. Thats totally not fair Bradshaw.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
First time? He’s no TO…no. But you don’t have to do it in the media to be a thorn in the side of the team.
He did this in training camp to..and basically all offseason, he’s done nothing buy say “he wants to start and will do nothing but start”, which is the wrong way to go about this.
He doesn’t deserve to start cuz he didn’t earn anything. What he’s done in 2007 is irrelevant. He didn’t play well in 2009.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Training camp? He didnt start talking like this till he was he was put in only on
pass rushing downs towards the end of the year. Granted he had his differences with Sheridan early on and left practice one day but immediately apologized for it the next day. thats it.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
If you believe that’s all that was…then I don’t know what to tell you.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Giants led the league in sacks with 53 in 07 they only got 32 in 08. A better overall D? I think not.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I missed the sacks.
But overall, they were 5th in 2008 and middle of the pack in 2007 (I think 17th) that I know.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Alot of that ranking had to do with them getting absolutely blown out
the first 2 games of the year in 07’. Bottom line is they are a bettr tam with a healthy Osi than without.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Depending on where the coaches see him,
this could maybe be the role of Clint Sintim. It was apparent at the end of last year that he did not have the mental wherewithal to uproot Danny Clark from the SLB position. We know he is a more than adequate pass rusher and a great athlete, perhaps he could serve as the Osi of last year and come in on 3rds with Tuck and Kiwi starting?
Sintim is a LB not a DE. I dont know if he could handle the job with of putting his hand in the ground
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Sintim is a pass rusher. He’s 6"2 255lbs…tho he looks as big as Kiwi (who’s 6"5 265lbs).
He wasn’t a LB in college…he was a 3-4 OLB who rushed the passer and was quite good at it.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know he was a pass rusher but from the OLB position which could mean he could line up at the DE spot
Could he do it? maybe. But my point is that he is a LB not a DE. Jus like Kiwi is a DE not a LB
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
He lined up with his hand on the ground some too.
Its what an Al Groh defense does. 3-4, but the OLB’s can line up with their hand on the ground.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
We may have to address Ed from now on as...
Eddy the Cable Guy..This is funny, yet probably a true as you will get guess at an exchange between JR and Osi Ozborne…Some of you guys bust my ribs with laughter…and I never saw a 210 pound fly on any wall I was ever inside of !! ..Shit I’d would skip spraying ‘Raid’ and look for a damn bazooka !!…haha
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Eddy The Cable Guy?
I have seen the Cable Guy movie, and I’m not sure that’s a compliment there, Bobbi. LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well it was meant to be a compliment Ed..LOL!!..Cut your sleeves off when you warm up..up there!!haha
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
We have to hope Osi returns to his old form.
Kiwi is a alright, but lets not make him and his career high 8 sacks out to be pro bowl caliber. He had 3 sacks last year. He isnt a guy that is going to draw double teams away from Tuck at all. He is a “nice” player". And it’s not like he is great against the run, just better than Osi was.
Actually…Kiwi’s one of the best DE’s in the NFL as far as against the run..he was top 10 in # of stops (tied for 7th…Osi was 48th in the NFL).
3 sacks…OK. But he was near the top as far as hitting the QB. Yes..its a second late, but its acutally more so cuz the other players weren’t doing their job.
Osi doesn’t get double teams either…doesn’t stop the run, and basically flies up field with his head chopped off.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Osi has most certainly been double teamed b4. Just not last year. Bottom line here is
Osi is not going anywhere. He is and will remain a Giant
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions
Not if he
keeps running his mouth. If he doesn’t want to come out, compete and let his play do the talking the Giants will move him. They won’t keep him if he feels “entitled” and will cause problems.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
He may not seemingly be making a stink like Shockey, but Osi’s most valuable right now.
Its not open and shut that he stays. If he really feels that he’s entitled to a starting spot…well, F em…he’s not.
Trade him before it gets out of hand…tho I hope it doesn.t
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Listen I agree, if he keeps this up in the media and through his agent
it HAS to be addressed. JR had enough dealing with Shockey and his tolerance level must not be too high and yes this is a right now league and you need to earn your job every year. But Osi is not the player we saw last year….at least im hoping he’s not. All im saying is he has earned the benefit of the doubt but your right,…..he needs to shut up and play football.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Bottom line is this...
Kiwi is a step down from Osi at his best (which he wasnt last year HOPEFULLY due to injury). And Tollefson as the 3rd DE is HUGE step down from Kiwi. And I dont care what numbers you want to use, Kiwi got gashed against the run to. He played in that Carolina game and they ran at him. Lets not use revisionist history to make a point.
The fact the defense was better in 2008 has nothing to do with Kiwi being a starter and Osi being out. It was mainly Spags beeing in charge of the D in 2008. Secondly the defnese was better because KP was healthy and Butler was still here. Now we have trash for safeties.
LOL! this is actually funny Ed
What’s even funnier is the fact that most ppl so far seem to think that that was the real convo. Way to get them riled up again ed! Lol! Its gonna be a long off season, gotta give us something to do.
by wilddre22 on Feb 26, 2010 4:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm sure you guys talked about this before..
but I’m fairly new to this site. Does anyone think Osi looked physically smaller this past year compared to years past? I understand he has never been a big DE but I just feel he looked different(and not just the new facemask!)
I Am Tobikan Judan
I expected better Ed
I know you don’t like Umenyiora but this article is just bad
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 26, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions
Just having some fun, mclaren
Can’t write serious, straight stuff all the time.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you re-read this it will put a smile on your face..can't be serious all of the time, bud
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Renault_is_the_best
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 27, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Y'all are funny!
You act like this conversation actually happened. Osi is not Shockey. Yeah, he mouthed off and that’s just not the way we do it in East Rutherford, but he is far from stepping on his own dick.
Reese and Osi, more than likely, had a civil conversation. I’m sure he’s even a little worried that his outburst affected his standing with management. Here’s my version(sorry, Ed, your starting to look a little like a hater):
Osi: Jerry, I’m sure that my comments to the media have you a little concerned and I am here to make sure that we are on the same page.
JR: You have to know that I’m a bit disappointed. You are, I’m sure, aware that nobody gets handed a starting job without earning it.
Osi: Yeah, but I already earned it and have been the starter for some time, now. Last year felt like a kick in the face. I was made into a scapegoat.
JR: That’s not how it was, Osi, you have to believe that. We were bleeding yards against the run when you were on the field and the largest amount of gains were made to your side of the line. The coaches have to make decisions that help us win games, regardless of players’ feelings. Do you believe that you performed better than the stats and film show?
Osi: I’m a pass rusher. I’m paid to get sacks.
JR: You’re paid to help us win. The team always comes first and you weren’t getting the results we needed to win games. Mathias had better numbers against the run, so the decision was made.
Osi: So what you’re saying is that I lost the starting job to Kiwi?
JR: No, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that we expect you to bring your level of play back up to the point where it was before the knee injury. We have alot of faith that you can do it and, if that happens, I believe you can move right back into the starting position.
We expect Kiwi to make it hard on you and that suits us just fine to have that level of competition driving you both to improve to levels that will return us to the glory days of the Superbowl year. Isn’t that the main goal of every one of us?
Osi: It is, but I can’t even imagine ever feeling as bad as I did last year. I’ve been a starter for too long to take a spot on the bench.
JR: I think that gives you every possible bit of motivation to play your best season ever. I believe in you. Tom believes in you. Your teamates believe in you. Now, don’t let them down and let’s stop talking to the media. We handle things in house here and are accountable to eachother, including me
.
Osi: In that case….
JR: There’ll be none of that.
Osi: Just kidding.
JR: I know. Is there anything else we need to hash out here? Are we on the same page now?
Osi: I’ve got the message.
JR: Good, I’m glad we could come to an understanding. Don’t let me down.
Osi: I have no intentions of doing so, but keep that checkbook warm for after I kill it this season.
JR: I will expect a call from your agent. Do me a favor and make it an easy decision..
Osi: I’ll do everything humanly possible and then some. I am, after all, Cheif Osi.
JR: Yeah, yeah. Ha, ha. get back to work.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Wow...
some people act like they think that people think this convo happened.
Master of the squeegee
Haha..this is funny as heck..damn..That Ed can be a humorous sly fox when he wants to be!!..haha
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
no sunlion...
Bashing a player once they get on the bad side of these fans will never go out of style. just ask Shockey!
It's just classless, that's all. At least in this situation. He ain't no Benedict Barber.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
You know whats amazing w/ the whole tiki thing?
I mean besides talking a tiny bit of trash about Eli at the beginning of 07’…..(jus cuz he was trying to make a name for himself as a media personality which I do not agree with…just for the record) he hasnt done anything too wrong. But certain people and fans wanna bash tiki and call him a traitor. Do some of you guys forget how much heart and soul he gave the giants for more than a decade? How many games did he leave it all on the line while noone else was? When we had a putrid offense which he totally carried game after game? How many games did he singlehandedly win for the Giants? I can remember sooooo many games where I walked away saying…“thank god for Tiki.” Even a hated rival named Brian Dawkins in Tiki’s last game called Tiki a “true warrior” Tiki’s not a traitor. He was a GREAT Giant and i get pissed hearing ridiculous statements like Benedict Barber. I will always wear my Barber jersey with pride.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
MG said he got that “Osi isn’t satisfied on what he’s heard from the team”.
That’s the actual thing thing here. That’s BS, and Osi deserves to be bashed for that pile of crap.
Not satisfied? How so? That they didnt’t guarantee a starting spot?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Sun..honestly I think Osi will be fine this year..What he did was simply
Show frustration and we all jumped all over him for not taking responsibility..Now we have to give him a bit of a break to re-gain confidence in his knee which I am sure he will this year…but he does have to learn how to read running plays and stop them…and I think he will..but we also kind of jumped on him for ‘talking the walk’..Whereas JT flat out stated he felt he didn’t feel like a leader because he was hurt and couldn’t feel comfortable playing a leadership role..So both of those guys have alot to learn about what a leader is..and for two distinctley different reasons..Osi needs to own up to his weaknesses and fix them, while Tuck needs to realize that if your playing with basically one shoulder week in and week out then your a damn good leader and an inspiration to the other players.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
+1
Osi doesn’t strike me as a leader. Tuck is a different guy. Complete integrity. Osi, the player, will show up this year. Tuck, the leader, will, hopefully, emerge.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Yes it is imperative that Tuck (which I hope will) or somebody emerge as the leader
On defense..that is why they had so many problems after AP got hurt..and he was distracted a good portion of last year by the Burress incident..So in essence they really had no leader and everything sort of fell apart..of course there were other problems..Harry Carson was a leader, if you ever met that man you’d never think it..I equate his personality to ‘Clark Kent’ offield and ‘Superman’ on it..If he didn’t throw a tirade at halftime in the ‘86 game against the Vikings we would not have won the prize. Parcells stated in his ’86 book that came out after they won the SB that he never said a word to the defense at halftime..Carson took over..He busted up a chair and chastised the defense..Now if you ever met and talked to Harry…to read about him go off like that was rare at the most important time..He went into the nearby phone-booth during that game and the team never lost a game, including that one for the rest of the year…You need guys like that..We have Eli emerging as the leader of the offense..but we need a leader on defense..I’m hoping it will be Tuck.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
The Giants actually tendered Sinorice Moss? Can anyone explain this one to me?
Uhh im speechless right now…….
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 26, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions
Moss doesn’t get a dime if he doesn’t make the team.
Giants get compensation if he goes somewhere else.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 26, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
Doesn’t mean he gets a roster spot. Just means they get a draft pick if someone signs him as an RFA.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
the past is the past
If Ladanian Tomlinson can get cut, if Brian Westbrook can get cut. Why should Osi feel entitled to anything. Careers are short in the NotForLong
Bascially two choices..
are apparent. Keep Osi or keep Kiwi. At this point, we will not be able to keep both. Kiwi wants to start and was upset he was coming off the bench. He gets the starting nod and Osi is upset. If Osi is given/earns the job, Kiwi will take Osi’s current torch as wanting out. There is no alternative at this point, one of them will have to go for turmoil’s sake.
Personally, Osi is getting on my damn nerve. It’s hard to respect someone giving an ultimatum about being viewed a certain way without the same desire to earn it. Perhaps he feels that way but if so, there is a poor job of communicating it. I, personally, don’t think that’s the case. The dude is a legend in his own mind and I prefer the steadiness of Kiwi. People forget Kiwi is not a ’tweener. He is a DE that was forced to undergo an experiment moving to WLB and only moved back out of injury necessity. He is a hand on the ground DE and he has the talent to succeed there.
In this draft, Osi wants to walk, I say go and be someone else’s headache. This is nothing more than an extension of him calling the wahhmbulance over the contract he wanted in the offseason after the SB. This is when the team should be rallying over an extremely disappointing season and here we have this me, me, I’m the man crap. Shut up and color, Osi. For real.
I agree..........way out of proportion.
The guy made ONE statement….these guys are talking like he grew horns and is Satan himself…..guys need to relax a bit.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 27, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
If he made one statement..OK.
….this isn’t one statement.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 27, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
let me once again remind you guys
Osi didn’t say anything. Ed Valentine did.
by wilddre22 on Feb 27, 2010 10:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
really?
Oh my GOd!
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 27, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions

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